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Kodos 09-27-2023 06:59 AM

If I were his Secret Service detail, I'd be surprisingly lax.

CrimsonFox 09-27-2023 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla (Post 3412916)
Hopefully the trial will cause major stress and he'll have a stroke and die


every time he opens his mouth his blood vessel grow larger. His head should have exploded years ago

Edward64 09-27-2023 07:23 AM

Uh, NSA ...

If you are listening, I do not approve or condone this recent series of posts.



(... and yes, I lost a couple of my AR's in a boating trip, sunk to the bottom)

GrantDawg 09-28-2023 06:06 PM

Trump has decided not yo try to move his Georgia case to Federal Court. It is believed he feels the Federal judge in the case might actually be worse to him than the Georgia judge.

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GrantDawg 09-29-2023 06:33 AM

It's a cult.

Edward64 09-29-2023 05:31 PM

1 down and 17+1 to go.

He seems like a very low person on the totem pole. Wonder what the reason was to not offer him a plea deal or him not accepting it.

Scott Hall: Bail bondsman is first defendant to plead guilty in Georgia election subversion case | CNN Politics
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One of former President Donald Trump’s co-defendants has pleaded guilty to five counts in the 2020 election subversion case in Georgia.

Bail bondsman Scott Hall, 59, is the first defendant in the case brought by the Fulton County district attorney’s office to take a plea agreement with prosecutors.

The agreement, entered in Fulton County Superior Court on Friday afternoon, recommends a sentence of five years probation.

Hall was accused of conspiring to unlawfully access voter data and ballot counting machines at the Coffee County election office on January 7, 2021.

He spent hours inside a restricted area of the election office when voting systems were breached, which was connected to efforts by pro-Trump conspiracy theorists to find voter fraud. Hall was captured on surveillance video at the office on the day of the breach. He testified before the special grand jury in the Fulton County case and acknowledged that he gained access to a voting machine.

RainMaker 09-29-2023 05:44 PM

Probation and community service.

Ksyrup 10-01-2023 08:50 PM

Apparently we were *this close* to a world in which Trump was bought off to not run for President by the FTX guy and then FTX collapses around, say, November 10, 2024.

GrantDawg 10-02-2023 04:37 AM

No jail time and the convictions will be stricken from the record if he serves the probation without incident. He is also required to testify against his co-defendants.

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Thomkal 10-02-2023 10:49 AM

So Trump actually showed up for one of his trials today-in NY Trump Org Fraud trial...and wouldn't it be great if he fell asleep during the trial...

albionmoonlight 10-02-2023 12:26 PM

Apparently he isn't getting a jury trial because his lawyer forgot to ask for one.

GrantDawg 10-02-2023 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3413323)
Apparently he isn't getting a jury trial because his lawyer forgot to ask for one.

He may not have qualified for one anyway.


albionmoonlight 10-02-2023 01:36 PM

Ah. Social media made it seem like an unforced error.

A strategic decision not to litigate something that isn't clear is not an unforced error of that nature.

Thomkal 10-03-2023 10:59 AM

So Trump and his lawyers claim that the judge agreed that the statute of limitations had passed on about 80% of what he was found guilty of and that would be reflected in his verdict. Not true of course.

GrantDawg 10-03-2023 02:19 PM

Judge finally tells him to shut up.

Ksyrup 10-05-2023 05:21 PM

Nothing to see here...


albionmoonlight 10-05-2023 06:05 PM

Putin must still think back to those one-on-one meetings he had with Trump and smile.

GrantDawg 10-06-2023 12:58 PM

A judge threw out a motion to dismissed that was filed by Cheseboro. In the final statement the judge used a Monty Python reference.
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And if this parrot of a motion is somehow not yet dead, the Defendant has failed to establish how Special ADA Wade’s actions resulted in prejudice, i.e., how his assignment singlehandedly changed any specific actions taken during the investigation or resulted in the true bill of indictment. See Martin v. State, 195 Ga. App. 548, 551 (1990) (requiring prejudice before remedying a purported officer disqualification). Nor has Defendant established a constitutional violation or structural defect in the grand jury process sufficient to justify outright dismissal. See State v. Lampl, 296 Ga. 892, 897 (2015) (“Unless expressly authorized by statute, [dismissal of an indictment] generally cannot be imposed absent a violation of a constitutional right” or when the structural protections of the grand jury have been compromised); Olsen v. State, 302 Ga. 288, 294 (2017) (“Dismissal of an indictment is an extreme sanction”). The motion is DENIED.

Galaril 10-06-2023 01:58 PM

Judge Cannon hands Trump a win with a stay to delay part of the Mar Lar Go docs case. She is making it look like she will push the whole thing out past the Nov 2024 election.

bronconick 10-06-2023 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3413579)
Nothing to see here...



On Nov 9th, 2022, U.S. Navy nuclear engineer Jonathan Toebbe and his wife, Dianna, were sentenced to 18 and 21 years in prison—respectively—for merely *attempting* to *sell* classified information about nuclear submarines to a foreign country. Trump blurted it out for free.

GrantDawg 10-06-2023 02:30 PM

Kevin McCarty is rumored to be stepping down from his seat. Majes sense. Most people that are removed or forced to resign from leadership don't stay. You are damaged goods at that point.

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Atocep 10-06-2023 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3413668)
Kevin McCarty is rumored to be stepping down from his seat. Majes sense. Most people that are removed or forced to resign from leadership don't stay. You are damaged goods at that point.

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Another GOP Trump casualty.

Thomkal 10-06-2023 03:01 PM

No doubt Republicans will call it "the most successful Speakership ever"

bronconick 10-06-2023 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3413668)
Kevin McCarty is rumored to be stepping down from his seat. Majes sense. Most people that are removed or forced to resign from leadership don't stay. You are damaged goods at that point.

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You don't recover from being owned by a serial sexual predator like Matt Gaetz.

Thomkal 10-06-2023 03:52 PM

Apparently McCarthy is now saying he is not stepping down. Gaetz probably spread the lie.

Thomkal 10-16-2023 11:59 AM

Judge Chutkan issues gag order on Trump for DC Trial:


https://twitter.com/politico/status/1713956260544962956

CrimsonFox 10-16-2023 12:11 PM

She'll need an extra large gag

Thomkal 10-16-2023 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3414837)
She'll need an extra large gag



I think they stock those in prison :)

Ksyrup 10-19-2023 09:12 AM

Sidney Powell pleads guilty in GA. You hate to see it.

SirFozzie 10-19-2023 09:32 AM

She managed to release the Kraken. She was the Kraken, and releasing it means probation.

Thomkal 10-19-2023 09:33 AM

Yeah she seemed the type to go to the very end. Sadly she's pleading guilty to 6 misdemeanors and has to fully cooperate with the DA on all othera charged/suspects.



i hope she gets permanently disbarred now, and has dirt on others involved that we don't know about yet.

albionmoonlight 10-19-2023 09:54 AM

As a defense lawyer, I don't like it when co-defendants plead guilty and get probation.

That means they have some SHIT they are going to dump on my client.

albionmoonlight 10-19-2023 09:55 AM

dola:

In a normal case (I acknowledge that this is anything but normal), there is often what is called the "race to the courthouse to plead." EVERYONE wants to get in and flip and get the good deal before there is no one left to flip against.

albionmoonlight 10-19-2023 09:56 AM

"Don't snitch" is more aspirational than real in my experience. People are rational self-interested actors.

Edward64 10-19-2023 10:07 AM

In addition to the probation & apology letter, shouldn't there be some financial penalty? I mean she wasted some of my GA tax money going after her.

Thomkal 10-19-2023 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3415239)
In addition to the probation & apology letter, shouldn't there be some financial penalty? I mean she wasted some of my GA tax money going after her.



has she written an apology letter? Yeah I hope there are fines/lawsuits involved at some point.

NobodyHere 10-19-2023 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3415243)
has she written an apology letter? Yeah I hope there are fines/lawsuits involved at some point.


Apparently she has.

Thomkal 10-19-2023 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3415244)
Apparently she has.



Yes at the end of telling the judge she was pleading guilty the DA entered into evidence her apology letter.

miami_fan 10-19-2023 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3415238)
"Don't snitch" is more aspirational than real in my experience. People are rational self-interested actors.


Especially when there is no benefit to not snitching. I have a feeling that Greg Anderson profited (word choice intentional) more from not snitching on Barry Bonds than Sidney Powell would have for not snitching on the other defendants.

GrantDawg 10-19-2023 11:43 AM

That is shocking. I would never have guessed she wouldn't fight to the end. As bad a lawyer as she is, she must have seen the writing on the wall. I wonder how useful she will be as a witness? She was in the White House when most of these plans were made, and arguably the chief architect of much of it. At the very least she would seem to be a perfect witness to support the RICO elements.

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Edward64 10-19-2023 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3415239)
In addition to the probation & apology letter, shouldn't there be some financial penalty? I mean she wasted some of my GA tax money going after her.


CBS said about $8,700 in financial restitution. Think she got a sweet deal, hoping that means she has a lot to offer.

Yeah, I’ll trade Trump & Rudi for the Kraken lady.

Ksyrup 10-19-2023 01:03 PM

I'm curious how her testimony is going to play out. Trump is obviously going to play the "I was just following legal advice" card so it's likely she can't just say "I gave knowingly wrong legal advice" but also has to add, "and I told Trump/Rudy it was wrong and we all knew we were pushing a big lie to try to keep him in office illegally." Otherwise, to the extent the legal advice defense has any merit, she plays into Trump's defense. So there must be more to it.

Edward64 10-19-2023 01:09 PM

Or, as I read in a National Review article that the case was weak, in trouble and so something was better than nothing.

GrantDawg 10-19-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3415265)
Or, as I read in a National Review article that the case was weak, in trouble and so something was better than nothing.

The case against her? If it were in trouble then why would she take any plea deal? This plea is going to cost her dearly. She is no longer going to be the darling of the conspiracy theory circuit which was her only income. The "rat" is going a pariah among the nut-jobs. If she had a good chance to win, there is zero chance she pleas.

CrimsonFox 10-19-2023 02:45 PM

Powell doing that is kind of huge....

So are there any implications if she backs out and doesn't say that the others are guilty?
Like lies for them?

Atocep 10-19-2023 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox (Post 3415280)
Powell doing that is kind of huge....

So are there any implications if she backs out and doesn't say that the others are guilty?
Like lies for them?


They wouldn't offer her the deal without knowing what she'd say and they can pull the deal if she doesn't cooperate.

Thomkal 10-19-2023 04:52 PM

One of the Michigan fake electors pled out today too

CrimsonFox 10-19-2023 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3415282)
They wouldn't offer her the deal without knowing what she'd say and they can pull the deal if she doesn't cooperate.


So they can still charge her with a felony if she lies? I thought that once she's charged with the misdemeanors for the case, they can't charge her anymore.

Ksyrup 10-19-2023 05:10 PM

Typically plea deals include a stipulation that the person cooperate and testify truthfully as requested, or the plea deal is nullified.

Thomkal 10-19-2023 10:11 PM

Could be some drama tomorrow in Trump Org's Fraud Trial. Judge had ordered Trump to take down his social media attack on his law clerk who for some reason Trump is fixated on. They took down some of it, but until tonight it was still up on his personal website until someone found it was still there...and now the judge knows about it, and wants both sides there tomorrow.


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