DAMN YOU. I've been holding off and holding off on that one, thinking no one would think of him.

well I see Galaril has left.

I'll be gone for a few hours so Larry can make my picks for me as soon as the time comes.

bawhahahah

after usa+germany+uk went i figured there were only really 3 more decent countries with air forces...for my money i got the best of the 3 remaining

Yeah, he was really good :(

i'm sorry abe - if i knew about your man crush i would have taken the other person i had thought of

Way life goes

at least you don't have swine flu!

Nor will I with my Particulate Respirator!

yay!

I bet it helps you score mad bitches too...

Tres mad, as in, pissed off. By my sexiness

it's bad...i've become a bad person. i don't refer to them as girls or ladies anymore. i pretty much universally refer to them as "bitches" - at least unless i'm talking about a friend or a family member

Sorry I was in a meeting, boys.

5.11- Darius the Great,Iran (Persia), Justice MINISTER, Pre 20th century

Solid choice

Loved the JP II pick as I thought of him for Chief Diplomat too.

Darius the Great as Justice Minister? Interesting. I thought of him only as the guy who got his ass kicked by Alexander (Unless that's a different Darius).

That was Darius III. Darius the Great is Darius I. (Thank you, wikipedia)

Lathum picks:

5.12 Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th
6.1 Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th

Galaril:
6.2 Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th

And there goes my Air Chief.

Im here, will make my pick

6.3 Alfred Hitchcock, Artist - United States, 20th century

Born in the UK, but he became a citizen of the United States and helped make Hollywood Famous. Hitchcock is largely considered the most influential director ever and film has become the dominant form of art in our society. That would not have been possible without Hitchcock.

Yup mine too.

So couldn't or wouldn't here be UK since he was born there? What was the ruling on DT question a while back on what determines where someone is from birth, death or where they did the thing they are famous for?

The ruling, which he put in the first page, is that we can assign whereever we want as long as there is a connection.

I asked Larry before I made the pick and he said it was fine. I don't know the criteria, but he was a citizen and made famous here in the U.S.

So I was amazed that this would be the Irish diplomat selected. In fact, I said to myself, "David who?" So I wiki'd the name. No hit that matches the selections above (20th century Ireland). I did a quick google search, still nothing that matches up. Can you help me out here, as I am someone that is very interested in the Irish's history during the 20th century and the selections not made are boggling my mind.

Yuup

And even though he was born in the UK, I think Hitchcock is more connected with Hollywood.

From the first post:

3) To determine the country being used, you can pick birth, or if someone spent most of their life in a country, and is known for that country, then you can use that also. As long as there is some connection to that country, so someone doesn't pick FDR for Bangladesh, then I'll leave it up to the voters.

Plus it blocks another other US artists.

Which sucks because I was hoping I could sneak Frank Lloyd Wright in a few rounds.

Sorry, I missed that.

Yeah, there's been a lot of rules added or clarified over the draft so I totally understand!

Good catch I fixed it. It was John Hume. Not sure where I got David from. He along with Thrimble broked the "peace accord deal" in Northern Island the only person to ever win the Ghandi, Martin Luther Kng and Nobel Prizes in peace. I had also thought about Collins of course.

Or Jenna Jameson:eek:

I hope none of the guys before me take my pick...

Well, then, I hate to be that guy, but he's from the UK. :) (edit: and I do believe a UK diplomat has been selected)

My real curiosity is not taking someone from earlier in the century, but they certainly have their flaws (I was thinking De Valera over Collins). Davd Hume was a scottish philospher in the 18th century, btw. :)

6.4 Alberto Santos-Dumont-Air Chief-Brazil-20th century

Some say it was he and not the wright brothers that actually inveted the heavier than air flying machine. What's more his results could even be replicated unlike the wrights designs.

Thanks, that was who I was thinking of. And you are right on him actually being from UK if we are saying N.Ireland is part of England. Which as an irish descended 3rd generation american is hard to admit but true. Larry, give me a ruling and I can change the pick.

I think he just has to be connected, that's the rule. I'm totally fine with him being selected as Irish.

Ok, great......Lord Scarlett damn you I just realized you aren't even playing;)

So he can be Irish but the Scottsmen have been ruled as from the UK? It needs to be one or the other.

And I'm 3rd generation, but from the Republic :)

This is why people don't like me in the drafts. ;)

I might have left it alone if I wasn't stumped on the Irish history factor. :p

You have to connect it to an actual current country, that's teh rule. Ireland is a country. Scotland is not.

BTW, I really like the country rules in this draft, because it adds a real nice layer of strategy to it

Yeah, Hume is Northern Ireland, which would count as part of the UK. I don't see any substantial connection with Ireland itself, so that one would need to be changed.

Really?

Ireland is a country, but Hume is not from that country. He is from Northern Ireland, which is certainly different and part of the UK.

If someone can make a strong case to me, that he actually has a connection to Ireland, and not just Northern Ireland, then I would reconsider, but based on Wiki, I don't see even a minor connection.

Well not to start a holy war and will chnage it but I could spend a whole day arguing that N.Ireland was once and should be again considered Irish land and not British but.......so he may not have a major connection but he sure as hell has a connection for sure. Changed.

I don;t know that much about N Ireland politics. Here was what I thought:

The peace process itself is because some people want to forcibly remove the British from their soil and rejoin Ireland and a cease fire with these people was negotiated. Later negotiations and accords led to deweaponizing. How is a negotiation of peace with supporters and friends of that position not connection to Ireland? With the very issue at the core of the process whether or not N Ireland should flip to Ireland or not?


Now again, I could be wrong and my understabding may be off, so if so, I apologize for my ignornance of the issues in play here