Is this included in the WW Math Book? :)

I just flat out don't think Eaglefan is a wolf. Just a gut feeling based on nothing else at all personally if it means much. I think there is a chance BK might be or might not be, but wasn't really enough for me to lead the charge on him today. Seems like plenty of other people felt the need to pick up that banner though.

Hey, this kind of stuff and spreadsheets (and databases.. need to create one for WW sometime) is what you get from a data geek :)

Gotta love data geeks!

Sounds like a good plan. So lets have all of the villagers vote me so they stay safe...

:)

Seriously.. the point of the lynch vote is to put your vote somewhere that you feel is the best chance to get a wolf.. The rest of the village relies on that voting history later down the road. If you or anyone else are throwing votes on me for the sole purpose of one thing that doesn't really even matter at this point.. then that is just selfish, and likely enough to get me to possibly just lynch you anyways.

If you think it through a bit, you can probably try to find a way to make sure you get your point across on who you think is a wolf while also limiting the people who could possibly night kill you. Once again this only matters once the cunning wolf is killed anyways though, but if you do a good job of it and die anyways later, you could pretty easily help single out who the wolf might be... Voting me does none of that and is a pretty self-centered vote in my opinion.

no you wouldnt,, im not a wolf and cant kill you. but the point is until the cunning wolf dies, it doesnt matter!

I thought you said in previous games that you DID create a database for a WW game. Backtracking again, huh? Don't make me vote you again! :rant: :rant: :rant:

a data geek woudl imply rational and detailed personality /= marrying RendeR

=)

VOTE CHIEF RUM

He is the most likely candidate to be a wolf at this time, in my opinion.

No, I said I wanted to but didn't have a means for accessing one from multiple computers. Right now I use Google spreadsheets so that I can get to them from both work and home. If Google makes an accessible database then I'd be all over that :) Although I think RendeR does have database access off of his domain.. but I don't know web stuff all that well so I'm not sure how I'd use it. Something to think about though :)

Why?

She married me for my massive Penis and Wizardly control of it.

I call my penis 'data' also. Or is it that I call my data 'penis'? Maybe it's both.

My my, somebody has a big ego :)

Did you find the hint too?

damn RendeR shes caling you out!

Last second move like that makes me think doubtful. It makes me think one of two other possibilities (1 good for Pass and 1 bad for Pass)

are you aware of it?

No.

I have a guess

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Oh, crap.

Shit.

Well, my guess was wrong - in his analysis post, EagleFan said he'd "sneak" in around lunch.

Crap

You hold it in your hand and wave it around?

Yeah, clever usage of words in posts I find are used just as often by wolves as by good guys and never seem to go over quite as well as planned anyways. I personally don't put much weight into them unless I actually am a wolf trying to find a seer or Bodyguard or someone that is hinting their role (which I know they aren't a wolf)

not a great outcome

Uhh, sorry that was in reference to what I am doing now. Sneaking in so my boss doesn't peak over my shoulder.

crap!

and there goes our best chance at catching the cunning wolf

Damn...sorry BK :(

Well that sucketh.

Sometimes....yes? Doesn't everyone?

I still don't believe DT


I scanned Pass, he came back human.

still dont?

That's about the worst possible result we could have had

Day 1

10 - DaddyTorgo - Lathum (339), LoneStarGirl (538), PackerFanatic (556), mccollins (605), claphamsa (946), SnDvls (659), Mrs. Schmidty (676), saldana (691), oliegirl (707), GoldenEagle (725)
7 - Lathum - DaddyTorgo (250), KWhit (278), Barkeep (283), RendeR (294), Danny (431), Telle (650), Passacaglia (745)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - EagleFan (362)
1 - EagleFan - Schmidty (394)
1 - saldana - Chief Rum (594)
1 - Alan T - Alan T (778)


Day 2


7 - Barkeep49 - Lathum (1052), PackerFanatic (1068), oliegirl (1072), mccollins (1079), Telle (1080), Mrs. Schmidty (1118), Passacaglia (1215)
4 - Chief Rum - LoneStarGirl (939), RendeR (1038), saldana (1175), GoldenEagle (1210)
3 - EagleFan - Chief Rum (1000), SnDvls (1065), claphamsa (1084)
3 - Lathum - Danny (1015), Barkeep49 (1040), DaddyTorgo (1089)
1 - oliegirl - EagleFan (943)
1 - saldana - Alan T (1044)

no vote: Schmidty

So much for putting DT in my CoT. I am actually starting to believe Lathum a bit more now as it seems like he is being setup by the wolves.

This will definitely give us a good chance to look over the votes to see who spear headed first the attempt at DT and then the run on BK (when there was no evidence for such a run).

what's your point alan?

lets look at the day 1 voting. We know 3 of the 7 votes on me were villagers. There is probably a wolf in the other 4. I have scanned Telle and PAss and both came back good for me.

Danny and Render are the other 2, one of them will most definantly be getting my vote.

Lathum, you now believe you are the real seer and not the fake seer?

So I have been working on this theory for a while. The wolves did not kill Lathum last night? What does that mean?

A) Lathum is a wolf

or

B) The wolves know that Lathum is the fake seer and while supply us with wrong information. How would they know that? Lathum scanned Telle the first night. The only way possible they know that Lathum is the fake seer is that Telle is a wolf.

B is the much more plausible scenario in my opinion.

Based on the result of that lynch I believe that Lathum is NOT the cunning wolf. I have to assume BK being the most suspicious of Lathum being the cunning wolf would have followed him as the spy. Since it is most likely that the cunning wolf would have made the night kill last night, since BK didn't report any such thing happening.. plus Barkeep's post 1040 stated he is more inclined to believe Lathum today than yesterday but still left the door open to him possibly being the cultist...

Sooo I think Lathum for now is off of my list of people who could be the cunning wolf.. that means if any other seer chose to scan Lathum to see if they could validate his claim.. you should consider a reveal if you get a Wolf reading from Lathum.. That would mean either:

1) You are a fake seer and getting that out of the way would help...

or

2) You are the real seer and found a wolf.

The only thing you may want to consider is that since the bodyguard is gone you will no longer have any protection.. so if you aren't ready to reveal just yet, I understand.

Either way, I think with BK's death we absolutely should move the vote today away from Lathum.. with the assumption he is not the cunning wolf and will turn up as a wolf to a real seer scan anyways. I think we have to at least consider like I have been saying for a while that day 1 may have been villager vs villager anyways.

Was getting to it. Don't panic, my point probably is ok for your short term future anyways.

We now have:

oliegirl, Mrs Schmidty, Lathum, PF and mccollins showing up on DT and BK.

Of those 5 I would bet that we have at least 2 wolves. Why not start there?

DT and KWhit both voted for only Lathum so it seems way too much like a setup there.

I think the wolves made the absolute best play as far as high percentages go...

Day 1 DT thinking he was a lynch goner probably put in a protection order to protect himself earlier in the day and didn't bother changing it (if he even wanted to)..

Thus I figured and evidently the wolves figured also.. that it was a better than 50/50 chance DT could not protect himself last night.. It was the absolute best time for them to go and kill him last night and get rid of the bodyguard... No matter what they would have left Lathum alone last night regardless if he is a villager. The chances of him finding a wolf AND being the real seer is much lower than the chances the bodyguard was blocked (if Lathum is telling the truth that is)

At this point, I am confident of two wolves:

1. Telle
2. Passacaglia

I've voted for one person on both days. How is that throwing votes around?

As an FYI this is the post I'm on and will likely comment on more as I catch up.

why are you interested?


VOTE DANNY

I think the simpelest explination is the wolves correctly guesses DT would protect himeself N1

confident?

Great question. Solely on suspicion. But not too surprising since I took a hiatus and players always seem to get a run on them after taking a hiatus.

I didn't mean throwing YOUR votes around, it was how you were getting others to put votes elsewhere - obviously I was mistaken.

Whoops. Just realized deadline was 3 eastern not 3 central as I had it in my head. I hate mid day lynches.

Because if you are the fake seer, we can't rule out people you have scanned, that's all. This seems like a revenge vote just because I voted for you. I felt you were the best candidate with the least amount of risk. With the most recent developments, I don't think I will feel like you are the best choice for today.

Really glad I didn't post a long response to an Alan T post I'd done.

You can send it to me in PM if you want. I love getting notes from you! :)

I wish I could but it's got a whole bunch of analysis in it, proving I'm not a wolf and casting suspicion on others. I'd think you'd believe the "I'm not a wolf" part at this point and wouldn't be fair to give other info.

not a revenge vote at all.

I already said I was going to vote for you or Render

I understand your vote. I just think it's important we don't automatically clear Telle or Pass just because you scanned them as good. And that is a main reason I voted for you and stand behind my first two votes. Everyone has said its much more likely you are the fake seer and you are potentially clearing wolves now.

Then this should confuse the hell out of you.

VOTE TELLE

Join me, and see if I unvote.

We all understand that he could be the fake seer -- I don't see that as a reason to lynch him -- no one sees Telle or me as being cleared.

That word jumped out to me too. Telle has been somewhat suspicious and I guess they could have been two arguing wolves, but most of today Pass. sounded like his normal questioning villager self...

He didn't meant 100% confident, as in scanned. He meant that he's pretty sure of it.

At this point I agree, but for day one and day two, I did not have a good read on anyone. Perhaps my votes were mistakes, but at the time I didn't see a better option.

I am not the seer, that is not what I am hinting at. There was no hint at all.

VOTE TELLE

I agree completely with Lathum, and was making notes that were heading to the same idea he came to - that Lathum's scan of Telle proved to the wolves that he was the fool, which is why he hasn't been killed. But that begs the question, who is the real seer? I have a couple of ideas in my head, the next 24 hours will hopefully prove my theory one way or another, but I'm not going to give details as we need to keep the real seer protected for as long as possible, especially now that we don't have a BG.

VOTE TELLE

Sorry everyone. My wife tried to wake me up when she left for work, but I guess I must've just rolled over.

Not an excuse, but as Mrs. S can confirm, I was going on almost 2 days with only 4 hours of sleep. Regardless, I should have had a vote in before I left work this morning, so again, I'm sorry.

Its eerily quiet this afternoon.

Schmidty, who would you have voted for?

I really don't know. I need to catch up, and then make an informed post.

I will tell you one thing - I wouldn't have voted for the good guys!!! ;)

Off to grocery shop. Pork soft tacos or barbecued ribs for dinner. Please stay tuned.

I just realized something very important...



We need to get someone named Roli to play WW here...

So then we can have a Roli Poli Olie

i would love for alan to explain why he was calling me out for my safe play as "not being a team player" and "making a throwaway vote", but then left his vote on me as essentially a throwaway, while our spy was getting lynched.

Well why didn't you tell me he was our spy before the lynch.. sheesh I would have moved my vote!


Lets try it again today!

Vote Saldana

I'm not sure I see the move for saldana. I agree with the thinking regarding Oliegirl, so for now Vote Oliegirl

Oh, and I'm wondering if all of those people who thought I was an idiot for saving the bodyguard on day 1 still feel that way or not.

LOL! That is actually where my screen name comes from...I gave my son a kitten for his 3rd b'day, he named it Rolie Polie Olie after the Disney TV show, that got shortened to Olie, and then it morphed into Oliegirl. :)

I am surprised it took someone this long to make the Poli/Olie connection though...

just for clarification I said the team player comment. Alan said the throwaway vote one.

and I stand by my comment. I understand why you did it, but think that it was a very selfserving move (and I fully admit I don't know you're role, but can see your reason for it as I originally stated)


again yes I still think you are an idiot ;). (see my original post on this subject) You can't say you knew DT was the bodyguard for sure though until his death today so you can't take full credit for saving the BG. You really just prolonged his death and cost us KWhit in the process :D :p

For other random thoughts that I have.. I'm still not completely convinced that Lathum isn't the cultist like I originally had suggested on day 1.

im the seer

I'm out for the night, SeaLion has a softball game at 9:30, we are going to grab dinner and hit Wal Mart before the game...I'm working at 9:30 tomorrow morning so I'll be around and hopefully will have time to catch up :)

This night time dinner you speak of doesn't happen to involve a main course of villager?

...

Just checking... :)

Cute

No, it doesn't. I don't eat villager, too gamey :p

wtf are you retarted?

vote saldana!

I appligoze for my non PC outburtst!

It's ok, only because retarted rhymes with pop-tarted

I am really never aggressive to be honest. I am enjoying this change. But I assure you I am not a wolf. The change is merely because I have not played WW in a long time and m first game back, the short game that just concluded, I did not speak up at all and things happened that I did not agree with and my team lost. So now I am going to try the aggressive approach.

So this was the second vote on Barkeep and he turned out good? Something to look at for tomorrow.

I totally agree with CR, SNDVLS and probably Render.... Olie and GE not so much... Saldana I dont remember AT ALL so i can't say

What's with the run on me?

Lathum's Day 1 scan of me couldn't have influenced the Day 1 kill.. they happen simultaneously. And on Day 2 they probably figured the body guard was going to guard him and thus killed the body guard instead.

I hope he explained this vote later on... made 3 minutes before deadline. VERY suspicious

No one asked me to.