On the subject of arrests, I agree that we should publicly decide on two people to arrest, leaving it up to the consuls has not worked. If we have extremely wealthy people who are not actively playing, it may be in our favor to arrest them. Of course that could backfire. Still, having wealth and not hiring anybody is nearly as bad as the traitors having the wealth. Lack of services and not using services well seems to be killing us in this game. That would suggest arresting Marcus Vaughnus and Lonsestar Girlus to me. Both have been rather quiet and not contributed to our success (hah).

In terms of who I suspect, I have bad feelings for Neonus Chaosus, Abeus Anxietus, Barkeepus and Grammus Atticus. But I don't have any hard reasons for that. I would support arresting any of them though if others have other reasons to suspect them.

Hoopus Guyus - can you tell us how you used the horses yesterday?

Autumn, I already mentioned it and it isn't a very happy story - I sent them to Alan who is unfortunately dead. Pretty long shot, I know.

The most frustrating part about it to me is that I initially went away from communicating with another player because I was worried that they would be a better target for death. But if I had gone through the suit review that I'm doing right now there is no way that I would have gone with Alan.

Sorry for spamming, I'm trying to post all myu thoughts and then get to work.

On services, I would like to see our wealthiest members agree to bid for the services that the Senate suggests to them. I think we can't afford to leave this in the dark. We have to know that we have secured certain services, and then we can at least restrain the actions of the traitors if not reveal them.

Just to get a proposal out there, I would suggest that:

Dodgerus Chickus bid for Maximus Maximus, ex-legionaire

Imus TheCrewus bid for (can he bid from jail?) Vitus AVidus, ex-legionnaire

Marcus Vaughnus bid for Ardentus Enthiastus, lawyer

Coffeus Warlordus bid for Shmidtyus, lawyer

Ironus Headus bid for Durus Pimpus, sex slaves

Lonestar Girlus bid for Macro Gothicus, ex-barbarian

Schmidtyus Schmidtyus bid for Balbus Senna, political philosopher (do we know what that guy does?)

I would like to suggest that we insist on the above, and that we then arrest any of these citizens who don't do as ask. Then at least we can be arresting senators for a reason. We can then ask what they did with their services, and arrest them if not used loyally.

Oh yes, I remmeber you saying that, thank you. Unfortunately it doesn't allow anyone to corroborate your story, which is either unfortunate or convenient ;-)

Why LSG with the ex-barbarian?

Also, Schmidty has already had the Philosopher once. Does it make sense for him to monopolize it as compared to someone else hiring him so they can cross-vouch on the capabilities of that guy?

Autumn, I have to say I'm very suspicious about your list. All the military/killer type roles seem to go to someone who's either in the dock already or under suspicion. What's going on with that?

Here is the wealth movement by Day.

Day 1 - we see where everyone starts. No services available, no kills
Day 2 - no changes
Day 3 - we have two deaths, Swaggs and SnDvls. KWhit, on the strength of his 5-1 showing in lawsuits, moves up a rank. Narcizo also moves up a rank
Day 4 - we have one death, Bullet. MarcV moves up a rank, and KWhit again moves up a rank (7-0 in suits). Also, the total number of entries on the "Moderate Wealth" shrinks from 8 to 7

Unfortunately, it seems we have to either somehow light a fire under the inactive players, or execute them. If they're loyal but inactive they're still hurting us. I would plead that any of the inactive, non-voting members start contributing publicly soon, as I don't really want to waste executions on another loyal member, but I don't want to be unable to execute a traitor because of non-voters.

It also makes it crucial to have the lawyers in loyal hands.

I don't care who goes with which service. I have listed all the Wealthiest, and Extremely Wealthy senators. I have then listed the services that seem most crucial. I have assigned them one to one because i dont' want to see any more mess ups where someone can say "oh well we bid on the same person." If you would like to rearranget he list, feel free. I just want the Senators to promise to follow a public list, with no mixups or mistakes.

That way if someone uses the military/killer role, we can know who did it and execute them.

Also, posting for the arrest of "extremely wealthy people who are not actively playing" seems like it could be just what the wolves want, we seem to be slowly executing or at least voting on wealthy players, which would remove people who could potentially outbid the bad guys for vital services.

Just to get something started, based on your last two posts, I'll put in my unofficial vote for Autumn to be arrested.

Again, I just lined them up randomly. Cross-vouching makes sense, I should have paid attention to that sort of thing.

I didn't pair them up for any reason, I just went down the two lists. Again, I don't care how we pair them up as long as there's no confusion.

And I have complete records for people in lawsuits. I can publish this information if people think it should be made publicly available. Personally, I think there is probably someone working on the Tarqs side who is doing this privately (it is totally in their best interest to do so) so I would like to make this public. But by doing so I am providing the makings of a lawsuit roadmap.

The top two guys, far and away, are AlanT (now deceased) and KWhit.

Alan was 5-0 with wins against KWhit (only one to do so), me, Rum, Barkeep, and Crew

KWhit is 12-1 with wins against half the Senate and his only loss to Alan.

There have been two instances of repeat lawsuits - the same guy won in both instances.

I can certainly see that, and that's the danger of voicing that opinion. However, given that the wealthiest members seem to be either not really playing, or traitors I don't see a better course. If it scares them into being active and promising to bid for and use important services as directed by the Senate, let's not arrest them. If they continue to be silent, and not bidding for services, I don't see how it can hurt us to get rid of them.

You're perfectly correct, a traitor could suggest the same thing, knowing it would boost somebody in their ranks. I hate to take that risk, and hope that with their names in the air, these wealthy members will come forth and start showing their loyalty.

I do agree that there are some suspicious people among the wealthy, I'm just saying we need to be going after those people by name - LoneStarGirl immediately pops out to my mind instead of in general.

Here's the problem with that. We pretty much know what everything does at this point. Do we want to give the exact information on who is buying what to the traitors? Woulda been a not bad idea earlier when we didn't know what did what, but now I think it's prolly not in our best interest.

Help me understand the benefit of announcing who is bidding on the services. Okay, so let's just say that Dodgerus Chickus and Imus the Crewus get the bodyguards as you suggest. Then what?

Then we tell DC and ITC who they must use the bodyguards on? That's giving the Tarqs WAY too much information. Then they can just kill someone else.

I guess I may just be missing the strategy here.

Yeah. What CW said.

:)

Yes, I proposed Lonestarus Girlus and Marcus Vaughnus specifically in that post. I would have suggested Imus TheCrewus too if he wasn't already arrested. I hate to have another Bulletus Spongeus issue, but I guess I will vote to execute if I don't hear more from Imus today, specifically an explanation of his inactivity, and a promise to bid as the Senate directs him.

I'm not in favor of having someone bid on a specific service just because they are rich......one of the things that are hampering us right now is the fact that the richest of us seem also to be some of the least active. I don't trust them frankly to make the move that needs to be made.

Along those same lines and in reference to Hoops' comments about the suits, I say let KWhit make as many lawsuits as he wants and get to be one of the richest of us -- he's active in the game and he does have a vouch from CW that hasn't been countered. Arrest fiasco aside, I trust him to bid for the services that we need the senate to have instead of the Tarqs.

As for consul, I will keep my options open for now, though I do like the idea of CW and Chief at the moment. I would be open to the position if there are those who find me trustworthy enough to openly arrest someone, but I do not think I am going to pursue it further than mentioning it here.

If we toss the rich that are not participating, might those wealth categories be assumed by those underneath who are more active? That question is the one that is guiding my thinking about ITC right now. The fact that he has not bid for any services does not sit well with me.

Yes, that is how it works. Basically, we all move up a bit when a rich guy dies.

I'm willing to find holes in this plan, but here''s my thoughts.

No, we wouldn't tell them who to bodyguard - obviously that would backfire against us. We wouldn't tell who to block with the sex slaves. I'm not remembering off the top of my head what the others do.

But now we know who has the services. We can keep the killers out of the traitors hands, and hte sex slaves out of their hands. That's one advantage. If we can keep them from getting those services we have an advantage. The only way to do that I think is to coordinate bidding.

The second advantage is we can then later demand accounting for how those services were used. It may not give us a airtight case. But if Senator A wins the services of the bodyguard and uses it on someone useless, that gives us some evidence. If Senator A uses it on someone and the traitors don't make a kill, that gives us evidence. If Senator A bids for the killer, and someone dies, that's pretty airtight. If Senator B bids for hte sex slaves, and somebody reports having thier action blocked, that's evidence.

The third advantage is that senators won't have the excuse of saying they didn't bother bidding for a service, as some of our wealthier senators have said. If they're loyal, we'll be forcing them to be useful as well. If they're traitors they won't be able to hide behind this excuse.

It occurs to me though that if it would be helpful to corroborate whether Imus, for example, has bid on anything. If he was a traitor we certainly would have bid on services and secretly used them. Can we construct a list that wil tell us whether he's lying or simply inactive?

To expand on what KWhit just said, the wealth is relative. Cronin is listing the categories based on alphabetical order but each of us (almost certainly) has an absolute wealth number associated with them. That number rises and falls with lawsuits in some undetermined way. As the wealth changes, relative to our peers, we have the ability to move up and down the ladder.

I obviously would be happy with that. I don't know that I am that well trusted yet by the group.

Which is why we should do this. If they don't do what we ask, arrest them and execute them. Letting them be inactive isn't any better than asking them to be active and them being inactive. If we don't ask them to bid for something in particular, it makes it too unclear who has won the service.



I'm not against that idea, but he can only bid for one service. We need to get all of the important services in our hands.


It seems ohter people would move up. We have a better than even chance of it being a loyal member rather than a traitor, but still it's a risk. I again will state that I wish all of these rather inactive wealthy people would speak up and make promises of how they will use their wealth so we can avoid this risk.

KWhit, I'm OK with it. But it is putting you in a very high-risk category to the Tarqs if you are a loyal Roman. They have already taken down one active player who was successful in lawsuits (Alan).

Maybe their tactics change, maybe I'm not correctly interpreting their reasons for going after Alan. But I definitely see it as a plan that is incurring a reasonable amount of risk on your part.

I see what you're saying. And I think it makes sense from the point of view of the service that gives the sword kill. It would be nice to always know who bid on that and won.

I worry, however, about the bodyguards. I'm not sure I trust a couple of the richer people among us. And if we simply give a body guard to a Tarq, that is bad news. It's much easier for a Tarq to misuse a bodyguard and it go unnoticed than it would be for them to use the killer.

At this point KWhit is already a huge target for the Tarqs if he's on our side just because of how important he's been to the discussion in the game. So far he's really been one of the key people in figuring out what's going on. There is such a thing as putting too many eggs in one basket, which I wouldn't want to do with KWhit...but he's certainly in position to help us out, so why not.

Only problem is...what do we do if he doesn't die?

I'm interested in knowing who had the lawyers' services yesterday and how they used them.

Yes. I think I'm already in a lot of danger - consul, active, somewhat trusted, and pretty darn good at lawsuits.

I am already a prime candidate for a Tarq kill. I would need to either bid on a bodyguard (and be pretty much assured to get one based on my wealth) or have the winner of the bodyguard send it to me.

Not sure if that makes sense or not, but I know I'm already a target, and this would up the ante quite a bit.

KWhit:

True, the killer role is the one that is most vital. But we have to have all the Wealthiest members bid on something to make sure they don't outbid each other.

And if we don't bid for the sex slave, then that person could block an important action, and muddy the waters.

Also, I think I'd rather have a traitor end up with the bodyguard and give us evidence against htem then let hte bidding be random and never be sure who had the body guard and who the traitor is. The voting records in this game don't seem to be giving us much information, we need as much evidence as we can gather.

:eek:


Huh?

I could go along with that. What I'm afraid of is the rich, inactive people. I'm afraid they won't be around to follow our plan. So we'd need to have backup bidders for each service to fill in the gaps.

kwhit=bad

And why do you say that?

Random lines like that rule.

i would do this, if we could get DC and whoever the other Wealthiest person is.

Totally. Hey, at least he posted something.

:)

I'd like to hear more from Senator Imus, as I would best like to use his wealth to serve the Republic. However, I must say I'm not feeling too lenient in his direction. Looking at the Extremely Wealthy group I feel good about everyone in this group except for Lonestarus Girlus, so I wouldn't mind having one of them move up to Wealthiest status. I'd rather have an active, trusted member up there.

Still waiting on an answer as to why you think so.....

i voted for you to consul and you did a terrible job of it putting one very Loyal Senator in jail....throw me off a cliff all it will prove is that we are now down another good person

Id follow the majority of the repulic in what to do and services to buy to show that i am a good guy

But Would you kill an good "inactive" player just to get a "active" player up in the ranks not knowing if hes good or bad?

Services are determined first. Players in jail may not bid on services.

Okay.

Vote throw ImTheCrewus off a cliff.

wouldnt expect anythig else.. way to go kwhit

The courts will hear these two cases today, in an emergency session. People will just have to work overtime. Apologies for the oversight.

Crew, you haven't bid on services. You haven't been involved with lawsuits. You've had a potentially powerful position in the game (one of the two wealthiest as of today) and haven't used it to our advantage or communicated with people. There are reasons that Romans - they aren't all Tarqs, right? - are voting for you to be kicked off the cliff.

For better or worse (I think better) Werewolf is a community game, which implies that you work as part of the bigger whole.

Are you going to have an interest in doing this going forward? Are you going to have availability to do so in coming days?

I'm not wild that you are the only choice we have here today (same as yesterday, for all practical purposes) but given that we do have the option what kind of defense can you offer other than "I'm good, KWhit is bad"?

Unless you're going to be a bit more helpful than you are, why shouldn't we have you killed?

Caught up, finally.

Anyway. That was about 25 pages worth of NOTHING.

Vote Narcizo as Consul
Vote Dodgerchick as Consul

And since we don't get to find out what role everyone else is playing when they die, I'd rather have people ALIVE.

Vote to FREE ITC.

KWhit, the problem with you being a target is that it allows the bad guys to play a bit of a mind game with us. If they DON'T kill you, then the first step is because you're a bad guy -- so far you've acted like a good guy, more or less, but we don't have any concrete PROOF so far. So while I'm fairly certain you're a good guy -- the Cicero of our little WW Rome, perhaps? -- we can't be sure, and if you stay alive it brings up questions. Same thing that oftentimes happens when bad guys try to discredit seers, and without allegiance revealed on death the whole psychological warfare thing gets taken a step further.

THAT IS NOT TRUE.

The lawyers can tell what allegiance a player is upon death.

VOTE ELECT HOOPSGUY

In case I forget to do it for the rest of the day. I will be out from around 5 CST until around deadline, so I'll just get it in now.

I initially thought the same thing. But then somebody (I think Chief Rum) indicated that with 2 candidates it would be hard to get a kill (maybe Kwhit brought that up). So a Tarq may want to deliver one candidate rather than 2 in order to ensure there was not a need to get 13 votes on one candidate when votes are split between 2 senators. With just one, the chance of a lynch could be higher. Not sure if that is the soundest approach for a Tarq to make or not, but it does make sense.

Also, with just one candidate, there is less of a true voting record to make. As Republicans, it is to our benefit and increases our chances to win the game by lynching. Every turn we do not lynch someone, our changes of winning the game are reduced, because the Tarqs would get thier kill each night. They are 100% sure to hit a Republican, so the longer we wait, the they get closer to winning each turn. When we lynch, we have a chance to kill a Tarq and as the numbers decrase our chances of hitting a Tarq increase. As the days proceed we establish patterns and try to use new information to make our lynch decisions better.

I really think the consuls need to talk about who they are arresting as that is how we are presented with who to lynch. I think people who are open and willing to engage in pulling ideas from the group should be considered for Consulship and not those who are not open to discussion or are prone to just deciding who they want.

But that assumes that both consuls are traitors. If only one is, and they do not arrest someone, then yes they are increasing the chances for an execution, but without control over who's being executed. I don't think I'd take that chance if I was a traitor, but I suppose it's possible.


I agree. I'd like to vote for two people who will listen to the group about who to arrest, and who do not already play a prominent role.

I'm the one who brought that up.



But there are 2 Consuls. And they don't know who the other one is going to arrest. So it would be a BAD IDEA for a Tarq to not arrest someone and just hope that the other Consul would arrest a loyal roman. What if the other Consul arrested a Tarq? Then there would only be one choice - a Tarq! That wouldn't be very good strategy at all.

Unless you think that me and BK are both Tarqs. In which case, we'd (presumably) be able to coordinate who each other would arrest. It makes much more sense for 2 Tarqs to choose to arrest 2 good guys and let everyone battle it out over them. Either way, the strategic play for a Tarq is NOT to miss a chance to make an arrest.

I guess right now I'm hoping to hear from Dodgerus Chickus and Marcus Vaughnus. If all three of the Wealthiest will agree to bidding openly for services we want them to, I would be willing to vote to free Imus, and see if he cooperates. Without the other two's cooperation though, I'm not sure it makes sense to free Imus Thecrewus. I have no particular reason to think he is a traitor though, so I'd rather do the "scared straight" routine and get him to purchase services for us and remain active.

I know i havent used my role to our advantage at all because of the fact i was confused day 0 and day 1 and day 2 i sent my pm to late..... but like i said earlier i will do anything/ buy any services the majority of the people select to prove im good

I'd like to ask our consuls to arrest Marcus Vaughnus for certain unless we hear from him later today. Perhaps he's just simply not playing, but then again perhaps he's using services as a traitor quietly.

Someone had posted a suggestion of also aresting a poorer member. That seems reasonable to me, to avoid perhaps playing into the traitors' hands. I don't have any strong suspects there though. It seems the people at that end of the spectrum have been fairly active, and while I have suspicions at some, no evidence to execute them by.

I guess I would perhaps arrest Lonestarus Girlus with the other arrest. It could be hurting our cause by taking out these wealthy folks, but I'd prefer to have active, seemingly trustworthy, candidates up there. If they're traitors they'll have a harder time creating an alibi if we know what services they've won.

dola-

would i come out and say i havent purchased any services, that play sounds like a tarq to me? i just dont understand how two people sent in the same name for one reason because i am UTR and not even the most UTR player if you wanted a wealthy UTR player i think Marcus Vaughnus would be a better choice for atleast one(barkeep & kwhit) of the two to chose

VOTE NARZICO FOR CONSUL
VOTE HOOPSGUY FOR CONSUL

and of course

FREE IMTHECREW

I'll be catching up with today in a few minutes.

Hopefully I won;t do one of those "Build a case against Blade when he's already been day killed and revealed as the seer."

I'll do my own legwork if I have to, but does anyone have a current vote count?

Heh.

In my catching up, I'd definatly back CR, and not because he voted for me either. He solid, smart, and stock.

I second Ironhead as a good choice. Let me see what else is ahppening, but i like Ironhead and CR.

Am I alone in continuing to get a bad vibe off N_C?

If I were a tarq, with that info out there, I would do everythinhg possible t get two of my guys in the lawyers roles. Do that, and you can dictate the rest of te game.

He sort of just...pops in here and there, says a few things, and vanishes.

Perhaps.

All I gots is good vibes. :cool:

*pop* "A Few Things." *vanish*

Yes, and he seems to have missed the fact that lawyers can tell what faction a dead guy was in.

True. All though it would be a craps shoot, not knowing who the replacement would be.

Ardentus was supposedly bodyguarded the night Swaggus was killed. But interesting that they didn't kill either of the lawyers the next night, going after Alanus instead.

That's true. I did miss it.

I'm off to bed. Then to work. Then to read MORE and MORE pages of mundane text.

There are times when silence has the loudest voice.

Going to add a couple of more suits against people who I don't know how I measure up against - looking for a little more clarity in the pecking order.

HOOPUS GUYUS SUES SALDANUS LATHUMUS
HOOPUS GUYUS SUES NARCIZUS LISPUS

Again, I'm happy to disclose complete findings that I have so far so others can run the numbers. But I haven't heard any discussion on the pros/cons of doing this since I offered it this morning.

We still have not heard about some services used yesterday. Pathus Twelvus, I don't remember that you've mentioned who you used the legionnaire to protect? Could you tell us that?

I think taht we also don't know who used the lawyers, one of the horse traders, the political philosopher, the other legionnaire and who else?

I would like to hear from the loyal Senators who won these services and how they used them. Otherwise we have to assume the traitors are winning them.

Maximus Maximus protected our consul Barkeepus Valerius Fortynineus yesterday.

Dola, I was not successful in bids for today, so have no services available.

Current votes to execute Imus Thecrewus (13 needed to execute):

Ardent (1160), Narcizo (1168), KWhit (1245)

The following Senators have received support for the upcoming Consular Election:

Narcizus Lispus - 5
Chiefus Rumus - 3
Hoopus Guyus - 3
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - 2
Abeus Anxietus - 1
Dodgeus Erchickus - 1

Thanks.

Yikes. Only 3 votes to execute so far.

I don't want to repeat the experience we had with Bulletus Spongeus, and I hope that we can get Imus Thecrewus to start assisting our cause more. So I am going to vote

VOTE FREE IMUS THECREWUS

I do that with the intent that the freed senator will bid for a service we direct him to tomorrow, and provide evidence that he did so. I hope our other wealthy citizens will also assist in this.

As for consul, I'm a little wary of putting our eggs in one basket and electing a wealthy member. So Hoopus Guyus seems a good choice. I'm not certain of his loyalty but he hasn't given me bad vibes, and is wealth is ordinary. I do not have good feelings about Narcizus and Chiefus, but if either of them was willing to arrest as directed by the Senate, I would be willing to vote for them.

VOTE HOOPUS GUYUS FOR CONSUL

I would like to hear from our current consuls who they are thinking of arresting at this point.

I also think that outside of executing our inactive wealthy members, our best pursuit is to strip them of their wealth. So in that light:

I WILL SUE MARCUS VAUGHNUS
I WILL SUE LONESTARUS GIRLUS
I WILL SUE IMUS THECREWUS

Again, unless they start speaking up and becoming active I think we should either arrest Marcus and Lonestarus, or at least sue their pants off (figuratively).

Okay, I haven't caught up but this is really irritating. I have not once... NOT ONCE missed a vote or bid for services and putting me high on the suspect list is really frustrating to read. I've been open with who I've hired and what came about.

For God's sakes someone scan me this is making me mad.

I think if you keep reading you'll see that someone was mixing you up wtih Lonestar Girl

Thanks for the support for consul, guys.

After some thought, I agree with KWhit and Barkeep that it wouldn't be in the wolves' best interest to not have people arrested, but I would still argue it's a strong negative mark against the both of them that we face another one person execution vote.

I am also leaning to believing the supposition that poisoning is indeed the wolves' primary kill weapon, and not linked to a service. I don't think st. cronin would make the mistake of leaving the wolves without an automatic nightly kill option. So that removes my theory of looking at the Day One service purchasers for a possible wolf (although it certainly doesn't clear them).

I see hoops' reasoning and that of others on not wanting to kill wealthy good senators, but as been said ad nauseum, what good is a wealthy senator who does nothing to help us? I don't regret for a second the bulletsponge execution. He did virtually nothing to help us, nor did he even do much to help himself avoid the execution.

I would be willing to give ITC a one day benefit of the doubt except he has failed to use his wealth even once since the game started. Are you kidding me? That's just awful.

EXECUTE IMTHECREW

I won't sleep any less over this either if it happens. If, however, as it looks like, he might live through this, ITC you had better guarantee you will use your wealth tonight and every night going forwatd, you must also contribute to our discussions and vote in every day's vote, whether you're involved or not--or my first arrest vote and execute vote every day will be for you. We can't afford anymore dallying. Either you're in or you're out. If you're in, be in and help us.

I strongly urge the arrest of LoneStarGirl and Marc Vaughan at this point. I would go for LSG first, as she is less wealthy and has a track record of sometimes disappearing like this or being less than helpful for stretches. MV doesn't have a tarck record yet and I still hold out hope he will soon join us here. Much like bullet and ITC, though, if you're wealthy and not helping us, you're against us, and in that case I believe removing them is in the best interest of the Republic.

For consuls, I will vote as follows:

ELECT CHIEF RUM CONSUL
ELECT NARCIZO CONSUL

Narcizo continues to be a voice of reason, and I think he would make an excellent consul. Also, we are often around at the same times, so we can coordinate our efforts.

As for myself, case already stated. This is also the best time for me to be consul, as the weekend is definitely when I can be more available at deadlines (in addition to generally).

I like Autumn's idea of trying to secure services ahead of time, and would recommend we try to get something going there before the deadline.

I will still be around for a little bit, but I will be going to work soon, so if I don't post again, good luck, everyone.

Posting on the fly instead of reading the whole thread == not good.

As a poor Senator with no special abilities or roles, I will offer my services as Consul. I would ensure that I take into consideration what the collective group would like to see as far as arrests. Also, I would let you know who is being arrested. I also tend to trust hoops at this point in the game and think he will engage in discussion around arrests, therefore:

VOTE GRAMMATICUS ATTICUS FOR CONSUL

VOTE HOOPUS GUYUS FOR SECOND CONSUL

to execute (13 needed) - Ardent (1160), Narcizo (1168), KWhit (1245), Chief Rum (1288)

For Consul (made an error in my earlier post):

Narcizus Lispus - 6
Hoopus Guyus - 5
Chiefus Rumus - 4
Coffeus Yakus Warlordus - 2
Abeus Anxietus - 1
Dodgeus Erchickus - 1
Grammaticus - 1
Ironhead - 1

I'm going to go ahead and vote for Narzicus for consul. I don't have a good read on the few contenders for that spot, and I suspect at least one of them to be a traitor, but Narzicus seems to have come to many of the same conclusions as me about players, which makes me think either he's loyal and we're both smart, or I have really really bad intuition.

VOTE NARZICUS LISPUS FOR CONSUL

I agree with Narzicus that it seems we have at least one very rich traitor, and so I'm loathe to let ITC go. Yet I have no particular reason to suspect him. I really wish someone had done some scanning yesterday. Is there really no loyal Senators with information to report???

I'm going to go with my initial thoughts for consul:

VOTE CHIEFUS RUMUS FOR CONSUL
VOTE COFFEEUS YAKUS WARLORDUS FOR CONSUL

I may change my mind on ITC later, but for now VOTE EXECUTE IMUS THECREWUS

And please, please, please, Barkeepus and Kayus Whitus, please tell me you both are going to be able to make arrests tonight, and that you will arrest different!! people??? Please?

Okay, my girlfriend is gonna be over tonight, so my evening participation is going to be limited. To get my outstanding votes in...

Execute Imus The Crewus

If he's good, he's been of zero use to us. I frankly don't see any reason not to post a vote damning him, despite the fact it looks like he's gonna get off the hook.

Elect Coffeus Yakus Warlordius

As people are willing to support me, I'll support myself.

Agreed. Someone needs to build up a list of Day Two services and list out what we know about who used them and how. I don't know that we have a comprehensive list yet. I would do it myself except I am bout to leave until after the deadline.

We have two lawyers who can do investigating (not at their own behest unfortunately), and I don't know that we have gotten any information out of their Day Two results. Who hired them and what did they have them do?

I still believe good lawyers will remain top targets for wolves. I would be surprised if both ardent and Schmidty survive the night without protection.

I'm in agreement with Anxiety's earlier point on controlling the attorneys. Furthermore, if someone is thinking of hiring an attorney using them to scan the other attorney would make a great deal of sense. I believe there was a "scan one person" benefit to using the attorney, correct?

Other than that, I'm trying to interpret where the "seer" role may come into play in this game. I intuitively thought it would be the philosopher, but Schmidty indicated that he sent that person to prove his innocence, not to verify the innocence of his target.

I know that many of the loyal Romans are asking to be scanned, so just trying to work through how to make this happen.

Ok...caught up on some things.

First of all KWhit, where did I say that you didn't vote. I never said that. My problem was that you conveniently had a conditional vote and didn't bother to communicate either person to begin with. What I was implying is that you have improved your chances of only getting 1 person that we could all vote on. It bothers me that most of us can only choose one person to implicate

On top of that, you are heavily going into lawsuits to improve your status while you are serving as consul since you are immune to getting the vote during this period.

Of course, I can be going paranoid, but it seems strange to me that people are putting total trust in people when many of us don't have all the facts how everything works. That is all.

For what little it is worth, Ardent was my initial thought for who to PM with the "horses". But I was concerned that the lawyers had a "seer" ability, as had already been mentioned. After learning post-deadline that they are able to identify faction info on the dead I see them as a very high-profile candidate. Certainly higher than the consuls, who only serve a two day term.

I wanted to communicate with Alan because 1.) I had a question I wanted to ask about his CW/BS selections while being more direct than I sometimes am with 25 other people reading 2.) I wanted to build on my trust of Alan as a guy who would be around frequently during the day when I am. In hindsight, I wish I had considered his Day 2 lawsuit success when making the decision.

I did not win any services yesterday. And I don't see being in a position to win services all that often coming from the bottom of the pile financially.