My Draft by Continent (so far):

Africa: 2
Australia/Oceania: 1
Asia (Not counting the Middle East): 3
Europe: 7
The Middle East: 0
North America: 0 (yet, I plan to take one in round 14)
South America: 0

It's more European-centric than I'd like, but it's not Americas focused at all.

I still think you'd have been better off going with Nile pre-20th and taking a 20th century leader.

damn - this blocked me off something i wanted to do. ass.

that's 13.4 right? so it's me at 13.5 now?

No. Noop is on the clock.

DOLA - DT you're 13.8

I don't think many voters are going to really consider the structure and place really strongly unless it is really strong or really weak. I think having Ramses II over, say, Margaret Thatcher, does make me stronger, however.

Solid value here for him.

oh - damn snake-thing

More importantly is this:

Just because Albert Einstein was taken for Germany doesn;t mean you don't take into consideration his work done outside of Germany, including a certain set of five papers written and published while he was working in Berne in Switzerland and later work in America.

Just because Ghandi was taken for India does not mean you do not consider how he also helped Pakistan and Bangladesh out

Just because Simon Bolivar was taken for Venezuela does not mean you do not consider him as a founding father of Colombia, Bolivia, Panama, etc.

Just because Muhammad was taken for Saudi Arabia does not mean you do not consider his work outside of Arabia in converting and bringing people together in other countries.

Just because Alexey Koloyov was taken for Ukraine does not mean you do not consider his work for the Soviet missile program.

Just because Mother Theresa was taken for Albania, Moses for Egypt, Pope John Paul II for Poland, Hitchcock for USA, Saladin for Egypt, and more for other countries.

Same seems to me to be true of locations and structures. Take the Nile for the 20th, but that is just a slot on a board, it's full value is still there, just like you consider the British films Hitchcock made even though he was taken for the USA.

Both of my choices were taken. Bare with me while I research another pick.

13.5 - Pierre Elliott Trudeau - Cheif Diplomat - Canada - 20th

Considered one of the greatest Canadians who ever lived.

By my accounting, everyone now has a Chief Diplomat.

1st post updated

Hey, dont blame me for this..Blame Abe who took the sydney opera house. He shat on my damn parade. I therefore shat on your damn parade

however I think time works differently. And I know that when I vote those that take a 20th century geographic structure will be last in my figuring.

fyi - noop's pick was 13.5 not 12.5 right?

My turn, right?

Da

Mkay, give me a bit to research then.

Mkay, looks like I'm the last one who can make a religion pick... so I'll need to concentrate on my other category.

13.6 Paris Metro - Manmade Structure - France - 20th Century

One of the busiest subway systems in the world, yet it is one of the easiest to use and one noted for its Art Nouveau architecture. It serves approximately 4.5 million passengers per day and the Châtelet – Les Halles station is also considered the world's largest underground station.

Being able to move from one place to another quickly and efficiently in a city or country is important and having a world-famous subway system only provides an added bonus.

Izulde, I really like that pick.

Thanks. :) With a lot of great countries for 20th century man-made structures blocked, it was a bit of a scramble until I remembered how much I enjoyed zipping around the Metro and how useful it was.

I was going to take the Interstate System for US until the Statue got taken. I think Le Metro is fine as a choice.

Perhaps I was wrong, but I thought there were three really good, obvious, 20th century diplomats on the board that no one touched. I was very surprised by this.

In order:

U Thant, Myanmar, ran the UN during Cold War's darkest days, major player in settling Cuban Missle Crisis, ended wars, respected by both sides - which was unprecented,

Dag Hammarskjald - Was called by JFK greatest statesman of their time, handled Cold War in its infancy, won Nobel Peace Prize. Very active Secretary General.

Kofi Annan - Lesser than the first two, but still won Nobel, has many credits during Secretary General but reign marked by failure to act in Rwanda, which diminishes it a bit.

I did a major project on the Internstate System in college. It's a really interesting topic. It's only a bit of a stretch to say that WWI led to the Interstate Highway system as we know it.

I have to admit to not really knowing the first two, and always had a poor opinion of Annan, though he was certainly a large upgrade over Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

I agree thatn Annan's light was less bright, but U Thant was a major major player. I kinda wish I hadn't taken Marco Polo caue I could have happily have taken Thant here.

I thought about going UN Sec general if I had held out on the category longer.

13.7 Mario Andretti - Athlete, Italy, 20th

A household name even for those who know absolutely nothing about racing. Only driver to ever win Daytona, Indy, and the Formula One Championship.

a lot of my high picks for manmade objects have been taken - let me take a tally of how many people are left to pick in that category to see if i should go athlete before that

13.8 Itaipu Dam, Man-made object, Paraguay, 20th Century

2nd largest dam in terms of hydroelectric output behind 3 Gorges Dam (blocked by Lathum), on the American Society of Civil Engineers list of 7 manmade wonders of the world. It provides 90% of the power necessary for Paraguay AND 20% of that for Brazil.

Nice pick. I thought about a dam myself.

3 gorges would have been my first choice but lathum blocked it a while back. i would take itaipu over hoover because of its power generation abilities, and after all this is a "nation building" draft and i'd rather have the one putting out more power

Agreed on all counts, except for maybe 3 Gorges. It produces a ton of power, but it also devastated the environment and ecology around it.

Yeah, and temples and stuff the relocation of people. It's not an easy pick.

very true...very true.

Oh I am up

13.10 - Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Justice Minister - France, Pre 20th century

Along the lines of the John Locke pick

great value. i thought of him around like...round 3-4 and am surprised nobody else took him for anything.

Thanks, now just have to select my army commander. Hannibal, Bar.... oh wait, I have to go with my next choice :)

I think Rousseau is solid for here, but he carries the misogynist baggage that he does, being so massively anti-woman that he published against women and fought against their education, and so forth. That's not an albatross you want at round 4 or 5, but here he's fine for the choice.

At first, that Arnie pick surprised me a bit, but I've settled in to it.

am I up for 2 in a ro?

Yes, your last two picks.

13.12-Bruno Tonioli- Justice minister- Italy- 20th century- I love this guy on dancing with the stars

14.1-Facundo Bacardi- Scientist- Cuba- Pre 20th- guy invented Bacardi rum.

And you are the first one done!

you sound like my wife

I think it's a little unfortunate that you made joke picks with your final two picks, though

I think it's unfortunate you take this so seriously.

It's like when I took all guys with the sex symbol draft, some people liked my out of the box thinking.

14.2-Rocky Mountains-Geographic location (Canada)- 20th Century

Oh you're out of the box all right...

do we need to fight?

or should I send Bono to mediate?

The 14 different counties I used for my picks (part of my strategy)

Saudi Arabia
India
Greece
Germany
Poland
Unites States
Japan
Canada
Austria
Netherlands
Brazil
Italy
France
Uzbekistan

My turn? Just woke up

Great pick this late. I almost thought about him myself.

Torgo and then me.

Okay cool. If DT shows up and picks, we can go boom-boom-boom, he, you, me.

oh i'm up?

sorry - just got a backup laptop situation setup guys

14.6 - The Swiss Alps, Geographic Location, Swizterland, Pre-20th

Both a strategic location, providing a natural defensive terrain for the country, an extremely picturesque locale, as well as providing great tourism revenue for all.

Izulde picks:

14.7 - Gerald Gardner - Religious Figure - England - 20th Century

The father of Wicca, the world's largest neopagan denomination.

14.8 Taylor Wang - Air Chief - China - 20th Century

First Chinese person in space.

1st post updated. We're almost at the finish line.

14.9 International Space Station Manmade Structure Russia 20th Century
My country will be represented not only on earth, but also in the heavens.

I choose Russia as the country because along with the US they are the main country responsible for its construction and operation.

wasn't the international space station already chosen? for that matter i believe 'manmade object + russia" was already chosen - it forced me to change my pick of manmade object

Yeah, Russia has already been picked in that category.

My bad. I missed it when I was looking over the picks. Let me get a new choice up.

Large Hardon Collider Switzerland 20th Century Manmade Structure
Marie Curie has a great place to work now.

good one BK

Thanks

hehehehehehehe (/childish laugh at a misspelling)

14.10 Sir Arthur Lewis, Economist, St. Lucia, 20th

First black person to win an academic Nobel, one of only three people outside of western Europe and the US to ever win a Nobel in Economics. Groundbreaking work in developing world economies and their transition to modern economies. His economic models were adopted as policy by countries from Hong Kong (at the time it was in a city-state phase), Singapore, Jamaica and more.

Heh, I was considering taking the LHC myself if I needed a 20th century structure.

nice pick abe!

Thanks

He's a no name guy, but I like the fact that I have a nobel winning economist who actually was the first President of the Caribbean Development Bank and turned it into a major financial institution with a mission statement of helping infrastructure and development of Carribbean countries. He was successful, not just in theory, but in practice as well. I like that, even if no one will notice.

14.11 Vinko Bogataj, Athlete, Slovenia, Post-20

"...and the agony of defeat."

One more pick left!

hmmm Mr (or Mrs or It ) Irellevant...gimme a few to figure out.. I just went back to work and have been slammed with reams upon reams of paper to fill out..
Guess 10 months of medical will do that..


okee..dokee.. I cant figure this one out... So I will take the damnest easy way out

Justice minister David Koepsell USA 20th century none of you know him..hes a lawyer,writer, big time into ethics and a high school buddy.. sorta fits into the justice position..I disagree with most of his politics so he'd be perfect...Better than my original choice of Heinie Himmler.....

Once the pick is made, I'm going to open a new thread and we'll do something a little different before the voting starts.

Sorry Apathetic US Justice Minister has been off the board for a good long while.

I pm'd Apathetic to repick.

The best thing about this draft is that Izulde will not finish in his usual last place. :)

hmm and someone took his new residence in the Netherlands..so im screwed

I dont see a Polish Justice here..

So for my Justice Minister, giving a little love to my Nationality I chose:
Felix Dzerzinsky, Poland, Justice Minister, 20th C.. I like my justice not to be burdened by silly notions of law and justice

:D I'm shocked. A draft where Bucc doesn't have me last.

i'd bitch about Dzerhinzinsky being barely-Polish (born into a Polish noble family in present day Minsk (Belarus). I think you'd do better to clarify him as from Belarus or from Russia (think that's still available in Justice Minister) but whatever, I'm not really complaining. Not like you're trying to get around a blocked situation.

They probably have me, the draft newb taking your place....

He was Polish.. Noble born even. My dad was born in Pinsk(modern Belarus) in 1932 in what was then Poland. Tell him he's Belarussian and you will be fighting... He is 100% Polish.. So no..just because he was born in what is present day Belarus does not make Felix Belarussian or Russian

lol ok

You do have three outstanding picks, so that should count for something. :)

..and yet William Wallace is a member of the UK

Those are just the breaks in this draft. :)

However, I know noting about this guy, and I assume he had an official position with the Polish government, so that seems fine.

I didn;t realize until just now, this is Iron Felix, right? Wow. The guy who founded the Secret Police as Justice Minister.