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JPhillips 09-04-2018 12:17 PM

I'd be more accepting of Kavanaugh if Garland got a hearing, although I'd still be concerned by his deference to presidential power. At this point, I'm very supportive of the Dems just adding two seats the next time they can. I'd prefer term limits on justices, but the amendment process isn't going to work, and I'm in favor of making each individual justice less consequential.

SackAttack 09-04-2018 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3216487)
I'd be more accepting of Kavanaugh if Garland got a hearing, although I'd still be concerned by his deference to presidential power. At this point, I'm very supportive of the Dems just adding two seats the next time they can. I'd prefer term limits on justices, but the amendment process isn't going to work, and I'm in favor of making each individual justice less consequential.


The thing is...everybody knew the second Reid invoked the nuclear option on filibuster for federal judges, that Republicans would do the same for SCOTUS at the first opportunity.

And they did.

If Democrats take a page out of Roosevelt's book and look to add justices the next time they have control of the White House and Congress, do you really have any faith that Republicans wouldn't do exactly the same thing when the pendulum swung?

At some point, attempting to correct for excesses ends up undermining the institution.

JPhillips 09-04-2018 03:39 PM

To some extent I'm fine with that. One, I don't believe there's any different choice Dems could have made that would have changed McConnell's actions. Two, my problem isn't really about control of the courts, it's about how consequential each nominee is. If the court were larger each nominee is less important. Ideally we'd have terms for SC judges, but that takes an amendment and an amendment isn't going to happen. So, in lieu of that, I think expanding the size of the court, in small numbers at a time, is the next best option. We'll be fine with a court twice as large. I don't think it's healthy for democracy to have so much weight put upon each nominee.

mckerney 09-04-2018 04:28 PM

Today's reminder that there's still a tweet for everything.


Brian Swartz 09-05-2018 01:47 AM

I still say the same thing I did before; the way to correct this is to put Garland back up(or the closest thing to him that can be found).

JPhillips has a good point. Thing is, I think the only productive way forward is for people to care a lot more than they do about the kind of stonewalling that McConnell & Co. did. The 'any tactics are justified to defeat the opposition' mentality is just going to create more and more extremes until and unless cooler heads prevail. I know of one cooler head from our state: Rep. Justin Amash. He's quite conservative, but has the sense to not be blinded by it and has been willing to be a rare or even sole (R) voice on the correct side of things on a number of issues. Voices like his are rare, and we need a lot more of them which will only happen when the people demand it or are at least willing to support it. I hope for that to happen, but I don't expect it.

PilotMan 09-05-2018 07:05 AM

Could you imagine if Trump put Garland up?

Can you imagine, if he came out and said, this guy should have his chance? That what McDoofus did was wrong and we're going to make it right? I mean, it would be such an incredible move. Garland is old too.

I for one, am in the camp, that as long as the R's in the Capitol (I'm looking at Senate leadership from 2008 and on) are there, all still willing to play by a win at all costs playbook, then I'm ready to support the same on the opposite side. Until someone is willing to own up to the real issues, and honestly work to make it right. Too long has one side offered to strike a deal and been cut down, then been told, that's how you play the game and the other side celebrates. Too long. There is no response other than full on battle tactics afaic.

JPhillips 09-05-2018 07:43 AM

I can't come up with a plausible scenario for returning to some of these lost norms without mutually assured destruction hanging over all of them. Breaking norms needs to be perceived as more painful than observing them.

albionmoonlight 09-05-2018 09:11 AM

If anything was designed to make the xenophobic germaphobe Trump freak the fuck out:




I guess if the plane was coming from Africa, it would be a little worse for him, but this will still get all of his attention today

digamma 09-05-2018 09:47 AM

Maybe this is finally the Ebola outbreak Trump warned us about years ago. Stop the flights!



Marc Vaughan 09-05-2018 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3216567)
I for one, am in the camp, that as long as the R's in the Capitol (I'm looking at Senate leadership from 2008 and on) are there, all still willing to play by a win at all costs playbook, then I'm ready to support the same on the opposite side. Until someone is willing to own up to the real issues, and honestly work to make it right. Too long has one side offered to strike a deal and been cut down, then been told, that's how you play the game and the other side celebrates. Too long. There is no response other than full on battle tactics afaic.


If you look at how democracies fall unfortunately that response is basically the playbook for that happening - it weakens the protections in place to prevent the rule of law being usurped by allowing wilder and wilder changes until at some point a real dictator takes charge (and no I don't think 'Trump' is going to be that).

If you look at the last few decades this has started to happen and its not all 'right wing' either unfortunately much as I'm a lefty you have to own up to bad decisions on both sides when this sort of thing occurs imho.

(and I for one would like to see the Democrats stand proudly on the left rather than continually subscribing to 'Republican lite' like they tend to ...)

Lathum 09-05-2018 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3216481)
Kavanaugh not getting a warm reception from Senate Democrats and protestors in his confirmation hearing. Good


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Originally Posted by digamma (Post 3216596)
Maybe this is finally the Ebola outbreak Trump warned us about years ago. Stop the flights!





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Originally Posted by rowech (Post 2968235)
This is going to explode in the USA very soon. People are so stupid. Why would she travel to a different city? Just dumb beyond dumb.


4 years later finally happening!

BYU 14 09-05-2018 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216593)
If anything was designed to make the xenophobic germaphobe Trump freak the fuck out:




I guess if the plane was coming from Africa, it would be a little worse for him, but this will still get all of his attention today


We've seen this before

molson 09-05-2018 11:16 AM

Just imagine if Trump was president during the Ebola outbreak.

jct32 09-05-2018 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3216610)
Just imagine if Trump was president during the Ebola outbreak.


I don’t even want to imagine that.

Ben E Lou 09-05-2018 12:25 PM



Ksyrup 09-05-2018 12:26 PM

Hallway Heckle Spat is going to be the name of my garage punk band.

Thomkal 09-05-2018 01:09 PM

Amongst the numerous tweets since yesterday in response to the Woodward book:


Isn’t it a shame that someone can write an article or book, totally make up stories and form a picture of a person that is literally the exact opposite of the fact, and get away with it without retribution or cost. Don’t know why Washington politicians don’t change libel laws?

Ben E Lou 09-05-2018 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216593)
If anything was designed to make the xenophobic germaphobe Trump freak the fuck out:




I guess if the plane was coming from Africa, it would be a little worse for him, but this will still get all of his attention today


The timing makes this suspect, but apparently Vanilla Ice is claiming to be on that plane.


Vanilla Ice on Twitter: "So I just landed from Dubai and now there is like tons of ambulances and fire trucks and police all over the place… "

JPhillips 09-05-2018 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3216617)



Good job GOP establishment.

Warhammer 09-05-2018 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan (Post 3216603)
If you look at how democracies fall unfortunately that response is basically the playbook for that happening - it weakens the protections in place to prevent the rule of law being usurped by allowing wilder and wilder changes until at some point a real dictator takes charge (and no I don't think 'Trump' is going to be that).

If you look at the last few decades this has started to happen and its not all 'right wing' either unfortunately much as I'm a lefty you have to own up to bad decisions on both sides when this sort of thing occurs imho.

(and I for one would like to see the Democrats stand proudly on the left rather than continually subscribing to 'Republican lite' like they tend to ...)


I love this post, because much of this rings true. I do differ with you on your final point, I think one of the reasons why the US has been stable for so long is that Democrats were Republican Lite and Republicans morphed into Democrat Lite.

I think what happened was once the Soviets ceased to be the big bad guy after Gorbachev, we did not have anything to rally around. Clinton was given a bit of a pass (by and large), until Lewinski came up. That gave the Republicans something to rally around. Then with the 2000 election, many Democrats were not going to work with GWB under any circumstances because the 2000 election was "stolen." If it was not for 9/11 GWB is a single term president. After the 2004 election, the Democrats were not going to pass anything under Bush, so the Republicans returned the favor under Obama when they could. We know the rest.

The problem with any truly free form of government, you need to have an educated population that is not voting for their party, but is thinking through the issues. Unfortunately, Americans have a personality quirk that we need to win at all costs. We do not want to back a loser. That is why we have so many more bandwagon fans than many other countries do. Many people here do not vote for a third party because that is throwing your vote away, and it is best to vote for one of the big two. If we always do this nothing is going to change.

We need to make it easier for more parties to get involved in government. The problem is, it is not in the interest of the Republicans or Democrats to let that happen. Also, if we do start to see good candidates from other parties, we need to vote for them rather than defaulting back to the big two.

SackAttack 09-05-2018 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3216623)
Amongst the numerous tweets since yesterday in response to the Woodward book:


Isn’t it a shame that someone can write an article or book, totally make up stories and form a picture of a person that is literally the exact opposite of the fact, and get away with it without retribution or cost. Don’t know why Washington politicians don’t change libel laws?


But Mr. President, all you have to do under current law is prove that it's both false AND malicious. Surely that should be easy?

Oh, you mean you want the law changed so you can say "the bad man hurt my fee-fees give me all the money" without having to actually prove that the speech is maliciously false?

Constitutionalist, my ass.

corbes 09-05-2018 03:11 PM

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master — that's all.'

Thomkal 09-05-2018 03:56 PM

A "senior official in the Trump Administration", known to the NY times., asked to write an annoymous Op-Ed there to let people know that there are those in the admin trying to limit the damage Trump is doing.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/o...mid=tw-nytimes

AENeuman 09-05-2018 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3216646)
A "senior official in the Trump Administration", known to the NY times., asked to write an anonymous Op-Ed there to let people know that there are those in the admin trying to limit the damage Trump is doing.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/o...mid=tw-nytimes


When it says, "We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t." That's a coup right? People we have not elected are making decisions and preventing the president from executing the duties of the presidency.

Either Trump should be able to act how he wants or he should be removed. But having anonymous government workers Be "the adults" in the room is treasonous, right???

ISiddiqui 09-05-2018 04:26 PM

A soft coup perhaps. Trying to prevent the President from getting all the information. Though that has existed to a smaller level in previous administrations. This seems like all out coordinated activity to prevent the President from having too much power.

It'll be interesting to see who it is. And how crazy Trump is going right now.

As far as treasonous... that's a bit silly. Every treason statute says you have to be doing something aiding the enemies of the state.

AlexB 09-05-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman (Post 3216649)
When it says, "We fully recognize what is happening. And we are trying to do what’s right even when Donald Trump won’t." That's a coup right? People we have not elected are making decisions and preventing the president from executing the duties of the presidency.

Either Trump should be able to act how he wants or he should be removed. But having anonymous government workers Be "the adults" in the room is treasonous, right???


I’m sure this happens under every President. It’s likely just on a much alrger scale this time.

AENeuman 09-05-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexB (Post 3216655)
I’m sure this happens under every President. It’s likely just on a much alrger scale this time.


Well sure, scale matters. But I can't think of another example where someone proclaimed: don't worry America, there's a bunch of us secretly working to thwart the President of the United States.

RainMaker 09-05-2018 04:41 PM

It was either Pence or someone who really wants people to think it was Pence.

Lathum 09-05-2018 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman (Post 3216658)
Well sure, scale matters. But I can't think of another example where someone proclaimed: don't worry America, there's a bunch of us secretly working to thwart the President of the United States.


Desperate times and all that stuff.....

albionmoonlight 09-05-2018 05:08 PM

Trump sucks. But people working to undermine the President from the inside should scare everyone.

Also, these people are the worst of the worst. They know, better than anyone, that the President is unfit. And they have the access to let us know that so that the constitutional process for removing him could begin in earnest.

But instead they prop him up because they are afraid that throwing him out might depress turnout in Iowa or some shit. Fuck those people for keeping Trump's finger on the button.

Lathum 09-05-2018 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216666)
Trump sucks. But people working to undermine the President from the inside should scare everyone.

Also, these people are the worst of the worst. They know, better than anyone, that the President is unfit. And they have the access to let us know that so that the constitutional process for removing him could begin in earnest.

But instead they prop him up because they are afraid that throwing him out might depress turnout in Iowa or some shit. Fuck those people for keeping Trump's finger on the button.


I haven't read the piece yet, but if I was them I would be concerned if I came forward and he wasn't removed, then I would be, thus removing the safeguard against him doing something batshit, which at some point he likely will do resulting in loss of lives..

SackAttack 09-05-2018 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3216653)
A soft coup perhaps. Trying to prevent the President from getting all the information. Though that has existed to a smaller level in previous administrations. This seems like all out coordinated activity to prevent the President from having too much power.

It'll be interesting to see who it is. And how crazy Trump is going right now.

As far as treasonous... that's a bit silly. Every treason statute says you have to be doing something aiding the enemies of the state.


There's some wiggle room as far as what constitutes "aid and comfort."

But the Constitution also says you have to confess to the act, or there have to be witnesses, plural. "Aid and comfort" ain't enough.

jeff061 09-05-2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216666)
Trump sucks. But people working to undermine the President from the inside should scare everyone.


The idea that it is necessary scares me, but anything to keep a racist Cheeto Skinned Magic 8-Ball from running our country.

And now because the gullible jackasses on the right are still endlessly supporting him, we have gullible jackasses on the left replacing incumbents with Socialists. Congrats to the right, you elected Trump because of all the holier than thou sentiment and triggering. Now the left is responding in kind.

People are not intelligent enough to choose their own leaders or understand what policies are best for them beyond the current calendar year. On either side of the aisle.

Ksyrup 09-05-2018 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216666)
But instead they prop him up because they are afraid that throwing him out might depress turnout in Iowa or some shit. Fuck those people for keeping Trump's finger on the button.


I really don't believe this is the case. I believe this person when they talk about concern over a constitutional crisis. I can only imagine the laundry list of "end of times"-type scenarios that would play out if Trump was removed from office in that way. "Mueller had nothing, so now they're just gonna make crap up and take him down." It would only serve to enrage and embolden the crazies on the right who believe all of this is make-believe, a product of the deep state.

We'd have wide-scale rioting, I believe. Sarasota would likely be the first to burn...

JPhillips 09-05-2018 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216666)
Trump sucks. But people working to undermine the President from the inside should scare everyone.

Also, these people are the worst of the worst. They know, better than anyone, that the President is unfit. And they have the access to let us know that so that the constitutional process for removing him could begin in earnest.

But instead they prop him up because they are afraid that throwing him out might depress turnout in Iowa or some shit. Fuck those people for keeping Trump's finger on the button.


This.

JPhillips 09-05-2018 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhammer (Post 3216626)

I think what happened was once the Soviets ceased to be the big bad guy after Gorbachev, we did not have anything to rally around. Clinton was given a bit of a pass (by and large), until Lewinski came up. That gave the Republicans something to rally around. Then with the 2000 election, many Democrats were not going to work with GWB under any circumstances because the 2000 election was "stolen." If it was not for 9/11 GWB is a single term president. After the 2004 election, the Democrats were not going to pass anything under Bush, so the Republicans returned the favor under Obama when they could. We know the rest.



There's a lot wrong here. The GOP worked against Clinton from day one. Look at the tax bill, the health reform process, the reaction to Don't Ask/Don't Tell, the travel office outrage, Whitewater.... All this in 1993.

And with Bush, Dems helped pass the tax bill, the Homeland Security bill, the education bill, the Iraq war bill. The first universal opposition was to the idea of Social Security privatization and that was in 2005.

cuervo72 09-05-2018 06:39 PM

What I wonder is if this is meant as a "it's ok everybody - we have this" message or if this individual wants to push either their co-minders or Congress to act.

JPhillips 09-05-2018 08:28 PM

The op-ed was written by a coward. Speak out. Follow procedures laid out in the Constitution. Testify to Congress in favor of impeachment.

Knifing the President and pretending it's okay is a pretty transparent attempt to rehabilitate reputations. Cowards aren't heroes.

NobodyHere 09-05-2018 08:29 PM

Am I the only one that thinks that maybe this wasn't penned by a senior official in the Whitehouse? I tend to be skeptical of anonymous sources.

JPhillips 09-05-2018 08:57 PM

I don't see the NYT lying about the source. Senior is the only word I think may be in doubt, but I'd be shocked if this wasn't a person with regular contact with Trump or at least the WH staff.

Thomkal 09-05-2018 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3216691)
Am I the only one that thinks that maybe this wasn't penned by a senior official in the Whitehouse? I tend to be skeptical of anonymous sources.



Would seem very odd of the NY Times to lie about something like that. Also Trump has responded, after a Treason one-word post the next one was more chilling:


Does the so-called “Senior Administration Official” really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!

Groundhog 09-05-2018 10:36 PM

Chilling, but pretty telling. Implies that it's completely fake, but says just in case, that the Times should hand them over...

BishopMVP 09-05-2018 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216666)
Trump sucks. But people working to undermine the President from the inside should scare everyone.

Also, these people are the worst of the worst. They know, better than anyone, that the President is unfit. And they have the access to let us know that so that the constitutional process for removing him could begin in earnest.

But instead they prop him up because they are afraid that throwing him out might depress turnout in Iowa or some shit. Fuck those people for keeping Trump's finger on the button.

I think it's just as likely they know that Congressional Republicans have completely abdicated that responsibility. I see Rainmaker said it was likely Pence, my first thought was John Kelly, but he seems like the type that would just do it and not worry about his reputation or be dumb enough to think this op-ed would help anything. Could be someone on his staff though.

AlexB 09-06-2018 01:51 AM

One big issue is that until people do step forward, it’s nigh on impossible to prove or disprove, so it ends up reinforcing Trump when he refutes them, goes on a rant, and his base dig their trenches in even further.

Brian Swartz 09-06-2018 01:52 AM

The problem will all of this is I don't think the information getting out does any good, at least not right now. Trump's approval rating hasn't fluctuated much at all with traditionally good/bad news. The things which generally make him unfit for office are not new discoveries. They were well known months before the election.

JPhillips 09-06-2018 06:29 AM

Another op-ed



Ben E Lou 09-06-2018 06:42 AM

Given the cowardice inherent in this op-ed, the fact that now we see that there's an oft-used-by-Mattis phrase in there as well, I'm going with Ben Carson as my #1 suspect--someone with the combination of intelligence and cowardice to pull this off. (No one other than Ted Cruz has displayed Carson's level of cowardice in my estimation.)

PilotMan 09-06-2018 07:11 AM

Given the scope of individuals that run our government, and the layers upon layers of people that are all exposed to various topics, events, plans, and personnel, how do can people continue to follow something like the Q-anon or any other massive conspiracy where you've got supposedly secret information, that is so secret only 1 or 2 people know about it, and it's so huge, that it engulfs entire departments or multiple departments?

The converse to that statement is, here we have another book, and it's not the first. Book after book, about what goes on in the WH. From multiple sources, granted they are not open sources, but many, many sources. Talking about who said what, and what goes on. Open that even further, and look at the body of work written in articles from actual sources about what kind of person trump was in business, how operated in the reality show world, the Access Hollywood tapes, and you've got a pretty clear picture, and none of it surprising.

SO. How is it, that a large group of people are simply swayed by the idea that literally all of the latter are lying and that every bit of it is made up, simply because the boss said so? And how can this same large group of people be willing to believe that a massive, all encompassing plan is afoot to usurp the power of government and that the resistance to this incredible plan is masterminded by 1 or a small group of people that have this incredible power across multiple agencies? Further, how is it, that in this age, where information seems to be pretty readily available from sources, that no other knowledge of such a plan is known despite the layers and layers of people in said agencies, who would be willing to talk?

I just don't get the logic leap that has to exist. I do understand however, that a group, that feels constantly persecuted, and is willing to believe that they have been overlooked, marginalized and ignored, is willing to latch on to someone they see as their savior.

JPhillips 09-06-2018 08:41 AM

Ben Sasse:

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“I’m still processing it. It’s just so similar to what so many of us hear from senior people around the White House, you know, three times a week. So it’s really troubling, and yet in a way, not surprising.”

How many senators have been hearing these stories three times a week and for how long? Pillars of strength, all of them.

stevew 09-06-2018 09:54 AM

Does Booker actually have the balls to leak all these redacted emails?

Ben E Lou 09-06-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3216742)
Does Booker actually have the balls to leak all these redacted emails?

All of them? Dunno. But he has released at least one now.

jct32 09-06-2018 10:59 AM

Is this hearing the precursor to the Democratic 2020 primaries? Harris and Booker making a show.

Lathum 09-06-2018 11:05 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/06/polit...ase/index.html

albionmoonlight 09-06-2018 12:17 PM



Kodos 09-06-2018 12:29 PM

That's a reference that you want on your resume for sure!

Ben E Lou 09-06-2018 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216759)


Sometimes I can't tell if has an unfathomable level of unawareness, or is just trolling.


Thomkal 09-06-2018 12:37 PM

Senator Hirono from Hawaii has also released documents

Thomkal 09-06-2018 12:47 PM

Yeah about those inauguration crowd photos...


Trump inauguration crowd photos were edited after he intervened | World news | The Guardian

Ksyrup 09-06-2018 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3216765)
Senator Hirono from Hawaii has also released documents


We're they cleared like Booker's already were before he put on his act?

Are the people in charge so stupid as to not realize how much this kind of stuff plays directly into Trump's "fake news" claims? That was nothing more than a show put on by a guy who is going to run for President, making himself out to be a false martyr. I mean, really.

Ksyrup 09-06-2018 01:44 PM

The whole thing is a joke - the hearing and the way it's being covered.

Fox is running with the "not confidential" story as if that's the biggest issue, and basically ignoring the substance. CNN, meanwhile,is still running a headline calling the emails confidential, but then has this as the first line of the story: Sen. Cory Booker's office just sent out an email linking to 12 pages of the documents that were previously marked "committee confidential."

QuikSand 09-06-2018 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3216666)
Trump sucks. But people working to undermine the President from the inside should scare everyone.

Also, these people are the worst of the worst. They know, better than anyone, that the President is unfit. And they have the access to let us know that so that the constitutional process for removing him could begin in earnest.

But instead they prop him up because they are afraid that throwing him out might depress turnout in Iowa or some shit. Fuck those people for keeping Trump's finger on the button.


Well put.

Also, this from Rick Wilson. Fun.

JPhillips 09-06-2018 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by corbes (Post 3216790)
On the substance, are they really saying that of all the documents they've reviewed, the most damning thing they can come up with is legal advice from 1995?


They've got him lying under oath and admitting the Roe v. Wade isn't settled law. What more do you want?

JPhillips 09-06-2018 04:19 PM

The whole game hinges on Collins, Murkowski, and maybe Scott. Collins has said she will only vote for a nominee that won't overturn Roe. She's been appeased by hearing both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh say Roe is settled law. In the email he objects to calling Roe settled.

I doubt it matters, as I think all the GOP will do what they always do, get in line when told, but maybe it's enough to sway Collins. Everything is going to take on immense proportion when one GOP no vote potentially sinks the nomination.

Thomkal 09-06-2018 04:49 PM

Twitter permanently bans Alex Jones and Infowars:


Twitter bans Alex Jones and Infowars for abusive behaviour - BBC News

miami_fan 09-06-2018 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3216818)
The whole game


This sums up this entire thread imo.

Thomkal 09-06-2018 08:34 PM

So Rudy today said that Trump will not answer any obstruction questions in writing or in person. So lets stop the posturing and subpoena him already and move on to the next step in the dance shall we?


Giuliani to AP: Trump will not answer obstruction questions

JPhillips 09-06-2018 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 3216837)
This sums up this entire thread imo.


I don't deny it can be a game for those participating, but the outcome of that game has real impact on people's lives. Politics is about the distribution of power, and who wields power matters to people. Regardless of your personal politics, these decisions do matter and everyone involved isn't fighting for the same interests.

Ksyrup 09-07-2018 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3216818)
The whole game hinges on Collins, Murkowski, and maybe Scott. Collins has said she will only vote for a nominee that won't overturn Roe. She's been appeased by hearing both Gorsuch and Kavanaugh say Roe is settled law. In the email he objects to calling Roe settled.

I doubt it matters, as I think all the GOP will do what they always do, get in line when told, but maybe it's enough to sway Collins. Everything is going to take on immense proportion when one GOP no vote potentially sinks the nomination.


I read the emails, and I think he was objecting to the phrasing on a technicality, the point being whether anyone can definitively state that any legal precedent is "settled law." Any legal precedent can come to be settled law... until it's not. Now, whether he views Roe as the only case he might believe could be overturned as opposed to, say, certain 4th Amendment cases, or interstate commerce cases, we're not going to get an answer.

JPhillips 09-07-2018 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3216881)
I read the emails, and I think he was objecting to the phrasing on a technicality, the point being whether anyone can definitively state that any legal precedent is "settled law." Any legal precedent can come to be settled law... until it's not. Now, whether he views Roe as the only case he might believe could be overturned as opposed to, say, certain 4th Amendment cases, or interstate commerce cases, we're not going to get an answer.


I agree. I'm just saying that Collins has said she's fine with Kavanaugh in part because he agrees that Roe is settled law. This memo makes it clear he doesn't see Roe as settled. Regardless of whether he's talking about Roe specifically or all case law, the outcome in terms of Collins is the same.

I also think it won't matter. Collins has proven over and over that as long as she hears the right words, the reality doesn't matter. I'm still waiting on the ACA fixes she was promised.

BYU 14 09-07-2018 09:47 AM

From his Billings rally. I don't know if the ads screen capped in the twitter feed are real, but apparently there was an ad like this for his last appearance here too. and it would definitely not shock me. What a fucking circus.

Rantt Media on Twitter: "At Trump’s Montana rally, some of his supporters seemed irritated. Some seemed unenthusiastic and even bored.

Is this why multiple supporters were swapped out?… https://t.co/lqZTen3aXf"

molson 09-07-2018 10:31 AM

I think that's the first Trump 2020 shirt I've seen.

SackAttack 09-07-2018 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3216890)
I think that's the first Trump 2020 shirt I've seen.


Considering how quickly they filed the re-election papers so they could keep collecting campaign donations, I'm a little surprised it took two years for one to surface in the wild.

miami_fan 09-07-2018 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 3216890)
I think that's the first Trump 2020 shirt I've seen.


One of my neighbors has a Trump 2020 flag in his garage.

stevew 09-07-2018 12:50 PM

I saw some dude with a truck flying one of those of month or two ago.

SackAttack 09-07-2018 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 3216905)
I saw some dude with a truck flying one of those of month or two ago.


Wasn't aware Trump was using the Stars and Bars for his re-election logo.

Thomkal 09-07-2018 03:20 PM

Papadopoulous about to be the first Trump campaign member to be sentenced. Prosecutors say they went through 100,000 emails and 8GB of data to uncover what Papa could have told them originally. His own attorney called George naive and stupid and blamed Donald Trump for his fake news campaign complicating this case.


Edit: 14 days. Knew it wasn't going to be a lot but was hoping it was closer to the 6 months prosecutors were hoping for. Does not go directly to jail.

Lathum 09-07-2018 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3216923)
Papadopoulous about to be the first Trump campaign member to be sentenced. Prosecutors say they went through 100,000 emails and 8GB of data to uncover what Papa could have told them originally. His own attorney called George naive and stupid and blamed Donald Trump for his fake news campaign complicating this case.


Edit: 14 days. Knew it wasn't going to be a lot but was hoping it was closer to the 6 months prosecutors were hoping for. Does not go directly to jail.


Wonder if he is going to come out with a Thug Life tattoo, I'm sure this experience will change him drastically.

Thomkal 09-07-2018 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3216927)
Wonder if he is going to come out with a Thug Life tattoo, I'm sure this experience will change him drastically.



He will be a completely changed man I'm sure. :) The important fact is that he's now another member of the Trump tribe who's a felon.

PilotMan 09-07-2018 04:35 PM

The light sentences that white collar crime get in this country are a joke.

Thomkal 09-07-2018 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3216934)
The light sentences that white collar crime get in this country are a joke.



I have to think that there was more cooperation on Papa's behalf that we've been lead to believe. Because Probation Office was only suggesting 30 days, and sentencing guidelines on this crime seem rather light. Mueller's team wanted 6 months, so still not a big time in jail regardless. He was hoping to walk with no jail time which would have been really ridiculous if it happened.



Let's just hope we are not similarly disappointed when Manafort's sentencing happens this month (and he still has another trial)

Thomkal 09-07-2018 07:22 PM

Trump mocks the Papadopolos verdict:


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ho-lied-to-fbi

kingfc22 09-07-2018 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3216943)
Trump mocks the Papadopolos verdict:


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ho-lied-to-fbi


Meanwhile the entire world mocks him

Thomkal 09-07-2018 07:33 PM

Joseph Mitsud the UK lawyer who Papadopolous lied about which in turn prevented the FBI from arresting him, may be dead according to his lawyers:


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ct-may-be-dead

Ksyrup 09-07-2018 07:39 PM

Plaid shirt guy must be a plant, but holy crap are the videos hilarious.

NobodyHere 09-08-2018 08:02 PM

So I'm taking a text analysis class right now and I decided to "analyze" trump's twitter feed.

By analyze I mean taking established code and pointing it at Trump's account.

Here's a word cloud from a sampling of @realDonalTrump tweets



I had no idea what "diamondandsilk" referred to but after googling I assume it's this: Diamond and Silk - Wikipedia

PilotMan 09-08-2018 09:57 PM

I'm shocked it's that diverse.

Thomkal 09-08-2018 10:07 PM

So a Democratic Super Pac has filed a criminal complaint against Kavanaugh for perjury. Doubt it goes anywhere, but could be amusing if it does cause the initial reviewer would be (unless he recuses himself) Merrick Garland :)


https://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...-Who-ll-Review

NobodyHere 09-08-2018 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3217013)
I'm shocked it's that diverse.


Keep in mind it's people tweeting about Trump and not just Donald's tweets.

ETA: This is information from about 5000 tweets captured from a span of a couple minutes.

EagleFan 09-09-2018 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3217015)
Keep in mind it's people tweeting about Trump and not just Donald's tweets.

ETA: This is information from about 5000 tweets captured from a span of a couple minutes.


In that case it makes sense. Would like to see it for just his tweets.

Witch Hunt
Obama
Hillary
Lock Her Up
Fake News
...

PilotMan 09-09-2018 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3217033)
In that case it makes sense. Would like to see it for just his tweets.

Witch Hunt
Obama
Hillary
Lock Her Up
Fake News
...





...
very
many
people
sad
best
greatest
ever


I want to see that along side the same thing done for a series of writings by a 3rd grader. I bet they are identical.

EagleFan 09-09-2018 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3217034)
...
very
many
people
sad
best
greatest
ever


I want to see that along side the same thing done for a series of writings by a 3rd grader. I bet they are identical.


lol, true.

NobodyHere 09-09-2018 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan (Post 3217033)
In that case it makes sense. Would like to see it for just his tweets.

Witch Hunt
Obama
Hillary
Lock Her Up
Fake News
...


Maybe I'll try to do that later

NobodyHere 09-09-2018 02:57 PM

dola

I believe this is only limited to Trump tweets. It's also based off 423 tweets. I guess searching for tweets using R isn't as robust as you'd think it'd be.


PilotMan 09-09-2018 03:13 PM

The thing that stands out about that one is at the very bottom. trump is bigger than america.

Lathum 09-10-2018 08:05 AM

Trump has gone completely off this rails this morning and is retweeting pro trump propaganda from a twitter account with 3200 followers.

JPhillips 09-10-2018 04:25 PM

The House GOP introduced some bills today... MAWR TAX CUTS!

whomario 09-11-2018 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3217161)
The House GOP introduced some bills today... MAWR TAX CUTS!


Bread and circuses - Wikipedia

cartman 09-11-2018 12:20 PM

So sorry for those in the path of the hurricane. This can't be much comfort.



stevew 09-11-2018 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 3217247)
So sorry for those in the path of the hurricane. This can't be much comfort.




We have an A+ record on handling hurricanes affecting American citizens. Shouldn't be an issue.

Hopefully his heel Spurs don't act up when he's tossing rolls of paper towels.

Radii 09-11-2018 01:55 PM

North Carolina has a bunch of white people, so they'll get the attention and aid if its needed after this week.


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