(don't think we'd wanna)

So we can lie away then ;) JK, have a good night of fearless GM, or whatever you're called.

I was busy at work today and didn't feel like discussing the merits of Coldplay, and then went out for the evening. The fact that post count is used for any kind of vote analysis is pretty laughable with how many useless posts a number of people throw out there. While I agree that talking in the thread obviously helps people get a "read" on you, I don't think Abe's playlist has given us any deep insight into his motivations this game.

may and j23, are you SURE you aren't still evil? LIke have some leftover evil in you?

arg...MAU I mean.

J I was just trying to suggest who might not have been checking in. There was obviously a lot of BS talk today which I alluded to shortly after including myself. UTR would be a smart strategy for at least a couple bad guys this game though. We've done some UTR lynching lately but I think most of the voting is trending towards the talkative. Plus the more you make bad guys talk (not insinuating anyone on that list was bad) the more chances they have to slip up.

Sucks about hoops, we never got to see him in red tights

Well there's always you, Jackal.

But in general more posting is better. Very hard to read UTR people that slip by, even harder with less useful pointed vote histories.

But I'm sure people will start chiming in with non-coldplay related news tmw. At least we know there should only be one NK max next phase and there have been some seer scans.

My vote looks pretty bad, I can't begrudge some "hairy eyeballs" as autumn would say

Bedtime here

I am going to Metropolis !!! That is like Disney right?

I meant you could wear the red tights.

I'd agree that conversation actually about the game is helpful. More than half of what was posted today just makes it harder to go back and find the information about the game if the need arises. Perhaps it's just that I don't know the Coldplay-2face connection that everyone else seems to know.

Okay fair enough j23. No more coldplay. What jumps out at you? anything? Where are your thoughts?

Well after looking at things I just don't get a good vibe from CF. Maybe it is the all caps two face post, or the Hoops starting the run on him and hoops subsequent lynch, or his asking for me to vote for him and his voting for himself. Just strange behavior.

Vote CrimsonFox

Dola, I guess there was no flare for you Crimson, completely forgot about your request until right after I posted.

Tripe Dola, if there is some compelling reason to move I will move, but I feel fairly comfortable with this vote right now. Also looking into things more the Bug and Saldana votes don't look so bad right now unless we find out Zinto two face, which is possible, but not sure if I feel as confident that is the case. I will be on my phone all day tomorrow and have my NBDA meeting in the evening so I will post the voting tallies when I get home, probably just after the night kill. I will change vote and respond if I see something that I feel is intriguing.

sad. I need 37 pieces of flare to be satisfied.

hmmm I really hope the seer didn't waste a scan on hoops. Perhaps we should not be giving Twoface any more of these bright ideas.

Well that was a pretty sucky bunch of results then. I guess we should be happy there was no conversion. I guess Two-Face picked up on Danny's comment about Hoops being off (which was probably true) and took it to mean he might be a deranged citizen. Makes me think that there probably weren't any overt signals sent to Two-Face.

So Crimson - care to take us through what exactly you're hoping for with the capital letters business? I'm struggling to see any rhythm or reason to it myself.

I honestly doubt much can be read into voting record. Unless Two-Face was on the block at some stage there's not much you can say about it. Except the deranged will be voting for people who don't seem to be deranged, obviously (so you won't see them voting Crimson bada-boom-tishhhh).

I've been thinking and rethinking about you making this point and I've concluded that it probably means you're a villager.

If you're Two-Face then you could be signalling your followers to do what you describe but it's pretty clear that any vote/unvote on you is going to be ultra-suspicious.

I think you can make a case for you being Deranged and wanting to warn other Deranged people off of doing this.

Likliest is that you're a villager.

I wondering if the baddies vote Hoops or not. It seems likely that some people might think that Hoops was acting strange and connect that with him being a baddy so they'd want to steer clear of him. Then again if he's a villager then it's a golden opportunity to take out a good villager. If I were a baddy (and I'd thought things through properly) I think I wouldn't vote him and hope that 2-Face kills/converts him. But I'm not sure I'd think of that at the time. Normally I'd be suspicious of Hoops day one voters but I'm not sure that holds up in these circumstances.

i didnt see anything strange about hoops from yesterday. i think it is much more likely that two face simply eliminated a dangerous villager

Right now I see Lathum as a good bet for Two face

Corrupt people: mckerney, mauboy, and dzilla, possibly Danny

1st subset - people who always vote hoops first: Lathum, Saldana, , possibly sndvls (although I don't know him that well), Danny (although he varies, Chief Rum

Second subset - people that were verbally upset by the lynch results and bothered to type it in.

oh yeah add Tyrith to the 1st subset

like this post a lot and feel better about her being a villager because of it. Only one with a really valid reason spelled out for voting for me. Then again a longtime player could easily pull an autumn-like good excuse as a wolf to do anything. Still, giving her a pass another day.

in fact unsure of my lathum as twoface theory. Could be Lathum or Tyrith. Although I really like Tyrith's posts today. Really helpful. Then again he was one of the only ones. Maybe TOO helpful ;)

Hoops is an interesting kill. I have to imagine two face was going for someone they thought might be a corrupted citizen. This likely means that A. No one made it obvious they were a corrupted citizen an 2. I'd guess that two face wasn't even involved in the vote at all (meaning Zinto and Crimson are not two face.

Saldana is a villager I am pretty sure.

Third subest - weird / driveby voters. I didn't include any of Danny's thousands of votes because who knows what they could mean. Something seemed weird about him today. I mean weirder than the normal weird.


he came back tho after the vote was it?


he DID post again a little later then disappeared.



1 of his, what was it 4 posts?


Also very little posting and a good generic reason.


superdriverby vote. Was a little active earlier but really short in his replies and then no reply after this, nor reasoning for suddening following me and Zinto.



A signal ? countersignal? What was this? Surely you would think there would be more accusations following this vote. Some response. Some "Aha, I see." but nothing...



This is normal Chief shpiel. Usually it's Chief voting for a villager shpiel. I still don't think I've ever seen Chief as a wolf before (or for that matter vote for one ;) )



Zzzzzzzzzzzooooom


They don't do they...


Unless you trying to create one...which he helps do.


Hmmm...




HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM..... conveniently at 7:01.

I do indeed get that vibe.

Like this methodology a lot and this post.
I don't totally agree with its usefullness as yes chief you thought of it, but that doesn't mean anyone else did. And if you are removing yourself, then you can also remove me and look at the people that unvoted me.

We'll call them subset 4 - Bug, Tyrith, Jackal.

Now let's see, what two names here have come up in multiple subsets?

I actually came back before the vote and posted several times. I did not see any reason to move my vote, without any strong feelings for anyone at the time.

Will be looking in throughout the day and may get a post or two in around lunch, but my activity will be sparse until evening.

Yeah I really couldn't remember. Just remembered little short votes here and there with little explanation. Then again it's day 1

Please stop causing problems :)

What? What am I doing? :) All i'm doing is listening to the BEST MUSIC EVER and saying how the wolves are are yellow for not coming out and fighting in the open that's all. :)

It is an old-school FOFC phrase, dating back to jbmagic ... before your time, based on the 12/2009 join date. My bad, was the equivalent of making a reference to Slapshot around my nephew who is in high school. Have to know your audience when making wisecracks :)

I know it was a wisecrack and was wisecracking back. :)

Already more evaluation than normal on day 2. normslly my day 2 vote is another cipher, but looking at the bits of evaluation... (esp. Chief's) it looks like Cf's name should be high in the thought processes of today. Thus...
Vote CrimsonFox

CrimsonFox is in an awful lot of those combinations. He certainly is not a bad vote today.

I can't hear you over the Coldplay.

Really I should have left my crazy vote/unvote for D1 of this game, might've told us more. That's why I voted CF in the first place, just wanted to see what happened, but when nobody did anything I moved to Abe who had been vibing a bit off. But that was a poor read on my part.

I agree finding out about CF might clear a little up, but want to look over the unvoting also.

So you've narrowed the possible Two-Faces down to two candidates. Good work! Lets lynch one today and the other tomorrow and then the game will be over.

But Crimson keeps cropping up on the Two-Face side of Chief's unvote patterns, so you're kind of contradicting yourself there.

I'm willing to bet that the whole unvote thing is a blind alley. I'm also doubtful about how hard we should be chasing Two-Face rather than potential convertees. Seems like we have a much better chance of getting a deranged citizen and when we do we can try to follow a trail back to Two-Face. Trying to shoot straight for Two-Face is less likely to work but more likely to give Two-Face an idea of who the converted people are.