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Flasch186 10-07-2008 09:37 PM

How can he continuously say "he wants to raise taxes" when that's not true AND no one can know what is going to happen since neither one is in office. IMO it goes back to trusting that 'my' candidate means what he says while the other guys doesn't mean what he says even if it's as good if not better than what my guy said. If you cant believe the plan than what the hell are we talking about....we might as well just go vote today.

Young Drachma 10-07-2008 09:38 PM

McCain is looking angry. Not confident, not presidential. Old and angry.

Ooh..more payola! Doubling child exemptions. Umm...McCain, what about single people?

Our first unscripted moment, where Obama asks to rebut what McCain said. Brokaw admonishes them to follow the rules set by both teams.

SirFozzie 10-07-2008 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak (Post 1854326)
I have a feeling that if that happens...we'll be the ones paying the price at the pump.


There is no right to record windfall profits. (yeah. I know, communist! Socialism! whatever)

SirFozzie 10-07-2008 09:39 PM

*laughs* Man, McCain's showing his age.. "like trying to nail Jello to a wall"?

Mac Howard 10-07-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1854337)
*laughs* Man, McCain's showing his age.. "like trying to nail Jello to a wall"?


I thought that was funny. Does that make me old? :)

King of New York 10-07-2008 09:41 PM

Obama takes the question about enititlement spending and works his way back to tax policy, so that he can answer McCain's last comment. Barry is learning how to fight back!

DaddyTorgo 10-07-2008 09:41 PM

you know what though: old and angry mccain scores low with voters.

i said earlier tonight to my folks that i feel like mccain is very close to cracking in terms of his temper - and if he goes over the edge he's totally lost it.

DaddyTorgo 10-07-2008 09:42 PM

mccain also walks around looking like a monkey with his arms very stiff and jerky

SirFozzie 10-07-2008 09:43 PM

McCain thinks solving Social Security is easy...

Damnit. if it wasn't for the fact Doc Sak would call me on it, I'd post a giant picture of the ORLY owl, right about now :)

Mac Howard 10-07-2008 09:44 PM

Bad news is - we lost :D

Passacaglia 10-07-2008 09:45 PM

Uh, it is easy. Put it in a lockbox.

King of New York 10-07-2008 09:45 PM

McCain is big on teh nukes! He has served on nuclear-powered ships and suffered no ill effects.

King of New York 10-07-2008 09:46 PM

Obama is also down with teh nukes, but we also must have windmills.

mauchow 10-07-2008 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1854343)
mccain also walks around looking like a monkey with his arms very stiff and jerky


Yeah, even when he's not speaking he's still holding the microphone in the same spot.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's got an arm brace holding his arm in that spot as he probably couldn't hold it on his own the whole hour and a half.

Young Drachma 10-07-2008 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1854344)
McCain thinks solving Social Security is easy...



Yeah, that was a bad move.

King of New York 10-07-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1 (Post 1854352)
Yeah, even when he's not speaking he's still holding the microphone in the same spot.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's got an arm brace holding his arm in that spot as he probably couldn't hold it on his own the whole hour and a half.


I agree that it looks bad, but I wonder if that is in some way related to the injuries that he suffered as a POW.

Mac Howard 10-07-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by King of New York (Post 1854348)
McCain is big on teh nukes! He has served on nuclear-powered ships and suffered no ill effects.


But his eyes glow green in the dark :)

King of New York 10-07-2008 09:50 PM

McCain: we must drill offshore now. Must drill now! Right after this debate is over!

DaddyTorgo 10-07-2008 09:51 PM

fuck you mccain - you lying sack of shit

there is no drilling that can be done offshore that would result in any oil finding its way to our refineries within 10 years. we don't even have enough oil rigs to increase offshore drilling right now.

the only oil that we have on us soil that we can access within 10 years to decrease our dependence on foreign oil is in ANWR.

And that's from industry experts, not something i made up.

so talking about drilling as something that will ease oil prices tomorrow is flat-out lying to the public. and that pisses me off.

mauchow 10-07-2008 09:52 PM

If there was a concrete plan on SSI so that I wouldn't be burdened too much in the future(I'm 26), I'd vote for that candidate. I would venture to guess that we're a ways a way before we get a plan that could really work for everyone.

McCain.. easy to fix it?

You got my vote!!

Not.

Mac Howard 10-07-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1854361)
fuck you mccain - you lying sack of shit.


Why don't you tell us how you really feel :)

mauchow 10-07-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of New York (Post 1854348)
McCain is big on teh nukes! He has served on nuclear-powered ships and suffered no ill effects.


Holy crap. I thought you were just joking when you said that(I'm five minutes behind... DVR'd). I just realized that he ACTUALLY said that. LOL

Flasch186 10-07-2008 09:54 PM

Im surprised by tonight as I thought McCain's strong suit was townhall.

Hair transplants?

Young Drachma 10-07-2008 09:55 PM

Gold plated health care plans. Ugh. Why is he repeating that Bush line?! It flopped then and it's flopping now.

Did he not see the red light? I did...

King of New York 10-07-2008 09:55 PM

Was that a self-deprecating bald joke that McCain just tried to make?

SirFozzie 10-07-2008 09:55 PM

Ok, no more bon mots from me. I think that the "Fixing Social Security is Easy" is a gaffe that could be up to the level of "The economy is strong", but we shall see.

Go Home Time!

mauchow 10-07-2008 09:55 PM

"One last point I want to make....."

DaddyTorgo 10-07-2008 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Howard (Post 1854366)
Why don't you tell us how you really feel :)


the drilling thing pisses me off. because the evidence is right there, and it's irrefutable.

WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH OIL RIGS IN ORDER TO INCREASE OFFSHORE DRILLING TO A DEGREE THAT WILL MATERIALLY AFFECT GAS PRICES IN LESS THAN 10 YEARS.

It's a concrete goddamn fact. The only thing we can do is drill in ANWR. It's non-negotiable.

So saying "we can drill tomorrow and your gas prices will go down" is BULLSHIT. It's straight-up lying, no doubt about it.

Pisses me off when either of them does it.

King of New York 10-07-2008 09:57 PM

Obama: going with "Senator McCain" rather than "John." Smart move--it makes Obama look more presidential. (I'm serious.)

Flasch186 10-07-2008 09:59 PM

i think the woman line just broke on obama there on CNN.

Mac Howard 10-07-2008 09:59 PM

Another joke bombed. McCain's no stand-up comic is he? :)

SirFozzie 10-07-2008 09:59 PM

Ok, one more.

Wow. Very nice tie in by Obama.

Reminding folks that his mother died of cancer at 53, and spent her last days arguing with the insurance companies.

King of New York 10-07-2008 10:00 PM

And whoever posted above that Obama is stressing the differences much more tonight is spot on--it's a striking change of strategy. Is Obama trying to finish McCain off tonight?

King of New York 10-07-2008 10:02 PM

After he concludes his statement, McCain turns and glances at Obama with utter contempt and scorn.

Tigercat 10-07-2008 10:02 PM

The only part of the reaction line on CNN I find interesting is how much more negative men are than women on everything. Except when McCain says "America is #1!!"

rowech 10-07-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of New York (Post 1854392)
After he concludes his statement, McCain turns and glances at Obama with utter contempt and scorn.


As Balboa did to Drago.

Mac Howard 10-07-2008 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigercat (Post 1854393)
The only part of the reaction line on CNN I find interesting is how much more negative men are than women on everything. Except when McCain says "America is #1!!"


I sometimes wonder what the women are on :)

Have you noticed they're also several seconds behind the men in returning to 50?

Flasch186 10-07-2008 10:08 PM

This debate is over....

Obama won this one

McCain won the first one, second one was a draw with Palin perhaps being a split decision winner based on expectations, and this has been an Obama knock out (thus far).

DaddyTorgo 10-07-2008 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 1854402)
This debate is over....

Obama won this one

McCain won the first one, second one was a draw with Palin perhaps being a split decision winner based on expectations, and this has been an Obama knock out (thus far).


i might disagree on the first debate results (i thought AT worst it was a draw for Obama), but everything else I agree on.

Noop 10-07-2008 10:10 PM

McCain did not win the first debate.

King of New York 10-07-2008 10:12 PM

Obama: stumbling a bit on Pakistan here--he is starting to get tired.

McCain: announcing his heroes at a furious clip: Reagan a minute ago, now Teddy Roosevelt.

Mac Howard 10-07-2008 10:12 PM

This is going nowhere. (carry a big stick)

King of New York 10-07-2008 10:13 PM

Can we get a count on the number of times that McCain has said Petraeus?

DaddyTorgo 10-07-2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of New York (Post 1854413)

McCain: announcing his heroes at a furious clip: Reagan a minute ago, now Teddy Roosevelt.


lol you noticed that too?

Tigercat 10-07-2008 10:14 PM

New rule in image politics - Town Hall debates can never ever be the strength of the candidate who will look old and uncomfortable with the added element of movement. Did no one in the McCain campaign consider this? Did no one on the campaign trail watch McCain move around and think "You know, he is going to look stiff and old next to Obama... Maybe we should stick to regular podiums..."

King of New York 10-07-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Howard (Post 1854415)
This is going nowhere. (carry a big stick)


I agree--the debate is stuck right now.

Noop 10-07-2008 10:15 PM

I want to see McCain punch Obama so the right wing can call him a fighter and he can win the election. Plus it would be funny.

Young Drachma 10-07-2008 10:16 PM

This thing is hilarious.

DaddyTorgo 10-07-2008 10:16 PM

McCain: "Oh...bomb bomb bomb Iran was a joke with an old veteran friend"

--- eyeahhhh that ain't gonna fly. and now he's talking about how he is the responsible one? and yet he cracks jokes like that? that just doesn't compute

mauchow 10-07-2008 10:17 PM

I'd like to see Palin walk across the stage screaming "GO MAVERICKS!"


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