I'm getting bored just sitting around waiting for work. I'm going to head out to the Home Depot parking lot looking for work.

We don't have any lawns here yet.

Agreed. It feels like if you aren't a scientist or engineer, your role in this game is limited. Based on EF's last post, that seems to be the direction this is going in. If I had known my role would be so restricted, I wouldn't have signed up and wouldn't be investing as much time in this.

Chill out. There's going to be plenty more to think about. It's not like I suddenly have a mass of options available to me. I get to ask people what they think we should be researching and then get to PM Eagle about it. But hey, I think this post makes it unlikely that you're the saboteur so that's a plus. Or you're a very cunning one.

There are vanilla villagers in every WW game. Stick with it, things can change quickly in these games.

I'll post all this without looking at the actual facts to start with.

My theory is that
a) The saboteur at the start would try to avoid the spotlight. I can't see them making a strong case for themselves to be a leader. They might put themselves forward but wouldn't want to push it too hard.
b) They would probably be reticent about offering up information about themselves until they had a handle on what information other people had been given.
c) I doubt they would claim to be top tier in any skill, even if they are, as that would put them at risk of being committed to a task which might impede their nefarious business. But I think that one is a bit more of an assumption.
d) Similarly I doubt the sabotuer would push hard to to be put on any project as that would be likely to impede their chances of skullduggery.
e) Almost certainly isn't Chief, unless there's already been a conversion and he got himself beaten up to gain trust. Not something I put past Chief to be honest. Under these circumstances I can see Chief being a convertee but not the original saboteur.

So now I get to wade through swathes, nay, savannahs of Crimson's nonsense to see who matches with what.

a) Autumn, Grover, Zinto, Shoveler, timmae, thomkal, Chief, fonti, Saldana, Dangarion
b) Autumn, Grover, Zinto, Shoveler, timmae, thomkal, fonti, Raven
c) I've gone off this idea because the list was too damn long.
d) Ntndeacon (offered to work on Schmidty), Grover (offered to build Biodome), Narc (kinda pushed to be on Science project), GE (wanted in on science project).

Gives
3) The Jackal
4) britrock88
5) Suicane75
12) JAG
17) Danny
21) SharkN20
22) CrimsonFox

Drop Danny for meta-reason and that's a pretty decent little list. Given the weakness of D I think you could probably add NTN, GE and myself to the list.

Obviously that list is very subjective but it helps focus me so there. :p

I think it's important to differentiate between people's legitimate personal goals and the stowaway's goals. People may well have goals that might not be in the best interests of the entire community but they still want the community to survive. I'm presuming that the stowaway doesn't want the community to survive. So somebody sabotaging the commuications isn't any sort of indication that they are the stowaway that's an action that is probably conduicive to a personal goal. The person killing Schmidty on the other hand probably is the stowaway or aligned with the stowaway.

So I don't find, for example, DanGarion's wish to become leader but reticience about his background as particularly indicative of him being the stowaway (quite the opposite in fact). It doesn't mean I always expect to act solely for the benefit of the colony at all times but I don't expect him to try and destroy it.

Regarding Chief and Danny I would say that it is vital that the primary work is put in on Chief. He is one of our best medics so we need him fit and ready to help mend others. Danny brought his condition on himself to some extent so I think he will have to wait.

The increase in injuries makes me wonder if we should try to rush the medical center through (even if that didn't work with government yesterday). But I am concerned that the lack of supplies is going to start really hurting all of us if we drag it out more days. Unless there's clear signs that the Biodome is going to alleviate that problem during the day then I think we have to concentrate on supplies.

Do we three vote on that in thread or do we PM you privately?

What do people think we should be researching?

My feeling is that medical won't help much until we have a medical center. As we don't know what advantages the biodome provides it's difficult to know how much we need agricultural improvements. Ditto offensive research when we don't know who/what we want to attack. Or defend against for that matter. But if we get some weapons sorted (attack research) then we could feel more confident about sending people out to explore the crashsite or the other ship. But if whoever it is knows about us then having defence is going to keep us all safe.

I guess it depends on how long the research will take to reap any benefits. If its going to take days then it might be worthwhile researching medical stuff.

Sorry, in thread with the leader pm'ing me their final decision.

Research will yield in one day, unless their is something that causes it to be delayed.

Narc, while I get your list is preliminary above, I think it's s decent place to begin.

For completing the government building today, I would consider going with the people that successfully completed the biodome earlier (I think it was myself and two engineers).

We don't have an option to gather supplies today, only explore or build/fix. With medical personnel down to 2.5, I think now is the time to get that building up.

Research is tough as they're all tempting to me. Again I might prioritize medical in hopes we can give more help to the medical staff. Defense might be a good option also as it could indirectly help the doctors while potentially allowing us to protect our facilities as well. Agricultural I'm guessing might give a health bonus to all when completed. For exploration, with all the ominous messages we've been getting, prior to exploring it would be handy to have something there.

Engineering design stuff looks pretty cool too. I think an improved generator would be a good place to start as we'll probably need extra capacity to make use of the places the researchers determine.

It's still early. We started prioritizing research and need engineers to start the colony building process, and people getting hurt requires our doctors. When we start exploring and when the government building is up, there are likely going to be more roles for those with social / physical backgrounds.

I actually missed that before. :) My autocorrect is a mess, that won't be the only one, and I don't even know what I wanted to say. I had to fix my above post from 'nerd engineers' to 'need engineers'.

right the first time

I'd like to know what everyone thinks our engineering project should be.

Under my experience is better to build a strong defence first! So it would be my vote Boss :)

Is hard to hurt somebody with awful physical strength man :)

I have already stated that. I am simply the best that this group has to offer at science and research. I should be in the research center.

Can we vote to change the leader at some point?

But why did you want to be an engineer first?

I find it interesting that you've essentially claimed to be the best at both.

Golden.... I think your hesitancy to provide your back story hurt you a bit... it's not to say that you won't earn that trust but it affected the outcome.

This will help sort through things... I assume Font will provide additional details on the contents. We should track this as an open item until we know more...

Raven, while you don't have a lead role at this point there are any number of items you can help assist with. Narc's list of "suspects" is a great example. Pick a task, thought, or set of variables and have fun with them. These items need some overview in my mind;

List of open items
List of colonists and which tasks they are on
List of ongoing "incidents" and who was affected
Etc.

Looking for everyone's input on these items. My initial thoughts:

Offensive - Not needed yet. We don't even have our colony in order much less going up against someone else's colony. Could be a long term value if we start now but with so many other things happening is it worth it.

Defensive - This could be worthwhile. If the other landing party is a threat they could come after us.

EF, can you verify the size of the ship compared to us?

Medical - With Chief being injured this could be a huge time save for anyone who is injured. I also suspect that those of us that are weaker than the others will be affected by health issues more than the others. This could be good or bad depending what side of the fence you are on.

Agricultural - This would help food production but how much of a need is there with the biodome up and running? We'll see soon. This could be a quick 1 day turnaround if we need to improve food rations. Less of a priority in my mind.

Please discuss. Looking for others' thoughts on this.

So our next engineering project... looking for feedback.

Choices:
Improve Communications - I am for this, but I think we need to fix communications before this becomes an option. That's why my choice for next job is to fix communications. We need an uplink with Earth again.

Improved Generator - Better power supply, could be very useful since we have more and more systems going.

Improved Science Center - Another good option, but do we need to upgrade right away?

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Some other thoughts: We need to keep Chief alive to see if he has any idea who may have done this to him. It could provide a clue to the stowaway or Schmidty's killer.

Engineering thoughts...

Communications could be key... knowledge of what we are up against, what can be done, any surrounding events, etc from earth. Also colonists history and possible feedback on stowaway. This is my #1 choice.

Generator - Could be good but not a need item at this point.

Science Center - I would love this to happen but again not a need item at this point.

timmae - as far as your research projects go, I think defense should be the top priority. We need to protect ourselves before we go out on the offensive and leave the base vulnerable.


this is starting to feel like X-Com. I like that.

I would like to start with the defensive, man.

I highly suggest DEFENSE.

Are we starting to spread the troops thin? Between the landing craft, biodome, research center, treating injuries, guarding solar collectors (are we doing this??) and other stuff (death being the ultimate drain) I am very confused/concerned about labor resources. Can someone track this as we are going? Is this a concern for the group? I am most paranoid about voting for action items that will further drain the staff we have available.

We have three guys in the research center, I know that.

I know myself, Jackal and saldana helped BUILD the Biodome, but are we effectively still working in it? Is anybody working it?

The build may be over... do we have to staff it then? I assume so.. unless you engineers developed a robot to handle our tasks (get started if not!), lol..

Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD?) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type"
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GREAT)computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes
Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (AWFUL) worked in ER
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes.
thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety
shoveler - Private investigator
JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training
Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), pHYSICAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD) city planner
Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), SOCIAL (BAD)
Schmidty

Staffing:
Research Center - Timmae, Narcizo, SharkN20
Biodome - Need to staff?
Doctors (treating others) -
Government Building construction - Need 3 resources to complete for Day 4 benefit
Medical Facility Construction (if approved Action) - Build crew
Medical (need to be treated) - Chief Rum (serious, no action), Danny (critical, no action)

I guess I should remove schmidty. Poor guy...

Do we need to promote a new primary doctor until Chief gets better?

Feel like EF would tell us when it needs to be staffed

FYI I never mentioned any sort of secret project. All I was saying that I am the best at the combination of science and engineering. That is why I should have been appointed primary engineer and why should have without a doubt been sent to the research center.

This master list is complete reliant on what people say their skills are. Some could be completely making it up to better server their purpose. I realize this is a pot meet kettle situation, but I have the background as a computer programmer.

I explained this. This is mars. We need science through engineering to determine what works best on a planet that we have no clue what we are doing on.

So you could be a Microsoft employee or an amateur hacker.

I don't want to get to deep into my background. I already feel like I have made myself target. We all have our reasons for going to Mars. I don't see anyone else divulging that information.

GE, while I understand the answer and your position just be aware that the answer in and of itself may dictate certain precautions by the group. I do applaud you for being honest about what you can provide rather than making up a tall tale.

Which makes it seem like you have something to hide.

Yes, I'm sure all of us have something to hide, but you've been so incredibly sparse with what you do that you make yourself that much more suspicious. That may be why anybody (or Font) is hesitant to put you on an important job.

I'd definitely lean towards defense for research

As far as the engineering task goes, I'd think a generator would be pretty useful. I do wonder if focusing on communications would give people the ability to PM, or perhaps would potentially open up EF to share more info in terms of messages from earth or overhearing communications or some such.

Agreed. Though in terms of communications, I'm wondering would it be wiser to repair our broken down communications before attempting to enhance what we can't use.

Also, Jackal, would you be willing to work on the generators project if that's the direction I choose for us to go in?

Improved generator, that is. I think the upgraded science center would be a luxury this early when we've still got communications to worry about as well as supporting vital life functions and structures via the generator.

That's a fair thought - would suck to choose that as the improvement and then have it not work if the communications aren't repaired first.

Yes

To me, while I do think communications are important, we're working with more of a known impact for medical (keeping us alive, relevant to the health stat, could allow medical personnel to choose focuses). With communications we expect there to be benefits for completing a project but we don't really know what they'd be.

Grover is your communications option to fix them when you upgrade them?

We probably need to get our medical facility up and running because it seems more and more of us are going to face some unfortunate "accidents" going forward.

With Danny being MIA we probably need to pour our medical resources into Chief Rum and try to get him better.

I concur, but even when we did that to schmidty we lost him to a murderer. So he needs to be protected if that is possible.

I have not received any information that would lead me to believe that is the case.

We should try to group three people onto Chief. I see the options for doctor looking something like this:

1. Autumn, NTN and another person work on Chief or Danny while letting the other be healed by less accomplished doctors
2. We split up Autumn and NTN and send two others on Danny or Chief

Well unless you want to let Danny die he will need someone proficient on him, he was the one in critical condition.

I would agree that we should put more medical resources on CR however, given that danny is MIA.

Accidentally hit post on that one :(

3. We put Autumn and NTN on Danny or Chief and leave the other hurt
4. We put Autumn and NTN on Danny or Chief and put a couple of less accomplished doctors on the other

I am leaning towards option one and putting two other people on Danny to try and keep him from critical condition.

Good point. I didn't look back at their health situations. I still think we need to put most of our resources on CR.

Not sure if anyone has time, but would be interesting to look at the people who were constructing D0, D1, and D2. D0 and D2, we got within three units of putting the building together, D1, we managed to complete the full building in a day. Could be lots of reasons for it, but it might give us insight as to who we should place on building stuff if possible.

Hypothetically the job distribution could look something like:

Finish the government building: Britrock, JAG, Suicane
Help Chief: Autumn, NTN
Help Danny: Zinto, Font, ?
Do the task we decide for the day: The remaining people

Well, if Danny doesn't show up, I assume he's going to be killed off and it's moot. If he does, then yeah, that might be an idea Zinto. Do we have anyone else with at least adequate medical skills?

I will look back to see where I got this from, but my apologies if I was incorrect.

The Government building being delayed remains suspicious to me. We expedited the building process and it still did not get completed. Maybe we just got bad dice rolls, or maybe there is someone delaying the construction of that building...

Thom and DG seem to have some ability (albeit below average). Font could be another but how does that affect her leadership status? Maybe it doesn't..

I would recommend putting our most valuable resources on Chief. Without him we have an even worse go of it medically. I would recommend the following:

Finish the government building: Britrock, JAG, Suicane
Help Chief: Autumn, NTN, Font
Help Danny: Zinto, Thomkal, Dan Garion
Research Center - Timmae, Narcizo, SharkN20
Do the task we decide for the day: rest

Just a quick check in here-I will comment on Grover's and Timmae's questions later.

Raven-I'm sorry you haven't been given the chance to do much yet, but I ask that you do not give in to attempts to recruit you or agree to do things that would harm the colony and/or its members just so you can be "doing things". Especially if it would be against your characters goals here to do so.

Could be something we need to worry about but my take was that it is because of the production we were able to throw at it. With people dying, off doing other things, caring for injured, etc. the production value isn't there. Again, just a hunch.

Do we have a possible timeline of what the Stowaway has done thus far?

I am away most of the afternoon and evening but will check back in sporadically. Unfortunately I will not be in a position to review past posts much so it will just be real time thoughts.

Unfortunately as much as I would like to help Danny with my pitiful Medical skill, I cannot do so tonight.

I agree with you on this-could you perhaps look into the voting records and comments about the govt being created to see who has been consistently against it? Very likely our stowaway/others working against the colony being built will have voted against it/openly spoke about promoting other areas over the creation of the govt. Thanks if you can do this for us.

I'm not convinved that we need defence straightaway. I'm thinking that we load up on offence so that we can send out scouts without them being sitting-ducks. Then while they're off scouting we up the defence to deal with anything they might upset while they're off scouting. Just my feeling though so I'm happy to do along with the general consensus if it leans to defence.

What... is it date night with an extra-terrestrial you recently met?! What do you have going on Mars that you can't help ole' Danny boy out?! Please tell more... :)

The problem with that is that, I imagine, it falls foul of a lot of people personal objectives. Anyone who had/has an aim to build a different facility will have been opposed to it. There's the risk of mixing personal objectives with the stowaway's objectives. But I agree that it might be interesting.

he has other obligations..

I'd love to see a list of who's doing what and/or who is unaccounted for.

Checking in from the Martian soil in the Biodome (since we haven't built a medical center with hospital beds).

I would like to know why Sheriff Thomkal felt it necessary to interrogate me Jack Bauer style.

THIS!

And are people currently putting their faith in the biodome to give us food because I'm starting to worry that three days without food is going to start impacting our abilities pretty drastically (if it hasn't already). I can see a potential exponential increase in the damage being caused as well. Is everyone OK with that?

You're saying that Thomkal was responsible for your current injuries? In which case count me among the interested.

Probably because we don't have enough water for water-boarding.

So I assume Thomkal is going to be busy tonight because he is going to be beating up people.

How many people do you think it would take to heal you up Chief?

Hmmm.

I was wondering if this was a possibility for your injuries.

But is this the truth, or does CR have an ulterior motive for pinning this on Thomkal?

Then again CR did vote for Thomkal. However, Thomkal did not vote for CR as Doctor.

I like this question. Do we know how many HP a doctor can heal? I would assume Skill Level = X amount of HP healed per day.

I am a bit suspicious of you at this point. You make up some story while you have our leaders attention that prevents the decision making of putting the best scientist/engineer in the research center.

That sounds almost like sabotaging.

Probably more like (x1 + x2 + ...) - (z)
Where the left side is the cumulative effect of all doctors working on him, and the right side (z) is some negative impact of injury. So if not enough doctors are assigned to him, he could get worse (and potentially die).

Right. I wasn't thinking it was a straight Doctor A has 10 skill and can heal for 10 health in one day. Obviously this is a dice game here (I assume) and there are modifiers coming into effect.

I think NTN and I both need to be on Chief for sure. Even with all three? of us on Schmidty he didn't get much better, and I assume that will continue to be the case until we get better supplies and facilities.

Oh boy.