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Neuqua 05-06-2009 11:24 PM

Rondo grabbed Hinrich and threw him against the announcers table and got a Flagarant 1, I'm interested to see what happens with Alston.

Jas_lov 05-06-2009 11:28 PM

Alston is not on the Celtics so he will be suspended for 1 game.

Neon_Chaos 05-06-2009 11:28 PM

The Lakers can be a tough team if they want to, like today, but they often revert to being a finesse team... like today...

Neon_Chaos 05-06-2009 11:44 PM

BOOM!

Derek Fisher is a rock.

Jas_lov 05-06-2009 11:45 PM

Fisher should be ejected from the game and suspended for the rest of the series. There is no place in the game for that dirtiness. Fisher has sucked this series and he should not be allowed to take out his frustrations without consequence just because he's on the Lakers.

whomario 05-06-2009 11:45 PM

Fisher just put a football tackle on Scola and is ejected. Terribly dumb move on his move ... Seriously, you are up 11 and do sth like that ?

RainMaker 05-06-2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2014080)
Fisher should be ejected from the game and suspended for the rest of the series. There is no place in the game for that dirtiness. Fisher has sucked this series and he should not be allowed to take out his frustrations without consequence just because he's on the Lakers.


I think he should get a 1 game suspension but he plays for the Lakers so fat chance of that happening.

Big Fo 05-06-2009 11:47 PM

Harsh ejection on Fisher, that should be a flagrant 1. This is the playoffs.

whomario 05-06-2009 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2014083)
Harsh ejection on Fisher, that should be a flagrant 1. This is the playoffs.


yeah, but itīs not the NFL playoffs ...;)

Neon_Chaos 05-06-2009 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2014086)
yeah, but itīs not the NFL playoffs ...;)


You didn't watch the Lakers-Jazz series, did you?

whomario 05-06-2009 11:56 PM

It is just unexcusable that a NBA point guard canīt make an entry pass ... :banghead:

whomario 05-06-2009 11:59 PM

how is it that every Houston guard gets either injured, incompetent or retarted within a season ? the last directed at Von Wafer ...

Neon_Chaos 05-07-2009 12:04 AM

Bye bye Ron Ron.

Groundhog 05-07-2009 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo (Post 2014083)
Harsh ejection on Fisher, that should be a flagrant 1. This is the playoffs.


Man, I don't care what league or time of the season it is, that was a completely stupid and unnecessary move by Fisher. He was looking right at Scola and just leaped in to him, what did he expect to happen? If he had at least not been looking at him when he jumped backwards, maybe it's just a personal foul, but come on... He deserves AT LEAST an ejection just for the utter stupidity of it.


Jas_lov 05-07-2009 12:07 AM

Joey Crawford is a company man. Kobe gets away with an elbow in the face and Artest gets ejected for it. The refs are ruining this series.

whomario 05-07-2009 12:08 AM

referees whistling everything on both sides, thatīs just terrible on both ends. Seriously ...

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2014103)
Joey Crawford is a company man. Kobe gets away with an elbow in the face and Artest gets ejected for it. The refs are ruining this series.


How much do we bet the league doesn't play it fair? They did suspend Howard for the same thing. Maybe they can put a clause in the rules that gives you a pass if you are a star in a major TV market.

heybrad 05-07-2009 12:10 AM

Derek Fisher should join a strong man competition and Scola must be made of paper. You'd think he got shot with a cannon they way he goes flying.

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:13 AM

Was that Ron's second technical? Why was he tossed?

Jas_lov 05-07-2009 12:13 AM

Watch Artest get suspended for game 3 while Fisher gets nothing. And Kobe gets away with murder, his second felony in the last 5 years.

Groundhog 05-07-2009 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by heybrad (Post 2014108)
Derek Fisher should join a strong man competition and Scola must be made of paper. You'd think he got shot with a cannon they way he goes flying.


Scola was leaning backwards when he got collected right in the chest by Fisher. He didn't go flying backwards, he basically just toppled over backwards in the spot directly behind him.

molson 05-07-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2013983)
Kind of tough to call that when Rondo got away with much worse and didn't get it.


There's a big difference between fouling someone on a play and just smacking someone after a play is over.

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:19 AM

Ah, the fans are certainly coming out.

While I agree that Fisher deserved to be ejected, that was nothing compared to what happened back in the "glory days" of the NBA as so many like to talk about.

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov (Post 2014115)
Watch Artest get suspended for game 3 while Fisher gets nothing. And Kobe gets away with murder, his second felony in the last 5 years.


Three players and only one has a criminal record...

Neon_Chaos 05-07-2009 12:22 AM

LOL at Yao knocking out his teammate.

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2014120)
Three players and only one has a criminal record...

How many white girls has Artest raped?

Neon_Chaos 05-07-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014122)
How many white girls has Artest raped?


5?

I don't know.

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:24 AM

Now we have a series :)

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014122)
How many white girls has Artest raped?

3?

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos (Post 2014123)
5?

I don't know.


Bastard :)

heybrad 05-07-2009 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014122)
How many white girls has Artest raped?


If the dick don't fit, you must acquit!

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:26 AM

We had Artest in Chicago. There are some fucking weird stories about him. One is that he applied at a Circuit City to get employee discounts. When the Bulls traded him he grabbed a huge picture off the wall of him from the Bulls complex and took it home.

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:36 AM

For a point of reference on the Fisher foul. This was very similar and from the playoffs 3 years ago. Posey was suspended for Game 4.





whomario 05-07-2009 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos (Post 2014121)
LOL at Yao knocking out his teammate.


should do that more often. Like at least every 3rd time he doesnīt get the ball with perfect position...

Brooks is not a nba staring level PG. Seriously, if you canīt pass the ball with a man on you, whereīs the point ?

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by whomario (Post 2014142)
should do that more often. Like at least every 3rd time he doesnīt get the ball with perfect position...

Brooks is not a nba staring level PG. Seriously, if you canīt pass the ball with a man on you, whereīs the point ?


I have no fucking idea why the Rockets don't go to Yao every trip down the floor. He's such a huge mismatch for other teams.

Why was Artest thrown out? Was that his second technical?

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:41 AM

Not sure why it's considered a big deal if Fisher is out for the game. Farmar should be playing more on Brooks.

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014145)
I have no fucking idea why the Rockets don't go to Yao every trip down the floor. He's such a huge mismatch for other teams.

Why was Artest thrown out? Was that his second technical?


Artest brought his finger across his throat

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 2014147)
Artest brought his finger across his throat

Is that worse than getting elbowed in the throat? I can understand a technical for getting in his face, but don't see why it's worth of an ejection.

Danny 05-07-2009 12:47 AM

Fisher should be suspended for a game. Kobe's elbow was just a foul and Artest should have only gotten a technical. And I am a Lakers fan.

molson 05-07-2009 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014148)
Is that worse than getting elbowed in the throat? I can understand a technical for getting in his face, but don't see why it's worth of an ejection.


There was some report out a while ago that the NBA was trying to cut back on the gang/violence/thug stuff. The finger across the throat thing was considered kind of the trademark of that kind of stuff.

Groundhog 05-07-2009 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014145)
I have no fucking idea why the Rockets don't go to Yao every trip down the floor. He's such a huge mismatch for other teams.


I can only assume it's over-coaching.

"Ok guys, we're going to take the ball upcourt and run this play..." etc. Plays that only have Yao as a 2nd or 3rd option.

In reality what they should be saying is "Take the ball up court, pass to the wing, who then feeds Yao, everyone clear out and wait for the open kick-out from Yao if he can't score".

MrBug708 05-07-2009 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2014149)
Fisher should be suspended for a game. Kobe's elbow was just a foul and Artest should have only gotten a technical. And I am a Lakers fan.


Agreed

RainMaker 05-07-2009 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 2014150)
There was some report out a while ago that the NBA was trying to cut back on the gang/violence/thug stuff. The finger across the throat thing was considered kind of the trademark of that kind of stuff.

They are also trying to cut back on elbows to the head area which is why they suspended Dwight Howard. Why do I have a feeling we won't see Kobe suspended?

Neon_Chaos 05-07-2009 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014153)
They are also trying to cut back on elbows to the head area which is why they suspended Dwight Howard. Why do I have a feeling we won't see Kobe suspended?


Kobe won't get suspended because there was no clear wind-up and intent. He might have wanted to deliver that elbow, but it was during a play wherein both Kobe and Artest were fighting for position.

Howard's elbow came after the play and there was a clear wind-up to the swing.


Danny 05-07-2009 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 2014153)
They are also trying to cut back on elbows to the head area which is why they suspended Dwight Howard. Why do I have a feeling we won't see Kobe suspended?


You are as biased against the Lakers and any fan is for them. Kobe's elbow was a foul, but was clearly not worth being suspended.

whomario 05-07-2009 04:28 AM

Just because i donīt want to be just blaming the Refs : To be totally clear, the Lakers were the far better team tonight, highly deserving win for them. Played Yao as good as you can, although i still think that he can be effective if his guards would/could pass the ball. Even tonight he had Gasol pinned on his back within 10-12 feet at least a dozen times ... Plus : Why the hell didnīt they run that Pick and Pop play again that was pretty effective in game 1 ? The guy can pretty consistently hit a good percentage from 18-20 foot, too.
Lakers also got out on the break aggressively (again with help from Houston though, lots of TOs).

But the thing thatīs encouraging for the Rockets : They didnīt get much from their role players again. Kobe wonīt shoot 16-27 every game when heīs basically shooting long jumpers off the dribble against great defense.
That was one of the better shooting games iīve seen in the last couple years, he really has a beautiful stroke from 20 feet.

for the controversial things :

Fisher was the right call imo. Heck, Scola didnīt even flop (never saw it) and flew down like shit

Artest : Dunno about it, but if he did that signature than itīs fine with me.

And Von Wafer just cost himself a lot of money. Heīs found a unique situation with a team that takes any scoring it can get, nowhere will he be more than an 10th man and thereīs better guys for that in terms of style of play. And then he canīt keep his mouth shut ?
Perhaps over-motivated going against his first team ?


btw :

YouTube - Air Rondo (slo-mo version also)

Thatīs like the hardest uncontested dunk iīve seen in a while. Almost a pittyx that he wasnīt challenged :eek:

RainMaker 05-07-2009 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny (Post 2014167)
You are as biased against the Lakers and any fan is for them. Kobe's elbow was a foul, but was clearly not worth being suspended.

I have money on the Lakers and the Cavs to make the finals. I have no bias. I just like watching how the WWE/NBA does its thing.

Neon_Chaos 05-07-2009 04:47 AM

Ok, I'm browsing through the NBA.com videos, they have a locker room interview of Ron Artest after tonight's game...

WTF is Ron Artest talking about... someone from his old neighborhood, playing ball, removing a chair leg, sticking it through someone's heart...

Wow.

whomario 05-07-2009 04:55 AM

One more thing and again itīs homerism towards Battier : Thatīs one tough dude, physichally as well as mentally. Bryant put a total beating on him, taunted him on like every made shot the 2nd half and Battier just continues to do his thing and contest the next shot. And the next.
And will continue to do so in Game 3. And 4. And so on.

And is it just me or is Kobe still a little arrogant punk inside ? Sorry, but taunting Battier ? Itīs not like heīs provoking it in any way on or off the court, on the contrary he respects Bryant and his game a whole lot and says so in every interview. Heck, the guy propably has a 100 page booklet on Bryant in his bag everywhere he goes theese days.

@ Neon_Chaos : You are surprised by that ? Come on, heīs Ron "Crazy Pills" Artest ;)

Danny 05-07-2009 05:02 AM

Kobe is very arrogant. It's part of what makes him such a great player. Still, if he wasn't on my favorite team, I would not root for him.


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