"Donner, party of five?"

And I suspect if the medical facility isn't built before that impending bullmoose hits us then we may be in for a world of hurt!

Yes because people with experience of medicines and whatnot would just strangle him painting a big sign on themselves rather than killing him surreptiously. Or, indeed, not at all.

I for one think the murderer should step forward so we can give them a medal. Who hasn't wanted to throttle a reality star.

Reality star with a sex tape scandal...

Are we certain this isn't a case of autoerotique asphyxiation?

Schmidty was David Carradine?

SciCtr workers: defer to Font
Project: Medical Center
Action: Collect Supplies

I still want a government, but getting a medical center up and running would give us some cushion in keeping people alive--as it appeared that CR and Autumn's assistance wasn't worth much to Schmidty in their current working environment.

That said, let's get our dumb supplies together! (I'm under the impression that they're from our mission.)

The folks that keep pushing us away from government for the past two days should make the short (probably long) list of potential suspects. Especially those that have been using previous game reasons for other facilities first.

Our suspect probably wants us to delay on giving our Sheriff additional abilities. Delaying this selection longer is just enabling further catastrophe.

Wait, I missed this. So brit was contacted by PM by someone who bribed him to help them get a leadership position?

No. Brit said he had the offer to enhance his own vote in order to sabotage the radios or something.

Making it clear that someone ehanced one of their votes somewhere to win a position. The trade-off was that they disabled the communications system.

He was given an opportunity to protect his shady police background by destroying the communications equipment.

Doing so would have removed one vote for him as Sheriff.

He apparently declined.

Or at least that is his story.

So brit's ability was to disable the communications equipment in said scenario?

Someone paint this one by numbers for me, the proposed order of events, with who is doing the deed at each point. I am trying to see how this implicates the leaders, and I can't quite get there with what you guys have given me so far.

We cannot discount the possibility that he is lying, and was given a different opportunity to manipulate the vote if he accepted.

And therefore is pushing suspicion into a completely separate area of the leadership vote.

But I am just speculating. There is no proof beside his admission to receiving an offer.

But the proof that someone did alter the votes in exchange for disabling the communications systems was in DanGarion quoting EF and wondering why he had 7 votes but only 6 were counted for the leader vote on Day 0.

So whether it was britrock or someone else, the communications systems were tampered with in order to enhance someone's leadership vote.

There were only a position or two where the votes didn't add up. Were those positions close? That would seem to be who we should be targeting then.

Well, the communication was broken and there was a weird vote count on DanGarion for leader. So it stands to reason that someone who was up for the vote on day zero tried to give themselves a better chance to win. It doesn't necessarily mean a leader did it though.

Brit claims he was given an offer to disable the communications equipment, but declined. Therefore, as the communications equipment was damaged, we can assume someone took a similar offer.

The only person after the day 0 vote that had a reduction to their votes was DanGarion. Using Brit's information, you would either have to assume that DanGarion was given that same offer, or someone else was given a different version of that offer that allowed them to remove a vote from someone else.

That's about it.

Here's one Chief.

I think it was 24 hours or so before the final vote that he was offered and he lost his voting power in the category he was going after if he did so.

Exactly. If anything, it might implicate DanGarion. Or someone else in the Leader race.

I am not sure how the other leaders would be implicated by that at all.

Another.

Font should have these youngins a gatherin.

I almost think it is counterproductive to try and figure out who is the cause of anything at this point. We have no way of proving it or ridding ourselves of them currently. We should focus on how we are going to make our colony run most effectively and our best option to survive.

See post #712.

Thanks for the post ups, guys. My main point stands. The suspicion of other leaders or players not involved in the leader race is unfounded.

Just based on the information Brit gave us I would assume that the person who sabotaged the communications wanted to be the leader and ended up voting for DanGarion. But once again I don't think this is the point we should be arguing today. We need to focus on survival for now.

I have to disagree. My PI instincts lead me to believe we have been manipulated from the get-go and our suspect wants us to be pointing the finger at the obvious leader candidates. While we can't rule our leader candidates out, I think there is a good argument that this suspect may have had an interest in another area of leadership.

Shoveler looks bad there. He has a vote in the shortened vote list for Dangarion as Leader, and he's the one linked to the extra Doctor vote in that post.

Very good point. Someone that put themselves out for another position, or no position and voted for DanGarion for leader.

I had not considered this.

My No-votes are extra potent.

I agree with you up until the last sentence. I don't see the connection there to other leaders. It could be for the benefit of the stowaway, who has his own goals obviously, and he could be anyone. Or be a part of the individual goals I presume we all received (there is ample evidence for that). There's no reason to think the other leaders are any more or less suspicious than the other non-leader candidates.

For the record, I don't think you're actually someone to target here, or not yet. I just find it curious.

I'm not suggesting that we only look at the leadership roles, I just don't think we can narrow down to the leader candidates.

Well that makes two of us.

I agree we shouldn't rule anyone else out, and shouldn't just focus on crew leader candidates. I was just trying to figure out JAG's suspicion of other leaders in other areas. I don't see how he equates those positions as being more suspicious than anyone else outside of the crew leader candidates.

I should definitely work in the science and research center. I am not sure if I have made this abundantly clear, but I am the best at a combo of science and engineering that we have among us.

Using Zinto's logic about the DanGarion leadership vote:

1. DanGarion sabotaged his own vote to protect his identity.
or...
2. One of our other members is not who they say they are:

a. Scientist: Narcizo, Sharkn20
b. Engineer: Grover, CrimsonFox
c. Doctor: Chief Rum
d. Sheriff: Shoveler

Aptitude testing time.

Unfortunately, I did not have the offer to change a vote. I did have the option of going out to scavenge on my own, but the chance of not coming back at all was too great a risk for me to take.

I have only received normal deadline PMs from EF. No offers to do anything here.

One has to wonder how many other "offers" were out there... I'm starting to not trust anyone around here. To the science center we go boys... Golden, you can come to!

Hey bud... What kind of computer programming were you doing? Any specifics you can share?

You are starting to get werewolf now;)

Change to recommended group... timmae, Raven, GoldenEagle

At least until I obtain some feedback on Shark and Narc.

ha! I'm kinda stuck in my old D&D mode and I am not sure how much the ad lib nature plays here. Having a blast so far though!

I'm also wondering how wise it was for me to divulge that information, same as britrock saying he got an offer to do this or that.

As a new player: is something like that in the general spirit of the game?

EF has confirmed this is accurate. The supplies we are voting on getting was from our mission, not the prior landing mission.

I don't think it is my best interest to share the specifics at this time. I have a reason for going on this mission and those are related to my skills, but that is all I am willing to say at this moment.

Correct

Catching up. Will have vote count updates in about an hour.

The other item that is constantly on my mind is... at any given point anything can be a lie (other than what EF tells us of course). It's the story as a whole that has to add up. Intriguing game... very intriguing.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Yeah, I'm really having fun with this. Hopefully the WW renaissance continues after this game!

I'm not sure. I started out trying to play as if we were in the situation and not realizing that this was going to be a witch hunt. But from what I have seen we use OOC information constantly. Although I'm still not willing share my attributes as that feels wrong. My picture of dog the bounty hunter should be enough of a hint as to where my attributes sit.

I want to emphasize that "supplies" doesn't mean "food". Hopefully there would be food there, but also other things. Schmidty's report mentioned that we had limited medical supplies. I am guessing that we have things like that and probably engineering and research supplies that we dropped. I think it's key to get those things.

I would like a crystal clear answer from our Sheriff: as Sheriff have you been given any actions or abilities you can take that you didn't have previously? Have you been told that there is any way to gain actions, such as investigating or guarding or arresting?

gotta say, this is rather unique in terms of a game where we have a night kill already but no option for a day kill.

i would imagine that the biodome will start providing supplies as of tomorrow, so i dont think food will be an issue after that kicks in, however, we also dont know if the supplies that were dropped include more than just food...i think we need to get our hands on those...could be lots of usable things in there that could help us in different ways than just food

next project: fix communications
current activitiy: collect supply drop

This is the only reason why I feel like Thomkal has been pushing so heavily for us to institute the government.

But I feel like I haven't been able to nail down if he's just guessing that, or has been told something.

as someone who has been in more of these games than i can count, i would say it is perfectly fine to say that you have received some kind of offer...

reason being, it may or may not be true!

the number of flat out lies that have been told about the contents of PMs is pretty much infinite...thats one of the reasons you cannot quote your PM directly, and that all vanilla PMs are the same...games have been won and lost based on people discussing their PMs...what i would say is, as long as you arent quoting directly, and you havent been told you cant say something specific (like our skill numbers), you are OK talking about it.

Thanks sal! Exactly the answer I was looking for.

I still think we can't completely dismiss the idea of fixing the communicators. What if we are missing some important information from back home? It can't be totally useless.

I imagine the communication will be very useful, as it will most likely allow us access to information which can help us find the stowaway.

For once I agree with you on something :) Makes sense our suspect(s) want nothing to do with developing ways of finding them.

Sorry that's what I have Britrock for :)

More rudimentary...

this +1

also for new players who might not know the lingo, "vanilla" in WW means a standard "villager" (in the villager vs wolf sense) role with no powers, which isn't really applicable when there are backstories and skill points :)

Oh crap oh crap oh crap oh crap.

Moose and squirrel?

So.. does that make us want to explore more or less?

It's the Ruskies.

You remember earlier when I mentioned the possibility of needing to build a "security facility"? things like a jail? I asked EF if this was an available building to build, and was told that I would need to get the government created first before those options were possible. Much like what the scientists are no doubt finding out with the research labs now I imagine.

Or, once again, any number of other possible explanations that we can't possibly judge because we don't have enough information.

What feedback are you expecting? I'm at least as good as good a scientist as you are. If I am suspicious for some reason then you're better off keeping me where you can keep an eye on me and judge my scientific ability. If I'm sciencing it up then there's no chance I'm converting or killing someone. Not fantastically bothered but it seems a waste to not have the best scientist in the group not working on sciency things.

post 989

post 1103

Font's call... probably with feedback from sherriff.

My fear was with having the stowaway over in the research center picking us off one by one with no knowledge by the rest of the colonists because we have no government or they are out picking apples or scouting mountain ranges for the next door neighbors who may or not be fire breathing dragons and then ending up with minimal science ability.

so what appears to be a landing craft touching down has me torn on my decisions.

part of me wants to get to our supply drop before anyone else that may be here can steal it, as i still think there will be more than just food there

part of me now wants the government established more quickly in case there are security benefits from some kind of organization/law enforcement arm

and part of me wants to stick to the communications so we can either find out from earth if there is someone here with us, or even better, directly communicate with whomever may have just joined us.

"You think you're tough for eating beans every day? There's half a million scarecrows in Denver who'd give anything for one mouthful of what you got. They've been under siege for about three months. They live on rats and sawdust bread and sometimes... on each other. At night, the pyres for the dead light up the sky. It's medieval." Colonel from Red Dawn...

EF,

I did vote shortly after you opened it last night (at least one other person did too), but I would have had to have change it today since I got confused over what I was voting for. So consider this my official vote:

unvote all
vote government
vote next project

my vote for the next project after govt would be for the medical center-can't put that off any longer

Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for, but hadn't seen it spelled out yet. Yes, then I can see government as important.

I think I would still vote we collect supplies first though, I think we may be hamstrung without those.

We clearly need to send people to investigate what's going on with the other side of that mountain ridge, but right now that just seems too dangerous. I'd rather wait to see what options are available to us after we get our government established. That's up to Font to decide though not myself.

I go back and forth on how important gathering supplies might be. I still think it was worth the health/hunger risk last turn, but now though it might be time even with the bio-dome going online tomorrow.

Speaking of the research labs, is there anything they scientists want to reveal about them yet?

this is a mistake...we should not send anyone anywhere until we are prepared to defend ourselves against whatever comes back

No knowledge yet... we should have them tomorrow but I am waiting for feedback from Font as to who will be going over there. EF states in post #982:

"Day Two Options

fontisian as leader may decide:
- who works on Schmidty
- who works in the science research center (these resources will be pulled away from the colony resources and can begin their own projects on day three)"

The projects will start on Day 3 if we staff the center tomorrow (decide who is going today). If we don't decide then the projects are delayed for another day, I assume. I recommend sending 3 or 4 scientists depending on whether Font feels we need additional bodies to do other stuff. I assume we will find out what projects we can have at our disposal once we get to the center. I have no clue as to what is involved other than what I see above.

I see my name being tossed around to work in the Science Center, but I'd request to be put to work in the BioDome instead, once that is complete. If we're growing food in the BioDome, I think that's the most logical place to put the farmer.

I suppose just in case Font does not show up today, we should all make sure we vote for your recommendations then.

vote for font's choice to staff lab then timmae's if no font

Makes sense. Anyone know how many others are needed for the biodome to function at its peak?

Anyone know staffing for tomorrow?

Biodome - Raven, ???
Research Center - Timmae, Narcizo, SharkN20, GoldenEagle
Supply Gathering - Jag, Britrock, Suicane???
rest to build?

Trying to wrap my arms around the daily tasks of all.

A quick reminder...

Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (AWFUL) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic
Zinto - CEO
Suicane - PHYSICAL (GOOD), retired politician with history of public service
Crimsonfox – SOCIAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD?) , SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE) , automechanic,
timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type"
Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background.
Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility
SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills
GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD?) computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes
Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general
Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (AWFUL) worked in ER
ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor
bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes.
thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), SCIENTIFIC (BELOW AVERAGE)retired Army general. primary concerns safety
shoveler - Private investigator
JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training
Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE) MIT Prof of Engineering
Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), PHYSICAL (AVERAGE) 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space
saldana – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), pHYSICAL (AVERAGE), MEDICAL (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD) city planner
Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BELOW AVERAGE), SOCIAL (BAD)
Schmidty

off for a bit

I'd like to collect supplies, but I think that it's black and white - the supplies are either safe or there is danger involved with that mission.

If the supplies are safe
- waiting one more day won't hurt much.
- we'll be a little hungrier, but the BioDome will be completed tonight and we can quickly recover from hunger.
- but by waiting we can then have a Govt Center or Medical Center up and running. We'll also have the Science Center and BioDome. Giving us 3 buildings towards our research trees.

If the supplies are not safe
- There is almost certainly some danger involved with that mission.
- Without a medical center, we could lose someone either through death or serious injury (taking them out of commission for a few days).

I understand the desire to get the Govt center up and running, but I feel like if we do, then it would be foolish to ignore the Medical Center and begin sending people out to gather supplies.

I say we get the Medical Center up tonight and expedite it's completion.
Tomorrow we focus on the Govt Building and Supply Gathering.

vote
Next Project - Medical Center
Action - Next Project

Cross referencing this list with those who currently have voted against Government as the next build presents one name in common. He happens to have been overseeing schmidty as well.

Chief Rum.

Thom, can you interrogate him?

Chief, I mean no harm... just looking at evidence.

font, in case you wanted my opinion, here is the order I would staff the science building:

Narc for sure, sharkN20 (if a second is desired), Danny (if a third is desired).

Probably the first two would be my pick. Danny has skills in engineering too which could be useful elsewhere. I wouldn't pick anyone else because the research building says it adds the average of the staff working there and that way you're using the top science people to generate that score...assuming they have been forthright with their ability scores.