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I don't think so. While, I won't feel betrayed. They found her scarf, there were body parts and gore everywhere and there was no sign of Carol. So, they assumed she was dead. Not a major leap given the world they live in. They made a grave - a more symbolic gesture than anything else - and put her scarf, maybe some of her belongings, perhaps some gore - if they thought it was her - in the grave and marked it. Then end. |
I mean if the producer says someone is dead, they better be dead.
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I mean if the creators of Lost say the island isn't purgatory, it better not be purgatory
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Yes but they made that big scene about how he sacrificed himself so Carol could escape. They wouldnt then kill her off screen. Carol is dead as much as Merle was. |
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Are we allowed to talk about the phone? I haven't read any of the comics, but my first thought when the phone rang seems to match pretty well with what I think Jon is implying. I didn't even consider anything else. |
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I would say the first half of Season 2 was boring. The last episode and the last half of Season 2 were maybe the best episodes of the series. I know I have said that before, too. I know we all got frustrated on the farm, but it surprises me how often Season 2 is dismissed given the last seven episodes. |
Save the Last One was a great episode.
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Agreed. I also wonder if the first half of Season 2 might not present itself better if you are watching it on DVD or Netflix, where you don't have to wait forever to see how the farm storyline unfolds. |
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Def worth the watch. I see you in some of the other threads of shows I watch (GOT, Sons, Homeland) and would think you would enjoy this show. Especially on netflix where you don't have to wait a week for some of the "cliffhangers". That's how I watched it. I know nothing about the comic books so background isn't really needed to folow the show. Just like Sons you will enjoy it more if you don't micromanage every small thing, seems like the people in this thread that don't like the show read way too much into it. ("Why is there orange juice?" "The license plate on the car is not a real Georgia plate") |
I don't care about the license plate, but the orange juice was pretty stupid.
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Don't get me wrong I think pointing stuff like that out is funny and do it myself. Just like in the Sons of Anarchy where there is a gunfight with machine guns and grenades just outside Oakland and no media or police attention is paid to it. My point was that some people nitpick and then say they can't watch the show because of it but since DT seemed to enjoy Sons and GOT (that also has whole armies of undead walking around) that he probably wouldn't be bothered by the inconsistancies and would enjoy it. |
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Conan O'Brien had the actress who plays Maggie on recently. They discussed the irritation on blogs that many of the yards in neighborhoods are well groomed as we are a year out. She said they do have signs "please let your grass grow" in shooting areas, but hard to enforce. |
Yeah, if you start to get pedantic about any fictional show, you're not going to enjoy it. Just sit back, relax and watch it for what it is....entertainment.
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Wow, great episode tonight. They went a different direction on some things from the comics but I'm loving it. Next week could have some very difficult scenes.
Merle, Hasn't change that's for sure. And that girl sucks at archery, dad must have been proud. |
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That thought crossed my mind tonight as well. But they've diverged so much at this point that I felt save in revealing a few things to my kid about where this went in the source material. We're far enough off that beaten path that I don't see any way they would use those directions at this point. |
Talking Dead was shit tonight, worst guests ever on the show. I really wish they work on getting more people involved in the show instead of just shitty D-List celebrities.
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I've become so distracted by Chris Hardwick's nutsack like Adam's Apple that I fond it hard to watch the show. It dances around.
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And it was the first one I watched too...not a good first impression for sure. |
I know the Michone character has been really underdeveloped up until this point, but I am guessing that is about to change. Obviously, she has trust issues but she really had no choice but to find Rick's group.
I think this all setting up to be a Rick vs Governor showdown, with Meryl, Darryl, Andrea, and Michone as the under-card. Andrea has replaced Lori as the most annoying character on the show. I cringe every time she comes on the screen. Other thoughts from last night: -The red zone sounds interesting, but I doubt that is ever mentioned again. -The governor obviously wanted to take no chances with Michone, but I was still surprised they tracked her. -The defenses of Woodbury look really weak, especially with three more men getting killed. - I don't know where the whole Carol storyline is going. -Where was Axel last night? I don't think I saw him at all. Also, in the previous episode, I think I spotted the Sheriff ammunition bag in the Governor's supply room. If it is the same bag, does that mean they visited the farm at some point? I have no idea where that was left. |
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Axel was trying to fix the generators just in case they needed them. I'm glad Carol isn't dead, though I wonder if she's been bit or scratched or something. She did not look to be in good shape. I noticed what appeared to be Rick's bag there as well. It's possible they went to a farm. I think Andrea talked about it when she first got to Woodbury and Merle might have gone out there to check it out. I really hope that Michonne isn't all glowers and cryptic words in this next episode. Her interactions with Andrea about the Governor and Woodbury were very "Lostesque" in the vagueries. "This place isn't what it seems to be..." Great. Thanks, Michonne. Use your words, Michonne. Describe the shot up truck, the blood, the fact that the Governor keeps something in his closet, etc, etc. I feel bad for poor Glenn and Maggie. They were totally in over their head when up against Merle. It will be interesting to see what the Governor's reaction is when he finds out Merle lied about Michonne. He can't be happy about all that. I think Darryl has to kill Merle. |
I think they said Axel was working on the generator or doing something electrical.
I liked that episode pretty well, but I hope we don't have to see another one that features so much Merle and Andrea again for awhile. I can only stomach so much over-acting in an hour. :) |
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I dunno, Merle's insistence on getting that guy's name right ... that was gold. It was perfectly Merle. |
Yea, I thought Merle made the episode last night. It is not surprising he got the jump on Glen and Maggie.
There was another comment that Daryl made last night that is building the animosity between the two. Something to the effect of when Merle wasn't around, he got to go outside and play with other kids. |
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Sarah Silverman is D-list? But she was once fucking Matt Damon?! |
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Andrea had the gun bag when she left the farm. |
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I tried to start watching it at the start of this season... its just not what I'm looking for to compliment the show and a waste of 30 minutes for me, I got rid of it after watching it for 3 weeks. I don't feel I learn anything interesting from it and the celebrity guests who are not attached to the show in any way are completely pointless. I like Wil Wheaton, I think he's an interesting dude, but I have no interest in setting aside time to listen to him speculate about what's happening. I'd rather do that with people I know and in threads like this and be involved in the discussion. The other guest that they have that is actually involved with the show doesn't add enough to me to make it worth the time. |
I think there are a few worthwhile segments on the show. I'm always a sucker for In Memoriam and for the quick facts segment.
I will agree that last night's episode was as bad as any episode yet. Also, why do they insist on giving Kevin Smith's jackoff buddies a half hour of that shitty show. I'd prefer a longer talking dead, where every segment wasn't completely rushed. And assuming 1/2 of the people on stage is at least a part of the show. Silverman or Madden would have been fine, but not both together. |
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Agree on both counts. Watching Merle decide how to deal with people when he has a little leadership responsibility, and watching him decide what to tell the Governor about what happened was by far the most interesting and best parts of last week for me. Its no surprise that Glen doesn't have it in him to kill a person yet, even an obvious thread like Merle. I've never liked Andrea and fastforwarded through some of the stuff with her and the governor last night once I got the general idea of what was happening. Its the first time I've fastforwarded through anything this season (compared to last year, where I skipped over almost every conversation Lori had with anyone and just read a couple reviews to see if anything important happened in them). I'm very much looking forward to Michonne at the prison and pushing things towards everyone meeting up and having some kind of huge conflict. I'm very hopeful that will both pull Rick out of his funk that he's in since Lori died, and also that it will add some much needed depth to Michonne's character. |
I also find myself itching to fast forward through any Andrea scene as well.
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I disliked Andrea from day one. By far the most annoying character (and not a huge fan of the actress either).
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They don't know how to write female characters. They've all been terrible like Lori and Andrea or underdeveloped like Michonne. Maggie is the only tolerable one and she'll probably take the brunt of the punishment next week as Glenn gives up the prison location.
This is obviously headed for a showdown. Merle vs Daryl, Rick vs Governor, Andrea vs Michonne, Carl vs Girl who can't shoot a bow and arrow. |
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The show hasn't really had a great female character. Maggie has been the most solid throughout. I still have hopes for Michonne, but they are dwindling with each episode. |
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Just came across a spoiler that a pretty prominent character early in the comic series has finally been cast and will, at some point, appear on the show.
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I Googled, it was what I suspected it was. Makes sense I think. More "spoilerish" for me was info about two addt'l characters that Kirkman has confirmed would be added at some point in the future, altered my suspicions about how certain things would play out on TV vs the comic. |
yes, very pleased with both bits of news. definitely a fan of the actor cast
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Who are the other peeps? I only see one casting announcement. I'm also not sure this is that big of a spoiler really.
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There's only 2 episodes left this fall. Should be interesting to see what kind of midseason cliffhanger we get.
Also, I really think they could throw together some 2 hour TV movie type specials and make some bank. Bring back dead characters for a one-off The cold-storage webisodes were worth watching if you haven't seen them. I like that kind of stuff...stories set in a world but dont involve our group. |
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I misread what you wrote here and actually thought you were talking about a different bit of news.
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That Glenn set piece was inspired greatness.
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ROTFLMAO ... that KFC commercial probably wasn't what you'd call ideal placement given the scene seconds before
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Okay, who went down at the prison in the preview? Was that Carol or Lolita?
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Loved the end of episode music. Set the mood.
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Pretty good episode setting us up for the mid-season finale. It looks like a lot of human v human fighting next week. I still don't think Woodbury has much firepower, but there is only four of Rick's group there.
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lmao! That was so perfect! |
i bet KFC asked for that spot. seriously thats perfect placement
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Doubtful IMO, they aren't usually that hip. Much more likely that several phone calls started before that spot even finished and that by mid-morning tomorrow at least one buyer at a very large agency is going to be unemployed, with several other people trying to recover from enormous ass chewings. If it wasn't intentional then that's the sort of thing that ultimately causes agencies to lose very big accounts. |
Sneak peek on Talking Dead has "oh no" written all over it. For those looking for some character development from Michonne, there you go.
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CM Punk and someone I've never seen before on talking dead....why?
And I gather we will get 8 more episodes of Merle being shitty. |
That episode felt a good deal different from previous episodes. It just felt more intense. I thought maybe they got some big shot director to do that episode because I thought it was so much better done than previous episodes (from a director/cinematography standpoint).
Well, not a big shot but the director was someone who has been in TV awhile. Daniel Sackheim has been producer/executive producer and director for awhile and this was the first episode of The Walking Dead he directed. Included on his resume is several episodes of Law and Order, episodes of The X Files (including the very first episode "Deep Throat"), episodes of House MD and Lie To Me. Anyway, great job from the director IMO. I especially liked the scenes with Merle interrogating Glenn. |
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You need to catch up on Community, you would like it! Yvette Nicole Brown is on Community. Why she was on Talking Dead... no clue. I skipped through the entire show to get to the preview for next week. Loved this week's episode, can't wait for the mid-season finale. |
I can't decide if Merle's line about how the zombie he set on Glen would just be hungry again in an hour was too forced even for Merle or if it was perfect for him. Either way, I laughed my ass off at it because I'm a horrible person.
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It seemed pretty much in line with Merle. He's never gone light on the racist comments. He's a piece of work. Pretty riveting episode last night. |
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This week's Talking Dead was exceptional compared to the shithole of a episode last weeks was. Yes it was two unassociated people, but at least it appears they watch the show. |
Any suggestions on the best place to watch this show? I haven't seen an episode, but hear good things.
I was thinking about buying it on iTunes. |
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iTunes is that is your thing, or Amazon Instant Video. Amazon.com: The Walking Dead: Season 1, Episode 1 "Days Gone Bye": Amazon Instant Video |
Isn't it on Netflix? I'd probably start there for seasons 1-2
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Plus there was another racial remark from him earlier in the episode (re: T-Dawg) so presumably it's to make sure we know he's really still a bad guy. Problem for the show is that he's kind of like a wrestling heel that gets over & gets a face pop. |
Here is the aftershow part of Talking Dead, good talk there.
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I like the show but I just finished off the first season of the PC/PS3/XBOX game and the writing is about 10 times better. If you like the show/comics, it is a must buy. You will be blown away by the story.
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Agreed, great story. Hoping for more seasons from the developer. |
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They have already confirmed season 2 is coming. Really excited. |
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not sure about 10x better, but it is definitely something WD fans will enjoy. |
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No doubt. A bit of hyperbole, but I don't think a single character on the TV version is stronger than the game's weakest developed character. The emotional impact I felt during the game has never been there while watching the show. Some of that is being in "control" of what occurs during the story but a lot of it has to do with the strong, believable characters with fantastic voice acting. I read that the 4th chapter alone in the game utilized 250 pages of screenwriting. |
I have watched the first 3 episodes of the show. I like what I have seen so far.
Question about the game. When is a good time to play it in relation to how far I am in the show? |
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I think you would be okay playing the game at anytime. As far as characters go there's only some slight crossover in the first episode but not in a way that will spoil anything. The only thing I can think of that might be an issue is something you learn in the second episode of the game that isn't revealed in the show until the end of season 2 (I have no idea when you learn it in the comics). It is not something where a plot point of the show is spoiled, but rather a revelation about the nature of the world the comic/show/game take place everything. If you really want to learn every thing from the show then wait until you have seen season 2 to play the second episode of the game. I don't think the revelation is a big deal to learn prior to seeing it on the show, but I could see some people being bothered by it. |
yeah, I agree - not that huge of a spoiler and the character crossover is insignificant. you can play any time.
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I read some really huge spoilers about the midseason finale. Sounds great.
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Agree with this x 1000. If you aren't even that into games but have access to have something that can play this game, you should check it out. One of my better fictional experiences (book, movie, tv, game) in a while. Going to be a surprisingly strong game of the year contender i think given its relatively casual game-ness. |
I'd asked before in the games thread and never got an answer. How much of the game is spent in any sort of first person view? I've assumed based on watching video reviews that I won't be able to play it. I get really bad motion sickness with anything in first person, unless its extremely small bits here and there. As I've gotten older I've even had some issues with over the shoulder views (like in GTA4, or Arkham Asylum), but with those games if I take Ginger Capsules I can play for hours (if I don't, I'm done in about 15 minutes). Compare that to Skyrim where the game forced you into a first person view for the introduction story which I assume took most people 15-20 minutes. That 15-20 minutes took me 5 sittings over 3 days to complete before moving on with the rest of the game once it allowed me to switch the camera to 3rd person. I can't play any first person shooter for more than 2-3 minutes.
So, Walking Dead games, yay or nay? |
The game comes out on a disk in 2 weeks for Xbox/ps3. I think it's 29.99 also there is some deluxe edition with Compendium 1 for like $70.
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There's a brief portion of the first game that is first person or directly over the shoulder third person with mouse look. There's no need to actually look around though as you're just riding in the back seat of a car and you can just chose the dialogue responses. Other than that it's pretty much standard for a point and click adventure.
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Thanks mckerney, I'll try them out as soon as the budget allows then. Perhaps the Steam Christmas sale.
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Tonight provides the funniest single scene in TWD history I do believe
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Announced tonight, New Years Eve & New Years Day marathon of every episode to date.
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I hate that they are going to try to turn Merle good. He's horrible. Andrea sucks. The Governor sucks.
Hopefully they figure out how to write these people better in the second half. |
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I don't think I'd go that far. He just might not be the most evil dude in the room at all times. |
something tells me Daryl wasn't trying so hard to not get caught, and that something also tells me he's right where he wants to be. the fact that he got caught didn't shock me (i assumed that was going to happen as soon as he said he was going to stay behind and provide cover fire), the fact that the Governor turned on Merle is what surprised me. didn't see that coming.
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Don't forget that Merle told the Governor that he had killed Michonne (who just so happened to "kill" his daughter and stab him in the eye. I'd be pissed at Merle, too. :) |
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Agree w/ everything about Daryl. I wasn't surprised he turned on Merle though, remember a few episodes ago Merle lied about his certainty about Michonne being dead, and also the Governor was upset that he brought Glenn and Maggie to their community, he was also upset last week to learn that a smaller group had cleared the prison when Merle had told the Governor he was sure it couldn't be done. Merle was in pretty deep shit. |
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I think the Governor has been pretty good. Not at all what I expected from the GN, but he has been really well acted. Andrea is just awful. I think it must be the actress. Merle is fine in small doses, but he's been getting way too much play lately. Overall, I thought that was a great episode. Glad to see Tyrese join the fray and I love how they're writing Axel. He's a great character. |
Did I miss it somehow (or am brain blank now) or did they completely avoid giving us an Andrea reaction shot in the final scene?
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He's at least arguably the 2nd most popular (and memorable) character on the show though, hard not to write to that somewhat. Plus I think they've done a nice job with him in this half-season. Created a little doubt about whether he'd changed his stripes, destroyed that doubt thoroughly, now he's on the brink of becoming a sympathetic character just by comparison/circumstance. And it's been largely entertaining to watch (the hunting party after Michonne in particular), not bad for just 8 episodes. On the other end of the spectrum is the almost unbelievably bad job they've done handling her character. Her katana has more personality and is actually more fun to watch. She's also been perhaps the most poorly handled of all the characters with how they manage the divergence/similarities to the source material. In the original, her focus on the Gov at the same point in the story made sense ... tonight, felt like a huge stretch to think she'd be quite so single-minded. |
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I'm sure they could write Merle in a way that would make it cool to keep him around for awhile, but at this point my hope/preference is that they keep him insane for the rest of season 3 and send him out in a glorious bloody finale. |
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