YOU GOT BLOCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very interesting run of votes to Tangle. I don't have an opinion on him either way. Can someone give me the quick argument for voting for him?

I am suspicious of Tanglewood and feel if everyone wants this choice, I will place my vote there as well. He is as suspect as anyone else on my list. I'm not sure about Taz and Hoops is definately still someone that should be a concern, but not getting any traction there. Letting Hoops, Barkeep/Path and AE by is a HUGE mistake. I think AE the is most likely to be good, but one of the other two should get tested here.

Gramm, just a compel check, can you explain your vote?

dola, never mind.

I don't know that I trust tangle, but i do trust him more than I do Ardent, and it seems to me that Ardent has strongly been pushing the vote to go in Tangle's direction. At the end of the last round I was most suspicious of AE, and his claim of a forced vote leads me question him even more. Now he is leading everyone down a path that I doubt.

Unvote taz
Vote Ardent

I just typed it without refreshing the browser and did not see your post.

Gram, are you in control of that vote? While I appreciate having a vote removed from me I would prefer to know that you are calling the shots and not some other entity.

Yes, it is fully my vote. I want to vote Tanglewood.

Where does that lead the vote to? If that pushes me ahead of taz, then you start moving up my suspect list.

nm, was headed down same line of thought as Ardent.

Votes as of Post #1212:

Taz - KWhit (1071), JeeberD (1120)
Ardent - King (1084), StKelly (1207)
Tanglewood - Sack (1128), Path (1168), Desnudo (1169), Cartman (1172), SnDvls (1179), Ardent (1186), Penny (1196), Gram (1202)
KWhit - Hoops (1199)

Not yet voted - Taz, Tanglewood

Anyone got a good long term goal? I've got furthing my education and having children. I think coaching in the NFL may be a reach.

Just a theory, if taz and tangle vote me...and get some compelled votes, I could be gone.

That's a lot of compelled votes. The only one we saw the other night was you. Do you think the Sith have that kind of capability?

Ardent, assuming that my vote is not compelled I'll be trying to keep that scenario from unfolding. I think it is pretty unlikely, but ...

Never mind, didn't see the Gramm vote in the 2nd row. I feel safe.

I would like to think that only 1 Sith would have such an ability...but we could be looking at a few of them having it.

Hmm...if that is the case, I doubt we have one of those cunning Sith or brutal Siths in this game.

My belief is that you are bad, it would not move me up if I am right. I hope I am wrong because it really looks like tangle will be gone tonight, and I would much rather see a sith go down.

I can't be simple enough about this. Those of you who think I am a Sith, think that I am bad, think I'm whatever other than a basic jedi:

You are wrong.

Long term goal #3: Get back into coaching...it's not the NFL...but I'll take it.

Hmm...I just thought of something.

Has anyone kept track of who has dueled who in the deaths?

Didn't saldana say those were randomly selected?

Theory: I know Saldana said it was random...but from what I recall, I know Schmidty and myself have been involved. I know I'm a jedi, and I know Schmidty was.

I wonder if we look back at the other lynchs what that would reveal. Has dubb been involved in any of them? How about taz or tangle?

the duel opponents are entirely random and have nothing to do with anything. that is why the lightsaber colors are being kept out

Never mind, I don't like the concept anymore. We haven't caught a full fledged Sith yet. Therefore, it wouldn't be a stretch to think a Sith would mow down a Jedi.

My theory is that Saldana wouldn't have a Sith cut down a Sith.

"duel"y noted. Just something to explore.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Down with bad puns

Well I haven't seen anything from Tangle that makes me want to move my vote from Taz, so I'll leave it where it is based on his vote-for-himself strategy from yesterday and earlier today.

?

Has Tanglewood been in the thread all day?

Not that I recall, but that is a tactic I've used as a bad guy in the past.

Not that it matters, but Tangle and Taz were the first ones to kill the day one vote.

Hi Barkeep, where is your alter ego Path?

By my reconing we are out of time for more votes

It feels good to be of sound mind and body this time.

glad you trusted me, you moved up my list for it that's for sure no matter the outcome on Tangle

Thanks.

Yup.

:(

updated

Any idea what golden yellow could mean? I hope it doesn't mean that he was the seer.

I don't like the sound of a yellow blade.

well so much for the suspicious late vote switch. that sucked.

where to now?

That sucks.

didn't someone else have a yellow blade?

Seer seems like a strong possibility, with special blade color (gold) + trance + eyes closed.

I'm lost on the blade. The eyes closed bit, though. That sounds like it could have been seer.

I had been leaning towards Lathum as the seer. Maybe he was the witness, or a similar role. Those closed eyes just feel too important here.

A quick Google search shows those who wield yellow lightsabers are known to have developed an enhanced ability for Jedi mind tricks.

maybe Schmidty?

So yesterday's vote switch may not have been the Sith's doing?

Not sure. The only stuff I can find with Sith using yellow is when the lightsaber is a double one.

That's what I'm thinking. That may make me feel a lot better about Taz.

OK, so the theory is that yesterday Jedi Tangle moved Taz's vote, then tried to get his vote in as the 5th against Jedi Qwikshot to break a 4-4 tie one minute after the deadline? Just want to make sure I'm following the argument ...

That's the theory as I understand it.

Ok, found a solid reference to yellow lightsabers in KOTOR. The Jedi that has a yellow saber is in the role of sentinel. Does that match up to any known roles?

Here is the Wikipedia entry on the topic:
hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightsaber

Can't imagine there is an issue linking to Wikipedia, but just to be safe ...

I'd have to doublecheck the KOTOR classes. Sentinel was more of a tank role, I thought.

Sentinel - balance between the Guardians (warriors) and Consulars (non-combatants).

That's the confusion. I'm getting Jedi Sentinels crossed with X-Men Sentinels.

This implies that pink and gold, two colors we have had, means no affiliation.

I would imagine. If there's no special role involved, saldana feels free to have some fun with the colors.

Day 1 - Superman - none shown, taken via Force Grip (post #264)
Night 1 - Eaglesfan - emerald green (post #304)
Night 1 - AlanT - none shown (post #304)
Day 2 - Lathum - bright pink (post #447)
Night 2 - no kill, defender with bright azure battling Sith to standstill (post #493)
Day 3 - Dubb - lavender (post #726)
Night 3 - Schmidty - jade green (post #798)
Day 4 - Qwikshot - pale yellow (post #961)
Night 4 - mckerney - periwinkle blue (post #1054)
Day 5 - Tanglewood - yellow/gold (post #1242)

Good news is that we have not seen anyone die with a bright azure weapon, so I believe the bodyguard is still out there.

Guardians (blue) - mckerney, bodyguard
Consulars (green) - Eaglesfan, Schmidty
Sentinels (yellow) - QwikShot, Tanglewood
Sith (red) - Dubb (if lavender counts?)

Not defined - Alan T, Superman, Lathum

Until I see something that indicates otherwise, I'm going to assume that Saldana was just messing with Lathum by sticking him with a pink weapon. And I'm not sure where to stick Dubb, since his death post read to me like he isn't true Sith.

Crap. Sorry Tangle.

I believe Lathum specifically requested a pink light saber so I don't think anyone should read much into it.

Well, I'm open to suggestions. I had Taz and Tangle together...but obviously that's not true.

I'd like to hear theories on some of the others.

So much of the information in this game is suspect.

Q: How many Sith are there?
Q: Was Dubb a Sith, just not the night assassin?
Q: Is the seer alive?
Q: Did a Jedi or a Sith move the vote last night?

I don't even know if we are running out of time because we don't have the answer to the first question. If it are only two then we are still fine, although it certainly doesn't feel that way with all the dead Jedi.

As far as what I believe is going on, based on the questions I posted:

2 Sith
Dubb was not a Sith (wolf), but a sorceror or some similar special role
Seer is dead, but hope to be wrong here
Sith moved the vote

As of right now, those are the assumptions I'm going to be making if/when I'm around tomorrow. But if anyone feels that one of these assumptions is wrong I would love them to chime in (no seer reveal requested) between now and tomorrow morning with their thoughts.

If the seer is alive, it might be a good time to let us know at least what he does, because as far as I can see we've got nothing. I really thought we were getting somewhere with Tangle, so I'm open to any suggestions.

Dola, I've got doubts at this point that we have a seer anymore.
:(

What makes you think a Sith moved the vote? The implication I get was that Tangle moved it and then tried to follow-up it up with a coup de grace.

That seems to be the case, but if the Jedi have that ability, what stops the Sith from also having it?

The inverse is also true.

I don't think we can assume it's in the arsenal of only one side or the other.

I agree that we can assume nothing, but the timing of the events seems to indicate that Tangle was behind that specific occurance.

Because after reading the Wikipedia site on lightsaber colors I didn't see anything that clearly indicated an affinity for Jedi mind tricks. I would think the non-combatants (Consulars - green) would be more likely to use mind powers than the balanced class (Sentinels - yellow).

Cartman, if you can post the link for what you were looking at in Post #1253 that might be helpful ...

Sure. It was about the Council of 12. It seemed kinda weak, so that is why I kept searching.

hxxp://www.geocities.com/erik_the_jedi/council.html

Yes, but then there's the whole aspect of his death outside of the lightsaber color.

Would Tangle have made that play if he wasn't going to explain it afterwards, and then not show up all day today? I know that stuff happens in real life that moves schedules around, but I haven't seen anything in his previous game play that would indicate that kind of activity.

The only way that scenario makes sense to me is if he not only had the ability to move a vote, but also was 100% sure on Taz being innocent. Otherwise, where is the gain on that play?

For the Sith, the play creates confusion because we don't know why they moved the vote. For strategic purposes, to set someone up, or just create chaos? Makes more sense to me.

Well Tangle lives in England, so his schedule is different which explains some of the lack of communication. It happens in every game he plays in. He obviously favored Taz over Qwik, so must have thought Taz was innocent. Or somehow thought Qwik was a Sith. I can think of why he wouldn't want to volunteer that it was him since you paint a nice bullseye on your head.

Based on that link, Tanglewood would have been one ugly Jedi.

I can also understand why you wouldn't want to volunteer the information. However, if it was a one-time use then I'm not sure it is an enormous bulls-eye. People would have to choose whether or not to believe your intentions. The Sith would probably try to hit a higher-profile role with their night actions.

I completely get that this can be interpreted either way. Which is why I posed the question in the first place ... not knowing the answer is making me less confident in assumptions based on my interpretation of the event.

OOC: In that respect, this has been a really great and challenging game of werewolf. But maddening as well.

Heading home for the night. I doubt I'll be able to access the net until tomorrow morning.

Ok, if the seer has information on a few people that would really help us out at this point. I still have a bad feeling about AE and Hoops being alive this late in the game does not make me feel very comfortable either.

It seems to me that everyone is convinced that the Sith can force people to change their votes. The only evidence that we have of this is the word of Ardent. Personally I think that AE and his Sith buddy invented this idea. No one else has been forced to vote for someone other than who they wanted. The whole concept of this does not fit with saldana's description of this as a simple game. I don't buy it one bit, and I think that too many of us have fallen for AE's trick. It is time to end his charade.

Dola,

There are no posts here for nearly 2 hours and then king and I both post at the same time. That is kind of funny

Fuuuuuck. This isn't looking good.

I don't know what to think about AE anymore...

That's assuming you can get them to believe that it's a one time use, even if it is. I agree it's maddening. I feel hardly more informed now then I did at the start.

Double fuck.

Go get 'em, fellas! :mad:

Damn. Although I was actually fairly suspicious of Jeeber, so I guess that's something.

Same here, hence the vote.

The path we must tread is a clear one. AE must be eliminated before he can destroy more of us.

Vote Aredent

What a game.

If the seer is somehow alive at this point (unlikely I think, realistically) he's doing a pretty cruddy job because we haven't been given a clue. While I understand people's desire to get more info, I would recommend staying quiet for now unless he has some useful info to share, e.g. knows who one of the Sith is. If there is only two Sith, then we still have some wiggle room before panic mode sets in.

So, I notice these night actions are coming before the deadline, and even though I'm not still in the game I'd like to make sure everyone has the full time to consider what they want to do with their actions. So, to make sure it's not a problem and you're not feeling rushed by Saldana, it'd be great if the Sith could post just a quick confirmation that they're fine with everything going through before the deadline.

k, thx

It just seems a little off to on one hand say he's doing a cruddy job if he's still with us, and then in almost the same breath say that it's better for him to stay quiet if he doesn't have any information.

But I do think at this point that if we haven't had any help from that avenue yet that we're probably not going to get it. I only hope we can pull this out without needing it.