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Coffee Warlord 01-10-2008 03:39 PM

It's a mixed back (the board), from what I've heard.

Apparently, a lot of boards have a deathwish, and basically will implode with frightening regularity.

path12 01-10-2008 04:51 PM

My fans are pissed at me right now because during a five game losing streak I haven't changed up my tactics. Apparently I'm too "rigid" or something like that. I do change up my instructions pretty regularly in my 442, I guess they don't take that into account.

Interesting though to get that news item though, it's one I hadn't seen before.

Critch 01-10-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ice4277 (Post 1632568)
Are you allowed to play SPL games at your home stadium? I think IRL they would make you play at a stadium w/ higher capacity, like Gretna this season.


Yeah, they shouldn't be allowed to play at home with under 6k capacity, as with Gretna. Pretty sure the under-soil heating is a requirement too. Shouldn't cost that much though, Gretna are building a completely new stadium with under-soil heating for 2.5mil pounds.

Critch 01-10-2008 08:38 PM

Can anybody spot the strangeness here?



Spoiler


Never seen anything like that before, is it a reported bug?

Cringer 01-10-2008 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critch (Post 1633012)
Yeah, they shouldn't be allowed to play at home with under 6k capacity, as with Gretna. Pretty sure the under-soil heating is a requirement too. Shouldn't cost that much though, Gretna are building a completely new stadium with under-soil heating for 2.5mil pounds.


I am kind of pissed about that then. I wish my team had been forced to upgrade the stadium. I am using $, and the undersoil cost me over 3 million. With a team that took 5 years to get up to $3-4 million, and then started losing it as I upgraded players to compete in the SPL, it was way too much. I wouldn't have cared if it was for seating.

ice4277 01-10-2008 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critch (Post 1633062)
Can anybody spot the strangeness here?



Spoiler


Never seen anything like that before, is it a reported bug?


I was going to say it was Chelsea actually scoring 3 times in a match :)

NoSkillz 01-10-2008 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critch (Post 1633062)
Can anybody spot the strangeness here?



Spoiler


Never seen anything like that before, is it a reported bug?


Perhaps they thought the injured player would come back to the game at some point?

Critch 01-10-2008 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSkillz (Post 1633094)
Perhaps they thought the injured player would come back to the game at some point?


Maybe, but he'd been off for 10 minutes before they used their last substitute so unlikely.

One thing that's not strange is that even in a fake universe with fake players, an Englishman can't get near the Arsenal team.

daedalus 01-11-2008 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan (Post 1632464)
I have posted some skins in here in the past, tried them, but didn't find one I really like. Couldn't get use to Steklo's possession/commentary bar on top of the pitch in the game screen. Found the black-in 2 font too small. Found the Xenon theme too aggressive (I mean bold font everywhere) and some text didn't fit in right because of the big fonts. For some reason, even downloading a modified default skin with different attribute colors didn't work for me. But now I think I have just found my new favorite skin, the one I'll stick on for quite a while.

It's called dDs 2.1 and you can download it here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/79648588/dDs2.1.zip

finally got around to unpacking it and trying it out. nice. less dark than black-in 2 and the font does not seem to have the same problem. quite easy on the eye.

i couldn't get into steklo at all.

Shepp 01-11-2008 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critch (Post 1633062)
Can anybody spot the strangeness here?



Spoiler


Never seen anything like that before, is it a reported bug?


I've seen this issue posted over at the SI board already. This is one of the issues that I mentioned a couple of pages back that is really keeping me from starting any serious leagues.

DaddyTorgo 01-11-2008 08:26 AM

idk...how often does that really happen? I think you just hafta sorta...suspend-disbelief and move past it.

not to say it's fine and shouldn't be fixed...but to me something like that isn't like...enough to make me not play the game.

It's a game, it's not perfect.

Coffee Warlord 01-11-2008 09:35 AM

So...what exactly is "Concerned about the lack of managerial discipline" mean when you have a squad discipline rating of 18, are in the lower half in the league for yellow cards, and have had only 1 person given sent off all season?

wbatl1 01-11-2008 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 1633260)
So...what exactly is "Concerned about the lack of managerial discipline" mean when you have a squad discipline rating of 18, are in the lower half in the league for yellow cards, and have had only 1 person given sent off all season?


Did you get it after choosing not to fine a player? That is when I got it, and I guess one of my "professional" players took exception to the fact that I didn't think the sending off deserved a fine. I don't know enough about it/haven't seen it enough to know the causes...

Coffee Warlord 01-11-2008 09:41 AM

I think that may be the case, yeah.

Seems a bit...odd. I never fine for reds, and this has never come up before.

Shepp 01-11-2008 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1633224)
idk...how often does that really happen? I think you just hafta sorta...suspend-disbelief and move past it.

not to say it's fine and shouldn't be fixed...but to me something like that isn't like...enough to make me not play the game.

It's a game, it's not perfect.


I'm not expecting perfection but I do expect a solid simulation. I don't think that its to harsh to say that a side plays a man short after an injury hurts the integrity the game. Not to mention this problem hasn't been in previous versions.

FrogMan 01-11-2008 02:14 PM

Anybody knows if there's any downside with using the "compress savegame file" option? Or otherwise, any pros for not using the option?

I'm asking because I used to never have this ticked on in previous version but saw that it was on a day or two ago. Compressed savegame in November of 2008 was 43 Mb or about. I unticked the box and saved the file under another name and boom, the thing jumped to a whopping 187 Mb or so. :eek:

I'm not sure I saw a significant difference between loading/saving time but I'm wondering if there's less of a chance of my savegame becoming corrupted if I save it uncompressed vs compressed. I mean, it's not like I really need the disk space or anything, so while it's a big difference, 187 vs 43 is pretty much a non issue here...

FM

FrogMan 01-11-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shepp (Post 1633319)
I'm not expecting perfection but I do expect a solid simulation. I don't think that its to harsh to say that a side plays a man short after an injury hurts the integrity the game. Not to mention this problem hasn't been in previous versions.


to each his own but I agree with DaddyTorgo. I mean, it's not as if it's happening every time there's an injury on the computer controlled team, is it? It would probably kill the game if it did, but the rest of the whole gaming experience is just too good for me to pass it up and wait for the next patch...

Speaking of which, there's only been a beta patch so far, right? Will there only be one more and that's it? Anybody from SI care to comment?

FM

cartman 01-11-2008 02:18 PM

Not subbing for a player that has been taken off is actually pretty common, especially if there is only one sub remaining. Many times a coach would rather spend time trying to get the player fixed up and sent back out rather than use their final sub, if there is even a slight chance the player can get back onto the pitch.

Passacaglia 01-11-2008 02:25 PM

I think the compressed save game needs to be unchecked if you want to use the saved game for any utilities.

DaddyTorgo 01-11-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1633421)
Not subbing for a player that has been taken off is actually pretty common, especially if there is only one sub remaining. Many times a coach would rather spend time trying to get the player fixed up and sent back out rather than use their final sub, if there is even a slight chance the player can get back onto the pitch.


yep. I assumed everyone was aware of this. And in that game you're up 3-1...so you have a little "cushion" as it were. And nothing shows...they could have dropped players back to cover for the injured player and just stalled...we have no idea

path12 01-11-2008 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan (Post 1633420)

Speaking of which, there's only been a beta patch so far, right? Will there only be one more and that's it? Anybody from SI care to comment?

FM


My understanding from skims of the SI forums is that there is one more patch that is scheduled to come out sometime in February, but I've seen nothing official.

SackAttack 01-11-2008 04:33 PM

So I decided to try my hand at starting at the Blue Square South level, and am now running Maidenhead United.

$400k wage budget, no transfer budget, no scouts, no youth coach, no nothing. This is going to be awesome, in a sadistic sort of way.

Passacaglia 01-11-2008 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 1633476)
So I decided to try my hand at starting at the Blue Square South level, and am now running Maidenhead United.

$400k wage budget, no transfer budget, no scouts, no youth coach, no nothing. This is going to be awesome, in a sadistic sort of way.


Get a parent club, and loan from their reserve team like you're a kid in a candy store.

Critch 01-11-2008 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1633455)
yep. I assumed everyone was aware of this. And in that game you're up 3-1...so you have a little "cushion" as it were. And nothing shows...they could have dropped players back to cover for the injured player and just stalled...we have no idea


Actually they were 3-1 down and trying to get back into the game, they had a player off the pitch injured for 10 minutes before they chose to use their one remaining sub on somebody else. As the injured player never returned they ended up playing the last 20+ minutes with 10 men. It was also 1st v 2nd in the league, so not a meaningless game.

It's definitely a bug, but I agree it's not regular enough to put off starting a career for. I've seen it once in countless seasons.

DaddyTorgo 01-11-2008 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critch (Post 1633544)
Actually they were 3-1 down and trying to get back into the game, they had a player off the pitch injured for 10 minutes before they chose to use their one remaining sub on somebody else. As the injured player never returned they ended up playing the last 20+ minutes with 10 men. It was also 1st v 2nd in the league, so not a meaningless game.

It's definitely a bug, but I agree it's not regular enough to put off starting a career for. I've seen it once in countless seasons.


I stand corrected

SackAttack 01-11-2008 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia (Post 1633537)
Get a parent club, and loan from their reserve team like you're a kid in a candy store.


A bold idea.

Similar question to my earlier one about feeder teams, but slightly different in approach - if I request a parent club, do I need to focus on an English side, as that's the only country I have active?

FrogMan 01-11-2008 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 1633260)
So...what exactly is "Concerned about the lack of managerial discipline" mean when you have a squad discipline rating of 18, are in the lower half in the league for yellow cards, and have had only 1 person given sent off all season?


come to think of it, Matthew Spring had that tag on my team for a little while and lost it after I gave Eric Skora that warning for bad performance for his 4 form rating (see my dynasty for more info ;)). Guess your player feels you're a softie with a big heart, that's all. :)

FM

vex 01-11-2008 10:22 PM

Ok, I d'led the demo but I don't seem to have sound in my matches. Is there any obvious reason why this might be? Thanks.

Critch 01-11-2008 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vex (Post 1633577)
Ok, I d'led the demo but I don't seem to have sound in my matches. Is there any obvious reason why this might be? Thanks.


If it's the "Vanilla" demo you have, sound isn't included to make it a smaller download. Was your download about 100mb? If so, that's the one.

vex 01-11-2008 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Critch (Post 1633583)
If it's the "Vanilla" demo you have, sound isn't included to make it a smaller download. Was your download about 100mb? If so, that's the one.



I can't recall how large the file was atm. It says it's the gold, but that's all I know.

Cringer 01-11-2008 11:43 PM

This game has me so completely sucked in right now I have not been able to tear myself away for the last 5 hours. I could seem sad I guess, but I am sitting in the truck in a truckstop all weekend pretty much, so the only thing it delayed me from doing is posting this. :D

So I went into my 2nd SPL season with the Albion Rovers. Got screwed over by my board with the under soil heating, going into the red for it. Sold several players and fighting to keep others who wanted to leave. I signed several 18-20 year olds to fill the holes, along with a 27 yr old MR. Talk about a wild ride since!

After finishing 7th in my 1st season up in SPL, I was lucky enough to get an invite into the EURO Vase. (I am trying to keep this short, really I am) I start off going through my friendlies, always scheduling teams who should be better then mine, and do pretty well. Reading became my parent club but had little to offer. I start the SPL season at home against Rangers and Kilmarnock, winning both and crapping my pants about it. I then get shot out of the sky and lose 4 straight, manage some draws with a couple more loses and end up going 9 matches without a win. During this I am going through the EURO Vase though, and winning. I got into the EURO Cup, woohoo! I start to fight my way back a little in the SPL but it is up and down. As that happens I find myself going into the Group stage of the EURO Cup, woohoo again! Finally I think I find the tactic that my team works best with, maybe the team is gelling some as well, and I start to win some SPL games. I finally figured out I had to crank down my training with all these games as well.

Anyways, I end up getting draws in my first two EURO Cup group games, against Panathinaikos and FC Twente. I go into the third game against Paris-Saint Germain hoping for another, thinking if I can manage that I might sneak out of the group stage. Instead I win, 1-0. All these teams had much better talent IMO, so I was very excited. That clinched me a Q for that round, and I then lost at my parent club Reading in the final match. I can't believe I have made it this far, with this team. It frickin' rocks to say the least. I am also up to 5th in the SPL.

At the begining of January now, and just sold Doherty, my MC I had since he was 16 and had just become my captain at 21 this year. I wasn't going to do it but the timing of him getting restless again and me realizing I can play without him after he missed over a month sealed the deal. I have a couple kids ready to take his place.

One last thing. My goalkeeper Bell just won't die. I got him when I spent a year in SD2. One year I tried to replace him and ended up going back to him early in the season. After a year in SPL I figured I needed to upgrade, he wasn't cutting it. Plus he really wanted to go to a bigger club, though he is not a big ratings guy. So I signed on free transfer a good goalie 4 years younger at 23, and according to everyone better then Bell. I tried to sell Bell, even at 1/4 his value, but no one would take him so I ended up holding onto him even though he was still unhappy. I went through 19 games(including non-SPL) with the new guy starting, and he wasn't doing so good in the SPL games. I figured screw it, I would try Bell again. He started a couple games, did great, so I kept it up and figured I would try to offer him a deal even though he said he still didn't want one. He took it, hasn't left the lineup since, and has a rating of 7.50. The guy just won't go away I guess.

OK. Maybe I should start a dynasty for long posts like this. :D

Cringer 01-11-2008 11:45 PM

Dola- forgot one of the best parts. Selling Doherty, and all the EURO Cup wins has me a couple million in the black now. The board better not blow this chunk of change either.

MrBug708 01-12-2008 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack (Post 1633560)
A bold idea.

Similar question to my earlier one about feeder teams, but slightly different in approach - if I request a parent club, do I need to focus on an English side, as that's the only country I have active?


Most likely. Unless you found a way to loan in some super stud greyed out players :)

vex 01-12-2008 12:48 AM

Is there a WWSM patch out?(DL version)

BYU 14 01-12-2008 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer (Post 1633611)
OK. Maybe I should start a dynasty for long posts like this. :D


WWSM dynasties are all the rage now Cringer......we have a nice 3 way fued going between Luton, Notts and Millwall :)

Marc Vaughan 01-12-2008 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1633620)
Most likely. Unless you found a way to loan in some super stud greyed out players :)


I'd suggest having 'parent' clubs from active nations - however the game is setup to increase the activity of clubs which are linked to clubs in active nations (ie. if you take an inactive club as a parent they should get more youoth players coming through - but it might take time for this to become apparent obviously, they won't appear 'on the spot').

FrogMan 01-12-2008 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vex (Post 1633624)
Is there a WWSM patch out?(DL version)


there's one patch available to bring the game to 8.0.1, here are some links:
Worldwide Soccer Manager 2008 – Boxed Retail

PC (Boxed Retail)
http://204.155.67.168/patch/fm08/WSM2008_v8.0.1_Patch_Boxed.exe

PC Mirror (Gamershell):
http://www.gamershell.com/download_22113.shtml

PC Torrent (Boxed Retail):
http://torrents.sigames.com:7000/torrents/wsm2008_801_b...C2ED084D31A685EBB4CD

Mac (Boxed Retail):
http://204.155.67.168/patch/fm08/WSM2008_v8.0.1_Patch.dmg

Mac Mirror (Gamershell):
http://www.gamershell.com/download_22114.shtml

Mac Torrent (Boxed Retail):
http://torrents.sigames.com:7000/torrents/wsm2008_801_b...06DD2191D82951826B2B

If you are using a digital version and purchased your game through Boonty, IGN or eSellerate, the following patches are available:

Worldwide Soccer Manager 2008 – Digital Download

PC (Digital Download)
http://204.155.67.168/patch/fm08/WSM2008_v8.0.1_Patch_All_Digital.exe

PC Mirror (Gamershell):
http://www.gamershell.com/download_22115.shtml

PC Torrent (Digital Download):
http://torrents.sigames.com:7000/torrents/wsm2008_801_d...1A5BFE9DB24CE95542EC

Mac (Digital Download):
http://204.155.67.168/patch/fm08/WSM2008_v8.0.1_eSellerate_Patch.dmg

Mac Mirror (Gamershell):
http://www.gamershell.com/download_22116.shtml

Mac Torrent (Digital Download):
http://torrents.sigames.com:7000/torrents/wsm2008_801_d...80607C3513EA7B3DEC80



So, does this mean I succeeded in getting you to buy the game? ;)

FM

MrBug708 01-12-2008 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 1633648)
I'd suggest having 'parent' clubs from active nations - however the game is setup to increase the activity of clubs which are linked to clubs in active nations (ie. if you take an inactive club as a parent they should get more youoth players coming through - but it might take time for this to become apparent obviously, they won't appear 'on the spot').


I have noticed that as well. When I take a team as a feeder team who have no one active, they end up eventually getting a few players in

vex 01-12-2008 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrogMan (Post 1633667)
there's one patch available to bring the game to 8.0.1, here are some links:

So, does this mean I succeeded in getting you to buy the game? ;)

FM


Your dynasty and about 1 hour of demo play was all it took:) Thanks for the links!

Cringer 01-12-2008 11:16 AM

Hey Marc, since you are around here today..... :D

What is up with the SPL not requiring my Albion Rovers to increase their stadium size when I got promoted? I am pretty sure it used to be that way, and someone also said that is how it is in real life. Something like a minimum of 6000 capacity? I sure as heck would have prefered to go into the red for more seats then for under soil heating I didn't really need yet.

MrBug708 01-12-2008 12:18 PM

I've had my stadium plans shot down by the local town council, maybe they don't want it any bigger?

Cringer 01-12-2008 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1633768)
I've had my stadium plans shot down by the local town council, maybe they don't want it any bigger?


If it was something like that then fine. The question though is why is in not forced to have a minimum capacity to be in the SPL? Albion Rovers have a stadium that holds just over 1200 people. As someone said, in real life the SPL requires a minimum capacity of 6000. I am pretty sure in past versions of this game the increase in capacity was forced.

FrogMan 01-12-2008 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vex (Post 1633728)
Your dynasty and about 1 hour of demo play was all it took:) Thanks for the links!



:cool:

FM

MrBug708 01-12-2008 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer (Post 1633774)
If it was something like that then fine. The question though is why is in not forced to have a minimum capacity to be in the SPL? Albion Rovers have a stadium that holds just over 1200 people. As someone said, in real life the SPL requires a minimum capacity of 6000. I am pretty sure in past versions of this game the increase in capacity was forced.


Not sure how it works in Scotland, but I doubt Congress will bow to the wishes of MLB, NFL et al. My last few attempts to boost Selhurst Park to anything bigger then mid range 60,000 has been shot down. But based on the google image of the stadium, I don't blame them. There is a nice empty lot across the street though that I would like to see them eventually expand into. I'll probably have to settle for third highest home crowd in England at this point. :)

It does seem odd, but you are fighting your natural progression in FM by not taking a bigger job :)

My only major annoyance is the former players facing my team. Sure I can live with it but I prefer to not

Cringer 01-12-2008 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1633804)
Not sure how it works in Scotland, but I doubt Congress will bow to the wishes of MLB, NFL et al. My last few attempts to boost Selhurst Park to anything bigger then mid range 60,000 has been shot down. But based on the google image of the stadium, I don't blame them. There is a nice empty lot across the street though that I would like to see them eventually expand into. I'll probably have to settle for third highest home crowd in England at this point. :)

It does seem odd, but you are fighting your natural progression in FM by not taking a bigger job :)

My only major annoyance is the former players facing my team. Sure I can live with it but I prefer to not


My problem is one or two things if expanding the stadium is just not possible. First, either tell me it isn't possible so I know that. Second, it was possible in previous versions of the game so just screw real life in this case and expand it. I have seen video of Cliftonhill though, and there is some room around there to expand the stadium some.


I have a bigger problem right now though. Going up 3-0 in the first 20 minutes of a match only to lose 4-3. And to do it at home to Rangers after I just knocked them out of the Scottish Cup at their stadium 6 days prior. Damn team, they drive me insane.

lighthousekeeper 01-13-2008 12:15 AM

currently going through FM withdrawl syndrome, as my computer will be out of service for the next 2 weeks.

i hope a new patch will come out in about 2 weeks time. i'm surprised a patch isn't out yet.

Shepp 01-13-2008 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper (Post 1634422)
currently going through FM withdrawl syndrome, as my computer will be out of service for the next 2 weeks.

i hope a new patch will come out in about 2 weeks time. i'm surprised a patch isn't out yet.


I'm not suproised that its not out yet. If the previous two versions are any indicator, the patch will be out in the first part of Feb. to coincide with the data update, after the Jan. transfer window closes.

Toddzilla 01-13-2008 09:01 AM

In case you haven't seen it, I'm lobbying SkyDog for a dedicated FM forum (similar to the Hattrick one). I'd like to see us able to break out the 15 different discussions going on in this thread to separate ones on a dedicated sub-forum. Hope this is agreeable with the rest of you addicts. :)

Ryan S 01-13-2008 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 1634471)
In case you haven't seen it, I'm lobbying SkyDog for a dedicated FM forum (similar to the Hattrick one). I'd like to see us able to break out the 15 different discussions going on in this thread to separate ones on a dedicated sub-forum. Hope this is agreeable with the rest of you addicts. :)


If enough people want a new forum, it might be better to turn the hattrick forum into a general soccer forum as it is not getting much traffic these days.

Toddzilla 01-13-2008 09:41 AM

Again, the intent isn't to shuffle the FM guys out of the OT thread, rather to enable us to have multiple threads in a dedicated sub-forum, for tactics, troubleshooting, etc. instead of cramming them all into one klugy mess.

Miller Time 01-13-2008 11:52 AM

I'd be curious to see the number of people that have purchased FM/WWSM because of this thread and other similar threads in past years.

Creating a new forum would limit the number of people who stumble upon the game. I know I found out about the CM series through this board way back.

That said, I agree a separate forum would be convenient and easier to navigate the numerous discussions that go on in this thread.

cartman 01-13-2008 12:06 PM

I wonder if it would be possible to do an RSS feed from the Off Topic forum to populate a FM/WWSM forum. That way the threads stay in Off Topic, but there would be a separate forum where the threads would be aggregated.

Coffee Warlord 01-13-2008 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1634551)
I wonder if it would be possible to do an RSS feed from the Off Topic forum to populate a FM/WWSM forum. That way the threads stay in Off Topic, but there would be a separate forum where the threads would be aggregated.


That just seems way redundant to me.

Though I do think there's enough FM fans here to make a good strategy/tips/whatever forum workable. Especially since the quality of SI's boards is, well, shit. :) It'd be nice to have a good one.

Icy 01-13-2008 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan S (Post 1634475)
If enough people want a new forum, it might be better to turn the hattrick forum into a general soccer forum as it is not getting much traffic these days.


This is a good idea too.

BigDPW 01-13-2008 01:15 PM

I am playing as Stevenage Borough (The Boro) and need some advice from you guys.

Okay so I picked up some key signings in my first season and once my team settled we clinched the BSP title with 3 matches left.

Already aquired in the 1st season -
Joe Tillen AML (he and Cole split time at ML)
Sheku Kamara DM (plays great but needs more stamina)
Colin Nicholson GK (I overpaid salary for him but he is my keeper for many more years to come but also one of the reasons I am loosing money)
Liam Atkin DRC (I am not convinced he will make it in League 2 and Lawrie Wilson is pushing him hard for the DR spot)
Steven Reilly DL (Again he played well in BSP but I am not convinced he will hack it in LG2)

That is it for my previously carried out permanent signings - I was able to set up a parent team with Arsenal (hated to do it as a Spurs fan but my only other option was Fulham -- bleck) I had some key and not so key loans during year 1 especially at MC (Henri Lansbury) and ST Rhys Murphy.

I need help figuring out how to make the transition to League 2. I have always played as Spurs in years past and have always had a hard time getting into the lower league stuff but this version has me hooked on lower leagues as it seems more immersive than before in those leagues.

I have never taken a lower league team and gotten promoted (mostly because I have never stuck with a LL game that long). Any advice about how to keep moving up the ladder toward The Championship and/or Premiere League would be helpful.

Should I turn over most of my team except the few outstanding players?

I know I should continue to make shrewd loans for great players that will come to me but what positions do you prefer to get on loan?

Should I keep some of my reserve guys around that never play just for depth or just pray for a decent greyed out player if I need depth in order to save salary?

Do I scout the league above me/below me for good players or just stick to scouting "nations" and "regions"? - Last season I scouted League 2 and English Under 18s and Reserves and found some good guys that may help me if I can get them on a free this offseason.

Those are just some of my questions... Any advice about how to keep things rolling as I move up a league would be appreciated.

I posted this in a seperate thread so you can feel free to offer advice here or there... http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...48#post1634648

MrBug708 01-13-2008 01:16 PM

Here is the picture of the kid who was labeled as one of the best of his generation


MrBug708 01-13-2008 01:16 PM

Look at the current Euro Championship Brackets. Group B is a killer group, but look at England's bracket


DaddyTorgo 01-13-2008 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1634638)
Look at the current Euro Championship Brackets. Group B is a killer group, but look at England's bracket


ROTFLMAO

Cringer 01-13-2008 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDPW (Post 1634635)
I am playing as Stevenage Borough (The Boro) and need some advice from you guys.

Okay so I picked up some key signings in my first season and once my team settled we clinched the BSP title with 3 matches left.

Already aquired in the 1st season -
Joe Tillen AML (he and Cole split time at ML)
Sheku Kamara DM (plays great but needs more stamina)
Colin Nicholson GK (I overpaid salary for him but he is my keeper for many more years to come but also one of the reasons I am loosing money)
Liam Atkin DRC (I am not convinced he will make it in League 2 and Lawrie Wilson is pushing him hard for the DR spot)
Steven Reilly DL (Again he played well in BSP but I am not convinced he will hack it in LG2)

That is it for my previously carried out permanent signings - I was able to set up a parent team with Arsenal (hated to do it as a Spurs fan but my only other option was Fulham -- bleck) I had some key and not so key loans during year 1 especially at MC (Henri Lansbury) and ST Rhys Murphy.

I need help figuring out how to make the transition to League 2. I have always played as Spurs in years past and have always had a hard time getting into the lower league stuff but this version has me hooked on lower leagues as it seems more immersive than before in those leagues.

I have never taken a lower league team and gotten promoted (mostly because I have never stuck with a LL game that long). Any advice about how to keep moving up the ladder toward The Championship and/or Premiere League would be helpful.

Should I turn over most of my team except the few outstanding players?

I know I should continue to make shrewd loans for great players that will come to me but what positions do you prefer to get on loan?

Should I keep some of my reserve guys around that never play just for depth or just pray for a decent greyed out player if I need depth in order to save salary?

Do I scout the league above me/below me for good players or just stick to scouting "nations" and "regions"? - Last season I scouted League 2 and English Under 18s and Reserves and found some good guys that may help me if I can get them on a free this offseason.

Those are just some of my questions... Any advice about how to keep things rolling as I move up a league would be appreciated.



I am far from an expert, but I will give my two cents based on moving the Albion Rovers from the SD3 and am now finishing out my 2nd SPL season after moving them up the ranks.

First off, I dig deep for talent. I will look through the complete list of players in the game, looking at one position group at a time. I sort by contract so I am looking at guys out of contract first. You may not want to go to this depth, especially because it can be a crap shoot sometimes when you only have a few of a guys ratings to look at.

Anyways, one thing I did was I would grab 18-19 yr old English kids who's teams never resigned them. I have a few of those guys who have trained well enough that they went from SD2 with me all the way up to SPL and are still part of the team. Being an English team I would think it should be a little easier for you to grab some of these guys, some of them just don't want to go to Scotland. Search the high levels U19 teams for guys to grab, and their reserves for guys to loan. No shame in having your top 2-3 players be loan guys if it is getting you wins. Go from team to team in the EPL and Champ. League looking for guys who you would want. Throw out a lot of offers if you need to and pick and choose from the guys who accept.

Make sure you can train your guys as best as you can. From what I am seeing, whatever the number of coaches your board limits you to, you can actually go 5 over that before they stop you.

It sounds like you have a tight budget, and the things I have done (except maxing out the coaches you have) are usually cheap ways to bring in some talent. Hope it helps a little.

edit: as far as how much turnover you have that is up to you. I would usually try to keep it low, but I know when I jumped from SD2 to SD1 i ended up with a lot of turnover. Same when I moved from SD1 to SPL. It makes it rough at the begining of the season but if you actually upgraded your talent it will help in the end and you can stay up.

BigDPW 01-13-2008 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cringer (Post 1634670)
I am far from an expert, but I will give my two cents based on moving the Albion Rovers from the SD3 and am now finishing out my 2nd SPL season after moving them up the ranks.

First off, I dig deep for talent. I will look through the complete list of players in the game, looking at one position group at a time. I sort by contract so I am looking at guys out of contract first. You may not want to go to this depth, especially because it can be a crap shoot sometimes when you only have a few of a guys ratings to look at.

Anyways, one thing I did was I would grab 18-19 yr old English kids who's teams never resigned them. I have a few of those guys who have trained well enough that they went from SD2 with me all the way up to SPL and are still part of the team. Being an English team I would think it should be a little easier for you to grab some of these guys, some of them just don't want to go to Scotland. Search the high levels U19 teams for guys to grab, and their reserves for guys to loan. No shame in having your top 2-3 players be loan guys if it is getting you wins. Go from team to team in the EPL and Champ. League looking for guys who you would want. Throw out a lot of offers if you need to and pick and choose from the guys who accept.

Make sure you can train your guys as best as you can. From what I am seeing, whatever the number of coaches your board limits you to, you can actually go 5 over that before they stop you.

It sounds like you have a tight budget, and the things I have done (except maxing out the coaches you have) are usually cheap ways to bring in some talent. Hope it helps a little.

edit: as far as how much turnover you have that is up to you. I would usually try to keep it low, but I know when I jumped from SD2 to SD1 i ended up with a lot of turnover. Same when I moved from SD1 to SPL. It makes it rough at the begining of the season but if you actually upgraded your talent it will help in the end and you can stay up.


Thanks. I will keep looking at young guys and see who I can come up with. My goal is to develop young/cheap depth players that may turn into something down the road and get rid of all the mediocre 24 and up players that I rarely use. I keep trying to look for guys that have solid physical stats and some key stats for there position that are solid as well. I hate that when I send my scout to look at someone for a "report" it doesn't reveal the ratings. They have to see them play for that which is hard when I want to look at a guy after the offseason has begun...

BigDPW 01-13-2008 01:52 PM

Anyone know when you get prize money for winning the league and TV money for the upcoming season?

bhlloy 01-13-2008 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDPW (Post 1634708)
Anyone know when you get prize money for winning the league and TV money for the upcoming season?


I believe you get it in installments the following year, which blows at the beginning of the season when you have no funds available for new players but you know there is a ton of money on the way.

Cringer 01-13-2008 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDPW (Post 1634702)
Thanks. I will keep looking at young guys and see who I can come up with. My goal is to develop young/cheap depth players that may turn into something down the road and get rid of all the mediocre 24 and up players that I rarely use. I keep trying to look for guys that have solid physical stats and some key stats for there position that are solid as well. I hate that when I send my scout to look at someone for a "report" it doesn't reveal the ratings. They have to see them play for that which is hard when I want to look at a guy after the offseason has begun...


Going for good physical stats is a good way to go. I like the fastest defenders and strikers I can find on lower levels. A speedy striker with a decent finishing rating can do really good for you even if he isn't so hot in other areas you would normally like him to be, just because he can blow by a not so fast defense and get more chances for shots on goal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDPW (Post 1634708)
Anyone know when you get prize money for winning the league and TV money for the upcoming season?


I could be wrong when it comes to English leagues, but I would think your money for winning the league would come not long after the season ends. It might be right before the new season officially starts though. Your TV money should be right when the new season officially begins.

NoSkillz 01-13-2008 02:07 PM

Can anyone tell me about player value in this game? Is the dollar amount game generated? Is it dynamic? If so, does the value change once a year or more/less often?

I'm just about to start my dynasty with Cambridge City of the BSS and I have a couple of youngsters that have values in excess of $15,000 and I just wonder how that figure was generated and if I can even get half of that if I try to transfer them out.

DaddyTorgo 01-13-2008 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSkillz (Post 1634724)
Can anyone tell me about player value in this game? Is the dollar amount game generated? Is it dynamic? If so, does the value change once a year or more/less often?

I'm just about to start my dynasty with Cambridge City of the BSS and I have a couple of youngsters that have values in excess of $15,000 and I just wonder how that figure was generated and if I can even get half of that if I try to transfer them out.


it's game-generated and dynamic. Not sure how often it changes...but it doesn't change like on a schedule or anything as far as I can tell.

what you will get for them depends on how in-demand their position is by teams with money and how talented they are vis-a-vis the other available players and the perception of how eager you are to get rid of them (transfer-listing a player will usually net you less because the perception is that you are eager to get rid of them)

Cringer 01-13-2008 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSkillz (Post 1634724)
Can anyone tell me about player value in this game? Is the dollar amount game generated? Is it dynamic? If so, does the value change once a year or more/less often?

I'm just about to start my dynasty with Cambridge City of the BSS and I have a couple of youngsters that have values in excess of $15,000 and I just wonder how that figure was generated and if I can even get half of that if I try to transfer them out.


SOmething I have wanted to know. I know the game is in control of the value listed for a guy, and it can move up or down. It usually tends to drop some if a guy is nearing the end of his contract, just because there is less reason for a team to pay top dollar for him. Overall though I have no idea what causes movement.

As far as going up, I have always wondered what drives it. I had a kid who from the time he was 16 was doing well. He quickly went from the Irish U19 team up to starting on the regualr Irish national team before he was 21. SPL and EPL teams all wanted him. His value never went up as much as I thought it should though, and I was only able to sell him for $500,000. I am thinking his value never got higher because teams knew being a small team $500,000 was still a good chunk of money for me.

Since being in the SPL though, I have seen guys go up in value as they do well on a bigger stage. I had one guys value shoot up to $2,000,000 recently.

As far as trying to transfer guys out, it is hit or miss. The more time on a contract the more money you can get for a guy then if he only has 6 months left or so.

MrBug708 01-13-2008 02:21 PM

I've noticed that player value flucuates as theuy play more in the season. At the end of the year, if a talented player is left out of the starting lineup for most of the year, he seems to have less value

Icy 01-13-2008 02:36 PM

You can also change that player value anytime yourself, but i only do it when i want to make a huge raise to one of my stars players that is being followed by other teams to steal him from me, and that way i can get less transfer offers for him, or in case i get one, it might be good enough to make change my mind about not wanting to transfer him.

NoSkillz 01-13-2008 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 1634790)
You can also change that player value anytime yourself, but i only do it when i want to make a huge raise to one of my stars players that is being followed by other teams to steal him from me, and that way i can get less transfer offers for him, or in case i get one, it might be good enough to make change my mind about not wanting to transfer him.


You can change the value?? I thought you can only change the asking price, a different figure...

Icy 01-13-2008 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoSkillz (Post 1634975)
You can change the value?? I thought you can only change the asking price, a different figure...


Oops, true my bad, i mixed things up.

Critch 01-13-2008 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigDPW (Post 1634708)
Anyone know when you get prize money for winning the league and TV money for the upcoming season?


I've just won the English Premier League and got the prize money right after the final league game of the season. 20.5mil pounds.

From memory you get a chunk of cash just before the start of the season for season ticket sales, then the TV money over the season.

p.s. Count this as a vote for MrBug's strange formation. Trying it out with Chelsea they won the EPL by 19 points (1 defeat all season, 0-1 home to Man Utd), won the League Cup, won the FA Cup and reached the semi of the Champions League (lost to Valencia, the Chelsea squad was seriously bashed up by injury).

MrBug708 01-13-2008 05:01 PM

I've decided that the biggest issue with that tactic and the positions is that it's often hard to find great WB's for it. What's cool is that after a certain amount of time, the greatest eleven for the team changes to this formation. I was worried about that because I had Rhoys Wiggins as the greatest DL when I had a few great WB's until it switched over and he was no longer part of it.

PineTar 01-13-2008 07:12 PM

Just chiming in with my support of the forum request. One thing I'd like to point out is the fact that unlike any of the other non-FOF text sim developers, Marc Vaughan has been posting regularly at FOFC for years. I think that should tip the scales when contemplating the implementation of an FM forum.

wbatl1 01-14-2008 04:18 PM

So what was the final decision about a sub-forum or combination with the Hattrick Forum? I see that we are discussing quite a few things over there now, but the title is still just "Hattrick".

Cringer 01-14-2008 04:24 PM

I guess it was changed to Hattrick/FM for a bit last night and then SD changed it back for some reason.

We are talking FM over there now anyways. Not sure what the deal is but might as well get some use out of the space.

Now I am trying to think of what can take over the PC/Console Game forum. :)

WSUCougar 01-16-2008 07:17 PM

Amazing!
 
I've never seen anything quite like this kid.

Keep in mind that I always play lesser teams and work my way up in FM/WWSM. In this case, it's Danish team FC Nordsjælland, who I've taken to the Premier League level. But we're still talking relative obscurity, with typically weak youth pulls.

Now along comes this Finnish kid, Hannu Karlsson. Looks like pretty standard fare for us...nothing to get excited about. Until he sees the field. Now look at his stats!


MrBug708 01-16-2008 07:38 PM

Wrong forum :)

Solid stats. But it's non competitive games?

WSUCougar 01-16-2008 07:58 PM

U-18

Toddzilla 01-16-2008 09:40 PM

WSU - let me know if you're interested in 08 - I still owe you one...

aran 01-17-2008 07:51 PM

How accurate are a scout's assessment of potential signing?

I'm playing with attribute masking off as I get used to the game and how football leagues work in general. A player I have my eyes on gets a fairly negative assessment from my scout, though I like his ratings. Should I trust him? I'm running a small team (Spanish Second Division) and my scout has above 10 in the relevant attributes for estimating ability.

DaddyTorgo 01-17-2008 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aran (Post 1638398)
How accurate are a scout's assessment of potential signing?

I'm playing with attribute masking off as I get used to the game and how football leagues work in general. A player I have my eyes on gets a fairly negative assessment from my scout, though I like his ratings. Should I trust him? I'm running a small team (Spanish Second Division) and my scout has above 10 in the relevant attributes for estimating ability.


wrong forum. We have taken over the hattrick forum for FM

Blade6119 01-28-2008 05:17 PM

One major problem i have with this game is when you start with an alternate universe, which i love doing so i dont have any pre-concieved plans or players, salaries do not shift like players attributes. For instance, with Manchester United i had pretty terrible reserve players making 11 million a year and valued at 40 mil. Not only would no one pay even 1k for him, he wont take a lesser contract. So most of my wage budget is tied up in useless reserve players my scouts think are potentially average coca-cola championship players. Its frustrating to say the least, especially when you have guys in the U-18s making 4-5 mil a year despite being youth players and never playing.

samifan24 02-03-2008 10:46 PM

Ok so I just started my first career with Oldham in FM 2008 with the latest patch. I began with two scouts and have lost both of them in a matter of three weeks, before our season even began. I read about others having this problem in their careers but I thought it was a bug and was fixed by the latest patch. What gives?

DaddyTorgo 02-03-2008 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samifan24 (Post 1650593)
Ok so I just started my first career with Oldham in FM 2008 with the latest patch. I began with two scouts and have lost both of them in a matter of three weeks, before our season even began. I read about others having this problem in their careers but I thought it was a bug and was fixed by the latest patch. What gives?


please see the hattrick / FM forum

rowech 03-24-2008 10:09 PM

Can this game be played on an American xbox 360 or an American PSP or is it British versions only?

Marc Vaughan 03-25-2008 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowech (Post 1691003)
Can this game be played on an American xbox 360 or an American PSP or is it British versions only?


I'm not sure about the 360 - but I know the PSP is region free and can be played on a PSP from anywhere in the world.

(same is true of all PSP games incidentally - its only the movies which are locked, I believe the same is true of the PS-3 although I've only imported ISS so far)

Flasch186 03-25-2008 03:52 PM

huh, I can play a PSP game on the PS3?

Marc Vaughan 03-25-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 1691431)
huh, I can play a PSP game on the PS3?


No - although I never understood why they didn't put a UMD drive on the PS-3 for this and movie playing purposes.

More that if you import a PS-3 UK game I believe it'll work in other regions PS-3's, be warned though while I know 100% that this is true with the PSP I have only tested this theory with one game for the PS3 but that worked fine.

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-26-2008 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 1691447)
More that if you import a PS-3 UK game I believe it'll work in other regions PS-3's, be warned though while I know 100% that this is true with the PSP I have only tested this theory with one game for the PS3 but that worked fine.


PS3 is completely region free on games, but not movies. You can play any game from Europe or Japan on a North American PS3.

Marc Vaughan 03-26-2008 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1692036)
PS3 is completely region free on games, but not movies. You can play any game from Europe or Japan on a North American PS3.


Cool thanks for affirming that - I thought it was, but was a bit leery of saying so without knowing 100% :D

Ryan S 03-26-2008 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1692036)
PS3 is completely region free on games, but not movies. You can play any game from Europe or Japan on a North American PS3.


The PS3 is only region free in HD, if you still use an SDTV you may run into problems.

Cringer 03-26-2008 02:02 PM

I am region free in any mode or format. Just FYI.

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-26-2008 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan S (Post 1692424)
The PS3 is only region free in HD, if you still use an SDTV you may run into problems.


Display shouldn't matter. You can play any game on any PS3 using any TV that you can connect to.

Ryan S 03-26-2008 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1692434)
Display shouldn't matter. You can play any game on any PS3 using any TV that you can connect to.


It does matter as NTSC and PAL have different resolutions, and a NTSC PS3 will not be able to display a PAL game on an NTSC display as it is not set up to cope with the extra lines. I don't know how this affects TVs that can handle NTSC/PAL output.

This link explains it better than I can.

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-27-2008 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan S (Post 1692580)
It does matter as NTSC and PAL have different resolutions, and a NTSC PS3 will not be able to display a PAL game on an NTSC display as it is not set up to cope with the extra lines. I don't know how this affects TVs that can handle NTSC/PAL output.

This link explains it better than I can.


Nearly all PS3 games have adjustable screens where you can stretch or shrink the size of the display. That should take care of those issues.

Marc Vaughan 03-27-2008 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan S (Post 1692580)
It does matter as NTSC and PAL have different resolutions, and a NTSC PS3 will not be able to display a PAL game on an NTSC display as it is not set up to cope with the extra lines. I don't know how this affects TVs that can handle NTSC/PAL output.

This link explains it better than I can.


Out of interest is this still the case with HD modes or just SD?

(as I'd have hoped they'd have matched up for HD modes at least)

Pumpy Tudors 03-27-2008 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1692967)
Nearly all PS3 games have adjustable screens where you can stretch or shrink the size of the display. That should take care of those issues.

If the comments in Ryan S's link are right, the PS3 doesn't seem to have a scaler. Without a scaler, it can't force 576i into 480i. I don't know anything about the PS3 specifically, but it would need a scaler to output anything besides the game's supported display(s), wouldn't it?

Ryan S 03-27-2008 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 1693042)
Out of interest is this still the case with HD modes or just SD?

(as I'd have hoped they'd have matched up for HD modes at least)


The PS3 is definitely region free in HD.

Mizzou B-ball fan 03-27-2008 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1693060)
If the comments in Ryan S's link are right, the PS3 doesn't seem to have a scaler. Without a scaler, it can't force 576i into 480i. I don't know anything about the PS3 specifically, but it would need a scaler to output anything besides the game's supported display(s), wouldn't it?


The PS3 does have a upscaler in it, but it goes from 480i to 720p. So in the case of 576i, it would be a manual stretching or shrinking of the image (bigger or smaller) rather than a true upscale/downscale of that image. In that sense, you're technically correct.

whomario 04-13-2008 02:21 PM

sorry for abusing this topic, but :

Could anybody send me the "aurora" skin for FM 2006 via email or upload them somewhere ? Have tried to find it for the better part of today, no luck with a working link.
Just reinstalled FM2006 and had my old save game on a CD, too. Just was the idiot for not storing the skins somewhere ...
mail : [email protected]

would be great .


in adition : Any advice on how to make the game run faster ?


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