I actualy don't believe that theory at all, I was more using BK's logic against himself.

I'm not ignoring your opinion from earlier Alan - but in my present condition, a vote for Lathum is the best vote that I can make.

I still believe that Kwhit's line of thinking bears exploring - if i can convince others of that and we can explore it via voting lathum off that's great - if not...a vote for lathum is still the best vote that i can make.

My guess, since we didn't have a lynch on day 1 people feel a bit lost, I know I do. I don't really feel there is anything to go on with anyone. I don't want to spread the votes out, but these folks seem very much UTR to me, granted this is only my second game so I don't know the usual play style for these folks, or their work schedules etc.

Folks UTR:
Render
Clap (trying to be UTR)
SnDvls
Saldana
EagleFan
GoldenEagle

It wouldn't be the best strategy to just take them out going down the list, but it would be nice to know their roles in the game.

I have about an hour before I have to leave for work, I'll have a vote in before then.

I am trying to be UTR you are right :) cuz im sick of getting lynched early, so im TRYING to only say stuff when I have somethign to say

Who would you list as the next 'big 3' vets that hoops would most likely select for at least 1 (if not 2) of the wolves?

In a list of 6, I'd think there almost has to be at least 1 wolf.

I'm really not a fan of this sort of thing becaue IMO it comes off a little elitist, but to answer your question.

Saldana
CR
SNDVLS

with Olie, Render and GE not far behind

If BK is pinging you, then why would you vote for EagleFan? Wouldn't you just go ahead and vote for Barkeep. This is a very strange vote and your actions are a bit weird.

i'd say myself, sndvls, and chief rum

leaving me off the list?? that hurts my feelings!! :rant:

both DT's and Lathum's lists are probally very fair lists of people.

good point!

I don't believe for one second that DT is the BG but UNLIKE BK voting for me I am not going to risk losing a valuable role by pushing the issue.

My vote on BK is based on the fact that despite the possibility I am the real seer he is pushing to vote me and thats not like him.

aaaah - but the crafty hooper may be like 14th level analysis and have picked all newbs along with someone like clap who's newbish to us, to guide them...he's a sick sick man

Me????? I'm shocked...and flattered! I don't consider myself a horrible player, but I don't consider myself a good player either, hopefully this means that when you see me signed up for a game you don't say "Oh damn, Olie is playing again...she sucks" :)

haha

i forgot to put DT in there.

if there was a most improved player you would get my vote and it's not even close.

BTW, wheres sea lion? did he not enjoy WW?

As I said before with no lynch yesterday I don't think we have too much to go on as far as wolves, though we did find out at least 2 of our roled villagers, but then again, the wolves also found them out too :(

I don't want to have another tied vote, so my vote is

VOTE BARKEEP

not at all, we learn much less from a runaway.

You're more distrustful of BK than Lathum?

Votes as of post 1118:

6 - Barkeep - Lathum (1052), PackerFanatic (1068), oliegirl (1072), mccollins (1079), Telle (1080), Mrs. Schmidty (1118)
3 - EagleFan - Chief Rum (1000), SnDvls (1069), claphasma (1084)
3 - Lathum - Danny (1015), Barkeep (1040), DaddyTorgo (1089)
2 - Chief Rum - LoneStarGirl (939), Render (1038)
1 - oliegirl - EagleFan (943)
1 - Mrs. Schmidty - Passacaglia (1035)
1 - saldana - Alan T (1044)

this list amuses me, at least the fact that I am on it anyway, considering I have more posts in the thread than your husband:p

you should have been around when i used to have single digit post numbers on day 3

Here are my people of interest at this time:

Passacaglia
mccollins
Chief Rum
SnDvls
Telle

Why were you more willing to vote for the potential seer yesterday than today?

OK, so who do you all think I should scan today since my scanning of Telle wasn't well received

No, it's not that, but to push Lathum I again am responsible for causing a tie, or at least getting it close. I really don't want another no lynch. It's lame I know, but I believed Lathum day 1, or at least wanted to give him a couple days to find out if he's the real seer or not.

To nab a wolf.

LOL I forgot he was even playing, what does that say? :lol:

your really coming across as having an agenda

Yes. Lathum isn't high on my trust list.. but there is the possibility that he is the real seer. So for the moment I'm reluctantly putting him on the back burner.

Also, how do we check post counts? I was just going by who seemed UTR to me.

Awww, thanks Lathum! But if you turn out to be a wolf, I'm going to figure you are lying about this too! ;) I've really really enjoyed playing and hope that I get to have "real" roles in more games - I've been the seer a few times, and the BG once or twice, but I've never been the Duke and only been a wolf once.

He liked it, he felt overwhelmed, it turned out to be a pretty involved game so I think he was in over his head. At first he said he wouldn't play again, but now he's wanting me to talk about the games and is saying he'll try it again sometime when there is a more simple game. He was going to play in the basic game that was just held, but had a lot going on with school and work so it was a bad time.

off to my meeting in a little. my night orders are in. i won't be back probably till i get home from work (meeting till 4 plus potentially drinks after)

I kinda did this myself in my head...if I were picking for the wolves whom would I pick.

I'd lean towards 1 vet type player to lead them, 1-2 advanced/yet not as well known players and 1-2 totally new/UTR players.

My thinking is that in most games the other vets quickly distrust eachother and those with roles will go after them 1st which is usually par for the course. (ie a seer scans someone like Barkeep on night 1 or a spy looks at Alan).

But then with AE drafting the villagers it can really get murky too.

Since you are so distrusting of DT in a potentially harmful way, I don't understand why you wouldn't use your supposed ability to try to remove doubt for yourself among people that you are eager to push for...

Likewise I can understand why you wouldn't have scanned DT yesterday (assuming he would be dead), but if that is the case, I'm not quite sure why you wouldn't have scanned BK to try to clear that up in your head instead.

I don't know if I'm going to be interested in joining you on a vote for anyone that you've pushed for multiple days, but chose not to try to clear up their allegiance in your own head at least.

you are WAY to smart a player to not realize at some point if he is lying it will come out one way or the other so there is no reason for the BG to reveal.

Honestly you would be getting my vote today if I wasn't in danger.

dola

and when i say orders i mean "my order + a conditional in case that person gets lynched"

Go back to the WW forum, and click the total post count on the right of this thread.

My post was actually directed to Telle. I found it odd that she voted BK over Lathum, when she voted Lathum yesterday.

Thanks! :)

i am not sold on any of the candidates...my first choice would have been Chief Rum, but since he is not going to win the race, i am gonna make the safe play

vote alan t

I think Alan's move yesterday gave us the chance to take a step back and breathe for a moment. At that point part of me went "Wow, maybe we DID have two roled players on the block." So, I'm willing to put my doubts about Lathum's reveal to the side for now and look at other candidates.

What's my agenda? Don't YOU find it odd that Telle voted for you yesterday, but now prefers to vote BK?

I fully agree. I've learned over the past few games that it's better to keep it close even if it means not listening to your gut for the moment.

Didn't that possibility exist yesterday?

i agree with this....(i am sure everyone is suprised)...i dont remember Pass being so aggressive or so defensive, but i figured he may have changed tack a bit since the last time I played with him

Is it not pretty much a known fact he is the duke (making him a villager)? Why would you vote for a villager?

I wouldn't say that -- it's not like I'm in the Top 6 (or 7) or anything! :p

to keep a wolf kill out of the equation for him is my guess

However, your vote for Lathum yesterday was placed before DT made his reveal. So whether or not TWO roled villagers were involved should not have been part of your thinking. I'll have to go back and verify this.

Of course. But after a day's reflection my mental odds ratio of probable wolf versus probable seer has adjusted slightly so I'm now willing to wait a little before pursuing him further.

huh? safe play? :confused:

you are trying aweful hard to get me lynched.

and I don't find it that odd, alot of people have changed their votes from yesterday ( Including you) so why call Telle out on it?

seems somewhat hypocritical

I would also add Pass here too FYI

Well the good news is if I feel that I don't like his move I can always take care of him personally :)

What Sndvls may be correct.. or on the other hand Saldana might be going to second level thinking and trying to play off to my better senses to prevent himself from being a duke victim at some point.

Aww... if it makes you feel better, you were in my top 6 - but that's because I've played with you and not some of these others!!

I'll say I think it's definitely wrong to gloss over you!

Actually, I'm accusing Telle of trying to get the seer lynched. You were the one who accused her of placing a vote on you that killed her, but now that it's going to be harder, she's not interested.

I said, it was AFTER Alan's move that I had those thoughts. When I voted for Lathum and through the deadline I was fairly certain that he was lying through his teeth. When Alan nixed the lynch I took a moment to reflect and realized that he might just have saved us all from screwing up big time. So as I've now said numerous times, I in no way fully trust Lathum but for the time being at least I'm not going to pursue him as a vote candidate.

Replace 'killed her' with 'almost killed you' please -- thanks.

i should have included Pass.

I understand the move IF he has an important role and thus he can only be killed by one wolf, but it's not a teammate move in my book, maybe because I wished I would have thought of it to take the easy way out today :)

Pass- you are dodging the question that don't you think it is hypocritical that you changed your vote from yesterday but are calling out Telle for doing the same thing.

Well I personally made the move I did yesterday because I knew my vote didn't have any impact on the lynch. I think to take that move today over an hour before the deadline when every vote does matter (both in voting history as well as to lynch someone) seems like the ultimate throw away vote. I already have been looking to lynch Saldana, I don't think I like his move today any further as it doesn't provide any voting history for him at all (other than any other throw away vote).

I am hoping that tonight's kill will give us more information. I have my suspicions on just about everyone. But my past experience in WW has taught me to not to trust my gut feelings, as 99% of the time I am wrong.

There is just not a ton of information available. But like I said, I have a feeling tonight's kill will give us some info.

Since Lathum has pressed me on it, I've come out with my opinion on it. I don't buy this -- you voted for Lathum 3 and a half hours before deadline, which gave you plenty of time to change your mind. I don't see how Alan's move should really affect your thinking on this -- it took that for you to not want to get the seer?

UNVOTE MRS. SCHMIDTY
VOTE TELLE

limiting the number of people who can kill me....alan is the only known quantitiy...if one accepts DT as the bodyguard, which i don't 100% buy, then i am still only able to be killed by the cunning wolf

same reason alan voted for himself yesterday, and why he is leaving his vote on me today....if he dies, then it was either the cunning wolf, or me...giving the village a legitimate, albeit wrong, lynch candidate the next day.

So out of curiosity, what is YOUR reason for voting for Lathum yesterday and not today? Hmmmm?

I don't see a play to determine the next lynch via who was killed as a great play at all until the cunning wolf has been found and killed. Until then that feels more like a wolf ploy to get us chasing ourselves in circles more than anything else.

Once the cunning wolf has been killed, by all means this will be an important discussion to have.

Sorry, didn't mean to dodge it. I can see why you'd think that -- my reasoning was a bit different from Telle's. She just outright didn't believe you, while I just believed DT more (mine was after DT's reveal, Telle's was before). Plus, I was also angling for a tie, and hoping the masons would give us no lynch.

rest assured that if my vote is needed it will go to one of the people on the block...you know damn well that I would not allow there to be a no lynch [/end subtle dig]

DT revealed as the bodyguard. Much better reasoning than your "I'm not getting a wolfy vibe from DT."

this is pretty strong, considering your vote is on me...what makes your throwaway better than my throwaway?

anyone got a count

although i stand by my original plan, the IT department just called me and are coming over to disconnect my computer, so I have to get offline.

unvote alan t
vote chief rum

:popcorn:

So it would be better to just do what everyone else is doing? "Everyone's voting for DT, I should join in! Looks like fun!". I didn't believe Lathum's reveal, and I still have my doubts but I think Alan did a good thing in giving us some breathing room to reflect on our thoughts about the two reveals.

My "throwaway" occurred before the other candidates picked up steam and accompanied with thoughts on why I felt you would be a good vote today. No one else evidently agreed with me. Now if you would like to provide the same logic, then perhaps I won't call it a throw away :)

I'm heading out to the pool for a couple of hours, I hate checking the board on my blackberry, it's really slow and looks weird, so I won't be back until after deadline.

I can understand that (your last sentence, that is -- I don't know what you're talking about in the first two sentences). What is it today, then, that makes BK more distrustful to you?

but unless you change your vote then it is a throwaway

The first two sentences have to do with why I didn't vote for DT. Basically I didn't have a reason to vote for him.

I'd say I still distrust Lathum more than BK, but for the time being I'm willing to wait on Lathum to see how this whole seer thing pans out. So then it comes down to Barkeep versus the other candidates.. and I feel more negative about him than any of the others. Mainly this is because I'm used to him giving really good in-depth analysis and I've seen very little this game. But I also don't know if he's changed his MO since I stopped playing last fall so I could be totally off base here.

Telle, this post (1080) tells me otherwise.

Then I guess you should weigh that appropriately when considering if you think I am good or bad I guess, since that is where we view how to rate throwaways. If it's enough for you to feel I'm evil then go ahead and try to push for my lynch.

Eh.. I should have qualified that with saying something about how I was reserving me doubts about Lathum. Basically it comes down to
"doubt of Barkeep" > ("doubt of lathum" - "potentiality for Lathum being a seer")

So today you're taking the potentiality for Lathum being a seer into account, but yesterday, you had no reason to vote DT (according to post 1182) -- so you weren't taking the potentiality for Lathum being a seer into account then?

Yep. Yesterday I felt very certain that Lathum was lying. Now after more reflection I'm not as sure and am willing to wait on him.

So half hour to deadline and no moves to try and save Barkeep and not even many people in the thread.. does this have meaning?

hes gonna be pissed when he gets back?

I am interested in saving Barkeep, but my vote alone will not do it. There is no other viable candidate for a lynch at this point. EagleFan might not be a bad pick. I will either vote for EagleFan or pin my vote onto Alan T for hopefully a little protection.

I just get nervous when there's not movement to save someone. Means we've likely caught a villager.

people alays talk about this, but i dont think ive ever seen the wolves move ot save someone late, unless it was endgame.

Just like I said with Saldana, I'm going to be a bit disappointed in anyone who votes me for that reason. It could cause chaos for everyone to suddenly try to switch votes late onto me for protection, and there is no reason you should be any more protected then anyone else in my eyes.

As I have said already, the whole hub bub about protection so you can't be killed is just way overblown right now. Until the cunning wolf is caught, it is pretty meaningless. Plus if you think about it further, by being consistant with whom you go after for your vote, if something does happen later in the game to you it might provide a road map for your killer..

So if you would rather see BK not killed, then it is your choice to move to EF to try to save him (would make it a 2 vote game), but this voting me stuff is pointless and harmful.

My only reservation about voting for EagleFan is a hint that he made in a previous post. At this point, I don't want to vote for Barkeep or EagleFan as I believe that both of them are likely villagers. Lathum is not a good choice either.

Then how about Chief Rum?

Well Chief Rum has 3 votes also.. You have endless number of choices! :)

What's the hint? I honestly have very little read on either of them.

Ah, I didn't realize CR had 3 votes also. Oh well.

How is it worthless? If I vote for Player X today and he is a wolf, but not the cunning wolf, he can still kill me down the road. Say we get lucky and lynch the cunning wolf today. If I vote for a random player like clap, then I would make myself an easy kill tonight.