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Edward64 10-05-2017 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3178185)
Tillerson is only there to get Russian sanctions lifted for money for Exxon and himself and Trump's lack of subtlety in everything is killing him.


I think Tillerson is rich enough and he don't need more. I think he's a good guy trying to give back to the country.

As Corker alluded to, are we wanting and are they (Tillerson, Kelly, McMaster) staying on because they know if they left it would be much worse? I would like to give them the benefit of doubt.

CrescentMoonie 10-05-2017 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3178417)
I think Tillerson is rich enough and he don't need more. I think he's a good guy trying to give back to the country.

As Corker alluded to, are we wanting and are they (Tillerson, Kelly, McMaster) staying on because they know if they left it would be much worse? I would like to give them the benefit of doubt.


Tillerson led Exxon violated Russian sanctions. He's as dirty as it gets and is trying to keep Trump from screwing up his sugar daddy situation. He's refusing to use $80 million to investigate Russian propaganda.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/20/inve...ons/index.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7851351.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politi...sia/index.html

Edward64 10-05-2017 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3178424)
Tillerson has funneled money from Russia through shell corporations. He's as dirty as it gets and is trying to keep Trump from screwing up his sugar daddy situation.


I would be interested in reading more. Do you have links?

CrescentMoonie 10-05-2017 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3178425)
I would be interested in reading more. Do you have links?


Leak reveals Rex Tillerson was director of Bahamas-based US-Russian oil firm | US news | The Guardian

A Brief Guide to Rex Tillerson's Controversial Foreign Ties - The Atlantic

Edward64 10-05-2017 10:30 PM

Interesting. Thanks.

Ben E Lou 10-06-2017 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3178415)
But there were other Trump voters that I think may be regretting their decision after seeing how things have been.

I suspect that the number is much smaller than you think. They got a Gorsuch in the Supreme Court, which is the only reason many of them voted for him in the first place.

(And I've personally talked to some who are literally praying for Mueller to turn up something impeachable. If this whole thing ends up with President Pence, they'll feel smart and *completely* justified in voting for Trump.)

Yes, I'm sure there are some swing voters who voted "outsider" who are now thinking "this outsider is an idiot," and would vote otherwise, but the bulk of center-right folks who went with Team R despite their strong misgivings about the specific candidate? I don't see it.

Anecdotal, but interesting to think about nonetheless: one of my closest friends from home--a guy who was a groomsman at my wedding--is a solid case study here. He supported Rubio in the primaries, but was a nose-holding Trump voter, and actually called me up to try to talk me into joining him. (After all, my vote was much more significant than his; he still lives in Georgia, while I'm in a swing state that most people thought Trump *had* to win to have a chance to stop HRC.) Pretty close to a direct quote from that conversation was "Ben, look, I know we can't trust Trump. We have no idea what kind of person he might put on the Supreme Court. But you know as well as I do what Hillary will do to the Court if she gets the chance."

By the way, this guy also point-blank stated to me before the election that he thought Trump's ego would get us into a "stupid war" within 6 months of him being President. So between Gorsuch and 9 months without a war, it's fair (and sad) to say that Trump has significantly exceeded this guy's expectations.

Warhammer 10-06-2017 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3178438)
I suspect that the number is much smaller than you think. They got a Gorsuch in the Supreme Court, which is the only reason many of them voted for him in the first place.

(And I've personally talked to some who are literally praying for Mueller to turn up something impeachable. If this whole thing ends up with President Pence, they'll feel smart and *completely* justified in voting for Trump.)

Yes, I'm sure there are some swing voters who voted "outsider" who are now thinking "this outsider is an idiot," and would vote otherwise, but the bulk of center-right folks who went with Team R despite their strong misgivings about the specific candidate? I don't see it.

Anecdotal, but interesting to think about nonetheless: one of my closest friends from home--a guy who was a groomsman at my wedding--is a solid case study here. He supported Rubio in the primaries, but was a nose-holding Trump voter, and actually called me up to try to talk me into joining him. (After all, my vote was much more significant than his; he still lives in Georgia, while I'm in a swing state that most people thought Trump *had* to win to have a chance to stop HRC.) Pretty close to a direct quote from that conversation was "Ben, look, I know we can't trust Trump. We have no idea what kind of person he might put on the Supreme Court. But you know as well as I do what Hillary will do to the Court if she gets the chance."

By the way, this guy also point-blank stated to me before the election that he thought Trump's ego would get us into a "stupid war" within 6 months of him being President. So between Gorsuch and 9 months without a war, it's fair (and sad) to say that Trump has significantly exceeded this guy's expectations.


I am in this group. I was on the fence between Trump and Johnson. Living in Ohio, the Supreme Court list was what made me pull the trigger for Trump. Clinton had no business being anywhere close to the levers of power. Trump was the devil I didn't know, Clinton was the devil I did.

bronconick 10-06-2017 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3178438)
I suspect that the number is much smaller than you think. They got a Gorsuch in the Supreme Court, which is the only reason many of them voted for him in the first place.

(And I've personally talked to some who are literally praying for Mueller to turn up something impeachable. If this whole thing ends up with President Pence, they'll feel smart and *completely* justified in voting for Trump.)

Yes, I'm sure there are some swing voters who voted "outsider" who are now thinking "this outsider is an idiot," and would vote otherwise, but the bulk of center-right folks who went with Team R despite their strong misgivings about the specific candidate? I don't see it.

Anecdotal, but interesting to think about nonetheless: one of my closest friends from home--a guy who was a groomsman at my wedding--is a solid case study here. He supported Rubio in the primaries, but was a nose-holding Trump voter, and actually called me up to try to talk me into joining him. (After all, my vote was much more significant than his; he still lives in Georgia, while I'm in a swing state that most people thought Trump *had* to win to have a chance to stop HRC.) Pretty close to a direct quote from that conversation was "Ben, look, I know we can't trust Trump. We have no idea what kind of person he might put on the Supreme Court. But you know as well as I do what Hillary will do to the Court if she gets the chance."

By the way, this guy also point-blank stated to me before the election that he thought Trump's ego would get us into a "stupid war" within 6 months of him being President. So between Gorsuch and 9 months without a war, it's fair (and sad) to say that Trump has significantly exceeded this guy's expectations.


Trump alludes to "calm before the storm" in confusing comments - CBS News

Dunno if I'd put much hope on getting to a year.

...or he's doing his usual random bullshitting. Who knows.

BBT 10-06-2017 09:39 AM

Probably BS, for now. No real political gain by going to war now.

However, fully expect that if we make it to Trump year 3, we will be at war with someone to try and boost his popularity for the elections.

JPhillips 10-06-2017 09:45 AM

Add another item to the list of Obama accomplishments undone by Trump.

83 Month streak of positive job numbers comes to an end.

Doubt we'll see any tweet about this.

albionmoonlight 10-06-2017 09:56 AM

I'm with Ben here. Trump is governing precisely as he ran.

If Jeb had gotten the nomination and won the presidency and then acted exactly as Trump has, I'd say that he'd be in trouble because a lot of people who supported him would be shocked and disappointed.

But what has Trump done or not done that has really surprised us? I don't see how you pull the lever for him in November and end up not pulling it 4 years later based on how he's been in office so far.

(Other things might change like the Dem candidate, etc. to change the election of course).

JPhillips 10-06-2017 10:04 AM

I don't think that's true for Obama voters that switched, and I expect some or most of the difference between Trump's election percentage and polling represents those folks.

ISiddiqui 10-06-2017 10:10 AM

IIRC, the single biggest predictor for Obama voters who switched to vote for Trump was their views on immigration. I don't think Trump has quite let them down on that.

panerd 10-06-2017 10:25 AM

And don't forget all those gullible voters that voted Trump only due to Russian propaganda. ;)

Does Gary Johnson's "Allepo?" moment really look that bad now looking back?

albionmoonlight 10-06-2017 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd (Post 3178458)
And don't forget all those gullible voters that voted Trump only due to Russian propaganda. ;)

Does Gary Johnson's "Allepo?" moment really look that bad now looking back?


Gary Johnson is an interesting point.

Last election had a high number of 3rd party voters. How do they feel about Trump? Are they going to vote Dem to get him out? Are they going to stay home? Go 3rd party again? They saw Trump and Clinton as equally unacceptable. Will that hold in 3 years with another Democratic candidate? I have no idea personally, but it seems like a huge question.

panerd 10-06-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3178459)
Gary Johnson is an interesting point.

Last election had a high number of 3rd party voters. How do they feel about Trump? Are they going to vote Dem to get him out? Are they going to stay home? Go 3rd party again? They saw Trump and Clinton as equally unacceptable. Will that hold in 3 years with another Democratic candidate? I have no idea personally, but it seems like a huge question.


The funny part is how most of the board views Trump is how I view all presidents. Not the moronic Trump-specific twitter stuff but the trying to ram stuff through Congress and the king-like executive power he thinks he has and the showing up to disasters for photo ops etc. I will likely always be a third party voter though if you told me I was that deciding vote Kevin Costner guy from the movie in the last election I would have voted Hillary over Gary Johnson for sure.

CrescentMoonie 10-06-2017 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3178459)
Gary Johnson is an interesting point.

Last election had a high number of 3rd party voters. How do they feel about Trump? Are they going to vote Dem to get him out? Are they going to stay home? Go 3rd party again? They saw Trump and Clinton as equally unacceptable. Will that hold in 3 years with another Democratic candidate? I have no idea personally, but it seems like a huge question.


I voted for Johnson because my vote was in a state that was going to go to one candidate only and I want more options. Depending on how things look next time, and where I'll be, I would consider voting Democrat for the first time in my life just to get Trump out of office.

JPhillips 10-06-2017 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3178457)
IIRC, the single biggest predictor for Obama voters who switched to vote for Trump was their views on immigration. I don't think Trump has quite let them down on that.


I think of the woman I saw that claimed to have voted for Bush, Obama, and Trump, and was now regretting her decision. She clearly makes choices entirely disconnected to policy.

panerd 10-06-2017 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3178468)
I think of the woman I saw that claimed to have voted for Bush, Obama, and Trump, and was now regretting her decision. She clearly makes choices entirely disconnected to policy.


Probably votes on who she would like to have a beer with.

Marc Vaughan 10-06-2017 12:08 PM

Someone needs to tell trump that hiding facts doesn't change reality ..

FEMA removes statistics about drinking water access and electricity in Puerto Rico from website - The Washington Post

tarcone 10-06-2017 12:10 PM

I voted Johnson and will vote Johnson again. Im tired of the system we have in place.
It is a big government candidate against a big government candidate. Both of which make the corporations more rich.

Its time for change.

NobodyHere 10-06-2017 12:12 PM

Trump offers broad leeway to employers to drop birth control coverage

Some meat for his base.

BYU 14 10-06-2017 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone (Post 3178485)
I voted Johnson and will vote Johnson again. Im tired of the system we have in place.
It is a big government candidate against a big government candidate. Both of which make the corporations more rich.

Its time for change.


I also voted Johnson, but will vote nearly any Dem next time to avoid a second Trump term, as long as they are more palatable then him. Which shouldn't be hard to accomplish. I just can't take 4 more years of this trainwreck, if we make it through the first 4 unscathed.

BYU 14 10-06-2017 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3178486)


Typical Trump, I really can't see any employer of major standing taking this benefit away.

sabotai 10-06-2017 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3178452)
Trump alludes to "calm before the storm" in confusing comments - CBS News

Dunno if I'd put much hope on getting to a year.

...or he's doing his usual random bullshitting. Who knows.


Maybe less bullshitting and more wishful thinking on his part. I think Trump really wants to be a war-time President and is trying hard to find a war to fight. And of course not Iraq or Afghanistan. Those wars have other people's names on them. He needs his own war. The best war. It'll be so good no one will be able to believe it!

whomario 10-07-2017 08:31 AM

I hope in the future we can all laugh about this episode (Trump as President) and play a party game of "Dictator or President", reading absurd statements and attributing them to one or the other.

Ben E Lou 10-07-2017 03:05 PM



Atocep 10-07-2017 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3178665)



The Trump approach is obviously making North Korea think twice before moving forward on their nuclear arms program.

JPhillips 10-07-2017 05:22 PM

Does anyone in the admin have the guts to tell the president that everyone knows he's full of shit? His threats mean nothing because the whole world knows it's empty bluster.

PilotMan 10-07-2017 05:48 PM

He is quickly turning into the boy who cried "wolf".

sabotai 10-07-2017 08:28 PM

Also, lol at Trump for criticizing a nation for not honoring their agreements.

NobodyHere 10-07-2017 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3178671)
Does anyone in the admin have the guts to tell the president that everyone knows he's full of shit? His threats mean nothing because the whole world knows it's empty bluster.


Being full of shit won him the Presidency. Convince his supporters of the truth and then you have something.

Atocep 10-07-2017 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3178693)
Being full of shit won him the Presidency. Convince his supporters of the truth and then you have something.


Why Trump Supporters Were Susceptible to Fake News - The Atlantic

Good luck with that.

digamma 10-08-2017 07:28 AM

The full interview with Huckabee that a lot of these quotes are coming from is amazing and ridiculous. Just another Sunday morning!

JPhillips 10-08-2017 09:45 AM

OMG, the towels quote.

Quote:

“They had these beautiful, soft towels. Very good towels,” Trump said in a conversation that aired on Christian television network Trinity Broadcasting. “And I came in and there was a crowd of a lot of people. And they were screaming and they were loving everything. I was having fun, they were having fun. They said, ‘Throw ‘em to me! Throw ‘em to me, Mr. President!’”

and

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“I think one of the greatest of all terms I’ve come up with is ‘fake.’ I guess other people have used it, perhaps, over the years, but I’ve never noticed it,” he said.

mckerney 10-08-2017 10:15 AM

The man who coined the phrase 'prime the pump' now gives you a new word, 'fake.'

Donald Trump defends paper towels in Puerto Rico, says Stephen Paddock was ‘probably smart’ in bizarre TV interview: Analysis | Toronto Star

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2. He took credit for inventing the word ‘fake’

Trump, as so often, called the media “fake.” And then he, it seemed, took credit for coining the word “fake.”

“I think one of the greatest of all terms I’ve come up with is ‘fake.’ I guess other people have used it, perhaps, over the years, but I’ve never noticed it,” he said.

JPhillips 10-08-2017 10:51 AM

Daaamn.

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“It’s a shame the White House has become an adult day care center,” Corker tweeted. “Someone obviously missed their shift this morning.”

Thomkal 10-08-2017 10:57 AM

Corker not holding back now that he's retiring

kingfc22 10-08-2017 11:07 AM

It's a shame these Republican representatives continue to allow the day care center to operate. Just empty words without any action.

PilotMan 10-08-2017 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3178741)
OMG, the towels quote.



and


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Originally Posted by mckerney (Post 3178745)


Did you not see his quotes and conversation on canned meat and water purification tablets?

I mean, how those didn't go incredibly viral I don't know.

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"I've never seen that before," he remarked, as he held aloft canned meat

Quote:

Here's the relevant passage, per The Post's Arelis R. Hernandez and Jenna Johnson:
"Wait," Trump said, "you put it in dirty water?"
"And then you can drink it after 10 to 12 hours," she explained.
"Would you do it? Would you drink it?" he asked.
"Sure," she said.
"Really?" Trump said, a disgusted look coming across his face.
"Really," she said.


mckerney 10-08-2017 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3178757)
Did you not see his quotes and conversation on canned meat and water purification tablets?

I mean, how those didn't go incredibly viral I don't know.


Truly a politician for the working man.


RainMaker 10-08-2017 12:09 PM

Who was the President who was baffled about supermarket scanners back in the day?

digamma 10-08-2017 12:36 PM

Bush 41

CrescentMoonie 10-08-2017 12:48 PM

I held out hope that Pence was an actual adult in part due to knowing someone who worked for him in Indiana. I guess it's time to admit he's nothing more than a grandstanding political opportunist.

Vice President Pence walks out of Colts game over 49ers’ national anthem protests - The Washington Post

NobodyHere 10-08-2017 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3178765)
I held out hope that Pence was an actual adult in part due to knowing someone who worked for him in Indiana. I guess it's time to admit he's nothing more than a grandstanding political opportunist.

Vice President Pence walks out of Colts game over 49ers’ national anthem protests - The Washington Post


Given the teams it was probably a smart decision.

mckerney 10-08-2017 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie (Post 3178765)
I held out hope that Pence was an actual adult in part due to knowing someone who worked for him in Indiana. I guess it's time to admit he's nothing more than a grandstanding political opportunist.

Vice President Pence walks out of Colts game over 49ers’ national anthem protests - The Washington Post


He's the one that signed a law in Indiana for allowing workers to act on their conscience while on the job, right?


NobodyHere 10-08-2017 01:43 PM

Pence still has the right to react however he wants. I'm not sure what's so difficult about that concept to some people.

CrescentMoonie 10-08-2017 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3178772)
Pence still has the right to react however he wants. I'm not sure what's so difficult about that concept to some people.


He knew what was going to happen, he went anyway under the pretense that he was there for Manning's jersey retirement, then he walked out and made sure to get a statement out to the press. He's a grandstanding opportunist jackass.

JPhillips 10-08-2017 02:19 PM

#snowflake

JPhillips 10-08-2017 02:21 PM

dola

That time when Scalise argues for legal missile launchers.

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“Is there a limit?” Todd asked. “Is the right to bear arms unlimited or is there a limit?”

“Look, the Second Amendment really predates the Bill of Rights,” Scalise replied. “It is a long history in our country to make sure that you protect the right of citizens to bear arms.”

“But is it unlimited?” Todd pressed.

“It is,” Scalise replied.


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