Go outside if you need a mask break. Having worked in restaurants I truly do empathize with them, but they have to know the perception.

And in NY it isn't just perception. If somebody turns them in, I didn't and won't, they'll get some good sized fines.

I don't mind if the folks in the back where masks, tbh. The far less of a risk of transmission on surfaces and the high heat (and it's affect on viruses) make me ok with it. However all public facing employees should surely be wearing them.

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But its Perkins....

Mmmmmm....Perkins.

Good to know companies are planning ahead. The article does go into more detail on preparation by Hormel, General Mills, Kellogg, Campbell, Walmart, Coca-Cola.

Probably a good idea to buy some extra canned foods, paper products, and other things you will eventually eat & use.

Grocers Stockpile, Build ‘Pandemic Pallets’ Ahead of Winter - WSJ

The big new outbreaks in NY are driven largely by the Orthodox Jewish communities that are basically ignoring all precautions. My county has a 20% positivity rate, but almost exclusively driven by the Kiryas Joel community and surrounding areas.

Same problem here in New Jersey where there is a huge hasidic jewish community in Lakewood. They really are the worst. Zero interest in following the rules and claiming rule of their god over public health. They clogged up the hospitals around here in March. They couldn't care less about the rules of effects their behaviors have on anyone else. That goes for everyday life also, not just the pandemic. They are terrible.

Lest anyone think my comments were anti-Semitic my dad and his whole side of the family are Jewish. These people are in a world of their own and are human cockroaches.

Here in Maine we still have very few cases and very little community transmission, but our largest outbreak is fueled by a church in Sanford which insists on continuing to hold indoor services with choirs (in addition to an indoor wedding the pastor there served at). It's nothing like these other larger communities but it's frustrating that there are groups who are somehow seeing this as an act of faith to refuse to wear masks or gather carefully.

If I'm out and see the Amish I get the fuck out of their airspace. They travel in packs and aren't too keen on masks.

I find their behavior and attitude has a lot left to be desired. I really want to know where the groups are that demand that they 'integrate into American culture'? Because it's ok to say that only to certain groups, but not to others.

Or deoderant

Or the return of rational thought instead of tragically asinine paranoia.

{thinks a minute}

Yeah, you're right. A miracle cure probably has better odds.

You may want to rethink this language. It has really bad historical context.

I used to live close to a large Amish community. Nicest people you could ever meet. I am surprised they are not wearing masks because they are allowed use of modern medicine. I wouldn't think it was political either.

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We disagree on much but we agree on this.

Change the context from hasidic jews cockroaches to brown illegal cockroaches and this board would be in an uproar at the bigotry. Glad that you (so far) proved me wrong on the oblivious hypocrisy.

I have been to at least 2 different Amish restaurants in OH. It may have been because they were in the service industry but I really didn't notice anything out of the norm (and there was at least one really cute girl!). They interacted with their customers just fine and didn't smell, sound funny etc.

I will say I was disappointed at the food because I was expecting something different. But it was pretty much the typical fried chicken, spaghetti, biscuits etc. They did have pies that I've never tried before - rhubarb and something like "three berries pie" but don't think they are specific to the Amish.

It has nothing to do with hypocrisy. Cockroaches has a very specific historical context towards Jews. I don't think Lathum meant it in that way, but if it were me I'd use different language.

I don't know about these businesses, but it isn't uncommon for Mennonites to front Amish businesses.

This thread has gone in a weird (and somewhat uncomfortable) direction I did not expect

SI

We have gotten back most foods, toilet paper and paper towels. Are we ever getting printer cartridges back and if so, back to a normal price? $95 is not going to be a thing that I do.

Clorox wipes are still fleeting. I've managed to get a couple of tubs (as we use about half a tub during monthly cleaning) so we're set for a while but have to be pretty eagle eyed to see them. Everything else has been smooth sailing for a while. Most of the grocery supply issues seem to be more of not having a particular brand and them not wanting to give my a more expensive sub for the lower price than anything else.

SI

I'll assume you know nothing about Lakewoods hasidic jews and how they conduct themselves. Brown illegals come here to make a better life for themselves. They want to work hard, not make waves, and earn a living for their kids and send money to their families back home. I own a business in a commiunity full of them. I know these people.

Twenty minutes away is one of the largest hasidic jewish communities. They have destroyed the town they live in. Purposely tank real estate, destroy the schools, etc...they actively look to destroy everything around them to suit their needs. They are very organized and run their communities like a corrupt business. I would feel the same way if they were any religion.

Race, religion, corruption and politics: A guide to the crisis in Lakewood - nj.com

Influx of Orthodox Jews in Lakewood Causing Growth, and Conflict | New Jersey Public Radio | WQXR

As for historical context I am not aware of any and meant no offense.

While I agree with the jist, it is pretty offensive to call Jews 'cockroaches'. I'm glad to hear that you were unaware of the problematic history (to say the least) of term and I would counsel you never to use that word again (especially around Jewish people).

duly noted.

You are from that area, I think you get why I would describe them with that term.

Wow.

We'll agree to disagree.

I do not consider this "racist" but do consider this extremely "bigoted" and will wait (may be a long while though) to hear from others condemning this. Not because the word "cockroaches" have a "problematic history" re: Jews but because of the word itself.

I'm sure you've thoroughly researched all the definitions so I'll accept your findings.

Nice pithy comeback. Sounds like what Trump would have said Tue night when he was sulking.

Lighten up Francis.

Best thing you could do is say I'm sorry or I misspoke. Instead you continue to insert foot into mouth and digging a much deeper hole.

You must have been to busy with your faux outrage to see this.

My outrage (actually more like confused amusement at the oblivious hypocrisy going on here) is not on the "historical context" or the "problematic history" as your bros tried to soften your words, it is describing them as cockroaches.


I guess you can call a group of people cockroaches and not mean to offend, but not in my world.

Fair enough.

If you are from monmouth or ocean county NJ you would understand my use of that word with regards to them. As far as I know Isiddiqui is the only other person on this board from there and he got the jist.

Again, I apologize for my ignorance with regard to not knowing the historical context of that particular word. I won’t apologize for my generalization of them.

Getting back on to the subject at hand ...

I personally have not had any vaccine reactions as bad as the 5 described below (and I've been vaccinated quite a bit traveling overseas). Sore spot where the injection went in and that is about it.

I hope they are the exceptions or that the approved vaccines will be more finetuned.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coro...headaches.html

I'll elaborate if anyone thinks it's useful, but I agree 100% - hence my one-word post preceding yours. It's not even the only problematic post (or poster) on this page of this thread in that regard.

As above, I have a problem with broad brushing any group of people from a faith (or race, gender, etc) like that.

(EDIT: Unless there's something inherent in their beliefs that would be part of the broad brush. For instance, if there was the "Club for Guys who hate Oreos", hating oreos is kindof in their name. Similarly, this fits into the "If you're voting for a particular candidate/political party, there are things you value some things more than other things" because otherwise, you'd vote for the other person)

SI

Believe me when I say their faith is completely irrelevant. My comments and opinions are in no way critical of their religious beliefs. They are rooted in the fact they are a criminal enterprise hiding behind a religion. This isn’t akin to saying all Muslims are terrorists. It’s more like saying all members of isis are terrorists. I wish there was a better way to describe them, because I know how it comes across. You’ll just have to trust me when I say if you had experience with this group you would understand what I’m trying to say, albeit poorly.

yeah my initial reaction is to agree 100% with this. The whole thing makes me extremely uncomfortable and if someone who was right leaning making the post I imagine there would be a ton of people jumping all over it. Wow, and ick.

How have you never had a rhubarb pie? My all time favorite pie is Strawberry/rhubarb. Heat in the microwave and plop some vanilla ice cream on it and man I am in heaven. The right balance of sweet and tart. So, so good.

We differ quite a bit but thank you for that acknowledgement about the hypocrisy.

We have an Orthodox community in Orange County, and they have caused a number of problems refusing to follow state and county laws, and I find their treatment of women objectionable. That being said, I think Lathum goes way too far in his language and I called that out a while ago. The comparison to ISIS isn't much better.

My wife makes good pecan & blueberry pie. We also buy frozen pies once in a while but don't remember ever seeing frozen rhubarb pie (or maybe I never looked for it).

Yeah, vanilla (w/beans) ice cream is great on pies.

It is clear I am doing a poor job explaining myself, and will probably just make it worse so I am just going to say I am sorry and move on. I have no hate in my heart and sorry it comes across like I do.

and I like pie.

Highly recommended reading:


FAQs on Protecting Yourself from Aerosol Transmission - Google Docs


Group of scientists from different fields from collecting the current knowledge/consensus (but also unclear stuff) around transmission in general and aerosol transmission in particular.
Easily understandable, comprehensive and relatable to practical aspects. Done in FAQ style and thus can jump here and there depending on what piques your interest.


As an aside: Mother of a friend had to get testet as a known contact today. Said friend helped me and my parents move some furniture around yesterday, so fingers crossed she's negative (Results take 1-3 days ...)

It's only fair for me to mention, not to prolong the discussion or anything, that Lathum clearly wasn't comparing anyone to ISIS. That was an argument from logic.

This is the issue with sports in the Covid era...

Sale Sharks: Premiership game with Worcester Warriors to go ahead despite Covid-19 cases - BBC Sport

16 positive cases in a squad, but unwilling to not play as it will cost them a playoff spot. A ‘crucial’ game to play, maybe more crucial not to play

That's so wrong. These are times that require special precautions as we/they knew well ahead of time situations like this would come up. The schedules that were made, they knew there was a 99% chance that COVID-19 would show up and put games in danger. What happens if both teams have a positive case, do both lose by default, or does the team that was cowardly enough to report it last win?

The problem with forfeiting as a punishment, it will encourage to not properly test players and field infected players. Besides, why on earth do these sports teams need to be tested so thoroughly and take away from the testing capacity that's so scarce all across the globe. Many countries are still amidst their rising peak, while others are heavily battling their second wave, as governments start buying testing capacity across borders in bidding wars.

In the remainder of 2020 all team sports should have the same guideline: 1 positive case on a team and all the games of that team in the next 7, 10, 14 days (whatever the guidelines of quarantine are in their homeland) must be postponed. No exceptions.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/healt...lts/index.html

I hesitate to post but I am hoping the CDC is back providing to non watered down information.