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Hmm, he must be a wolf! Eatin instead of eaten, wasn't that mentioned before! |
Yep. String him up.
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You are getting lynched because you are a werewolf. :p |
Airhog - Kwhit
Barkeep49 - Kwhit KevinNU7 Mustang - Kwhit Desnudo - Kwhit Eaglesfan - Kwhit Kwhit - No vote Voting so far. |
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Heh I just noticed your sig Barkeep. I'm a big EU2/CK player myself, though I don't frequent the Paradox forums all that much anymore.
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Looks like I'm done for. I've made my case as best I can. My voting record is as clean as anybody's.
I get that you guys have to go after somebody, and I don't have a good idea as to who else to vote for (I'm in the dark as much as anyone). And it seems that accusing others is what has gotten me into this hot water in the first place when they turn out to be villagers. So I Abstain. (At least until somebody votes for someone other than me). |
High Drama!
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Possibly, but I think that is a fairly small difference. We were both good guys, and that makes us pretty much the same. On a side note, I wonder what we will all learn from this game. I have to say that this has been a very successful game since we are very fan into the game and there is still plenty of doubt as to who everyone is, and which team will win. There have been a lot of strategies tested and revealed (with varying levels of success), but I wonder how much everyone has learned. I would bet that if we ran another game with the same players in different roles, there would still be all kinds of confusion, paranoia, and wrong choises. I suppose that is the beauty of the game. You could play with all of the same players and still really not know what anyone is about. I wonder how long it will be before there is so much interest in this game that multiple games will have to be run concurrently. This could become a full time job for Peregrine. :) |
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Is there a variation of this game where everyone is cursed, or every wolf victim becomes a wolf? Just curious how that would work... |
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I think that might work if there were only one werewolf to begin with. I think we should definitely have a decompression session after this is all over to discuss strategies, turning points (taken and missed), and potential additions (I know that I have thought of two that would add to the game). |
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I was thinking about just one wolf to start as well. Thinking about it more, this might not work too well. Seeing who the wolves eat is a good way to help pick out the wolves. If we never see a wolf victim, there is never a good way to identify the wolves. Pretty much every pick would be random. |
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Except for voting for the seer, trying to save Lathum, and trying hard to get innocent deacon killed. You were able to get the mad Duke to save your hairy hide once, but not again. If people don't buy my line of reasoning, Eaglesfan is as bright as anyone on the board and the fact that he has not deviated from accusing you says something to me. |
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I'm definitely not sure about that compliment, but thanks. I just finished reading this thread after a great first day at work. Disappointing to see ntndeacon unfairly lynched. Nothing has changed in my reasoning. KWhit's voting pattern is highly suspicious, particularly once Jon revealed his information. I vote KWhit. |
Airhog - Kwhit
Barkeep49 - Kwhit KevinNU7 Mustang - Kwhit Desnudo - Kwhit Eaglesfan - Kwhit Kwhit - No vote Kevin, care to vote since you're here? |
Yep, just jumped in I vote KWhit, string him up
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Dola, Sorry for the delay crazy traffic here in Mass today
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Well since everyone is voting for Kwhit, except him of course, you get ready to lynch him, unfortunately he turns into a werewolf and tries to make a run for it! After a brief moment of chaos when several weapons are fired, chairs are knocked over, and the fire is almost put out, he is subdued. Unfortunately, it seems he managed to disembowel Airhog before he died. Apparently he was the Brutal Wolf.
Airhog manages an "Oh dear." and a last gulp of wine before he dies as well. Night 9 Jon - killed on Night 7 (seer) Swaggs - Lynched on Day 6 (werewolf) TazFTW - Lynched on Day 2 (villager) NoMyths - killed on Night 5 (Sorceror) Qwikshot - Lynched on Day 3 (Cultist) ntndeacon - lynched on Day 7 (Villager) McSweeny - killed on Night 3 (Witness) Shorty - Lynched on Day 1 (villager) BrianD - lynched on Day 4 (Doctor) Condors - killed by the Hunter on Night 4 (Villager) GWB - killed on Night 4 (Hunter) Lathum - Lynched Day 5 (Werewolf) Airhog - Killed by the Brutal Wolf Day 8 (Duke) Kwhit - Lynched on Day 8 (Brutal Wolf) Survivors: Barkeep49 KevinNU7 Mustang Desnudo Eaglesfan Are all the wolves dead now? You start an anxious night's sleep, hoping to find no one dead in the morning. Night actions please. |
IMO it looks like the bodyguard protected Airhog last night, nice work!!
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bad timing on my post :) Sorry AirHog
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Sorry to see you go, Airhog. Least you got one last gulp of wine.
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There can pretty much be any variant you want. However I think that game would have to have some special rules, otherwise the humans would never win. Since there would be one more wolf each night, and the villagers could only hang one wolf a day, you could never hang all the wolves. |
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Right, pretty obvious flaw in my suggestion. I should have caught that... |
In answer to your earlier question about availability this weekend. I'm potentially available all weekend, but I'm on call all weekend and could be pulled away for an hour or two at any time this weekend (like now when I was just paged.)
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Well folks, this game was a blast. I had quite a bit of fun. For those of you I prematurely killed, I am sorry, and do not take is personally. I am quite surprised that I lasted this long. I figured that once I exposed myself as the duke I was good as gone, but I guess not. I hope that me being alive this long helped me out. Makes sense to kill me off and not elimnate another villager though. Good luck guys, and I hope you villagers can win. And don't forget to tip your glasses to me tonight :D
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Okay, I'm going to give you guys a shot to have one more lynch round tonight, up until midnight or so. But it everyone can't vote, we'll have to wait until the weekend.
The remaining five of you go to sleep in the main room, everyone's too nervous to be alone at this point. Unfortunately you're not alone. In the morning the body of Eaglesfan is found, raked across the throat and dead in his chair. He was a villager.Apparently the wolf that killed him was so silent no one heard him. Day 9 Night 9 Jon - killed on Night 7 (seer) Swaggs - Lynched on Day 6 (werewolf) TazFTW - Lynched on Day 2 (villager) NoMyths - killed on Night 5 (Sorceror) Qwikshot - Lynched on Day 3 (Cultist) ntndeacon - lynched on Day 7 (Villager) McSweeny - killed on Night 3 (Witness) Shorty - Lynched on Day 1 (villager) BrianD - lynched on Day 4 (Doctor) Condors - killed by the Hunter on Night 4 (Villager) GWB - killed on Night 4 (Hunter) Lathum - Lynched Day 5 (Werewolf) Airhog - Killed by the Brutal Wolf Day 8 (Duke) Kwhit - Lynched on Day 8 (Brutal Wolf) Eaglesfan - Killed on Day 9 (villager) Survivors: Barkeep49 KevinNU7 Mustang Desnudo Only 4 of you left, and one wolf among you. |
Hopefully this isn't frowned upon, since this really isnt anything that isnt strategy. If anyone does have a problem with it, let me know and I will remove it
Red = Wolf Yellow = Cultist
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7 days, 1200+ posts....and then there were four.
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Thats great, kill EaglesFan so he can't hold anything up, smart wolfie ;).
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Yoinks!
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If we lynch the wrong guy and someone gets eaten, game over. Sure I could risk the shot that I wouldn't be eaten and protect the remaining guy, but I think I was odds on to get eaten next anyway. Since that is the case, I'm going to come clean and tell you I am the bodyguard. The reason why I am announcing this will become clear.
On the nights with no kills: I protected Mustang on night one, Nequa/Barkeep on night two. I protected Jon after Lathum's lynching, and Eaglesfan the night before he was lynched. This information in no way clears Mustang and Barkeep completely, but it certainly lowers the odds that they are the remaining wolf. Therefore, I accuse Kevin of being the remaining wolf. Perhaps the fact that he was a wolf in the previous game means he is not one in this one, but I am not convinced. It is also possible that he was a cursed villager. I am in no way 100% convinced of his guilt, but I think he is the best choice, given the circumstance. It is possible that Mustang or Barkeep got attacked/became a wolf on one of the later nights. Unfortunately, there is no way to even guess. I would say Barkeep is the second posibility with his tie vote, but that's not enough to sway me. I vote Kevin |
Oy..
Well Desnudo, I'm guessing that you saying you are the bodyguard. Right now, there are 4 of us left. (about the only thing we do know) Neuqua/Barkeep is pretty much cleared as being an innocent although, I'm a little confused as to his entire reasoning for putting the score tied but, he thought NTN was not a wolf so, he tied up the score hoping someone would be smart enough to figure we didn't want a tie and swap to KWhit. I can believe that or believe he was a cursed wolf attacked on the night we thought Jon was being guard (the no kill night a few nights ago). Myself, I thought he was either the cursed or bodyguard because he was replaced.. This late in the game, either role was too valuable to both sides to just have languish.. Now, you state you are the bodyguard, I'm not 100% sure of your reasons but, I wish that you hadn't come out to say that. It would have still given us a chance if we screw up tonight to have someone protected. So, now in my mind, you are either the bodyguard or you are a wolf lying because you know that if you get an innocent lynched you have a chance of getting the right bodyguard and ending the game because you have a completely free shot or you have a 50/50 shot tonight of killing the bodyguard and ending the game. So, I'm stuck on believing you or not.. And Kevin.. well, Kevin has been under the radar the whole game. Was it a ruse and he has just been quietly watching or has he been really busy. We've been excluding him the entire game... My head hurts.. I gotta think. So much for the easy lynch day.. I'm ok with ending this at midnight but, whatever the other players decide that is ok.... I will be away tomorrow morning and afternoon so... please keep that in mind. |
too bad you have to lynch here. Here's why.
If you guess wrong, and then they eat.. it's 1 v 1. game over. The Wolf will naturally be switching votes like crazy, because ALL THREE innocents MUST agree against the Wolf, because the Wolf can always tie things up. Random chance states that you have a 1 in 4 chance. If you could skip the lynch.. the wolf would eat someone (and barring the shot that he might eat a cursed), and it'd be 1 v 2. then only the two innocents must agree, because the wolf is out numbered. So think wisely and well, villagers. Plan cunningly, werewolf. |
Desundo could ofcourse NOT BE the Bodyguard and is only attempting to protect himself. I am jsut a villager for this game. I wish I actually was a wolf. I throughly enjoyed that role in Game 1. What really sucks is that I need to go off the PC very soon and call it a night!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well I am comfortable with ending it tonight since I won't be around much tomorrow anyways. Knowing that I am not the wolf I have to find Desundo's instant accusations questionable. For not I vote for him. I will try and get on before midnight to check out the other possibilities. Other then the body guard there are no other roles left right? |
Dola, forgot to write
I vote for Desundo*** ***Edit: Vote removed |
Interesting advice Sir Fozzie
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Just potentially the cursed role is the only other one. I can't believe there could be more than one person of any type of role... That is correct Peregrine? There can only be a max of 1 in a role? (other than villager or wolf) |
The reason why I announced it is because we need full information at this point. I would prefer to make an informed decision now, rather than take a 50/50 shot that I won't be the one eaten if we get the wrong guy. Had I remained quiet and we lynched the wrong guy, even if I wasn't eaten and successfully protected the other remaining villager, where does that leave us? Exactly where we were before, information wise.
As for me being a wolf, I voted for Lathum when one vote switch would have resulted in killing Jon. The wolves had to know he was the seer once he posted that he was, since they obviously knew Lathum was a wolf. I also pushed very hard to take care of Swaggs and KWhit and voted accordingly, only switching to deacon because a tie was worse than taking action. All that means that I would have to be the cursed villager and got attacked on one of the two no kill nights after the vote. I believe that Eaglesfan was successfully protected the night before his death. That's why they killed him, because they knew he couldn't be protected again, and could not risk failing another time. That leaves the Jon missed killing as the moment when something could have gone wrong and the cursed villager was attacked. Since that occurred before we got Swaggs and KWhit, I can say I certainly wouldn't have behaved in the manner I did had I become I wolf. Check my posts and you'll see I've been consistent in my accusations throughout. That does leave the possibility that Barkeep was the one attacked on Jon's missed killing, or you even. However, I think the more likely reality is that Kevin is the wolf. It's the simplest answer and doesn't require assumptions to be made about what may or may not have happened. |
Too bad barkeep isn't on.. 3 out of 4 of us remaining are.
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This is just an awesome down to the wire finale...this cultist hopes the wolves pull it out.
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The Brutal Wolf is doing the same.
HOWL!!! |
Hey Qwik, do us a favor and tell us who the wolf is :)
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I don't get how my lack of evening posting makes me a prime candidate in your eyes.
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Where did I say anything about your posting? I simply peg you as the most likely suspect, based on thinking things through in a logical manner.
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I just don't see it. I haven't done anything to make myself seem wolfie, look at my voting. In the pivotal vote I voted to lynch a werewolf!
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After further review I am removing my vote for Desundo, he voted for KWhit for two straight rounds
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All right, I have to own up to making a mistake in voting for Kevin. I felt that my logic was sound in voting for you. But looking back through your posts, I can see that you were on Lathum before Jon mentioned anything. Unless that's some sort of game you all played, or you are the cursed villager, it doesn't make sense. Crikey.
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Well, I see Barkeep so.. maybe we will get some resolution...
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Umm, I would but, I'm missing the theory. NTN always confused me anyways. |
Well if we assume that the Cursed was attacked by the wolves one night and became a wolf then he could be the last remaining wolf. I'm jsut wondering if ntn's logic that Nequa was the only one in a position to be attacked in a cursed situation true. Remember nequa is barkeep
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If NTN was referring to Jon being targeted by the Seer, that was impossible since Jon was the seer.. :confused:
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I am very sorry to see Airhog and Eagle go. I thought for sure Witt was going to come after me if he was the brutal wolf. I've long been suspicous of Kevin, but am not quite ready to cast a vote in that direction. Let me go back and look at the evidence to see what we've got.
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Kevin unvoted then leave for the night now?
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Oh wow. I didn't see that once again the spotlight had been turned back to me. I think that we have to assume that the cursed villager was turned wolf in one of the first two days. I was just about ready to let Kevin off the hook, but now he is trying to repeat KWhitt's attempts to get me killed which raises my suspicions.
My sticking point right now for Kevin is that he was the first to suggest KWhitt be killed, before any other votes had been cast. Now we know that Whitt is the brutal wolf so if the wolves assumed that a wolf was going to be killed that round it makes sense for Whitt to be the one as he gets to take a villager with him. But I do not think it was obvious at all that we were going to go for Swaggs like we did. So I guess what I'm saying is that I'm going to have to go back and do some looking at Mustang. |
I'm heading out for the night so I'll put my vote in before I go. Had I bothered to look through Kevin's initial posts before voting, coming out as the bodyguard probably would not have happened. I was nearly certain based on recent posts that he was the wolf. Unless he is the cursed, I now believe I was wrong. I'm sure the decision to announce myself will be critized when we look back at the end game. In retrospect, it was a mistake in judgement.
In any case, the only other clue I think we have at this point is Barkeep's tie vote for KWhit. It could be chalked up to him being new to the game, and/or feeling very strongly about KWhit's guilt. So it's not a definite, but it's the only thing I have to go on. It's also possible that he wanted a tie and no kill, since Peregrine had announced it. It's possible that either Mustang or Kevin got attacked later and was the cursed one. A lot of things are possible, but two things that are definites are that I'm definitely getting eaten tonight and the game is over if we're wrong. I vote Barkeep |
Ok now looking back seeing that it was clear that Swaggs had a great deal of suspicion on him before voting even opened I think Kevin made a smart tactical move by trying to get KWhitt, the brutal wolf, voted out rather than the regular wolf. Therefore, I am going to go with what has been my longstanding suspicion and Vote KevinNU7
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Let me get this straight. I am being criticised for voting for a wolf rather than an innocent? Think about it from a wolf's persepctive. Would a wolf rather have a tie, and no one killed, including the wolf, or have one less villager, and thus be closer to winning the game, as would have happened if I had voted for anybody but KWhitt? I argue that having one less villager is the right answer. NTN was innocent an KWhitt was guilty. Why should I be attacked for having perceived things correctly? Was I strongly confident about it? No. But I was confident enough to risk having no one be killed rather than an innocent villager. The easy route would have been to have voted for ntn or Kevin. Instead I tried to do what I thought was right. It's someone switching at the last moment, as YOU did, that is far more suspicious. |
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A switch was definitely needed to avoid giving a tie to the wolves. A tie would have helped the wolves because it there would have been no lynching the wolves would have gotten a free kill and then we would have redone the voting and then someone would have clearly been lynched. It is just natural to try look at the person that caused the tie as opposed to breaking it as one helps the villagers and the other the wolves... That is why Peregrine put out the 'are you sure' comment.. (or whatever that was...) |
Did you read the rest of what I wrote? Having a villager killed is far better for wolves than nothing. Therefore for villagers having no one killed is better than a villager killed. I stand by my actions.
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I come back from one of my worst call patients ever (I can't discuss the details but I think it might get me called into a medical malpractice suit [fortunately as a witness and not a defendant] and I found out I've been eaten :(
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That was the debate at the time.. what is better. At the time, it was a coin flip if NTN or KWhit was next.. hmm.. I can see your point though. It would have been a definite bonus to get KWhit the next day but, I guess in hindsight, it wouldn't have mattered because KWhit would have been lynched and then probably NTN.. Having said that, I'll trust your judgement since you were right on KWhit... Kevin just unvoted and left for the night and put a few comments out... maybe that was so he could come back later and swing the vote tomorrow. I'm not sure. Vote KevinNU |
Barkeep49 - Kevin
KevinNU7 Mustang - Kevin Desnudo - Barkeep |
Of course, with the current voting, Kevin is probably going to vote for Barkeep which forces a tie and we come back tomorrow...
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Oh drama!
I love it. :) |
it seems pretty clear to me now. Mustang I urge you change your mind
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Dola,
a tie isn't necessarily bad, it forces the wolf to make a move. I'm going to log in once tomorrow morning, other then that I can't do much for this weekend. If we make it another day it would have to wait until Tuesday :( |
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I think barkeep is the cursed.
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Ok, I'm off
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You know if I change my vote and you are the wolf, people aren't going to be happy with me right? *L* |
This is a very fun ending..
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well except for the whole getting eaten portion of it.
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Don't feel bad. I'm sure that you were delicious. |
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Unfortunately, Kevin is busy tomorrow and I'm busy tomorrow... I could see this going on for a few days. I'm still muddled in my head that If Neuqua was replaced and Desnudo IS the bodyguard then there was a reason for the replacement.. that is the cursed. Maybe I'm wrong.. blame me.. Unvote KevinNU Vote Barkeep |
Looks like if Barkeep and Mustang can convince Desnudo to vote for Kevin, then we have a winner, either villagers or the wolves.
If there's no change, it's a tie, and I think we go to the chomping and gnashing of teeth, right? If either of the two votes for Kevin change, we could have a plurality without a majority, or still a tie(depending on what Kevin does). Interesting to see what happens there. The music is about to hit a crescendo..... |
This thread is going to get 1,000 views in the next 40 minutes.. *L*
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And NOW Kev can make the difference. Interesting strategic potential coming on his vote
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Howl!
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Kill the Wolf!!!
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Damn I wish I was playing so I could speak on this. I have a theory, if any NON-PLAYING folks want to hear it on what his strategy could be :)
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ok fine! Kill the werewolf!!!
Better? |
Barkeep49 - Kevin
KevinNU7 - Barkeep Mustang - Barkeep Desnudo - Barkeep I'm calling the voting at midnight (20 minutes). |
Ok, I've been following this since the beginning and I only have one question, what the fuck is *L*???? Is that some new internet/chat thing that makes kEwL d00d looks cool?
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It's another way to say LAUGHS.
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My assinine way of not using LOL |
Sorry. Emoticons are getting tiresome, aren't they?
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Bucc, the big question is.... will you be playing along next time?
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Swaggs, thanks for asking but I'll just watch. I'm just not around that much to commit.
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I will definitely play next time. this was fun strategitizing, even if I couldn't post it.
Two minutes, and then we will have a winner, probably.. |
Watching intently. :)
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Three of you agree on lynching Barkeep, who keeps protesting his innocence. "But...but...the seer, the seer said..." Kevin finally yells "Enough out of you wolf!" and runs Barkeep through with an old spear that's been propped in the corner for some time. Hmm...strange that Barkeep isn't changing into anything though. Apparently he was an innocent villager, just as he said!
After that it's fairly quick. There's some talk of trying to leave the manor, but the snow is piled up high outside and travel would be difficult, if not impossible. That night Desnudo is ripped to shreds, and even though Kevin wakes up in the middle of it and sees the werewolf, it's far too late. With a quick leap the wolf lands on Kevin and finishes him off too. Then quiet descends on the manor...quiet except for evil laughter from the sole remaining werewolf, Mustang... Werewolves win!!! Nice work all, especially Mustang, who I don't think got a vote the whole game, even at the end people had no clue. Brilliant wolfing. |
BRILLIANT. :)
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