Schmidty as a target last night surprises me, unless one of the killers thought they could get a decent amount of money from him to help their cause in some fashion.

I'm glad I decided to go to the opium den, hopefully I witnessed something.

No PM yet, but with fog and being in a different district than the murders I'm not all that hopeful of quality info today.

I think Hyde murdered Schmidty.

Let's see where this gets us:

Night 1, Hyde murders SnDvls at Whitechapel.
Night 2, Hyde murders Fouts at Whitechapel.
Night 3, Hyde murders Schmidty at Commerical.

He changed his hunting ground last night. If anyone knows who might be a suspect for these locations, it might be prudent to start there.

Have the nights flip-flopped on Fouts/SnDvls - not sure that matters but might as well be correct.

As far as the Werewolf is concerned, we know he killed on Night 2 (Tyrith) in Commercial. That's it.

Do we think Swaggs is the guy who killed Tyrith? If so, then that makes him the Werewolf. I need to look over the thread to come to some conclusions.

Thanks hoops, I read my notes wrongly. Fixed below.

Again, pretty sure Tyrith died on Night 1. Defintely was Commercial, which was where he lived (personal info revealed in prostitute/john relationship).

Yeah, I was considering staying home, but all this talk about opium peaked my curiosity and wanted to get high instead of getting laid. Hopefully I have some sort of meaningful vision.

Attitudes like that make it hard to earn a living in this town. Well, that and the multiple homicidal maniacs running around ...

Well, that was a waste of money. I dreamt I was Godzilla and ate Queen Victoria and every Londoner looked Japanese.

And, again, I was robbed... little stinkers.

Bah! I don't have days on my stuff, so the same mistake was made there as well. *grumble*

Well, that's a little more interesting there. The WW struck on Night 1, but didn't on Night 2 or 3. I wonder why...

Haha.

I should have used my hard earned money on a whore instead, you're right. I was curious, what do you guys do with that money? Ya'll get hired at least once a night I'm assuming but we've yet to know what that money is used for.

Sorry RA, too many slip ups for my taste.

Vote Raiders Army

We actually lose money each night on expenses, so it is important for us to collect those 5 shillings on some kind of a regular basis to avoid starving.

Total wasted evening - no one was in Bishopsgate last night! I saw no one at all; maybe fog, maybe others choosing different locations.

What slip ups? If the fact that my notes were wrong on which day each guy died (and I was consistent with the two (i.e., Day 2 vs. Day 1)) makes you think I "slipped up" because I'm a baddie, then it's very curious that you would vote for me.

I'm out for the morning in a few minutes, but like yesterday I'll throw this vote out there:

VOTE LONESTAR GIRL.

Oh yeah, even though you might be popping off my trusted list soon, DC, I don't want to send anyone (cough, Blade, cough) off on you because you voted for me. I'd prefer to stick to the guys that haven't been vouched for in the game at all yet. To my knowledge, those two are Lonestar Girl and Swaggs (who's in jail).

Interesting evening for me.

I think/hope there are now some folks who can vouch for and hopefully they learned enough to clear me altogether.

I will be back in the afternoon and have some more time to play.

Theory on the WW. Let's postulate a theory. Let's say these are a given:

He killed on Night 1 (not Night 2 above).
The WW is not someone vouched for on Night 1.


If we make the assumption that he can kill every other night, why wouldn't he kill on Night 3?

There are three possibilities in my mind:

1. He was in jail (who might be Swaggs?)
2. His target was in jail (who might be Swaggs?)
3. He was blocked by the bodyguard

Are there any other possibilities out there?

He has a conversion power? Think that would be another possibility. But if we started with four bad guys who can independently kill I have it lower on the list.

Knowing order of actions would make it easier to consider Swaggs possibilities. Do people think there is any significance to the Swaggs arrest being listed last?

VOTE SALDANA

In a way, I find it doubtful that he would have a conversion power. I think that we would've heard something in a night description to indicate as such. Also, I think it would imbalance the game towards the baddies. You've GMed a game so you might have more insight into the latter point.

I don't want yesterday repeating itself.

Unvote Raiders Army

I'll be off a few hours, I need some rest.

Blade, is the vote for Saldana event-driven (night PM) or gut-driven?

I'm gone for the morning. I will be back during lunch.

Event

And VOTE NO LYNCH SWAGGS

Swaggs, do you know who can vouch for you, or do you just know somebody can?

Can swaggs talk? I dont think izulde could while in prison, so i wouldnt expect swaggs to be able to either

I thought Izulde simply wasn't allowed to vote. Swaggs has already posted at least once.

I'm also pretty surprised by the Schmidty kill, as I think most of us could have been talked into lynching him.

I was hoping to find out something about Schmidty's murder, as I was in commercial last night, but I found out zilch even though I was close by.

You don't need to worry, i learned all we need to know about schmidty's killer

Fine then. Seems silly to quibble, though why you wouldn't come out with details I fail to understand.

Vote saldana

Id like to salvage any chance i have of surviving the night, especially now that mr. w has passed and he was my strongest ally, both during the day and at night.

I'll grab some popcorn and wait for the showdown, I guess ...

Blade, do you have any information on how MrW's role worked? It sounds like you interacted with him earlier in the game.

*ghost form*

I demand BLOOD in revenge my for my death!

...feel free to sacrifice blade or something if you can't find who you think the real killer is. I'm just kind of vengeful in general.

*ghost fades*

[NOTE: This post is totally OOC and irrelevant to the game.]

I wont be around for the next 3-4 hours, but i can tell you 100% that you should vote for saldana and you should free swaggs. Im willing to swear on the WW bible for both.

And whoever bid for the urchin last night bid a lot, so i think it was saldana, which also means bad guys can take actions we have been clearing people for. I just know i bid 10 and was rejected, so someone bid more. Saldana said he would bid 13, so if he did we can like i suspected no longer trust the customers of the prostitutes either.

We had 0 information, but i figured out his role after night 1. He figured out mine after seeing me on night 1. We both protected pieces of info about the other, but we did not interact. We just happened to notice things we didnt feel important to share as they would have given away each others role. I believe he also witnessed me on night 2, which further gave him trust in me, and due to his not giving me up my trust in him increased as well. We never directly interacted, but we had enough times where one saw the other do something for us to trust each other and know what role the other possessed

Blade, at this point in time you feel it doesn't make sense for you to comment on either piece of information you have - about Swaggs or Saldana?

Im not sure how much my role still remains hidden...i think it depends on who everyone believes me to truly be, and if i have any chance of making it through the night alive.

OK, so how about pre-emptively sharing who you believe may have interacted with you last night? That should help provide a list of people who could support your story before someone else comes in to try and muddy the waters.

The person i interacted with last night is now in prison, and im not sure if he can talk in my defense or not. You saw me on night 2 interact with schmidty, and he turned up good. So you can assume i wasnt converting him. Therefore, when i say swaggs is good and saldana bad, you should prob. trust me.

The frustrating part is that both of the people you have interacted with at night (Schmidty and Swaggs) have not been available - for different reasons - to comment on this.

I feel like I know what role you might have, but some of your comments earlier in the game when you said you would reveal the name of your role - and that it might seem damaging - have me concerned that I'm assigning you something incorrectly.

If you have the role I think you have then it would be pretty tough for Saldana to put up an argument that I would accept.

I lied about my role i claimed, that much is clear. I dont have to bid 10 gold, and i dont make 2 gold per night. So it could go to reason that i lied about the title too, no?

It doesnt help me that everyone i talk with has died or been arrested, and that includes night 1. Think back to yesterday..Mr. W trusted me and knew my role..how would mr. w know the role i claimed. Think here hoops, has blade ever done fake role reveals to cover his real role? I cant hint much more then this, and likely this is too much.

Just want to say, good luck folks.

Blade, the challenge with you basically comes down to determining what team you are lying for :)

Seriously, I have thought through what you are talking about in the last post already. But at this point I'll sit back and wait to see how Saldana and others respond to this. If I had to cast a vote this moment I would follow your lead. But I don't, so I'll wait for more info to process before doing so.

Dola - I don't just mean the challenge this game but the challenge most games.

And I do not mean it as a slam, as I'm all for revealing partial information, with a good-guy lie thrown in from time to time if it is likely to further the cause.

What more info do you expect? Saldana will likely claim to have hired the urchin, will likely now lie about it incriminating me somehow, and it will come down to he said she said. I had the complete trust of our Town Watchman, you have seen me interact with players who have since turned up good, and i have put my neck on the line and in the limelight three times, with the urchin, alans lynch, and to some extent lathums lynch. A bad guy wouldnt make all those moves, but i have to go like i said for a few hours. I hope you understand.

Oh, and now you understand why it was pissing me off you kept pushing about what the meeting with schmidty was about, and mr. w and i kept telling you to shut up. Sharing what happened would have given me and my role up, and i would have died last night. Instead, i can clear the person now in prison and damn saldana as mr. hyde.

The problem with your "three times in the limelight" is that you misrepresented the urchin information to isolate a prostitute. You were wrong on Alan (can certainly agree there were mitigating circumstances). So two of the three that you cite are not casting you in the best of lights.

The Mr Wednesday trust is the strongest argument for you as a good guy right now in my eyes. And I consider it a pretty important piece of information. Without that I would be significantly more skeptical of anything you had to say at this point in the game.

Hoops, if i was a bad guy i would make this claim about someone on my dis-trust list. Saldana has been on my trust list most of the game. When i went after alan it was he who supported my claims about the bidding proccess. He would make an odd choice if i was evil and trying to frame him

I'm way behind. Catching up now.

Dola, if anyone remembers(well, i guess alan would and i just got him killed) this similar events happened in the football WW game. On day 2 i made a mistake, but on night 2 i blocked a bad guy, grammat, and learned who he was. Day 3 i came out, and then later he fake revealed back and people trusted him over me. Dont let it happen again.

Lsg, you were there(and voted with grammat)...dont be mistaken twice

Considering that my vision was several large women dancing around me singing "Deck the Halls" and leaving me oddly aroused, I'm going to assume that the rounders vision doesn't have any relation to the game.

And frankly, I think I would have preferred Alan's vision.

well this is great. i forgot to go to the opium den last night. i could have sworn i sent CR a message. ohh well i have some money saved up for the next 2 nights then.

I'll follow Blade's lead tonight. If he's wrong twice, then we can go after him tomorrow night.

VOTE SALDANA

NO LYNCH SWAGGS

Am I the only person that got robbed? Why am I being targeted so damn much? :mad:

I think I know what role Blade is playing; I'm curious to see what saldana says.

Hoops I'd hold his being wrong against him more, were it not for the fact that Blade likes being the center of the game in EVERY game he plays, no matter his role. And to do that he has to play, sometimes, like he has this game.

Interesting. Blade, sometimes you make me feel like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football. I want to wait until I hear from Saldana before voting.

Izulde, were you prevented from commenting yesterday while in jail or just prevented from voting?

I was at home last night due to lack of funds, so have no useful information to provide there.

From voting for sure. From commenting, I'm not certain, but I'm being blizzarded in by reading I slacked off all semester on and a minimum 8 page paper to write on it, so yeah, it's not going to be the most fun weekend for me.

ok, i have no idea what Blade is on about. I am not Mr Hyde. I did not go out last night for the same reason i stated earlier...of all the kills, only the WW has been able to come into someones house....everyone knows my history of dying early, so i thought a little bit of hiding would keep me alive for more than a day or two

i did hire the urchin, and asked him to follow blade, i wanted to be sure he is who i think he is, considering his history of fake reveals...that is the real reason why my first post of the day was promoting some restraint on voting for him, i was waiting for my results

unfortunately, i didnt get any results because the urchin was killed before he could report back to me, so no, i will not be trying to accuse you blade, in fact, i wont be voting for you at all, despite your push against me, because i am relatively certain i know your role, and i believe you are a valuable good guy...i have no idea what you are on about regarding me, all i can say in my defense is perhaps you didnt see the person you believe to be me clearly because of the fog?

the only point i can make to try and defend myself is, if i were Mr Hyde, with the belief i have about blade's role, why would i not have gone after blade?

i honestly dont know how to defend myself against this

dola, i guess it is unfortunate for me that only Izulde is on the board while i am on lunch...i will be here until about 1:20 est, if anyone wants to talk about this instead of just following blade.

Saldana, it is pretty hard to ask questions about Blade's story when he has not published the story. I'm around and up for any kind of discussion you want at this time.

i would love to discuss, i am a little disappointed that so many people are ready to vote for me just because blade says so...he hasnt given anything against me, and i have been nothing but straightforward all game long...i really am at a loss for any means of defending myself, because i havent been doing anything on purpose to try and not get myself killed

Saldana, just to confirm your story - you were home last night? You spent money on an urchin who was killed, so no information to provide?

Saldana, what role do you think Blade has and why?

no time to do anything now but will pop on in like 5 hours or so

sal, to be fair, most times someone comes out after night actions saying he has some sort of proof that they've spotted a bad guy, it will get attention.

I actually think there hasn't been as big a jump as usual because of what happened with Barkeep and Alan with regard to Blade earlier. Personally, I want to hear more about what he has to say about this and also give you a chance to respond before deciding. But I do think that Blade is on the side of good, I'm just wondering about the accuracy of some of what he gets as far as information goes.

yes, i put in a bid for the urchin, paying him to follow blade, this morning i got a pm saying my money was not returned, but i also did not have a message



i dont think i can point to any specific evidence, but i am pretty sure he lives in an upstairs apartment (i would rather not be more specific, hopefully you get my drift)

OOG - Saldana, please let me know when you are heading out. I'm holding off on shoveling snow outside to finish chatting with you right now :)

sorry, i had actually typed a rather long response to you, and then the board cut out and i lost it, so you got the short version above...my break is over at 1:20 board time

it is unfortunate for me that there is no way to verify that i bought the urchin yesterday.

1. it was pretty much a given fact that schmitdy was the urchin

2. it is rather obvious that mr. hyde killed him

3. if i am mr. hyde like blade says i am, it would have to be the dumbest move in the history of WW for me to then go out and kill the same person i just paid almost all my money to

saldana, for what it's worth, I still don't know who to vote for, I wanna hear what others have to say at this point. I'm actually a bit surprised that so many people stayed home and hardly anything happened last night. If everyone is earning and spending money like I have, there's still a little bit of money left over for possibly 1 more night action. Any information is good information and wouldn't wanna die knowing that I had money left over that could possibly help.

No more opium den for me, I figured maybe if I try it I would get some sort of vision in my drugged state, but nope, just crazy ass dreams.

and since i dont think blade is lying, merely that he is mistaken either because of the fog or some other mechanic

vote lynch swaggs

Except that perhaps Jekyl and Hyde doesn't have complete control over who he kills. I mean that's kind of the whole idea, isn't it?

Saldana, I am pretty sure I catch the reference you are making but I'm wondering if you have seen anything in the game (night PMs) to lead you down this path or if you are just speculating based on his play?

The way I figure it (if we all started with the same amts and earn equal amts) there's enough money for three 5 shilling actions in four nights barring robbery. That's how it worked for me, not enough to do anything last night, but tonight is party time, baby!!

That never crossed my mind for some reason. I find that very interesting. Who was the speculation about for J/H's first kill?

i have no idea....depends on how CR decides to write the character...i know that the character as it seems to be playing out in this game(brutish strength, ability to visciously kill people) is not the way that the Hyde character was originally writen in literature....iirc, the hyde persona is actually smaller than the jekyll one, so it could be you are right.

Hyde randomly killing someone in his district would make sense to me.

For Blade to have information about both Saldana and Swaggs last night I would expect that Blade went to visit Swaggs last night, who lived in the same section of town as Hyde visited. If Schmidty's role is the one that obtains the information (potentially Schmidty and Jonathan could have both had these roles) rather than the urchin being an out-of-game role then Blade and Saldana both being in the same area all starts to make sense.

Of course, the odds of Swaggs being in the same district that Saldana decides to visit (the variables in play in the above assumption) are only 1 in 16. I usually don't like to gamble with odds that long in werewolf, even if it would make the pieces fall into place nicely.

Plus Saldana would have to assume that no one besides potentially Blade would have seen him to take the approach of saying he was home last night instead of challenging Blade directly. Chances of this being the case are better due to fog and the reduced number of players in the game, but still seems a little risky.

speculating based on his play.

hoops, schmidty and Jonathan definitely had the same role...JE was the artful dodger, and Schmidty was Oliver Twist, according to post 1

i think we decided he killed brianD

hoops and all, thanks for hanging around for me...i have to get back to work....i will be back on around 5:30/6

I recognize that both were urchins, but the question is if they were actually having their actions driven by the bidding of others or if the urchins people pay for were out-of-game constructs to collect information.

Huge news everyone. Last night I saw the second moon of Dune with a hand hoovering over it. And I kept hearing a voice saying "The Spice!, The Spice!, The Spice." over and over again. Then I saw Chana and I was in absolute awe of how hot she used to be. And just when nothing could get any better Moadib! The Mother F'n Sleeper Awakened!

Needless to say at this point I come out of my drug induced trance completely confused and walk home. What a weird night.

Catching up...

Okay guys, I haven't read through this thread yet but my pm said that on my way out to visit a prostitute I saw Swaggs get killed. I also got a glimse of the killer. It was saldana. It upset me so much i went right back to my house and stayed there the rest of the night.

I think two people learned things about me and they seemed to come away from the conversation with a good impression. I'm not sure if both know of one another, though.

I can talk.

I cannot vote or carry out night actions.

Some people are of the belief that dreams actually mean something. I wonder if our weird, drug induced dreams are actually symbols for something. I dreamt of knocking down London Bridge and saw a huge wave about to hit London.

I can vouch for Blade visiting me last night at the opium den.

Blade, without naming names, were you aware of anyone else questioning me last night?

Swaggs is in jail LSG

Two people, with no clear ties, pointing at Saldana. It suddenly got a lot harder to give Saldana any benefit of the doubt.

Swaggs, can you confirm if Blade was one of the people that learned about you last night?

With two people now damning Saldana that vote is clear.

VOTE SALDANA

Sorry... I ment Schmidty. I got my S names confused in a hurry to rush. It was very foggy last night and on my way out I heard a strange noise. I looked and saw a figure who appeared to be saldana.

vote saldana

guess i should vote :-P

I was in the opium den when Blade visited me. My flat is on Whitechapel Road in Whitechapel.

Thats a line of thought better left another time, please trust me in that.