you're ok in my book autumn

big help to all of us actually.

I did not make a big deal out of it...I just asked DT and he thought that it was suspicious cause he was not made aware of it. I also think it is suspicous because Autumn threw a quick vote on me....For the record I still think it was out of hand and could be a quick way for the wolves to prioritze kills.

Think about this..Im not saying it is true but just think about it. Autumn is a wolf. Autumn sends out asking to confirm roles. Autumn obviously knows who villagers are,so every villager wants to build a COT. Thus Autumn knows all villagers will give an honest reply. So Autumn confirms most villagers and a few wolves...making them into the COT with a fair amount of villagers. This way Autumn and more wolves join COT...they have a list of the best roles to kill....they kill a few....we lynch a few more because they arent in the COT....and bam...game is very close to over...

I know its a long shot but that is how i think...

@11:57 PM

1) you are okay
2) i am ok with autumn. if autumn is a wolf then i know of multiple other wolves right now.
3) i trust you

You guys sure PM a lot, I've sent a grand total of 1 and received a grand total of 1.

Wow, I didn't get any positive affirmations in my messages from DT. *sniff*

But I'm okay, you're okay Jack.

Trust me, PMing's not as great as it's cracked up to be.

You know, BK and I try to give a new ability to players in order to make things more interesting and this is the thanks we get? Sheesh :rant: :p

I think it's useful for one of us (DT), but not sure how much for others to this point. It does have potential to be valuable as more people are trusted.

@12:18

1. All of the above
2. pepperoni, or sausage + buffalo moz + basil (if i'm at a classy place)
3. nope!
4. tons

the last thing you said: *nods*

Also - you're good in my book

believe me - it'll be useful to all of us

Is this a PM response? I figure there's an aim to what you're doing here, but since I'm not in on the PM party, I don't really know what to make of posts like these. ;)

yes - it's a PM response. i've started giving them by the time they were sent to me, so that way the wolves can't draw any conclusions based on who i'm sending the answer to

Makes sense. Thanks, DT!

....no leads...day 3. We need something people...I hope with your contacts DT that we get someone soon.

DT....question in thread...feel free not to answer...do you have any COT...? I mean you have brainD and hopefully some more with seer scans/role reveals of the singlar nature...are you close to pinning anyone down? Im just lost at what to do...currently my vote is on Autumn but if you trust then so do I. You must have a good reason. Thanks for relaying everything so far

@1:02am - fairly certain. if that person is bad they have tied multiple others to them as being bad, which would be very poor play. person has also demonstrated power to me successfully.

re: pm that i SENT at 1:02am - clarification needed. 4th paragraph (one sentence, starts with "you mentioned") - please answer in-thread "Yes" or "No" (since i know you don't have PM's for a few hours).

Note: this is NOT the PM that i mentioned in #1221 (that one was received at 1:02)

yes

lol

now what if somebody else posts no to also try to cover for the person?

mass confusion!!!

I'm just gonna let you roll with this and trust some good is coming of it. :)

Kinda feels like important crap's going on, but only one guy knows what's up. It's exciting and annoying at the same time. ;)

i agree.

@1:27 - it's something to be considered for sure. soon perhaps hmm?

@1:27 again - might want to check with me first

Working late 'cause I'll be out tomorrow morning. So, I'll probably check in around noon or so, whenever I manage to get back to work.

hmm - sleepytime

I'm confused and annoyed by my computer. I might have to steal my wife's, even though it's mine too.

sorry i missed all the action last night.

fwiw, i am really apprehensive about having everything go through DT as far as information/cot goes.....if the conspirators can manage to kill him, we are back in the dark ages as far as this game goes

we also have to take into account that, at this point, they know our strategy of building around Jack, so we have to assume that there are 4 or 5 people out there that are currently doing as much as they can to confuse him or deceive him...i personally think it is much easier to deceive 1 person than 20, so if wolves are PMing him, he doesnt have the benefit of the rest of the village to help see through it.

this just feels like a recipe for a disaster.

Ugh, not that we could expect a better result with two different bodyguards dead already, but I hoped for something good when I checked in.

This was my sneak peek. I'll be out for a few hours.

FWIW - I was one of the people that Alan chose as an advisor.

plenty will be made clear soon. as hoops said to me yesterday "the whole interesting thing about this game is what and how much you choose to reveal to people and when."

and i'm mindful of that. I don't want to give the wolves too narrow a target list too early by putting out a trust/untrust list with too few people on the trust side, cuz that just lets them narrow it down too fast.

i will say this - i have been dispensing bits and pieces of the puzzle to people as we go, so that others should have the info.

interesting that you're pushing for me to reveal info when nobody (including me) has heard much of anything from you at all the whole game.

Hi Chiefy

Hi Thom

Hi DT! Catching up while I can before the boss is right around the corner, ya know? ;)

I will shortly be disappearing for several hours, as usual (ugh).

yep i hear ya. although my boss is out today and unless i get swamped i'm going to cut out and go off and catch a Cape League game this afternoon.

*waves to Brian* Sorry dude - once you're better you can have Kim.

quiet so far this morning - shit when did it become 9:30?

OTOH, we know we can trust Jack. He's a verified good guy. And since he's Jack Bauer, he probably has powers to block being killed. From DT's posts, it seems that he's building a CoT, so he'll have other villagers he can PM to help see through any wolf tricks.

:eek: isn't this like your first game of WW? i wouldn't expect such a common-sense post.

Hello there Jack! Nothing new to report on my end I'm afraid.

well losing Alan is a big blow for us. :( What should we be looking at today then? People who voted for both lynch victims? Or perhaps PurdueBrad who's been on the block twice now and survived?

LOL!

Well I did just have some coffee... that explains the common sense ;)

Well I'm considering doing a bit of a data-dump. I just don't want to give too much away and narrow down the wolves hunting-list too much.

Even when I do reveal things I want to be mindful to do what I can to keep certain people hidden, especially in the absence of our BG (RIP Tyrith).

I thought perhaps you had stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. :)

You're doing a good job keeping the balance DT, just keep giving us stuff to work from.

i have thoughts on everyone else in the game, with some sort of roadmap

i have probably somewhere around ~40% of the remaining people in the game on a "high trust" list - of those 1 is lower than the others, 1 i could see being a wolf and using their power to buy my trust, 1 could be the same way but the chances are much smaller IMO, and the rest are totally clear.

2 people have claimed powers that we cannot verify publicly (or me privately for that matter). 1 person i haven't heard from all. 3 people have roles it would be difficult (but not impossible) to test publicly. 2 people pushed quickly (via PM) to use their powers against autumn last night (might be nothing but might be something). the rest of the people in the game there are conceivably ways for them to demonstrate their power publicly and move onto the high-trust list.

i wouldn't share the complete picture and all thoughts with everyone on the "totally clear" list though. just to be clear.

first, i am not pushing for anything, i am just saying i am concerned that we have all our eggs in the daddytorgo basket, and that the wolves could be using you to try to hide themselves.

second, no, i havent sent you (or anyone else) any of my 4 pms...havent seen a reason to, or a value it in...nothing can be confirmed, and it has been my experience that more problems come from sharing with someone you dont trust 100% than not sharing at all (a fact that you have proven two nights in a row)

We've got 20 players left? So 40% of them is 5. But 3 of them you seem to have questions about. So it sounds more like you've got high trust in 2, and medium trust in 3, IMO. Obviously, though, I don't know the specifics.

so my thinking today would be to go after the person who i've heard nothing from or one of the two people who have roles whose effects cannot be observed publicly.

well then my math on the % is off, cuz your numbers are not correct (i don't want to narrow it down too much more). i have high trust in between somewhere between 0-6 people

You don't trust DT? Or do you mean you don't necessarily trust him to make the right decisions?

Personally, I've been using my PMs to tell people my character's name, in case anyone else tries to use it or something. I'm not sure there will be much use in it, but I don't know what else to do with them. And I don't know what I'll do when I have sent it to everyone -- I guess by then, I might as well have just said it in the thread. Yeah, it's not the best method in the world or anything, but I guess this way I don't feel like I'm wasting my ability, plus I get to unnecessarily clog BK and hoops's inbox!

actually the way i explained it initially, the wording was poor.

I'm not too worried about the numbers themselves, rather the fact that you give this group "high trust" then add caveats to a good number of them, saying that you could see them being wolves. Probably just semantics, but I wouldn't call that "high trust" personally.

hey sal - are you a member of the conspiracy?

yes, semantics. there's a high-trust list and then that smaller list of 3. call them "medium-high trust" if you will.

it's 10am - i am probably heading out around 1:30. I'll have my phone and I can be online and post from my phone, but I will also be socializing and typing on my phone, so my activity will be reduced. But, mindful of the importance of my role in the game I will try to check in at least like...once an hour in case there are PM's or important questions.

I think I may need a flowchart ;)

LOL

DT, what are your thoughts on PurdueBrad? Right now, if we have no new information, we learn the most from his lynch as he has been involved in two votes thus far. I would have liked to seen him scanned, but if that's not possible then lynching him would make sense.

Today we have 18 players left, so we need 8 votes for 40%.

@saldana PM - okay *nods and moves you around on my list*

Whatever happened to that 36 hours vs. once per calendar week thing? I remember someone mentioning that the 36 hours could be made up, since it was an example given in the first post. And since the once per calendar week guy ended up being good, should we look at the 36 hour guy? I should add that I know who it is, since they told me in a reply to a PM that I sent.

my thoughts on PB. he has claimed a sort of "slow developing" role, so i'm willing to give him a little more time. he's definately not on my high-trust list though. but nor do i feel he is going to yield us a wolf.

that being said, i'm not going to throw myself under the bus for him and defend his innocence to the death, because i don't know for certain.

is that clearly-unclear enough?

negative. that person is okay in my book.

Sounds good. I figure it's a weird skill to have made up, anyway.

Anyway, seeing that phrase again made me think back to something I saw in the evening. I think you replied to a PM's in the thread, saying "you're okay in my book" a few times. Are these people asking you if you trust them? Cuz that just sets off alarm bells to me.

note - saldana never responded to my question about whether he was a member of the conspiracy. would be curious to know about that.

One of the PM's was mine, I don't know about the others, but I never asked DT if he trusted me (I just assumed he did since I am so cuddly :p ), but he replied that he did.

if i recall what you're thinking about, the answer is "not always." sometimes it was (and in those cases i would bet my jack-bauer life on it), and sometimes it was just deliberate over-use of that phrase to try to throw wolves off, and it essentially meant "thanks for the the PM. you're right about that" or "okay...i believe what you said."

What? The cuddly ones are the ones you have to fear the most? Haven't you ever seen Gremlins?!

important to note that that's a generic phrase i've been throwing out to people though - it doesn't imply where along the scale of trust they are. for all you know (and you too Danny) you could be the bottom man on the "medium-high" trust list.

That's true, but I am not wet

This is true, as I think it's been said for about half the players :)

That's fine. I'm not concerned too much with where I am on the list -- in fact, I'm probably not medium-high, let alone high. I was just worried that if people were asking you if you trusted them, it seemed to me like they were a little too excited to slip into getting your trust without the rest of the gang here having a say. But as long as you're keeping an eye on it, I'm cool.

Good, I'm glad Pass asked that because I had the same misgivings.

I was the other advisor Alan picked, BTW.

Oh yeah, path. The answer to your question is 'no' -- what you said doesn't really tell me anything (maybe it would if I watched the show), but I can't think of a reason I need to know anything more than that, anyway.

(and sorry for the late reply)

Even after sending you a PM? Seems like an obvious question that you know what the answer will be (unless you've got some sort of super lie detecting). I'll admit my suspicion on sal is only because he's voted for me twice, the second being mostly a hidden vote since the runs were on other people yesterday. But he's done nothing to convince me that he isn't at least suspicious. Don't know that I'll go there with a vote yet, but he's in my considerations.

Gotcha. Appreciate the reply.

I'd say if Saldana is refusing to send his role info to DT that's mighty suspicious. We know the wolves only have a few fake roles to hide behind, some of them have to be trying to avoid revealing. I'll have to look back but I seem to remember his votes being kind of odd too.

So yeah, I"m back. I don't think I've seen any voting at all (well except for me I guess last night). I'd be inclined at this moment to go for Saldana or nfg. I'm ggoing to look at the votes on me last night and see who might have seemed eager to take advantage of a runaway lynch.

I think DT indicated that he'd received a PM from saldana and then "moved him around the trust list" but then afterwards said that sal had not specifically said he wasn't part of the conspiracy. Which should really be meaningless.

@10:59am - *nods* thanks. that's all i needed to know.

uh...no, i am not a member of the conspiracy.

I am shocked! :eek:

no i didn't move him around on my trust list. i hope i didn't say that. i moved him around on my little "list of who's who and claims what sort of powers" and such.

like there's a group of "claims powers that we can't publicly verify ever" and a group of "these people have powers we can publicly test" and others.

thanks sal. that's helpful.

Ah, I think you simply said "moves you on the list", so I inferred trust list. Thanks for clarifying.

this is 100% correct, and i appreciate that you helped me out here considering i have voted you twice...yesterday's wasnt meant to be "hidden" as so much as i didnt have a chance to follow along during the day and had no clue where the votes were going, so i punted..

as far as specifically saying i was not in the conspiracy, i didnt state that in my PM, but even if i were, I would still say that i wasn't. [scratches head]

my little "cheat sheet" of role-based info if you will (names omitted).

The following people have claimed powers that we cannot publicly see the effects of -

The following people claimed powers that would be difficult to test publicly:

The following people pushed quickly (via PM) to use their powers on Autumn (perhaps to help us lynch a villager and then say "oh was just trying to help you jack" all innocently, but perhaps it’s nothing):
The following have powers that could be tested and the results could be publicly observed: NOTE - I ACTUALLY NEED TO BREAK THIS INTO 2 "publicly observed and clearly not a wolf" and "publicly observed and still could be a wolf"

I do remember both of your votes being early on in the day, which makes it tough to analyze. Day 1 aside, throwing an early vote and then not moving it and having very few posts gives me very little read on you.

And yeah.. I'd be very surprised if anyone came out and said, "Hey Jack, I'm bad!" so.. I wasn't expecting anything to come from that.

@11:09 - thanks. figured you'd know what to do with that.

My guess is someone has a soothsayer role and DT wanted it used on saldana.

are you all interested in looking at that "claims a role that cannot be publicly verified" grouping?