For the first two seasons Lori and Andrea were 1 and 1a, and the more screentime Andrea gets the more she goes right back to her old horribly annoying self.

yeah, but I don't think he was outside when that happened. I originally thought it was Merle, but then we met him with the Woodbury people and he doesn't seem to know where Rick's group is.

Couple things I didn't like-that the prisoner Rick left for dead to the zombies somehow survived-and not immediately searching for Carol through the open door when there was just one body there and it wasn't Carol's.

T-Dog's death while heroic was ho-hum to me-they hadn't really done much with the character so didn't have much of a connection to him. And it seems like they have his replacement already. Lori's supposed death was much more emotional and well done. Could she (and the baby) have survived long enough for the others to get to her and perform the C-section more safely?

Not liking Andrea too much this episode-she's apparently been missing sex too much, I was surprised she didn't do it with both of them given how she was acting.

Yea, I didn't think that was Carol's body either. But I don't know, they seemed to think it was her.

I am going to post this in spoilers just because I can't remember where I read it from. I haven't read the comics or GN, but maybe someone did and posted it.

That's what annoyed me about that scene and the series of decisions that they made. It appeared (since they had already been outside and it was daylight and they were outside again in daylight afterwards) that not much time elapsed (maybe 1-3 hours, at most?), but she went into labor, identified that the baby was (presumably) in breech, and determined that she needed the c-section way too quickly. Sure the baby was in danger, but it is in danger of starving without its mother and they are in a men's penitentiary (so I'm not seeing a whole lot of formula options), Rick may or may not be dead for all they know, she already has one child, and Maggie knows next to nothing about delivering a baby. I have way too hard of a time believing that any of the three, forget about all three, would have made that decision. If I'm Maggie there, I'm holding off until it looks like Lori has absolutely no chance of surviving before cutting her open.

As for Carl going through with shooting her:

I think Carol is still alive, until we see/hear otherwise.

Otherwise, that scene where T-Dog sacrifices himself is kind of useless for us to see.

Carol is still alive. no doubt about it IMO

I feel bad for T-Dog. He never really got to have his own story, so his death didn't have the impact is should have. He was more visible this season than last season, but that isn't enough to make us feel for him like we should. The writers missed an opportunity here.

I'm in 100% agreement here. I could see a storyline involving Lori's kid, especially in the wake of Carol losing her daughter. Do I think she survives long-term? Hell no. But I don't think her number is up yet.

Agreed on Carol.

well that was one of the most heart wrenching episodes of tv ive ever seen, guh.

First I've heard about this... :)

Hines Ward appears as zombie on 'Walking Dead' (VIDEO)

Me too.

And it made me sad seeing T-Dog. Poor, T-Dog. At least he got to go out a hero.

Don't you think they need to get rid of that baby? I mean, if they thought the prison alarm was a zombie magnet, wait till that kid misses a meal.

It will be interesting to see how long the baby survives. This show has already shown that it will pull no punches.

I assume the idea of continuing on the human race wins out there.

yeah another non-opening credits person who will bite it at some point if she hasn't made the credits yet. I like the dynamic she brins especially with Daryl. I think she's more interesting than Andrea really.

i was expecting the baby to take a bite out of Maggies neck.

+1

Did anybody else think that the first glimpse of the baby we got kind of made it look like a zombie scowly face?

I was kinda expecting zombie baby too.

ha..."It's Alive"

This season has been OUTSTANDING so far. I agree some with the person who mentioned the contrivance of the Lori giving birth sub-plot, but I am more than willing to overlook it given the emotional impact of the final minutes of this episode. Just great stuff.

Um...I know ai haven't been watching but just how long have they been in this prison? Lori wasn't even showing signs in season 2. :)

They've only been in the prison for a few days.

That said, it's been very well established there was a 7-8 month (it's hard to know exactly given that time - other than night and day - and days themselves don't really matter anymore) gap between the end of season 2 and the beginning of season 3 when they found the prison.

LOL it took them 8 months to walk across the highway? Cause that's where the prison was from where they ended season 2. It was RIGHT THERE!

The prison was off in the distance. It wasn't /right/ there. They didn't know it was there and went in an opposite direction. They probably holed up in some places for as long as they could, kept it local, etc.

It's not that big of a stretch.

Pay attention.

Sure, a good idea when you're not fighting for your very lives every Sunday night. Although, your quote got me to thinking - I wonder if there's something about prenatal Mommy juices that makes newborns immune to the virus? THEN there really would be hope for the human race. Hump and hope, hump and hope ...

*sniff* yes, mother.

/pats your head

Good boy.

I'm sorry mother. I won't do it again. Can I go outside and play with the zombies now?

And actually what I remember is that the camera was on them, then panned up and wide and forward and it looked like it was down a small hill and ahead a few blocks behind a fence and hedges and stuff. But I only saw it once. Guess I can watch it again.

But going the other way is just typical of humans... That's right, they DID have cars. Guess they drove away. This reminds me of the convoy of stationwagons in Twister.

Carl? Is that you?

:lol:

There needs to be a zombie smiley.

YES! And I was honestly hoping for it. That would have been crazy.

Babies don't have teeth though, so all we'd get would be a good gumming

What about road signs for the prison? And they had county maps too...

Yeah, I hate to be a nerd but that size of a prison would have to show up on a USGS map. Especially since it had standard non electric bars, meaning it would probably be from pre-1994(and possibly the 1950s). It would be on a map.

Maybe the map they had didn't go far enough to include the prison.

Maybe the road signs for the prison were knocked down by cars or trucks veering off the road. Maybe they didn't come across any such signs.

Maybe the prison was on the map, but no one really thought about it as a real viable place to hole up until Rick and Darryl stumbled across it, saw it and had a EUREKA! moment.

Who cares?

It doesn't really matter.

Don't sweat the small things.

Thanks for saving me the time of having to say the same thing.

if they didn't fast forward, we would have had to endure 6 more months of pregnant Lori. be thankful.

The governor's daughter! Oh my God yes!

I want to see the Michonne sequence again, I think she missed the killshot on the 3rd zombie.

Nobody thought to grab some formula along the way?

And so, our merry bands draw ever closer together next week.

Ring ring...

We've traced the call... it's coming from inside the house

The fat walker ate Lori? Crazy.

Not as crazy as Rick (apparently) giving consideration to digging her out of there.

Or maybe he just wanted to make sure the slut was really REALLY dead.

I assumed he was going to try to recover her wedding ring. I thought that would have been a good thing for him to come back to the group with and kind of snap him back to reality. The phone should be fun, too, though. :)

The episode was full of some great stuff from the comic that I wasn't sure they'd put in the series like the Governor's daughter, the games and, of course, the telephone.

I feel like they've handled the Michonne/Andrea/Woodbury story a bit clumsily, but I was glad to see Michonne leave. It'd be stupid if she stayed after everything that went down. That said, I don't blame Andrea for wanting to stay either.

I recall the games from the comic, but forget the details. I think I liked the way they did it on the show better. It was more WWE with zombies than actual gladiator type fights, which makes sense. The way the Governor explained it - both a source of entertainment and a way to ease the fear of the walkers - made sense. I mean, other than books there really isn't any other outlet for people. The masses must need be entertained.

Oh, Darryl... You can't name the baby Little Asskicker. Though it does roll off the tongue a little easier than Sophia Anne-Carol-Andrea-Amy-Jackie-Lori Grimes.

When they were talking about going to find some, Maggie mentioned that the baby area of one store was cleaned out and that Lori had always asked them to keep an eye out for formula along they way, but they hadn't had any luck finding any.

I really don't get the nerd boners for Michonne. She's been fairly horrible to watch thus far.

It's more based on the comic and her potential rather than the execution of the character thus far.

I blame the writers on that one. The character has plenty of potential, they just seem determined on making her more one-dimensional than most walkers. Her katana has more personality at this point.

I thought it was interesting that Darryl ended up being the one to feed the baby. Since he is a TV-unique character, I wonder if he might have more of a family background than we may have considered? Otherwise, kind of an odd choice (out of the dozen or so folks there) to be the one to feed the baby.

BTW, am I crazy or have the walkers pulled people apart with the fingers before? Not too big of a deal, but just removing teeth seems like it misses some of the previous "powers" of the walkers.

Remember the whole mistreated-as-a-kid aspect of Darryl's backstory? I'm thinking the baby thing (as with Sophia previously) is meant to establish some of his issues, most likely to set up him ultimately being less than thrilled to see his brother return to the scene.


I think it's supposed to emphasize the declining condition of the walkers.

I had mentioned that last night too, and my wife had thought that maybe she was planning to breast-feed (which seems to make sense given the situation).

Or they assume that they can more quickly get away from their grasp than their bite.

To be honest, there aren't that many more dimensions to her in the comic either. She was crazy for a little while, talking to herself, but that just disappeared. Beyond that, she's black lady with a katana.

They are generally fit, strong fellas who are doing the fighting, not some pudgy self-righteous old dude in a On Golden Pond hat.

That's a lady????

Exactly :-D

I have to say, I've been very impressed with the way they've handled the adaptation from the comics. They've included so many things from the comics - helicopter, Woodbury, telephone, Lori's death, etc - but have integrated them differently. In most cases, I think they've improved the storyline.

And to think all these months no one tried to see if this POTS works with a POTS powered phone. See if everyone didn't have cordless or cellular phones things would have turned out so much better!

(POTS for those at home stands for plain old telephone service).

I hadn't even thought of that, Dan...my first thought was "how is the phone working?!" Duh...

I agree, but, then again, I've been labeled as an "apologist" so take that for what it's worth. :D

edit to add spoiler tag -- I thought I was subtle enough, apparently that may not be the case.

Ahh, someone read the comic. ;-)

Nah, just the online summaries of the comics :)

This reminds me that Rick is Rick Grimes. Which makes me wonder why I haven't seen a "I'm Rick Grimes, bitch!" meme.

Really, this needs to happen.

oh, you still are. :lol:

I thought it was a decent episode, but didn't really advance the plot forward by much.

I am assuming the three graves being filled back in is a bit in the future? They didn't really find any of the bodies to bury.

I am guessing it is someone from the town calling the prison, although according to the comics that is different?

So I still can't believe they just think Carol is dead and did nothing to try to find her or her body.

I felt like it was subtle enough to not require the spoiler tags, I can come up with several possible meanings for it. Thought it would only be clearly identifiable to those who know the source material (or have seen it spelled out in some recent interview stuff online iirc).

If it actually spoiled anything for anybody then I apologize, definitely not my intention.

And the whole what happened to Lori thing does not make sense. Obviously, that zombie had just had a snack but what happened to Lori's bones? If Carl didn't finish the job and she woke up, wouldn't there be a trail of blood?

Nothing really made sense about that scene.

I have been too, but that was for a completely different topic on this board.

Considering two zombies couldn't finish T-Dog, but, one completely devoured Lori? Odd.

I know this. I've read up to 99 in the comics... ;)

Considering her grave is already filled, I think they just didn't show the body...

I always considered the fact that zombies consume people but then stop so the person can become a zombie odd, personally. ;) Considering they are creating a competing zombie for the scare amount of food in their world.

Cool. I edited my post to add spoiler tag to what I quoted.

I've never really noticed that. I've really only seen this: If you're caught your food. If you somehow get away, you will soon join the ranks of the....wait for it...walking dead.

Like I said, the grave digging and being filled in was just a bit of foreshadowing. I think eventually they find all three bodies.

Yeah but they go to great lengths to show every gory bit of people's bodies on the show-including T-Dog's. So why not do the same with Carol? And the promo for next week shows some doubt there doesn't it?

I was confused as anyone about it, because they didn't show her dead, but then they showed Daryl at the grave and it filled. So who knows.

+1. Nothing that has happened with her has had any meaning at all for me. They can keep her dark and mysterious and that's fine, but they can't do that and expect the scenes with her unlocking and killing the walkers, or her scene with the Governor, or her ultimatum to Andrea about leaving the compound mean anything at all. Those are all things that could be deeply interesting if they happened with a well developed character that we care about, but with someone that we know little about, who cares? Given Andrea's past, I don't trust her judgement or actions either, so the fact that she has an 8 month history with Michonne, without any more details past that, doesn't clear anything up for me. It could still easily go somewhere, but so far, its the least interesting part of an otherwise very strong season.

Less filling, tastes great?

I don't know that Carol is dead, unless we are supposed to do some herculean inferring from the last episode. Just jumping to a filled grave with Daryl mourning seems a little too obtuse for this show. Combine that with the Exec Producer coming out and saying that she was dead on "Talking Dead", and I think we've just been thrown a red herring.

Haha! Good point.

Carol is definitely not dead. They wouldnt kill off one of the team offscreen like that. Maybe she ran into another group or is hiding alone somewhere but I dont think she's dead. T dogg sacrificed himself so she could live.

I have to give the writers some amount of credit...if she really IS dead, then they royally F'D it up. The filled-in grave seems very strange...because why even bother digging it if you have no body yet? The only body they did have was T-Dog's, yet they still dug 3 graves and they seemed to have them all filled (granted they assumed they could go back and get Lori's I suppose).

A lot of explaining to do yet...

To be fair, he already knew he was going to die.

So this is a good show? I should catch up on it on Netflix?

Season 1 was good. Season 2 kind of boring because they became stationary for too long. Season 3 good so far because there's more action and movement. Definitely worth watching.

+1, I don't have a problem with anything I've seen on screen so far around this, but hearing that an executive producer came out and said that she is dead throws a weird wrench into all of that. If someone on the show clears up information like this then I expect it to be accurate. IF she is dead, then they've handled it very strangely on the show so far. IF she isn't, ridiculously poor form outside of the show and completely unnecessary fucking with the audience. Just don't answer the question at all, leave the matter open.

I think it's one of those shows that is so culturally persuasive that someone might think that you were a little bit "off" if you don't at least have a baseline of familiarity with it.

If they lie about her being dead it is most certainly a betrayal of the audience/show relationship.