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I felt I needed to take back my mantle of Cuthbert poster with authority.

DAY 2 VOTING RECORD


(652) Danny vote Chief – Chief 1
(754) Clap vote Pass – Chief 1, Pass 1
(775) Pass vote Clap – Chief 1, Pass 1, Clap 1
(781) nfg vote Clap – Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1
(867) path vote PB - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1
(881) Brian vote Telle - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1
(919) autumn vote nfg - Clap 2, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(923) DT vote Clap - Clap 3, Chief 1, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(924) EF vote Chief - Clap 3, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(935) Alan vote Clap - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1
(947) saldana vote Jackal - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1. nfg 1, Jackal 1
(948) UNVOTE autumn off nfg - Clap 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1
(948) autumn vote Clap - Clap 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1
(949) king vote nfg - Clap 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(951) telle vote Chief - Clap 5, Chief 3, Pass 1, PB 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(956) Schmidty vote PB - Clap 5, Chief 3, PB 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(960) Jackal vote PB - Clap 5, Chief 3, PB 3, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(966) UNVOTE Danny off Chief - Clap 5, PB 3, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(966) Danny vote PB - Clap 5, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(967) PB vote Clap - Clap 6, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(969) Chief vote Clap - Clap 7, PB 4, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(991) ntn vote PB - Clap 7, PB 5, Chief 2, Pass 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(993) UNVOTE Clap off Pass - Clap 7, PB 5, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(993) Clap vote PB - Clap 7, PB 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1004) UNVOTE Pass off Clap - Clap 6, PB 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1030) Thomkal vote PB - PB 7, Clap 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1034) henry vote PB - PB 8, Clap 6, Chief 2, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1040) UNVOTE EF off Chief - PB 8, Clap 6, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1040) EF vote Clap - PB 8, Clap 7, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg 1
(1046) Pass vote Clap - PB 8, Clap 8, Chief 1, Telle 1, Jackal 1, nfg

yay for "enhanced interrogation" - sorry we won't hear for BrianD for a while now as a result of that, but I learned that we can trust him.

that pic is so hot. one of my sister's friends stole my copy of that movie...damn...i really could use to mmm...watch it.

okayyyyy...some VERY interesting info has just been brought to my attention

please divulge

Now we're heating up. In more ways than one.

So you're vouching for BrianD's allegiance, DT?

What is "repeat voters"? You mean, people whose votes were on the lynch candidate both days?

for BrianD's and against yours. Not sure why you'd send someone a PM claiming that I asked them to tell you their role (not at all true).

I will follow DT again:

Vote Autumn

sorry you can't talk or anything Brian. I had suspicions about you and wanted to check them out - I apologize.

Hmmm, well I''ll get this in now and then see as things develop

Vote Autumn

Ah, well let's not have another clapfest.

That is not what I told him. When I get my PM abilities back I can explain that to you or if you wish I can divulge it here.

Really? Is this in the "no doubt about it" sorta way?

If so, way to go, Jack!

I will ignore the past two days of crappy results and think positive. ;)

VOTE AUTUMN

Regarding Clap, I really don't understand why villagers react and go about things the way he did. I felt is a decent chance he was just being crazy Clap, but it's really not helpful when you are on the block.

Interesting and highly co-incidental.

DT check your PM box

i'd be interested to hear it via PM when you get those abilities back, but i'm not sure how he could have misinterperted it at all or anything.

vote Autumn

Well done Jack.

no king - that did not occur at all.

dola: Of course we end up 0 for 3 we may not want to PM you anymore. ;)

DT seems very sure after his "enhanced interrogation" and one thing about 24 I know is that Jack knows how to get his information.

Vote Autumn

DT, you can now see why I don't have any PMs left. Just make sure you don't hit any super early lynch deadline before I can get back to you.

No guys, BrianD didn't have any information on me. This is a separate issue.

not sure what you can say autumn - i never gave you any "permission" or "okay" to PM people and leverage my name to try to get their roles. that's pretty damn wolfish if you ask me.

very true. separate issue. just occurred basically at the same time.

I was already on this boat after Autumn quickly jumped on me...so did kingfc22 to be totally honest.......

VOTE AUTUMN

@king - that sounds like not a bad idea, but i'd wait until we get closer to the time something might happen

I've actually been thinking autumn was a bit suspicious since yesterday and there is somebody that can vouch this for me.

I wanted to see who if anybody, would join in and maybe create a run on you. Which could have led us to more suspects.

@Path - Doubt it.

It's on the list to be done. I had been thinking about it since the beginning actually. But it matches up so far powers-wise hmm?

King...you may be telling the truth. I am not personally down with making runs on people to get more suspects. I would rather vote for the most probable and get suspects out of that. Of course the last two days that has led us to villagers. Of course if you create a run on me it is one more villager, so neither of us have a proven plan yet.

and PS - giving me "code words" to answer in thread is a great idea folks. saves my PM's so i can answer your questions.

be back in a little..would like vote count from someone less lazy than me. Thanks!

CAN WE PLEASE NOT LYNCH ANYONE RIGHT THIS SECOND!!!!

Jesus, people. Can we see what develops and at least hear what the guy has to say???

WHERE'S THE BOMB???!?!?!?!?!?

Wait, so if it's not a scan thing, why are we voting for Autumn again? I was figuring this was some sort of WW mechanic, a lockdown sure bet. Is this another judgment call?

Somebody take their vote off of Autumn. If the conspiracy sees something going on here they might pull a quick kill to get a ratio.

i am willing to hear what he has to say (and there are other candidates), but I'm not sure what sort of excuse I could possibly buy for it. Especially given multiple instances.

path, you're right. If we all pile on right now, we might lynch before we're ready. I have time, I'll be around tonight. So for now...

UNVOTE AUTUMN

Dola, I'm not vouching for him or not, but if he has some sort of alibi we don't need to lose another good guy.

Are you able to elaborate on what you're talking about without giving away other confidences or putting anyone else at risk?

Apparently there was some contradiction of PM's and DT says Autumn PM'ed players to get roles saying DT wanted him to.

I guess I will wait and see how this develops.

unvote Autumn

While CR and I did, we didn't have near the votes to lynch Autumn, remember the 40% is for later, right now we probably need damn near 100%

Hmm...

Autumn? Explanatiolo?

that's basically what happened. multiple people have PM'd me saying "autumn sent me a PM saying i should tell him my role because DaddyTorgo wants to build a CoT"

and let me make that clear - i would never ask ANYBODY to tell their role to a third-party, and i would check with both parties before hooking two people up unless i am 110% sure that both parties are not conspiracy members.

If he was PMing players saying DT said to give up their roles, when DT didn't, that sounds suspicious to me. Though I do want to hear the explanation for it. I'll still keep my vote on Autumn, for now, based on what DT said.

DT, PM is sent. I will be on for a while to answer questions. Thanks guys for pulling back. Regardless what you end up thinking about me, a quick lynch over PM issues again would be bad.

autumn would rather PM me an explanation first i think as it may involve role-specific details, so we will wait until that time.

did autumn send you any PM's chief?

DT some more specifics would be nice before jumping on this bandwagon.

Hmm, okay, now I am really curious to see what Autumn says. Thanks, DT, I see what you mean.

Well, if we're going to hash it out in here I'll let it be known that the request A) had something to do with my ability and B) was not worded that DT was requesting that I do that. It was a way to confirm some info to pass to DT.

Hmm, that is pretty damning if it was multiple people. I'm putting my vote back.

Vote Autumn

@9:52 - "A"

No, no word. Of course, I have only actually talked with one person. I think everyone figures (correctly for the most part) that I ain't around to chat anyway.

DT, out of curiosity, was the info he wanted just the name of the person or was it full role info?

@henry - that is INCORRECT

he says it was role, and they both said that too

Ok, I'm leaving my vote where it is now unless something really changes.

By role I mean role, as in character. That is all I asked for and all I got.

Right. Repeat votes from that post.

nfg & king - did he just want your names, or did he want info about your roles?

Just name.

Damn, just read through that mass of posts, I didn't think I was going to miss that much action. Curious.

hmmm

I'll wait to hear further info before throwing out a vote, as no more are necessary at the moment.

that's much less incriminatory then i expected given the traditional definition of role...i must ponder. for now

UNVOTE AUTUMN

Geez. What was I, chopped liver? I didn't get a message.

Seriously, I'm getting lonely and paranoid over here.

I have no idea how many votes are on me right now, but let's please avoid an insta-lynch, at least until DT digests the info from me. I'm not a terribly important villager but you would be kicking yourselves in the ass if you managed to lynch two villagers in three hours. Let's save the gangpiles for scanned wolves.

nfg & king - is this correct?:

I'm sure that nfg and now king PMed you asking if you had told me to ask them about their roles. Clearly you didn't.

I also didn't state that you did. I told both of them that if they told me their role I could confirm that with you.

I only get four, guys, sorry, and DT got two of them. I think I can safely say I won't be trying that particular information gathering tactic again lol

lol...the terminology still doesn't make any sense to me. What's repeated?

I'll assume you mean that these are the guys who voted for known villagers.

I explained both of my votes at the time, but I can regurgitate. I basically admitted on Day One I didn't have time to do more than scan the thread, and I had to go, so it had to be a quick vote. I felt that ntn was targeted for essentially metagame reasons, and I knew PB was on a cross-country trip and that might have been hampering his participation. So I went with a third party candidate, KWhit. My vote was #2 on him at the time, I believe. Almopst immediately after, DT came out and supported that vote and then voted for him himself, which led to a landslide--after I was already out of the thread and gone. I was as surprised as anyone to return and find my vote candidate actually got the lynch, when he was some 5-6 votes behind the leaders at the time.

Today's vote was pure self-preservation. I know I'm not bad, so my lynch is bad. Ergo, vote for the leader (especially since I was leaving again for a while).

Chief - did you get a PM from autumn?

As of 1171:

Autumn: PB (1116, 9:31 pm) EF(1124 9:38) ISiddiqui (1127 9:40) nfg (1132 9:42 pm) Danny (1157 9:58 pm)

Autumn, can you verify that you asked Danny the same thing. If not, then this post sticks out as suspicious to me.


My trust level in nfg has dipped a little since it seems as if he is the one that started this whole mess.

Yes, that's what I mean. I meant the list of people from the post above mine that had replicated the first two days of lynch voting, and the 5 people in those two votes that voted for the known villagers both days. Sorry for confusion.

You have 5 votes right now, so we aren't in an instant kill situation. I guess I could un-vote again, but it's kind of like I am doing the...

You put your Autumn vote in, you put your Autumn vote out, you put your Autumn vote in and you post it all about, you do the vote for Autumn and you send DT a PM, that's what it's all about!

Unvote Autumn

I did not PM Danny at all.

unvote Autumn

Jack, what are you doing to us?

building a CoT

Huh? Autumn has not sent me a PM. I was asking DT is Autumn requested role or name info as that makes a big difference as I could see a villager wanting to know the names of people (as it would pertain to abilities we already know such as Clap's), but I think a circumstance in which a villager would be requesting full role info is unlikely.

EF - did you get a PM from autumn?

No.

exactly.

may just be a terminology mixup honestly.

thanks Chief.

Oh for crying out loud... :D

I think we need to go bck and look at day one and two votes and see what we can learn. We haven't been doing too well basing things off PM's.

Right now I am going to step away from this and fire up an IL-2 to shoot down some Nazis. Maybe one of them will talk. ;)

did you get a PM from autumn?

Nope

lol okay

I had wanted to go through the vote history but I think I've spent too much time in the thread already this evening. I'll be here doing some work though.

you're ok in my book autumn

I find it too much of a coincidence that you would know the actual request asked (which was PM back your name and that is all) without receiving it from Autumn. That is why I asked Autumn to confirm or deny if a PM was sent to you.

When I sent a PM to DT, I did not divulge what was asked of me.

DT - what type of wording did nfg use when alerting you of his PM from Autumn.

I didn't know the request asked, that's why I asked DT. It was an important piece of information that needed clarifying

well that was an interesting couple hours of posts to catch up on. I hope whatever the heck happened through all that was a help to you DT. I'm off to bed now.

I told DT what was asked of me and that Autumn came representing him. The words used were "I have the ability to confirm roles. If you send me your role I can confirm it and send that information to DT. I am doing this so we can help DT build a circle of trust. It was not exactly said that DT authorized this but it was heavily implied...

Quotes are circle of trust....

after rather....
Non-editing sucks....