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No, but instead pile on the run started by a guy that then says "no, no, no, don't make me do it" and that he doesn't want a run on me. |
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I guess I could see that. I mean, it really isn't much but it atleast is something. |
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Not joining a pile-on on freaking Day 1 is suspicious? I'd think the opposite would be true. |
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Note to self: piling on day 2, even when the run-starter doesn't seem to believe it, is okay. |
Alan, I think I may have definitely been snippy that time.
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I don't have a major role but I have a fun role. I don't know what I saw and it may have been a BG block but I only know I saw two people talking to each other last night. I know who one of them was but I have no idea if he was a wolf or villager.
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We need to figure out what's up with the Lathum vote and unknown info on you. The easiest way to do that is to lynch you. Sorry if it comes up that you're a villager, but I don't like the idea of just leaving this dangling out there. |
EF, if I have to vote for you in self-defense, I am sorry.
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I think anyone voting PB at this point jumps out at me. Lathum is at worst under the influence of a wolf. At best he is completely insane as his case against PB was awful and all over the place. Could prehaps be one of the worst cases I've ever seen presented that actually gained ground like this. I mean, he implyed he wanted to vote elsewhere and would not persue PB as a lynch target.
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Well, he didn't imply he wouldn't persue PB as a lynch target, he came right out and said it.
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And at this point anyone on here that's not voting for PB or EF is throwing away a vote since the votes on me aren't going to catch up in 3 minutes.
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Telle, on top of it, I'm grasping at straws as a good guy and I've laid out my read on several people: Hoops, you, and Martin D. So I'm trying to present some other target, nothing meant personally, honestly.
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I also still think the willingness to run on me today means I had something right yesterday (or worst case, that EF is a wolf and they're protecting him).
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Damn, I have to do this don't I?
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EF, sorry.
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Honestly the worst feeling self-defense vote I've had to make since he can't even vote.
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Not really |
I don't recall seeing something like that in the rules.
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We know a lot about someone in here!!!!
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Deadline
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EF, I am sorry. I'll never bitch about your day 1 votes ever again. |
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Who shall it be?
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Final Results
7 - PurdueBrad - Latham (790), hoopsguy (822), Telle (1020), Abe (1045), The Jackal (1050), Lerriuqs (1137), Chief Rum (1166) 9 - EagleFan - Alan T (951), Autumn (969), DaddyTorgo (971), dubb (1014), MartinD (1112), PackerFanatic (1123), Passacaglia (1157), PurdueBrad, Poli 1 - hoopsguy - saldana (1194) 2 - Telle - claphamsa (1285), Barkeep (1291) |
Eagle, if you're good, please tell us what you know before you have to go. Have a heart.
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Dude. If he's good, I totally screwed up.
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He was already up by one when you moved your vote. |
Today, PurdueBrad and EagleFan are singled out as no longer needing therapy! Perhaps even crazies surrounded by other crazies seem normal. After much deliberation, it is decided that EagleFan will be the one to go. As he begins to leave EagleFan tries to grab a knife and take someone with him, but alas he is stopped by the therapist and escorted away. As he is carried away, he drops a notebook with a lot of information scribbled on it. EagleFan is the Evil Information Collector!
The Evil Information Collector- You are a needie! Each night you will have a talk with the therapist who will randomly reveal an unlisted role without realizing it. You will not learn who has that role. Because you are evil, you also plan on using this info for your own selfish purposes. After learning a role, you may use your deception to try and trick one player into revealing their role to you by talking to that player at night to see if they are a role that you are looking for. Now you all know for sure there are those that are out to get you, but was EF alone? Are they still here and how many are there? Night deadline is at 1am eastern |
Well that was a good outcome. But we still know nothing about why Lathum voted for PB.
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Holy cow!!!
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Woot woot!
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THANK FUCKING GOD!
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I don't feel guilty at all now!
HAPPY, HAPPY, JOY, JOY! |
Poli, will you marry me?
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I'll even buy you pizza!
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Let's play how many times Barkeep can be wrong.
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I'm off until night deadline now
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AWESOME!!!
Nice read by those of us that put the pieces together early (Autumn, myself, and who was the 3rd?) Now what did we say we thought that meant about Lathum/PB? |
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Also, I may be running night 2 later than normal tonight, so don't wait up for the results :).
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Ahhhh, deep breath, sorry. Okay, that does give us good voting breakdown between the two days now though.
And I want Lathum to talk some, if he can. |
Incredibly awesome. Although I was only more sure as the day wore on.
I think Lathum might be able to tell us more later, let's wait and see on that. I have several targets looking back at people really determined to get us off of EagleFan though. |
We had Eaglefan on the ropes for much of the day, so I Think we'll get some good info looking back at the day. Knowing for sure whether PurdueBrad is good would lock in some really key information.
I'm glad they weren't able to sway the vote enough. |
Excellent.
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Lathum made it seem like we'd know something more about him by tomorrow, let's hope its true.
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See CR, I told you it was a reasonable wolf play.
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7 - PurdueBrad - Latham (790), hoopsguy (822), Telle (1020), Abe (1045), The Jackal (1050), Lerriuqs (1137), Chief Rum (1166)
Really? You guys saw logic in what Lathum was saying. I know I voted with him early, but when it became obvious he was batshit crazy I moved my vote away. Why did you guys stay on PB? |
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Because the simplest answer was that either Lathum was right for voting for PB because he thought he was a wolf or Lathum was the wolf. And easiest way to figure that out is by lynching one of them. |
YAYAYAYAYAYYAY
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Can we get the voting history from Day 1 reposted up here? I keep going back to look for it and getting lost. I forget who posted it.
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oh my!
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Found it, thanks a ton hoopsguy, this is better than my notes. |
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A lot to look at here I think |
Telle and Jackal were on me back-to-back days.
Hoopsguy early on EF, Lathum followed Wouldn't be surprised to see Hoops put a first vote on another wolf Autumn and Poli (him in particular) seemed to listen to me both days. |
And yes, everything above assumes that I'm good, I know.
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A couple highlights. Lathum and Dubb put Eaglefan in danger early in Day 1 voting, putting him ahead in the vote. Chief put him back in the mix towards the end of the voting. Purdue and Eaglefan himself got him out of danger at the end and pushed NTN over the top. Pass and PB put NTN ahead of EF in the middle of the voting.
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I was thinking about this. Did the wolves, like I sort of said earlier, push to get ntn out because they thought it would be easier to generate a run on me once they criticized EF? |
Damn, hit enter too soon. And then was Lathum's craziness a bonus then OR did they orchestrate that as well?
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Also of note, we can assume we have (had) at least five Needies in the game, since EagleFan's role was not one of the listed roles.
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didnt guess that one.....
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but yay anyways
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Good game all. Go Needies!!! :D
For the record. The bad day was not a play, I actually had about the worst day at work today and it began as described. |
Glad we could make it worse ;-) Well, you know what i mean.
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Dubb, you are seriously annoying me. You got pissed off and accused Hoops of putting words in your mouth, explain to me how this doesn't make you a hypocrite? I never once said my role points to PB being a wolf and actually speceficaly went out of my way to say it didn't. |
Lathum, are you able to discuss much of what did happen or not so much?
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Didn't make it worse. 'Tis just a game and I actually enjoyed trying to think of what to say to help get me out of it. |
PB - I don't know if I'll be voting for you again, but if you had been lynched today and turned up bad and I wasn't on you that was going to look bad for me, so it was an educated vote in that regard. I tend to think you're probably good, fwiw.
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I can try. I have an ability that had a certain trigger that needed to be met. Now I'm not saying voting for you was that trigger and to be honest I wanted to go a different way today but Danny wouldn't let me. Things got a little crazier then I expected but the outcome was obviously not only a great one for the village but for me as well. |
Thanks, much appreciated Lathum.
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I definitely like Lathum more now. If he has a role that's not listed, then I'm assuming he's on our side. As Autumn pointed out, we have (had) at least 5 wolves among us. I seriously doubt we had 6.
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dola- If people want to question me I will do my best to answer them.
I'm not sure who I will vote for tomorrow, Dubb's play obviously is obviously irksom to me but his voting record doesn't point to him a s a wolf. |
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Wow, don't I look like a dumbass? Way to go, guys. I'll again argue the logic was correct--I just didn't think the wolves would make such a balls out move like that. I should have given them more credit. Have to look at the PB and Telle votes now, I would guess. |
I wonder if we hadn't hit Lathum's trigger if he would've been punished in some way or killed as well, by the statement, "but for me as well" at the end of that post.
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I worded that poorly. When I say go a different way I meant in regards to my role, not my vote. My vote was 100% my choice. |
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Were you not able to say this much earlier? Because this information would have been REALLY helpful. |
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This post bothers me. Not sure why. Anyhow, I have a feeling that I'm on the very short list for night kill targets tonight. So the only reason I'll give my strategy during a night phase is due to that. The main reason I pushed an EF lynch today was because of Telle's behavior in regards to EF and in regards to PB. I don't really have the energy right now to go back over all of my points today on why this was the only conclusion that made sense to me when all things were considered (plus I am late to run my BBCF sim as well). I think there were several people who were overly vocal about not voting PB today who were likely just very overly wrong about their reasoning. So I'm not necessarily thinking everyone who voted for PB is bad here. If I am alive tomorrow, barring seer reveal somewhere else, Telle is likely my target. After that it gets a little fuzzier for me.. I can buy what people are saying about Hoopsguy, and I think he should be considered a valuable target to scan soon perhaps, but I'm not sold on him being bad just yet because I always feel that way about him it seems. |
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I think you gave them too much credit, Chief. They didn't expect us to catch them at it but we did. |
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Yes, you did. Doesn't mean it was reasonable, though. That was a dumb play by the wolves. Still, I'm not going to quibble about us getting a wolf. |
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I don't know that it was dumb. I just think the timing of it was off because of the arrest mechanism in Abe's game - there was a lot of discussion (both between us wolves) and the village in that game about whether or not the wolves would target their own person. I think it was fresh in everyone's head. |
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Well, I would argue it was a second level approach. I would say actually the wolves maybe just flat underestimated the village. I went third level, lol, and screwed up. But glad others saw through that and got the job done. The great news is this not only provides us with tons of info in Day Two, but also on Day One. We have two close votes involving a wolf to digest. |
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Your influence is undeniable. ;) |
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Hmm, I could see that. I should have paid more attention in Abe's game, but I got really confused in that one. |
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I think it actually would have caused more problems. Things were pretty crazy already and I didn't want more confusion. Once it became evident I would be succesfull there was no need to say anything, especiallly since I liked where the lynch was headed. I think PB may be a wolf based on how the vote went down today and yesterday. |
I seriously doubt we're lucky enough to hit wolf/wolf.
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As I said at the time when a 3rd candidate was brought up, I didn't see a compelling reason to switch. I didn't know just what to make of the Lathum thing. PB got Day One votes, too. No one else really stood out a ton further than PB. Plus, I (wrongly) thought EF was innocent, and was concerned that if I moved from PB, it would seal EF's lynch by default. |
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this post elevates DT in my mind. He was the first one to float out the reasons why EF may be a wolf |
Hoops moves up as well. Wasn't he the first one pinging EF yesterday?
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He voted first on him yesterday, but IMO that doesn't really clear him. |
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If I have to go through this a third day in a row, I'm not going to bother fighting it. |
I'm going to continue to exam the possibility that PB is a Needie though. Some of his votes don't look great, and no reason to let one through our hands just because of statistics. Still, I'm going to wait for night deadline before I do too much vote thinking.
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I have the opposite view of this. Actually completely opposite. DT's posts are bothering me. He was more than happy to be the first person to jump on PB after you did last night and he only started talking about EF after myself and Autumn did. His vote was still on PB during that time. Then after the lynch today, DT made the post which I quoted earlier where he appeared to me to be taking credit for something that felt to me he was trying to slide into. I'm not more convinced that DT is bad than Telle, she is still my target tomorrow, but I definitely am not extending my trust of today's EF's vote much further than Autumn right now until I have more time to review. |
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The only thing that'd make me think you are a wolf at this point is the fact that the wolves criticized one of their own since I know you like that plan. So Im looking elsewhere first. |
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