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Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 01:28 AM

My Draft by Continent (so far):

Africa: 2
Australia/Oceania: 1
Asia (Not counting the Middle East): 3
Europe: 7
The Middle East: 0
North America: 0 (yet, I plan to take one in round 14)
South America: 0

It's more European-centric than I'd like, but it's not Americas focused at all.

Barkeep49 05-22-2009 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2030535)
13.3 Ramses II (aka Ramses the Great aka Ozymandias), Ruler/Leader, Egypt, Pre20th

I still think you'd have been better off going with Nile pre-20th and taking a 20th century leader.

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker (Post 2030361)
ugh..... brain fizz


man made object sputnik USSR 20th century



damn - this blocked me off something i wanted to do. ass.

Barkeep49 05-22-2009 07:21 AM

13.4 Desmond Tutu Religious Leader 20th Century South Africa

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 07:22 AM

that's 13.4 right? so it's me at 13.5 now?

Barkeep49 05-22-2009 07:27 AM

No. Noop is on the clock.

Barkeep49 05-22-2009 07:27 AM

DOLA - DT you're 13.8

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2030584)
I still think you'd have been better off going with Nile pre-20th and taking a 20th century leader.


I don't think many voters are going to really consider the structure and place really strongly unless it is really strong or really weak. I think having Ramses II over, say, Margaret Thatcher, does make me stronger, however.

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2030594)
13.4 Desmond Tutu Religious Leader 20th Century South Africa


Solid value here for him.

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 07:54 AM

oh - damn snake-thing

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 08:14 AM

More importantly is this:

Just because Albert Einstein was taken for Germany doesn;t mean you don't take into consideration his work done outside of Germany, including a certain set of five papers written and published while he was working in Berne in Switzerland and later work in America.

Just because Ghandi was taken for India does not mean you do not consider how he also helped Pakistan and Bangladesh out

Just because Simon Bolivar was taken for Venezuela does not mean you do not consider him as a founding father of Colombia, Bolivia, Panama, etc.

Just because Muhammad was taken for Saudi Arabia does not mean you do not consider his work outside of Arabia in converting and bringing people together in other countries.

Just because Alexey Koloyov was taken for Ukraine does not mean you do not consider his work for the Soviet missile program.

Just because Mother Theresa was taken for Albania, Moses for Egypt, Pope John Paul II for Poland, Hitchcock for USA, Saladin for Egypt, and more for other countries.

Same seems to me to be true of locations and structures. Take the Nile for the 20th, but that is just a slot on a board, it's full value is still there, just like you consider the British films Hitchcock made even though he was taken for the USA.

Noop 05-22-2009 08:21 AM

Both of my choices were taken. Bare with me while I research another pick.

Noop 05-22-2009 08:29 AM

13.5 - Pierre Elliott Trudeau - Cheif Diplomat - Canada - 20th

Considered one of the greatest Canadians who ever lived.

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 08:34 AM

By my accounting, everyone now has a Chief Diplomat.

larrymcg421 05-22-2009 09:18 AM

1st post updated

Apathetic Lurker 05-22-2009 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2030593)
damn - this blocked me off something i wanted to do. ass.


Hey, dont blame me for this..Blame Abe who took the sydney opera house. He shat on my damn parade. I therefore shat on your damn parade

ntndeacon 05-22-2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2030622)
More importantly is this:

Just because Albert Einstein was taken for Germany doesn;t mean you don't take into consideration his work done outside of Germany, including a certain set of five papers written and published while he was working in Berne in Switzerland and later work in America.

Just because Ghandi was taken for India does not mean you do not consider how he also helped Pakistan and Bangladesh out

Just because Simon Bolivar was taken for Venezuela does not mean you do not consider him as a founding father of Colombia, Bolivia, Panama, etc.

Just because Muhammad was taken for Saudi Arabia does not mean you do not consider his work outside of Arabia in converting and bringing people together in other countries.

Just because Alexey Koloyov was taken for Ukraine does not mean you do not consider his work for the Soviet missile program.

Just because Mother Theresa was taken for Albania, Moses for Egypt, Pope John Paul II for Poland, Hitchcock for USA, Saladin for Egypt, and more for other countries.

Same seems to me to be true of locations and structures. Take the Nile for the 20th, but that is just a slot on a board, it's full value is still there, just like you consider the British films Hitchcock made even though he was taken for the USA.


however I think time works differently. And I know that when I vote those that take a 20th century geographic structure will be last in my figuring.

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 11:43 AM

fyi - noop's pick was 13.5 not 12.5 right?

Izulde 05-22-2009 11:55 AM

My turn, right?

Coffee Warlord 05-22-2009 11:56 AM

Da

Izulde 05-22-2009 11:57 AM

Mkay, give me a bit to research then.

Izulde 05-22-2009 12:04 PM

Mkay, looks like I'm the last one who can make a religion pick... so I'll need to concentrate on my other category.

Izulde 05-22-2009 12:18 PM

13.6 Paris Metro - Manmade Structure - France - 20th Century

One of the busiest subway systems in the world, yet it is one of the easiest to use and one noted for its Art Nouveau architecture. It serves approximately 4.5 million passengers per day and the Châtelet – Les Halles station is also considered the world's largest underground station.

Being able to move from one place to another quickly and efficiently in a city or country is important and having a world-famous subway system only provides an added bonus.

Barkeep49 05-22-2009 12:21 PM

Izulde, I really like that pick.

Izulde 05-22-2009 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2030778)
Izulde, I really like that pick.


Thanks. :) With a lot of great countries for 20th century man-made structures blocked, it was a bit of a scramble until I remembered how much I enjoyed zipping around the Metro and how useful it was.

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2030776)
13.6 Paris Metro - Manmade Structure - France - 20th Century

One of the busiest subway systems in the world, yet it is one of the easiest to use and one noted for its Art Nouveau architecture. It serves approximately 4.5 million passengers per day and the Châtelet – Les Halles station is also considered the world's largest underground station.

Being able to move from one place to another quickly and efficiently in a city or country is important and having a world-famous subway system only provides an added bonus.


I was going to take the Interstate System for US until the Statue got taken. I think Le Metro is fine as a choice.

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 12:33 PM

Perhaps I was wrong, but I thought there were three really good, obvious, 20th century diplomats on the board that no one touched. I was very surprised by this.

In order:

U Thant, Myanmar, ran the UN during Cold War's darkest days, major player in settling Cuban Missle Crisis, ended wars, respected by both sides - which was unprecented,

Dag Hammarskjald - Was called by JFK greatest statesman of their time, handled Cold War in its infancy, won Nobel Peace Prize. Very active Secretary General.

Kofi Annan - Lesser than the first two, but still won Nobel, has many credits during Secretary General but reign marked by failure to act in Rwanda, which diminishes it a bit.

Barkeep49 05-22-2009 12:34 PM

I did a major project on the Internstate System in college. It's a really interesting topic. It's only a bit of a stretch to say that WWI led to the Interstate Highway system as we know it.

Barkeep49 05-22-2009 12:35 PM

I have to admit to not really knowing the first two, and always had a poor opinion of Annan, though he was certainly a large upgrade over Boutros Boutros-Ghali.

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 12:37 PM

I agree thatn Annan's light was less bright, but U Thant was a major major player. I kinda wish I hadn't taken Marco Polo caue I could have happily have taken Thant here.

ntndeacon 05-22-2009 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2030791)
Perhaps I was wrong, but I thought there were three really good, obvious, 20th century diplomats on the board that no one touched. I was very surprised by this.

In order:

U Thant, Myanmar, ran the UN during Cold War's darkest days, major player in settling Cuban Missle Crisis, ended wars, respected by both sides - which was unprecented,

Dag Hammarskjald - Was called by JFK greatest statesman of their time, handled Cold War in its infancy, won Nobel Peace Prize. Very active Secretary General.

Kofi Annan - Lesser than the first two, but still won Nobel, has many credits during Secretary General but reign marked by failure to act in Rwanda, which diminishes it a bit.


I thought about going UN Sec general if I had held out on the category longer.

Coffee Warlord 05-22-2009 12:43 PM

13.7 Mario Andretti - Athlete, Italy, 20th

A household name even for those who know absolutely nothing about racing. Only driver to ever win Daytona, Indy, and the Formula One Championship.

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 12:51 PM

a lot of my high picks for manmade objects have been taken - let me take a tally of how many people are left to pick in that category to see if i should go athlete before that

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 01:00 PM

13.8 Itaipu Dam, Man-made object, Paraguay, 20th Century

2nd largest dam in terms of hydroelectric output behind 3 Gorges Dam (blocked by Lathum), on the American Society of Civil Engineers list of 7 manmade wonders of the world. It provides 90% of the power necessary for Paraguay AND 20% of that for Brazil.

Izulde 05-22-2009 01:02 PM

Nice pick. I thought about a dam myself.

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2030810)
Nice pick. I thought about a dam myself.


3 gorges would have been my first choice but lathum blocked it a while back. i would take itaipu over hoover because of its power generation abilities, and after all this is a "nation building" draft and i'd rather have the one putting out more power

Izulde 05-22-2009 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2030811)
3 gorges would have been my first choice but lathum blocked it a while back. i would take itaipu over hoover because of its power generation abilities, and after all this is a "nation building" draft and i'd rather have the one putting out more power


Agreed on all counts, except for maybe 3 Gorges. It produces a ton of power, but it also devastated the environment and ecology around it.

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 01:11 PM

Yeah, and temples and stuff the relocation of people. It's not an easy pick.

ntndeacon 05-22-2009 01:12 PM

13.9 The Andes-Geographical Location-Bolivia-pre 20th century

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2030814)
Agreed on all counts, except for maybe 3 Gorges. It produces a ton of power, but it also devastated the environment and ecology around it.


very true...very true.

Danny 05-22-2009 03:42 PM

Oh I am up

Danny 05-22-2009 03:45 PM

13.10 - Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Justice Minister - France, Pre 20th century

Along the lines of the John Locke pick

DaddyTorgo 05-22-2009 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2030918)
13.10 - Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Justice Minister - France, Pre 20th century

Along the lines of the John Locke pick


great value. i thought of him around like...round 3-4 and am surprised nobody else took him for anything.

Danny 05-22-2009 03:55 PM

Thanks, now just have to select my army commander. Hannibal, Bar.... oh wait, I have to go with my next choice :)

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2030924)
great value. i thought of him around like...round 3-4 and am surprised nobody else took him for anything.


I think Rousseau is solid for here, but he carries the misogynist baggage that he does, being so massively anti-woman that he published against women and fought against their education, and so forth. That's not an albatross you want at round 4 or 5, but here he's fine for the choice.

Galaril 05-22-2009 05:03 PM

13.11 - Arnold Schwarzenegger, Athelete - Austria, 20th century

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 05:19 PM

At first, that Arnie pick surprised me a bit, but I've settled in to it.

Lathum 05-22-2009 06:07 PM

am I up for 2 in a ro?

Danny 05-22-2009 06:12 PM

Yes, your last two picks.

Lathum 05-22-2009 06:17 PM

13.12-Bruno Tonioli- Justice minister- Italy- 20th century- I love this guy on dancing with the stars

14.1-Facundo Bacardi- Scientist- Cuba- Pre 20th- guy invented Bacardi rum.

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 06:18 PM

And you are the first one done!

Lathum 05-22-2009 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2031024)
And you are the first one done!


you sound like my wife

Abe Sargent 05-22-2009 06:19 PM

I think it's a little unfortunate that you made joke picks with your final two picks, though

Lathum 05-22-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent (Post 2031027)
I think it's a little unfortunate that you made joke picks with your final two picks, though


I think it's unfortunate you take this so seriously.

It's like when I took all guys with the sex symbol draft, some people liked my out of the box thinking.

Galaril 05-22-2009 06:41 PM

14.2-Rocky Mountains-Geographic location (Canada)- 20th Century

Noop 05-22-2009 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 2031032)
I think it's unfortunate you take this so seriously.

It's like when I took all guys with the sex symbol draft, some people liked my out of the box thinking.


Oh you're out of the box all right...

Lathum 05-22-2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop (Post 2031041)
Oh you're out of the box all right...


do we need to fight?

or should I send Bono to mediate?

Danny 05-22-2009 07:00 PM

14.3 Tamerlane (Timur), Army Commander - Uzbekistan, Pre 20th Century

ntndeacon 05-22-2009 07:14 PM

14.4 Johann Sebastian Bach-Artist-Germany-pre 20th century

Danny 05-22-2009 07:20 PM

The 14 different counties I used for my picks (part of my strategy)

Saudi Arabia
India
Greece
Germany
Poland
Unites States
Japan
Canada
Austria
Netherlands
Brazil
Italy
France
Uzbekistan

Izulde 05-22-2009 09:08 PM

My turn? Just woke up

Izulde 05-22-2009 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2031044)
14.3 Tamerlane (Timur), Army Commander - Uzbekistan, Pre 20th Century


Great pick this late. I almost thought about him myself.

Coffee Warlord 05-22-2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2031107)
My turn? Just woke up


Torgo and then me.

Izulde 05-22-2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 2031113)
Torgo and then me.


Okay cool. If DT shows up and picks, we can go boom-boom-boom, he, you, me.

DaddyTorgo 05-23-2009 12:20 PM

oh i'm up?

sorry - just got a backup laptop situation setup guys

DaddyTorgo 05-23-2009 12:24 PM

14.5 Alexander "The Russian Bear" Karelin, Athlete, Russia, 20th Century

Coffee Warlord 05-23-2009 12:36 PM

14.6 - The Swiss Alps, Geographic Location, Swizterland, Pre-20th

Both a strategic location, providing a natural defensive terrain for the country, an extremely picturesque locale, as well as providing great tourism revenue for all.

larrymcg421 05-23-2009 12:43 PM

Izulde picks:

14.7 - Gerald Gardner - Religious Figure - England - 20th Century

The father of Wicca, the world's largest neopagan denomination.

Noop 05-23-2009 12:47 PM

14.8 Taylor Wang - Air Chief - China - 20th Century

First Chinese person in space.

larrymcg421 05-23-2009 12:53 PM

1st post updated. We're almost at the finish line.

Barkeep49 05-23-2009 01:00 PM

14.9 International Space Station Manmade Structure Russia 20th Century
My country will be represented not only on earth, but also in the heavens.

Barkeep49 05-23-2009 01:01 PM

I choose Russia as the country because along with the US they are the main country responsible for its construction and operation.

DaddyTorgo 05-23-2009 01:03 PM

wasn't the international space station already chosen? for that matter i believe 'manmade object + russia" was already chosen - it forced me to change my pick of manmade object

larrymcg421 05-23-2009 01:11 PM

Yeah, Russia has already been picked in that category.

Barkeep49 05-23-2009 01:12 PM

My bad. I missed it when I was looking over the picks. Let me get a new choice up.

Barkeep49 05-23-2009 01:16 PM

Large Hardon Collider Switzerland 20th Century Manmade Structure
Marie Curie has a great place to work now.

DaddyTorgo 05-23-2009 01:20 PM

good one BK

Barkeep49 05-23-2009 01:23 PM

Thanks

sabotai 05-23-2009 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2031489)
Large Hardon Collider Switzerland 20th Century Manmade Structure
Marie Curie has a great place to work now.


hehehehehehehe (/childish laugh at a misspelling)

Abe Sargent 05-23-2009 02:09 PM

14.10 Sir Arthur Lewis, Economist, St. Lucia, 20th

First black person to win an academic Nobel, one of only three people outside of western Europe and the US to ever win a Nobel in Economics. Groundbreaking work in developing world economies and their transition to modern economies. His economic models were adopted as policy by countries from Hong Kong (at the time it was in a city-state phase), Singapore, Jamaica and more.

Coffee Warlord 05-23-2009 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49 (Post 2031489)
Large Hardon Collider Switzerland 20th Century Manmade Structure
Marie Curie has a great place to work now.


Heh, I was considering taking the LHC myself if I needed a 20th century structure.

DaddyTorgo 05-23-2009 02:18 PM

nice pick abe!

Abe Sargent 05-23-2009 02:19 PM

Thanks

Abe Sargent 05-23-2009 02:28 PM

He's a no name guy, but I like the fact that I have a nobel winning economist who actually was the first President of the Caribbean Development Bank and turned it into a major financial institution with a mission statement of helping infrastructure and development of Carribbean countries. He was successful, not just in theory, but in practice as well. I like that, even if no one will notice.

Surtt 05-23-2009 02:34 PM

14.11 Vinko Bogataj, Athlete, Slovenia, Post-20

"...and the agony of defeat."

Abe Sargent 05-23-2009 02:51 PM

One more pick left!

Apathetic Lurker 05-23-2009 03:23 PM

hmmm Mr (or Mrs or It ) Irellevant...gimme a few to figure out.. I just went back to work and have been slammed with reams upon reams of paper to fill out..
Guess 10 months of medical will do that..


okee..dokee.. I cant figure this one out... So I will take the damnest easy way out

Justice minister David Koepsell USA 20th century none of you know him..hes a lawyer,writer, big time into ethics and a high school buddy.. sorta fits into the justice position..I disagree with most of his politics so he'd be perfect...Better than my original choice of Heinie Himmler.....

larrymcg421 05-23-2009 03:37 PM

Once the pick is made, I'm going to open a new thread and we'll do something a little different before the voting starts.

ntndeacon 05-23-2009 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker (Post 2031530)
hmmm Mr (or Mrs or It ) Irellevant...gimme a few to figure out.. I just went back to work and have been slammed with reams upon reams of paper to fill out..
Guess 10 months of medical will do that..


okee..dokee.. I cant figure this one out... So I will take the damnest easy way out

Justice minister David Koepsell USA 20th century none of you know him..hes a lawyer,writer, big time into ethics and a high school buddy.. sorta fits into the justice position..I disagree with most of his politics so he'd be perfect...Better than my original choice of Heinie Himmler.....


Sorry Apathetic US Justice Minister has been off the board for a good long while.

larrymcg421 05-23-2009 04:06 PM

I pm'd Apathetic to repick.

Buccaneer 05-23-2009 04:29 PM

The best thing about this draft is that Izulde will not finish in his usual last place. :)

Apathetic Lurker 05-23-2009 09:02 PM

hmm and someone took his new residence in the Netherlands..so im screwed

I dont see a Polish Justice here..

So for my Justice Minister, giving a little love to my Nationality I chose:
Felix Dzerzinsky, Poland, Justice Minister, 20th C.. I like my justice not to be burdened by silly notions of law and justice

Izulde 05-23-2009 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 2031549)
The best thing about this draft is that Izulde will not finish in his usual last place. :)


:D I'm shocked. A draft where Bucc doesn't have me last.

DaddyTorgo 05-23-2009 09:08 PM

i'd bitch about Dzerhinzinsky being barely-Polish (born into a Polish noble family in present day Minsk (Belarus). I think you'd do better to clarify him as from Belarus or from Russia (think that's still available in Justice Minister) but whatever, I'm not really complaining. Not like you're trying to get around a blocked situation.

Apathetic Lurker 05-23-2009 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2031654)
:D I'm shocked. A draft where Bucc doesn't have me last.


They probably have me, the draft newb taking your place....

Apathetic Lurker 05-23-2009 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 2031657)
i'd bitch about Dzerhinzinsky being barely-Polish (born into a Polish noble family in present day Minsk (Belarus). I think you'd do better to clarify him as from Belarus or from Russia (think that's still available in Justice Minister) but whatever, I'm not really complaining. Not like you're trying to get around a blocked situation.


He was Polish.. Noble born even. My dad was born in Pinsk(modern Belarus) in 1932 in what was then Poland. Tell him he's Belarussian and you will be fighting... He is 100% Polish.. So no..just because he was born in what is present day Belarus does not make Felix Belarussian or Russian

DaddyTorgo 05-23-2009 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker (Post 2031663)
He was Polish.. Noble born even. My dad was born in Pinsk(modern Belarus) in 1932 in what was then Poland. Tell him he's Belarussian and you will be fighting... He is 100% Polish.. So no..just because he was born in what is present day Belarus does not make Felix Belarussian or Russian


lol ok

Buccaneer 05-23-2009 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izulde (Post 2031654)
:D I'm shocked. A draft where Bucc doesn't have me last.


You do have three outstanding picks, so that should count for something. :)

lordscarlet 05-24-2009 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker (Post 2031663)
He was Polish.. Noble born even. My dad was born in Pinsk(modern Belarus) in 1932 in what was then Poland. Tell him he's Belarussian and you will be fighting... He is 100% Polish.. So no..just because he was born in what is present day Belarus does not make Felix Belarussian or Russian


..and yet William Wallace is a member of the UK

Those are just the breaks in this draft. :)

However, I know noting about this guy, and I assume he had an official position with the Polish government, so that seems fine.

Abe Sargent 05-24-2009 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apathetic Lurker (Post 2031651)
hmm and someone took his new residence in the Netherlands..so im screwed

I dont see a Polish Justice here..

So for my Justice Minister, giving a little love to my Nationality I chose:
Felix Dzerzinsky, Poland, Justice Minister, 20th C.. I like my justice not to be burdened by silly notions of law and justice


I didn;t realize until just now, this is Iron Felix, right? Wow. The guy who founded the Secret Police as Justice Minister.


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