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I lean right on many topics, and yet I haven't felt I could trust anything Fox News says for maybe ten years now. It's sad what has happened to mainstream media, no matter what side it is pushing. |
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Okay I see where you are coming from on this, and I agree with you on the first part-at first I think it was okay to cover this because no one knew what he was do/be like/get away with as President. But yeah its more than time to stop analyzing every moment of his Presidency. He's not going to change, and its likely to get worse if he gets impeached. I will add that its time to do the same with his Cabinet/staff too. Let's face it, they are following his example/has his blessing. So I don't think we need every detail of his/her ethics violations-just report they are being investigated for them and move on. I see Ryan Zinke is being investigated again-I would rather hear more about the changes to his Department and what they mean for the future than about some door he bought on tax-payer money. I think if there has been nothing so far to get the most ardent Trump supporters to see another side of him at this point, there is nothing that can be said/he says or does that will change their minds going forward. And that includes the Mueller report. As to what I would like to see CNN/MSNBC etc cover more of, it would be nice if they started covering things, not political ones, going on in the US and the World again. CNN pretty much spends the entire 6pm newscast on Trump, and then the last five minutes on North Korea/China/some other country with a negative viewpoint towards the US. The only time they seem to break from it is due to a natural disaster/terrorist event/etc. |
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Same, KSyrup. As of right now, next Tuesday, I will.be voting all D in national elections. I can't stand what the national GOP had become. |
Wow that Jacob Wohl/Jacob Burkman news conference is the gift that keeps on giving. Not only did the promised Mueller accuser fail to materialize, they weren't even sure of how to spell her last name. :)
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And the one guy's fly was down during the entire thing. |
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Yeah I saw that but given my posts today about not talking about the little things so much... And someone has already called NYU and shocking! they have no record of anyone by that name. |
New reporting on emails between Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and the editor of Breibart over Julian Assange/Wikileaks on Clinton emails:
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The media ran with all sorts of Clinton garbage, he smuggled drugs, he killed Vince Foster, etc. They did the same thing with Obama and Benghazi, the birth certificate, etc. No, the narrative wasn't, "he's dumb," but claiming the media somehow only portrayed them positively is ridiculous. While Bush2 might have been hit for his intelligence, the media killed Gore to the point where it probably cost him the election. |
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I used to vote Republican for fiscal reasons. But they're a trillion in the hole this year and the economy is actually good. Imagine the deficit when we start having some down years. The party is weird now. Can't figure out what they stand for outside of the part that's just full on white supremacist. They aren't fiscally conservative anymore. They aren't free trade. They don't even stand up to brutal dictators like they used to. |
I do wonder what the free trade Republicans are going to do. Some conservative commentators have suggested they may have to actually try to join the Democratic party and basically start up conservative Democrats again.
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This doesn't make it right but it's a business and stories about him sell. It's the same reason the media is obsessed with mass shooters and will dedicate days of coverage to them over the victims. He's also really fascinating as a President. Let's face it, most Presidents are complete bores. Most of their time was spent dealing with boring policy and giving boring answers on it. He spends his day getting riled up by Gateway Pundit and Fox News and tweeting crazy stuff. I'd also add that I think it's really tough to determine what's a pro or anti Trump story. Take health care for instance. He pushed for a plan to remove the pre-existing condition clause. His administration is openly fighting to have it removed in the courts as well. So if you write an article on that, it has no bias. It's just this is what the President is doing. And usually a President is happy to promote the policy they are pushing. But he will lie to his supporters and say that's not true. So his supporters thing the article is anti-Trump. He can also make a positive article look negative. For instance the Saudi arms deal creates 500 jobs. It's not a ton but it's still positive for the economy. But he goes to a rally and says it created a million jobs here. So is that article now an anti-Trump article? I guess what I'm saying is that it's really hard to differentiate pro and anti articles for someone who is a pathological liar. They can turn any article into something that appears negative. |
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They'll either do nothing or just randomly take the far-left stance on trade that Trump has. Everyone is too chickenshit to differ from him on an issue so I don't really see the point in supporting someone who doesn't actually have a voice. The party could have simply said "no tariffs, we're the free trade, capitalist party" and pushed through a bill (most Democrats have even come around on free trade so you could probably even make it veto-proof if anyone had a set of testicles). |
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Yeah, but a lot of these people (and not necessarily the politicians) have businesses that make a shit load of money through free trade. I doubt they'll want to lose that much money just to get in line. |
On the topic of Trump and the media (particularly CNN).
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I am guessing we will have that skit in a couple days. It's too easy of a mark not to do. The writers have probably been.giddy writing it up today. |
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I stopped watching Fox at least since Obama got elected. Its just disappointing that CNN became a Fox because I used to think it was closer to the "fair and balance" than Fox ever was. FWIW, I used to like Lou Dobbs when he was just reporting on business. And now he's like crazy. |
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1) I honestly could not find data to support or invalidate your first sentence. Plenty of surveys on GOP/Dem attitudes towards unauthorized immigration but I could not find a survey that broke out "white" attitudes (if you find one, please provide a link). However, I can agree that a large % of white folks (not necessarily majority/mostly) are against unauthorized immigration. 2) My point is they are not alone, "it ain't just the white dudes". We can quibble with true % and maybe wording of the survey, but 47% is a pretty large number of blacks that oppose unauthorized immigration. So its not just white folks. 3) Do you believe if Dems get back into power that blacks would feel significantly different about unauthorized immigrants? What I read was that blacks in general are concerned about the economic competition from the unauthorized/illegals and hence have their own motivations vs. many white folks with the "we are good now" attitude. Different rationale but similar feelings against unauthorized for a large chunk of blacks. |
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You got to admit the toilet paper stuck to shoe was worthy of front page. :) EDIT: okay, maybe not. After reading more posts, it seems everyone thinks it wasn't worthy. |
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Hey, that is 3 of us so far. I'm doing early voting Fri. Told my HS daughter she is coming with me so she can see how voting goes and democracy in action. . |
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I do not, but I do think that it would be part of the party platform like space exploration or education reform. It would sort of be there, but it would not be a major concern or a major reason to be against the party for Dems that disagree with the party platform on reform. Not a dealbreaker. |
I am dreading the holidays when my parents come to visit. They have gone off the deep end for Trump. I blame 25 years of living in Texas, personally. And they may be coming earlier to help with my wife who is having surgery on Monday.
It's going to be almost impossible to avoid the news for that long. They usually have Fox News on 24/7. It's only gotten worse since they retired - they have nothing to do but sit around and get revved up about whatever Fox News tells them. I'm just thankful the elections will be over by then... although, depending on the outcome, it might be an even bigger shitshow around here if they can't contain themselves. Don't know what would happen if they found out I voted for a Democrat in a close race...! |
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Ask them open ended questions about what they like about Trump and what they don't like about Trump. You have plenty of research already done on this forum. Let us know how it goes! |
Oh hell no... politics will be off limits. They are staying with us for maybe up to 2 weeks. I don't want the guilt of throwing my family out of our house 750 miles from home during the holidays.
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Look at it this way, if you have these discussions (but don't throw them out), its less likely they will come visit in the future. Com'on, it'll be a good social experiment that many on this board will likely have to endure over the holidays with "new" discussion topics as it'll be after the mid-terms. Take one for the team and let us know what works (or not) with your in-laws. |
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This might be the greatest post in the history of fake sports (although I'm prone to exaggeration). The sad thing is that many people get their 'news' from shows like SNL and Kimmel. |
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Not my in-laws, my mom and dad. Wife's parents are also Trump supporters but less fringe-y about it, from what I can tell. They visited us about a month ago and nothing really came up. Except when Trump flew into Lexington to stump for Andy Barr and my mom messaged her mom about whether they were going to the rally or to watch the plane come in... :redface: |
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You and me both. I'm a vastly outnumbered Democrat in my family, and its been tough just biting my tongue whenever they start going off on just about anything Republican or Trump. We try to avoid politics during Thanksgiving when most of them are here, and thankfully they are not 24/7 Fox watchers. And Ksyrup if you can't take it anymore than just tell them you voted for a Democrat and why-should just clear them right out of the house :) Hope your wife's surgery goes okay. |
Ha! Yeah, maybe that will be the last-ditch strategy if things go bad.
We had a minor blow-up a couple of years ago not necessarily about anything directly political, but something symptomatic of the whole Trump/scared old white people thing (I'm being purposely vague because I don't feel like discussing it), and since then, I think they have toned it down around us because they are scared I will cut off all access to the grandkids if they keep it up. And we did spend an uneventful summer week with them on vacation a few months ago. But I'm just concerned with the elections and so much crap out there in general right now that it's going to be impossible to avoid. Hopefully everyone will be on their best behaviors... |
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Why do you want to ruin Ksyrup's holidays? ;) |
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Will your parents have their own room/TV? If not maybe invest in a TV before they get there :) |
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His loss may be our gain. For Christmas we'll be headed to the in-laws in Dallas. The mom-and-dad-in-laws don't really care too much about politics but the sister/brother-in-laws are pretty much Trump supporters. One set is pretty ardent to the point where a brother-in-law-of-the-sister-in-law told them on FB to just unfriend him (pretty funny). I feel that I can hold an intelligent conversation with some give-and-take and exploring both sides of the issues but one set is one of those brainwashed ones. . |
My in-laws are big Trump supporters, but both their daughters are pretty left leaning, so during holidays they have a no-politics rule. I think that works best. (My folks are lefties, as they are Muslim and my parents were immigrants that almost goes without saying).
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I have been living this for 4 months now. We moved back to Jersey in July and decided to stay with my in laws until our house in Oregon sold and we can buy one here. Took much longer than expected and we are still looking out here. My MIL literally has Fox News on all day and believes everything they say. During the Ford hearing it was dreadful, she took glee in the way they tore that woman up. Quote:
See above. I tried talking with her the first few weeks we were here, didn't work. You know when you call tech support, and Bob answers, except Bob is in Pakistan, and you know Bob can't actually think for himself and is just reading from a script? Thats what it was like. All she did was regurgitate what she heard on Fox, verbiage and all. Not an original thought in her head, and if you had a logical counter it was fake news. It is literally impossible to have a conversation with them because they are brainwashed to the point of no return. My FIL is a lot better, he at least can internalize what a creep Trump is. My MIL is one of those " he tells it like it is" folks. I mostly walk around with ear buds in now. |
When they ask what you are listening to, you should respond: "NPR" ;)
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There was a time not long ago when religiously minded, first-generation immigrants would have been a pretty solid conservative group. I understand why you said what you did, but it's really a reflection on the changing GOP. |
Check out these group Halloween costume at a local school.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...4c&oe=5C4A8346 https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f4&oe=5C48EDF9 A co-worker saw these posted on the school's facebook account. Now there's the whole facebook war going on about whether this is OK. |
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That is a tough one. I think the costumes are great and really funny, but not really appropriate for school. The teachers also have to know what the predictable outcome would be. I wonder if they got permission ahead of time. |
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If you asked the group in the second pic what they were dressed as, what would (or did) they say? |
You can't demand that groups assimilate to a culture that will not accept them. In the history of this country, over and over, groups have been routinely told that they are not welcome, not accepted, not true Americans. The myth has always been a desire for other cultures to assimilate, but the reality is that the cultures within are kept apart, and excluded from the dominant culture, not because they can't, but because the dominant culture doesn't truly want them.
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Oh, I know this for a fact. My family were big Republicans when I was growing up. Voted for Reagan twice, GHWB. It shifted when Clinton came in. I think they voted for WBush in 2000, but that's the last Republican for federal office they ever voted for. Amusingly, my dad is still a member of the Republican Club of his town, but mostly because he knows the local politicians. |
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I bet they'd say something like "traditional Mexicans" I wonder what kind of wacky hijinx went on between the two groups. |
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I should have gotten this from the things in the background, but it's an elementary school? You can't do that in an elementary school. |
I agree that its tough. Overall, don't think its appropriate in a school/government setting worn by teachers. However, take it outside of that context and is it their right to dress up like that for Halloween (e.g. my neighbors in a subdivision). Probably.
Outside of a school/government setting, would asians nowadays be upset with a Fu-Manchu or a Charlie Chan caricature? Would Jews be upset with a Hitler outfit or a death camp costume? Probably yes, but is hurt/offended feelings and bad taste enough to offset first amendment rights? What say the more knowledgeable first amendment scholars on this board? |
Is someone putting the Hitler-costume wearer in jail? Or will they just be fired from their job and hopefully be beaten into a bloody pulp?
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We're a few days out from the election so plenty can change, but it will be interesting to see how weather affects things. I don't know the exact locations, but it appears the "south" will be seeing rain/thunderstorms, and I've seen a couple of indications that deeper south might see severe weather/tornadic activity (or at least the threat of it).
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Speaking of bad Halloween costume decisions...
Adair Co. Students Suspended After Dressing As Columbine Shooters | LEX18.com |
Nothing riles up Game of Thrones fans like Trump using it for a renewal of sanctions on Iran:
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I used to think the election day weather stuff would mean less with early voting. But I know a lot of states have cut it back when they realized black voters were using it in such high numbers. |
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So the sanctions are bad like winter. And Trump is the one responsible for the sanctions. So Trump is the Night King? |
I voted today. Looking forward to Tue.
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I voted yesterday. I think it was the first time I've ever early-voted.
I've got to say: I didn't like it. I mean, the process was fine and it was sort of nice to get it done without having to worry about day-of scheduling...but I miss the instant gratification of sitting down the night-of and getting feedback. Waiting until Tuesday just seems to take some of the fun out of it. |
How long is the wait where you all typically vote? There's usually only about 2-300 voters in my precinct so I can usually walk in, get my ballot and vote all within a few minutes.
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There was a line out the door. It was about 20 before I entered the building and another 10-15 min after getting checked, wait for a machine to free up, and then cast the ballot. Today was the last day of early voting in GA. Not sure if 30-35 min is unusual. There were posters in the building that said to the effect "don't talk politics in here". Thought that was funny, I did't remember that last time around. Also had my daughter with me so that was a good learning experience for her. |
We don't have early voting. In past years, I've sometimes walked right in and other times waited for up to 30 minutes.
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Mailed my ballot in a few days ago, so my wait time was however long it took to get my lazy ass to finally fill it out and mail it (about two weeks).
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Not sure I believe that Healthcare is the key issue. I don't hear this from colleagues, its more pro-anti Trump the person, his style etc.
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I was so pissed last election. I had to wait for Mr. McGill to finish voting for like 3 minutes. First time I've ever had to wait . We have 3 voting locations in town. And as of last census a population of 217. But by God, if you don't have your license you ain't getting a ballot. |
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For me, it takes longer for my old first grade teacher (who was ancient when I was her pupil, and now it's 30 years later) to find my name in the roll than anything else. :) |
Usually less than 10 mins for me, but there have been places I've lived in the past where it was a little under an hour. I've never been unfortunate enough be in one of the super-crazy locations that all the news crews go out to every election.
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I think the wait for me was 20 minutes in 2016. Then when I arrived I realized I forgot my wallet at the liquor store I just visited.
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you don't need to show a license to vote here and i'm not going to provide one.
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I'm not sure younare supposed to here. But by God of you dont have it you aint voting. Its hilarious, becaue like lungs mentioned I've literally known the woman who works the polls half my life. Heck in high school I dated her daughter...and she once got home early ...and yeah. She knows me. Lol but still gotta have that license. |
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If you're not legally required to and poll workers won't let you vote without one, they're breaking the law. Poll workers are not allowed to impose extralegal requirements to exercise the franchise. |
Welp, it hit the news. 13% hispanics at the school.
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I can agree with healthcare being the key issue. Access to quality healthcare and the costs associated with this continues to be an underlying issue for many of the shiny political things we talked about. Immigration legal and illegal? For some, that drives up their healthcare costs. Trump? For some, he is determined to take away their healthcare due to preexisting conditions. We are going to forget about the caravan when whatever happens with it, happens. Healthcare is something that they will see during every visit to the doctor's office, pharmacy etc. |
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It must be me. Top 5 according to Gallup is Healthcare is 80%, economy is 78%, immigration 78%, way women are treated in US society 74%, and gun policy 72%. They didn't have a category of "like/dislike/worried about Trump" unfortunately which is what I voted on. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/...gn=syndication |
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It should be, because your health care system pretty much sucks, compared with other western countries. And that's before the small improvement from Obama got under attack from Trump.  The U.S. Health Care System: An International Perspective — DPEAFLCIO |
Sure it sucks, but it costs more, so it's better.
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A few of my fellow teachers want to know why they aren't already fired, those same teachers who complain a lot about teachers not involved with the union in our district. It was in extreme poor taste |
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Yeah, my wife is a teacher and her school pretty much thinks it was "stupid" and not appropriate for a school setting. She was wondering how they could think it was appropriate. I guess I could understand if in Maine where they may not have hispanic kids in their school and so it maybe didn't occur to them. Looking forward to details on disciplinary actions and the inevitable explanation. If this was the first time for this crap, my wife doesn't think they should be fired. |
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I'm not saying you are a racist, but you do racist things.
I still think the Gillum quote holds, you may not be a racist, but the racists think you are a racist. |
Re: Health care system
It is not good. But there are a lot of other factors that play into life expectancy. My point being, you just cannot blame the government alone. Lifestyle choices, processed food, access to technology are also key factors in our life expectancy dropping. Also, we see the sugar bump in that table. In the 70s fat was thought to make you fat. So food companies started producing "fat free" foods. Of course, to make them taste better, the companies added sugar. The obesity rates have gone up since the introduction of "fat free" foods. |
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It's really unbelievable On top of the 13% Hispanic population at that particular school, the Boise area has one of the highest per-capita refugee populations in the U.S. - about 1 in 20 public school students are refugees or children of refugees. That ratio is probably a little lower out in Middleton where this happened (it's a little "out in the country" 30 minutes from Boise), but you'd think the teachers would have some better sense of this kind of thing. I'm guessing there will be some racial sensitivity training and they'll stay on. Communities can be very defensive of teachers. We had a teacher feed a live puppy, in front of students, to a snapping turtle that he illegally kept in his classroom up in Preston (from Napoleon Dynamite fame), and the prosecutors tried to move the trial because the community overwhelmingly supported the teacher. |
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Yes these assholes should be fired. My wife is a public school teacher at a school in Denver that is 60% and she thinks what these dumbasses did is termination worthy. |
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I guess. But Im not sure how easy it is to regulate a persons choices. You can tax the crap out of stuff or throw down regulations. But people are going to go to macdonalds and eat that large fry while playing candy crush on their phone in front of that show they are binging. Our obesity rate is killing our health care system. Unfortunately, Michelle Obama was influenced by big food when she started her campaign to end obesity. You start with food, which she was going to do. But her plan was suddenly funded by big food. And it turned into an exercise campaign. If you eat well, you have more energy to do stuff. Like exercise. When you eat crap, you feel like crap, and are less likely to exercise or do anything. I think there is an overemphasis on the fault of our poor health care system. Yes, I blame big pharma and insurance companies. But they are almost monopolies. The bottom line is what is most important. |
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Definitely termination worthy.
I didn't early vote this year like I have the last several years. Usually it takes me anywhere from 20-30 minutes to vote, but I'm also in a large metropolitan area and used to vote at UNLV, so there'd be a lot of the campus community voting, too. Not sure what it'll look like Tuesday. First election in my new home. I'm taking it as my day off next week to vote and attend to some other stuff. |
One of the things that makes me angry is when people in my field make us all look bad. It gives everyone a bad name and makes my job that much harder. I imagine that there are teachers everywhere who feel this way about this situation. Personally, that's a hard thing for me to see as a terminable offense, but again, I don't have those feelings all wrapped up in it either.
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I'll double down for ya, JPhillips. Yea....what. in. the. entire. fuck. |
Maybe auto correct from guppy?
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Free/reduced ubers/lyft to your polling place. Vote responsibly
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How does this work? Drivers still get paid normally? |
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Yes. It's like a coupon code in the app for riders. I'm not sure how much it'll be worth working. Unless surge is super heavy doing passenger rides tends to be worth significantly less per hour than just delivering sandwiches. |
FWIW, some polling insights.
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I keep seeing stuff like this, yet also keep seeing the republicans are likely to remain in control. Not sure how those two things jive. I suppose the blue states will just be bluer and the red states stay red but not as red? |
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Dems have a nearly 90% chance of taking control of the house per 538's house forecast. Senate is only 16% or so chance due to Dems facing the most difficult senate map in modern election history along with the inherent advantage Republicans have with senate. It will take a 6% or so overall voting advantage to take control house, but it would require somewhere in the neighborhood of 11% to take senate. Even in a blue wave year that's incredibly difficult. |
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The Republicans are only favored to stay in control of the Senate and that's because the map is terrible for Dems. Of the 33 seats up, 25 are controlled by the Dems and 8 by the GOP. So the Dems need to win 28 of the 33 elections to take control of the Senate. They will probably win somewhere between 22-26, which won't be enough. The Dems are expected to take control of the House. |
Thanks for the explanation.
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Twitter can be such gold.
Going back and forth with a guy about the migrant caravan and NBC cancelling the Trump commercial. Guy giving typical responses, things like why don't you take them in to your home, we don't know how many criminals their are, we can't keep taking people in, etc... The guy then volunteers to me his wife is Jewish and he is FAR more educated than I am ( I have a BA in History and education from U of Washington), so I advise him he should study some Jewish history to maybe become more tolerable towards migrants fleeing tyrants. |
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So with the mid-terms tomorrow, the memories of 2016 come back to haunt me. I'm curious if anyone here thinks the equivalent (R's staying in control of both Senate and the House, and even gaining seats) is possible or even probable tomorrow? I certainly think the Repubs can keep control of the Senate, but I just refuse to believe that many Americans can see the first 2 years of a Trump Presidency and say "yep that's what I wanted" and vote R tomorrow. I don't see a Blue wave happening either (Dems control both houses) but certainly see them taking the House.
Any predictions for specific incumbents to win or lose? Incumbency has a lot of power when it comes to Election Day, so sadly I think most will win. I could see Rohrbacker (sp?) of CA losing though and McCaskill probably the most likely Dem incumbent to lose. I'll be thrilled if the likes of Nunes and Cruz lose though. Any attempts by Russians to affect the voting? I see Texas already had (has?) an issue with voting machines? |
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