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Ksyrup 04-29-2008 09:38 AM

They should do the AI equivalent to this one-upsmanship for Neil Diamond night!


rjolley 04-29-2008 10:09 AM

Had to look up Neil Diamond to see what songs could be in play. I'm a Believer, Red Red Wine, You Don't Bring Me Flowers, plus a few others that the name doesn't ring a bell, but I may have heard in various movies or sports programming. Has the potential to be at least interesting, especially with 10 songs total.

Ksyrup 04-29-2008 10:12 AM

First spoiler (can't confirm until the rehearsal, obviously)

Spoiler

MJ4H 04-29-2008 07:49 PM

Argh, Randy. Those aren't octaves, those are minor sixths. Painful.

Mustang 04-29-2008 07:50 PM

Oh. My. God.

OUt of all the Paula Abdul WTF moments, that one with Jason topped them all.

MJ4H 04-29-2008 07:52 PM

Yeah haha.

MJ4H 04-29-2008 07:58 PM

Did she just call Syesha Brooke?

Buccaneer 04-29-2008 07:58 PM

What are the songs so far?

Mustang 04-29-2008 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1717942)
What are the songs so far?


Sweet America, September America, Blue America, I'm a American..

Drake 04-29-2008 08:03 PM

heh.

Mustang 04-29-2008 08:07 PM

Very fast paced tonight.. almost to the point of distracting. Hell, just put all 5 of them out there at once to sing at the same time

rjolley 04-29-2008 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman (Post 1717941)
Did she just call Syesha Brooke?

Ok, I wasn't the only one who heard that. My wife didn't hear it...

Drake 04-29-2008 08:21 PM

My take:

I liked Castro 1, not Castro 2.
I liked Cook 1, but Cook 2 better.
I thought Brooke 1 was a disaster, but Brooke 2 was right in her wheelhouse.
Archuleta 1 was standard Archuleta, but Archuleta 2 reminded me of a HS choir arrangement.
Both Syesha 1 and Syesha 2 were completely forgettable.

Paula's mid-show critique was by far the high point of tonight's episode.

rowech 04-29-2008 08:23 PM

Castro blows.

Lathum 04-29-2008 08:23 PM

Paula is smashed out of her mind.

Lathum 04-29-2008 08:24 PM

I thought Syesha 2 was great

Lathum 04-29-2008 08:24 PM

dola- Cook is far and away the best of the group

Thomkal 04-29-2008 08:25 PM

Only one I really liked was Syesha's first one, the rest were either average, or in the case of Jason, awful.

korme 04-29-2008 09:58 PM

How can Paula continue to have a job

JeeberD 04-29-2008 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 1717958)
My take:

I liked Castro 1, not Castro 2.
I liked Cook 1, but Cook 2 better.
I thought Brooke 1 was a disaster, but Brooke 2 was right in her wheelhouse.
Archuleta 1 was standard Archuleta, but Archuleta 2 reminded me of a HS choir arrangement.
Both Syesha 1 and Syesha 2 were completely forgettable.

Paula's mid-show critique was by far the high point of tonight's episode.


I pretty much agree with The Drake point for point tonight...

EagleFan 04-29-2008 10:21 PM

Why is Paula still there? That was one of the oddest moments I have ever seen. Randy looked like he wanted to stop her when she first started on the second song thing but was hoping she would just shut up before it got out of control but it was too late.

Vince 04-29-2008 10:30 PM

Wow. I think the fact that no one interrupted her while she was talking just goes to show that even the people around Paula on the show aren't paying attention to her.

JeeberD 04-29-2008 10:33 PM

I thought the best part of that whole sequence was Seacrest staring offstage as if asking if someone was going to shut her the hell up...

kurtism 04-29-2008 10:41 PM

They should have seen that coming. Seriously, asking Paula Pillz to keep track of something that happened at any point more distant in the past than the preceeding 5 minutes is just begging for a meltdown. Still, I doubt they could have scripted better comedy than her "vision into the future."

Solecismic 04-29-2008 10:51 PM

The Frontier ratings for tonight:

http://www.solecismic.com/frontierblog/?p=254

Overall: After a dreadful first half hour, the contestants picked up the pace with a nice set of interpretations of very dated songs. David Cook has risen to prohibitive front-runner status.

Solecismic 04-29-2008 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 1718042)
Why is Paula still there? That was one of the oddest moments I have ever seen. Randy looked like he wanted to stop her when she first started on the second song thing but was hoping she would just shut up before it got out of control but it was too late.


They listen to rehearsal during the afternoon from their trailers, and make notes.

During the show itself, it's apparently rather difficult for them to hear in detail, so they often base their comments on those notes.

Paula, being rather addled in general, apparently confused herself over the new format for tonight, and started talking about Jason's second song, forgetting that the viewers at home had yet to hear it. She was dead on, though. I thought her criticism was more on point than usual. Which is like saying Brodie Croyle had good games and bad games this past season.

EagleFan 04-29-2008 11:29 PM

I mostly agree with Jim except I have a feeling that Syesha or Brooke will go. Somehow that Castro guy stays in the competition with women actually liking him (I still can't figure that out).

I would be okay with Brooke going as her act is getting tiresome. Syesha hasbeen one of the most improved in the group as she has seemed to get better. Castro seems to get worse each week. Cook is generally on top most weeks and should be the winner but this is about the time where he will end up losing as people start to assume he is getting votes and vote for their second favorite to try to save them (that seems to happen each year in some form or another). Archuleto (sp?) is steady but rather annoying (and boring as hell), especially the screams from the tweens that seem to like him.

Drake 04-29-2008 11:47 PM

With regards to Syesha, last week was a real eye-opener for me. I can see her going the Broadway route and being very successful. I think she has the chops to be a terrific Broadway actress/singer. I'd pay to see her, anyway.

I wouldn't pay to see a Syesha concert, though.

Drake 04-29-2008 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic (Post 1718078)
The Frontier ratings for tonight:

http://www.solecismic.com/frontierblog/?p=254

Overall: After a dreadful first half hour, the contestants picked up the pace with a nice set of interpretations of very dated songs. David Cook has risen to prohibitive front-runner status.


Heh. Jim's blog is now blocking my Firefox access because I changed my User-Agent settings to identify my browser as "Trogdor the Burninator" rather than Mozilla.

Mota 04-30-2008 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 1717314)
The themes have been awful this season.

Basically 2 weeks of the Beatles, Mariah Carey, Dolly Parton, freaking show tunes last week and now did I hear right and it will be Neil Diamond?

The only theme week I liked was the year they were born one (isn't that a regular one?).


And they complain that the singers keep sounding old fashioned. HELLO, they're singing Neal Diamond songs!

Mota 04-30-2008 04:41 AM

What seems really obvious to me is that all of the singers have been exposed during all these theme weeks. Instead of catering to their strengths, the producers have forced them to step outside of their comfort zones nearly the entire season and sing songs that they probably have never heard, and almost certainly don't enjoy.

In the end it's painfully obvious that it's David Cook for the win, and everybody else is miles behind him. I'm finding it difficult to even watch the show these days.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 06:38 AM

Words cannot describe how much I have grown to loathe Archuleta. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he's become immune to criticism. Where other contestants can perform well but get no love (Syesha), this guy goes out there and sings the same way for every song and is called "da bomb diggity" every time. How many times has even Paula called someone out for not emotionally connecting to a song, yet Archuleta goes out there and butchers (stylistically, not vocally) America, and it's universally lauded. I don't get it. He performed America like a 6 year old singing Ben Folds Five's Brick - utterly oblivious to (or flat out ignoring) the meaning of the song. Just load the track into the David Archuleta Performance Machine and hit play, baby! The spoilers at first said he was going to do I'm A Believer, and I wish he had, so this issue would have been even more obvious than it was.

Speaking of which...Brooke completely destroyed I'm A Believer. Given the Archuleta rumor (they had America right), I'm wondering if he was supposed to sing it, decided not to, and they made her sing it. Totally wrong song, way too fast, and most concerning, the tremble in her voice for the first quarter of the song was clearly evident. I was really worried she was going to lose it again. That song was maybe 2 notches above KLC's Eight Days A Week for worst performance of the season. She came back strong on song 2, though. And even better for her (off the show, obviously), Carly Simon gave her props for She's So Vain, saying Brooke sang it better than she ever could.

I thought Syesha was very good tonight, but she can't buy any love from the judges.

David Cook...first song was good, not great, but the second song was brilliantly arranged (his or not?) as SImon said, to be a hit in 2008. Sounded like a song Bon Jovi wishes he could write at this point. Interestingly, the wife and I both thought that vocally - especially on the first song - he sounded surprisingly similar to Diamond.

Castro...awful awful awful. Out of his league right now. If he stays, it will be a travesty, although I have no problem with Brooke going. She's done all she needs to do and there's no point in doing any more. Given her nerve issues, I think she can only hurt herself the longer she stays. Only reason I'd want her to stay is to see her do Smells Like Teen Spirit or Angie, Tori Amos style.

And btw, to get back to the discussion we had last week about similar styles...look at last night. Brooke, Cook, and Syesha all did something different between their 2 songs. Archuleta and Castro could have taken one song, split it down the middle, and sang both parts as their 2 songs and we'd have never known the difference.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 06:41 AM

And now that I've written that and then looked at the Dial Idol results...wow. One huge surprise, the bottom 2 falls where I think it should.

Spoiler

Eaglesfan27 04-30-2008 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang (Post 1717936)
Oh. My. God.

OUt of all the Paula Abdul WTF moments, that one with Jason topped them all.


That was the hardest I've ever laughed while watching AI. The reaction of Ryan and the contestants on stage was great.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 07:26 AM

It was so bad, Simon's first instinct wasn't to make fun of her, but to try to get her back on track. That's what I noticed...once I stopped laughing. He tried to get past it by asking her who was her favorite of the first 5 songs. But she was too out of it/shaken by the realization of what she had just done to take his cue.

Mizzou B-ball fan 04-30-2008 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1718179)
It was so bad, Simon's first instinct wasn't to make fun of her, but to try to get her back on track. That's what I noticed...once I stopped laughing. He tried to get past it by asking her who was her favorite of the first 5 songs. But she was too out of it/shaken by the realization of what she had just done to take his cue.


Yeah, someone above posted that everyone around her was oblivious to her rant. It seemed to be quite the opposite. It seemed like everyone was trying to slow the train down without injuring anyone before a derailment occured. They honestly handled it about as well as they could have. But it was definitely THE defining Paula moment thus far. Anyone who watched an episode of her reality series last year realizes that she's really that far out there.

cuervo72 04-30-2008 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 1718116)
Heh. Jim's blog is now blocking my Firefox access because I changed my User-Agent settings to identify my browser as "Trogdor the Burninator" rather than Mozilla.


That is a great name for a Fire/Fire Dominator (or maybe even a Brute).

rkmsuf 04-30-2008 07:56 AM

I loathe Archuletta as well.


As much as Castro is seen as a weird dude I think Archuletta might be a weirder dude.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 07:56 AM

I'll be interested to read the fallout about her flub. Already, one of our secretaries said the morning radio shows were going on about how AI looks fixed, etc. I guess most of America doesn't realize how the show is set up, that there is a rehearsal, that the judges usually listen to or watch that first, and that they can't really hear the actual live performances all that well from where they are on the stage, so they make their judgments early and then tweak them to the actual performance. Even someone last week told Brooke that she nailed her song during the rehearsal and it was unfortunate that she messed it up during the live show.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf (Post 1718196)
I loathe Archuletta as well.


As much as Castro is seen as a weird dude I think Archuletta might be a weirder dude.


You know what it is...he's been doing the "pageant" scene (for lack of a better term) for so long that he's like one of those child actors who completely missed his childhood. His performances are basically nothing more than an act, a shell, with no human emotion behind them. He does the same vocal runs, the same hand gestures, everything is calculated and planned out and wooden. He's 17, but he lacks any youthful spirit whatsoever, aside from being a bit socially awkward in dealing with the sudden fame (which is understandable). But he's been groomed for so long that he is completely missing any authenticity in his personality and, as a result, his performances.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 08:59 AM

...and here it starts. And this is from Slezak on EW.com, who I would think knows better. Maybe he does, but a story is still a story.




''Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!''

I know some of you are asking, ''What's a nice Wizard of Oz quotation doing in a TV Watch like this?'' But tonight, in the immediate wake of what will from here on be referred to as Paulagate, I'm feeling as duped and bewildered as Dorothy at the exact moment she realized the great and powerful Oz was just a sad old man, one who didn't have the power to send her back to Kansas, let alone provide her ragtag pals with a brain, a heart, and some courage.

Am I being melodramatic? Yeah, of course. But I can't help myself after witnessing the moment American Idol's loopiest judge made what is indisputably the biggest (and most credibility-crushing) gaffe in the show's seven-season history. (Yeah, even worse than Janay Castine's season 4 semifinal rendition of ''Hit 'Em Up Style.'')

At the midway point of tonight's Neil Diamond week performance episode, after each of the five remaining Idol contenders had sung one song apiece, Ryan Seacrest appeared to call an audible (perhaps the show was running ahead of schedule?) and asked David Cook, David Archuleta, Jason Castro, and Brooke White to join him and Syesha Mercado on stage. Ryan then asked each of the judges to quickly weigh in on the contestants' performances, before the Idols returned for their second numbers.

Let's roll the tape and get Paula's critique: ''Jason, the first song I loved hearing your lower register, which we never really hear. The second song, I felt like your usual charm wasn't...it was missing for me, it kind of left me a little empty. And the two songs made me feel like you're not fighting hard enough to get into the top four.''

When Randy jumped in and reminded Paula that the contestants had only performed one song at that point in the telecast, the typically bewildered ''Straight Up'' singer gasped, then declared, ''Oh my God, I thought you sang twice!''

Me? I hit the pause button on my DVR, needing a moment to catch my breath from a combination of shock, embarrassment, and outrage.

I don't for one second buy the explanation given by Paula herself, that she was momentarily confused and was reading her notes for David Cook; if that was the case, how come she changed course, seconds later, and told Cook he was ''fantastic''? And I find it hard to believe Paula's flub was simply the result of her boarding the La-La Express; her critique of Jason's performance was far too specific. (Note the use of ''charm,'' a noun attributed to the Dreadlocked Dude all season.)

Nope, as far as I'm concerned, Paula's blunder heard 'cross the nation — click here to watch a video clip and to read Adam B. Vary's report of how it played inside the Idol studio — can only be explained one of two ways:

A. Paula took notes during Idol dress rehearsals and used them (at least in part) to critique the televised live performances.

B. Paula was reading from notes given to her by the show's producers.
Either way, Idol has some serious explaining to do.


The idea that Paula, or any of the judges, would base their comments on dress rehearsals is preposterous. In my mind, Paula, Simon, and Randy should neither see nor hear the contestants' warm-ups, and even if they do, how is it that they're not explicitly instructed to give feedback only on the same set of performances the viewing public sees on their TV screens?

And if there's a chance that something more nefarious is going on, that Paula's comments are pre-scripted by someone other than her, then I've got a feeling I won't be the only Idol fan wondering if there's any way Fox can make amends and give me a reason not to walk away from the show I've loved and obsessed over for seven straight seasons.

I know, I know, a lot of you are probably shaking your heads, wondering if I'm taking my conspiracy theory a little too far. Or else you're thinking, ''We've already seen the man behind the curtain, Slezak! He's in all the ads for So You Think You Can Dance!'' But consider: Only seven nights ago, I was wondering aloud in my TV Watch column if the judges were reading off pre-written cue cards after they failed to call out Little David for forgetting his lyrics on ''Think of Me.'' At the time, I wasn't being literal.
Sigh.

Kodos 04-30-2008 09:06 AM

I agree that the Paula Abdul moment was hilarious. They really need to get someone credible in there.

It seems like Cook can adjust to just about any musical style they throw at him. On the other hand, I would love to see Nirvana week -- imagine Archuleta trying to Disneyize one of their songs. :)

rkmsuf 04-30-2008 09:09 AM

When is Lita Ford week?

Kodos 04-30-2008 09:12 AM

Castro could do "If I Close My Eyes Forever". Archuletta could turn "Back To The Cave" into an up-tempo, inspirational number.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 1718281)
I agree that the Paula Abdul moment was hilarious. They really need to get someone credible in there.

It seems like Cook can adjust to just about any musical style they throw at him. On the other hand, I would love to see Nirvana week -- imagine Archuleta trying to Disneyize one of their songs. :)



"I'm so ugly, that's OK cause sooooo are youuuuuu!"

rjolley 04-30-2008 09:13 AM

Syesha will never win. I've always thought she was the second best woman and the fourth or fifth best overall at the beginning behind David A, David C, Carly, and possibly Michael Johns. She doesn't get support from the judges, which may help her in an odd way, and she has improved throughout the show, more than anyone else. She's compared by people to Whitney, but I don't think she tries to emulate her now. She did early on in the contest, realized she wasn't going to come close, and started adjusting her style to fit her vocal range.

I have no idea how Brooke and Castro are still there. After 7 weeks of hearing them, they really seem like very limited singers. Brooke does not seem comfortable singing uptempo songs and doesn't have much of a range at all. The only reason she outlasted Carly is still a bit of a mystery to me. Maybe it was the tattoos, maybe it was the attitude. But in singing ability, Carly should've stayed. And Castro. What is there to say besides WHY!?!?

David A is definitely the Michael Bolton of the show. And he could make a career doing power ballads. Look at Bolton, Vandross, et al. What I'd like to see is David nailing an uptempo number and look like he's enjoying it.

David C has definitely impressed me throughout the show. I didn't think he'd last 3 weeks, but he has made smart choices and used smart arrangements for most of his songs. Whether they're his or not, he's done the best at varying his style and showing versatility.

My final 3 from here would be the Davids and Syesha with the Davids battling it out for the top spot. But the way the votes are going, I think it'll be an all-male top 3, with the Davids and Stoner Castro.


Oh, and is it just me, or is David C's head a little large?

rjolley 04-30-2008 09:15 AM

Dola, in Paula's defense, I thought Ryan said at the top of the show that the singers were going to perform twice, and the judges would comment after the second performance. Maybe he misspoke.

JeeberD 04-30-2008 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1718197)
Even someone last week told Brooke that she nailed her song during the rehearsal and it was unfortunate that she messed it up during the live show.



I believe that was Andrew Lloyd Webber and not one of the judges, FWIW...

JeeberD 04-30-2008 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 1718281)
I agree that the Paula Abdul moment was hilarious. They really need to get someone credible in there.

It seems like Cook can adjust to just about any musical style they throw at him. On the other hand, I would love to see Nirvana week -- imagine Archuleta trying to Disneyize one of their songs. :)



So, if/when Cook makes it to the final and they give him the schlocky contest winner song, would he be ALLOWED to rearrange it? I know Blake didn't rearrange the song last season, but there really wasn't a beat in that song for him to do his thing with. I'm just curious if they're forced to sing it straight or if they can do their own thing with it...

rkmsuf 04-30-2008 09:23 AM

What is the theme next week?

Perry Como's greatest hits?

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjolley (Post 1718294)
Dola, in Paula's defense, I thought Ryan said at the top of the show that the singer were going to perform twice, and the judges would comment after the second performance. Maybe he misspoke.


He did, and that's what the conspiracy theorists are jumping all over. Like Slezak says, either they listen to the rehearsals and shouldn't, or the "opinions" are on cue cards and handed to them. Someone pointed out that it was suspicious last week when no one mentioned Archuleta's screw up. Could be because they've been told what to say, or a general direction to steer him to the finals?

You all know I'm big on conspiracy theories, but this one I don't buy into. I don't think they are controlling it down to what comments the judges make, nor do I think it is inappropriate for the judges to listen to the rehearsals. How many times have we seen Simon complain about the acoustics from where he's sitting or not hear a Ryan comeback during one of their fabricated cat fights?

Mustang 04-30-2008 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjolley (Post 1718291)
Oh, and is it just me, or is David C's head a little large?


It's large. I believe even David C referred to his noggin as something a super villian might have.


Oh, and if anyone thinks that the judges aren't influenced by the dress rehersals and jot down notes to use was just fooling themselves. I'm sure they come up with the bulk of it and change it depending on what happens live, but there is too much going on from a noise level standpoint to not do this.

There are alot of things AI does to influence voting patterns. From the rotation they sing in to the comments they say. Paula's gaffe wasn't a bombshell, but rather a 'gee.. you're an idiot". The only bombshell I could think of would be if they discarded votes or just flat out ignored the votes and proof come out.

Mustang 04-30-2008 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf (Post 1718306)
What is the theme next week?

Perry Como's greatest hits?


19th century Victorian music. David C is going to do a mad arrangement with a calliope and a zither.

Mizzou B-ball fan 04-30-2008 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkmsuf (Post 1718306)
What is the theme next week?

Perry Como's greatest hits?


Weird Al Week.

Who's gonna sing "Amish Paradise"?

rkmsuf 04-30-2008 09:38 AM

Weird Al week would be AWESOME!

MJ4H 04-30-2008 09:43 AM

Actually Perry Como week would be better. And I would seriously enjoy a Weird Al week.

What's the matter with you people, Perry Como rules.

Pumpy Tudors 04-30-2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mustang (Post 1718314)
19th century Victorian music. David C is going to do a mad arrangement with a calliope and a zither.

This is pretty much the funniest thing I've read all year.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1718341)
This is pretty much the funniest thing I've read all year.


Too much Kathy Griffin and not enough reading, apparently.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 02:54 PM

Theme for next week is supposedly songs that shaped or inspired rock 'n roll. Rumor is that this list of songs is what they will choose from:

http://www.rockhall.com/exhibithighlights/500-songs/

rjolley 04-30-2008 03:01 PM

Ok, there are some interesting songs on that list, and I'm just on the first page. Tennessee by Arrested Development? Planet Rock? Loser? The Breaks by Curtis Blow? Can I assign songs? I'd pay money to see David A performing Le Freak by Chic or Brooke performing Give Up the Funk by Parliament.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 03:02 PM

Knowing AI, they will take that list and whittle it down to 25 songs or something.

Mustang 04-30-2008 03:27 PM

Well, if Brooke makes it, she really could break out Amos's version of Smells Like Teen Spirit then...

Buccaneer 04-30-2008 06:07 PM

Why call it a conspiracy theory? I have not known one single episode in the history of TV that wasn't directed, scripted, produced or edited to present the best product to its consumers and advertiser.

IrishHand 04-30-2008 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1718847)
Why call it a conspiracy theory? I have not known one single episode in the history of TV that wasn't directed, scripted, produced or edited to present the best product to its consumers and advertiser.


qft

Mota 04-30-2008 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1718847)
Why call it a conspiracy theory? I have not known one single episode in the history of TV that wasn't directed, scripted, produced or edited to present the best product to its consumers and advertiser.


Yeah but this show pretends to be based on reality.

I do disagree with that, as long as they keep tallying the voting numbers internally and don't disclose the percentages to the viewing public. Who's to say who got the highest and lowest number of votes?

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 10:08 PM

So I missed the fist 20 minutes or so as my DVR decided not to record what I clearly told it to record (and my wife was a witness). Anyway, did they say anything about Paula's flub, try to explain it, come clean, or did they just skip it?

EagleFan 04-30-2008 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1718956)
So I missed the fist 20 minutes or so as my DVR decided not to record what I clearly told it to record (and my wife was a witness). Anyway, did they say anything about Paula's flub, try to explain it, come clean, or did they just skip it?


They came out with a "We're all behind Paula" statement in respnse to rumors reated to the screw up.

EagleFan 04-30-2008 10:56 PM

WTF does Castro have to do to get voted off this damn show?!?!? Obviously sucking big time isn't working.

Ksyrup 04-30-2008 11:08 PM

Women love him, big time. "You haven't looked into his eyes." That was a comment I got from one lady today at work. Sheesh.

Also, I didn't pay close attention...did they actually say Brooke and Syesha were the bottom 2? I don't think they did, but I'm not sure. According to Dial Idol, Syesha was not only safe, she had the highest score of the week. Once I saw Castro and Archuleta safe, I knew Brooke was going.

Rizon 04-30-2008 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1718956)
So I missed the fist 20 minutes or so as my DVR decided not to record what I clearly told it to record (and my wife was a witness). Anyway, did they say anything about Paula's flub, try to explain it, come clean, or did they just skip it?


Yes ... awkwardly.

Mustang 05-01-2008 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 1718976)
WTF does Castro have to do to get voted off this damn show?!?!? Obviously sucking big time isn't working.



Dude makes the Terminator and Rasputin look like wimp outs.

I'm starting to believe he could go up there and make fart noises with his hand and armpit and make it through.

Mota 05-01-2008 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1718977)
Women love him, big time. "You haven't looked into his eyes." That was a comment I got from one lady today at work. Sheesh.

Also, I didn't pay close attention...did they actually say Brooke and Syesha were the bottom 2? I don't think they did, but I'm not sure. According to Dial Idol, Syesha was not only safe, she had the highest score of the week. Once I saw Castro and Archuleta safe, I knew Brooke was going.


They never said the bottom 2. They said one of you is safe, and the other one is going home.

My guess? They were trying to protect David Archuleta who had the 2nd lowest number of votes.

Ksyrup 05-01-2008 06:27 AM

That's what I thought. Very possible they were saving Archuleta. It was him or Castro, by a wide margin. No way Syesha was bottom 2. I'd be pissed as hell if I was her. She has been absolutely shit on the last few weeks. She's never been great, but she was mediocre until a few weeks ago, and it's like her hitting her stride wasn't in the AI script, and they're doing all they can to not let her be the wild card who screws up the all-David finale.

Ksyrup 05-01-2008 06:53 AM

You know what else is possible...Castro was bottom 2, but they didn't want it to appear that Paula's flub cost him votes, so they spared him bottom 2, couldn't put Cook or Archuleta there, and it was Syesha by default. I could buy that.

Eaglesfan27 05-01-2008 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1719014)
You know what else is possible...Castro was bottom 2, but they didn't want it to appear that Paula's flub cost him votes, so they spared him bottom 2, couldn't put Cook or Archuleta there, and it was Syesha by default. I could buy that.


That is the most likely scenario to me. It was clear to me that Syesha was not in the bottom 2 as Ryan was very careful to never say this was the bottom 2.

Also, the Paula support statement was very awkward.

Lathum 05-01-2008 07:26 AM

i missed the support statement, did they offer any excuse or anything?

JeeberD 05-01-2008 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mota (Post 1719001)
My guess? They were trying to protect David Archuleta who had the 2nd lowest number of votes.


But if a fan favorite falls into the bottom 2 (or 3), doesn't that usually get them more votes the next week as people try to protect him/her? If Archuleta was actually in the bottom two and they sent him to the couch, seems like that would hurt him, not help him...

rkmsuf 05-01-2008 07:49 AM

Nothing was better than Castro and his goofy stoner smile behind brooke as she's bawling her eyes out and the other contestants are consoling her. Then you have dreds boy playing pocket pool over her left shoulder trying not to laugh.

Eaglesfan27 05-01-2008 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1719029)
i missed the support statement, did they offer any excuse or anything?


Just that it was a live show and they threw an audible at her. Nothing more was explained.

Ksyrup 05-01-2008 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1719046)
But if a fan favorite falls into the bottom 2 (or 3), doesn't that usually get them more votes the next week as people try to protect him/her? If Archuleta was actually in the bottom two and they sent him to the couch, seems like that would hurt him, not help him...


In this case, I don't think so. I think it would show that his support has fallen off big time.

I think Syesha benefited from Carly leaving, and took a lot of her votes.

Arles 05-01-2008 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf (Post 1719051)
Nothing was better than Castro and his goofy stoner smile behind brooke as she's bawling her eyes out and the other contestants are consoling her. Then you have dreds boy playing pocket pool over her left shoulder trying not to laugh.

I agree. This guy is like the crazy villain at the 1 hour, 10 minute mark of a two hour movie. Everyone watching knows he is snowing the others and has bad intentions, yet it seems no one in the movie can catch on.

He's a complete buffoon with zero awareness of his surroundings. I think they could have a vote off where they say "Jason, you were in the bottom 2, but you are now safe because a bus ran over two other contestants this afternoon.' I guarantee his response would be "Cooool" with a sh*tkicker grin.

I almost hope he wins so we can find out 2 months later that half his neighbors were hacked into pieces in his basement fridge while he was performing on AI.

Ksyrup 05-01-2008 01:30 PM

Carly Simon congratulated Brooke White on her success on Fox and Friends this morning. Brooke was completely surprised and delighted. Carly says that Brooke has a distinctive sound, which is probably what kept her from advancing further. She also tells Brooke that she “loves” the way she did “You’re So Vain”, and that she herself could never do the song as well as Brooke.

Mizzou B-ball fan 05-01-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1719418)
Carly Simon congratulated Brooke White on her success on Fox and Friends this morning. Brooke was completely surprised and delighted. Carly says that Brooke has a distinctive sound, which is probably what kept her from advancing further. She also tells Brooke that she “loves” the way she did “You’re So Vain”, and that she herself could never do the song as well as Brooke.


After leaving the studio, Carly Simon was arrested for drug possession.

Mota 05-01-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD (Post 1719046)
But if a fan favorite falls into the bottom 2 (or 3), doesn't that usually get them more votes the next week as people try to protect him/her? If Archuleta was actually in the bottom two and they sent him to the couch, seems like that would hurt him, not help him...


With Archuleta being extremely repetitive and boring in the last several weeks, showing him in the bottom 2 would probably validate what a lot of people are thinking about him (that he's not that great), even while the judges are laying on the praise to manufacture him as a star. At this point they don't want to show any weakness on his part.

And yes, I think that's exactly the opposite of when a favorite gets a boost following a bottom 2 week. Point is that I don't think Archuleta is a favorite anymore.

Buccaneer 05-01-2008 06:57 PM

It seems like the past few seasons, we always had a top 3/4 where anyone of those could win. This year, we have a top 1 and then it drops off badly. Can anyone believe that Castro or A would be in the top 4?

MJ4H 05-01-2008 07:03 PM

A? Archuleta? Of course. That one was easy.

Buccaneer 05-01-2008 07:06 PM

How would Archuleta stack up with previous top 4s (talent-wise, recording artists, not counting the Saysha-type votings)? That makes sense?

MJ4H 05-01-2008 07:07 PM

About average. I'd have to see a list to formulate an exact opinion, but that would be my guess based on feel.

Mota 05-01-2008 09:43 PM

I bought into the hype of Archuleta being the male Hannah Montana for the first several weeks. Then I realized he is a one trick pony, and robotic as is mentioned earlier in the thread. This guy will disapear FAST after that tour is done. Clay Aiken he ain't.

Let's hope that this was the last week of the specific singers themes. I don't think they could possibly pick a worse bunch of singers for these kids to cover. You wonder why you're not connecting with the singers, and then you realize they probably never heard of any of these songs until the last week, and probably don't even like the songs on top of that. How are they supposed to convince millions of people that they are truly superstars despite this? The producers are setting them up for failure and not success.

Mustang 05-01-2008 09:49 PM

The 4's

Kelly Clarkson
Justin Guarini
Nikki McKibbin
Tamyra Gray

Ruben Studdard
Clay Aiken
Kimberley Locke
Joshua Gracin

Fantasia Barrino
Diana DeGarmo
Jasmine Trias
LaToya London
(weakest of the 4's.. easily Idol's worst season IMO)

Carrie Underwood
Bo Bice
Vonzell Solomon
Anthony Fedorov

Taylor Hicks
Katharine McPhee
Elliott Yamin
Chris Daughtry
(post idol, might be the strongest group along with season 2)

Jordin Sparks
Blake Lewis
Melinda Doolittle
LaKisha Jones

Syesha Mercado
David Archuleta
David Cook
Jason Castro

Probably in the middle. I'd rate Clarkson, Gray, Studdard, Aiken, Locke, Gracin, Barrino, Underwood, Bice, McPhee, Yamin, Daughtry, Sparks, Lewis, Doolittle, Cook above him... (maybe not solely on singing, but more of a combination of singing, talent and just who I consider more entertaining...)

Edit : Syesha also after the last few weeks

Buccaneer 05-01-2008 09:50 PM

I actually listened to each of the Top 5 performances in youtube and just couldn't believe the difference in quality. Brooke was ok, Sayesh (whatever her name is) is purely stage quality while Castro and Archuleta were embarassingly poor. I don't get how anyone can think they can sing and perform at a professional level, unlike David Cook who was great (but he needs to work on his appearance).

Buccaneer 05-01-2008 09:51 PM

Thanks Mustang (and MJ4H), that doesn't say much if Archuleta is considered average.

MJ4H 05-01-2008 09:53 PM

You should probably watch more than one of his performances before not getting how someone can have any opinion different than yours when that person has watched all of his performances. At least, that would be my suggestion. Take it or leave it.

MJ4H 05-01-2008 09:56 PM

Out of that group I would place David A ahead of:

Nikki, Joshua, Jasmine, Diana, Anthony, Vonzell, Taylor, Blake, Lakisha, Jason Castro, and about even with Syesha (also about even with Elliott Yamin). He was very, very good earlier in the season, but hasn't been very consistent and has had a few flaws exposed since then. He is still very, very good and easily worthy of top 4 or 5 in this season.

Just my opinion.

Mustang 05-01-2008 09:56 PM

Amazingly, I don't consider Castro the worst of that group. That honor goes to Diana DeGarmo for me... ugh..

MJ4H 05-01-2008 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang (Post 1719760)
Amazingly, I don't consider Castro the worst of that group. That honor goes to Diana DeGarmo for me... ugh..


There are several worse than both of those. Hello? Jasmine Trias?

Mustang 05-01-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman (Post 1719762)
There are several worse than both of those. Hello? Jasmine Trias?


I can't dispute that either. That whole season was an e'fin train wreck. But, either way, seems we are on the same wavelength.

Ksyrup 05-01-2008 10:04 PM

I don't even remember someone named Vonzell Solomon. I do remember Anthony Federov, though. What a weak top 4 that was, even factoring in Underwood's success.

Mustang 05-01-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 1719771)
I don't even remember someone named Vonzell Solomon. I do remember Anthony Federov, though. What a weak top 4 that was, even factoring in Underwood's success.


I always liked Bice, not one of the top vocals in AI's history, but I'd put him towards the top as one of the better entertainers.

Buccaneer 05-01-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman (Post 1719754)
You should probably watch more than one of his performances before not getting how someone can have any opinion different than yours when that person has watched all of his performances. At least, that would be my suggestion. Take it or leave it.


I'll probably leave it because from what I have read and heard, his performances this week were not atypical and were considered to be decent. So knowing that this week's performances by him were not exceptional (bad or good), then I would say they would be a good indicator. Jim G said, "I think Archuleta is just preening for the camera at this point, and I have no idea why the judges are so thoroughly behind him." I don't either.


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