Sorry Mister Ardvark...if I'm wrong I'll give you all m'gold.

Vote AE


OOC - AE don't take offense, it's just awfully suspicious, and my offer stands, if you are clean, you got my gold and my back.

Maybe there are more pirates than the usual ratio.

Plus 3 days waitin, means 3 dead treasure hunters, and time is always gonna be on the pirates side...we can't delay and hope for sailors...what good are sailors on land anyways (ooc - NO OFFENSE TO ANY NAVY PERSONNEL)...I think we keep weeding out the bad ones...keep digging the gold ones...and keep kicking back the cold ones...

I'm not one to be downcast, but I think Hoops is dead.

He did dig the second day, I believe king vouched for that. I knew I was probably missing something. Thanks.

I really tire of you calling people names, in character or not.

Vote Qwik

There's no way hoops is dead, or it would be on the first post. At least, I assume it would be.

Well, Path did find a knife. Maybe there are ways for the Pirates to have multiple kills. Got me.

Hrm. So many different things to do...and who can trust anyone? I don't want to cast doubt, because I trust him too, but why does anyone trust Alan T? Is there anything specific he has done that would earn trust?

I'm also apparently a little suspicious to everyone, which I don't mind terribly...it might act as a partial shield from Pirate activity (whenever I've been a bad guy, I like to leave the 'suspicious' ones around, to keep heat off of myself and the rest of the bad guys).

I re-iterate, if there's anything someone can think of that I can do to earn that trust back, I'd be happy to volunteer. At this point, though, I think we have to see what is going to happen. Hoops can't be outside the tent for more than one night on the island, so he's either truly recruiting sailors, he's dead, or he's coming back tomorrow. I'm with Alan in that I don't see a benefit to keeping Ardent out of jail -- he has no gold, and seemingly no items that could help us out. Why not throw him in there? We can scan him, and if he's clean, we'll bail him out later. On top of that, I can't think of anyone else to put in there.

I think that, trust in others or not, we need to at least START to establish a plan. Right now, we're pretty disorganized, and mostly fending for ourselves (at least I have been...). If we want to get that 100 gold together, it's going to be difficult to say the least the way we have been going. I'm going to try a different tactic tomorrow, but at this point I'm not feeling very sure of our chances if we are completely erratic.

To this point, my plan has been to find the yield of as many squares as possible, hoping to find a nice, high-yield square. I know the yield of 5 squares, and have yet to be impressed by any of them. Like I said, I'm going to try something different tomorrow, we'll see if it gives me any better return.

OOC-Okay, if this a true complaint from even just one person, I will stop, this isn't a joke or anything...I will use handles without alteration.

I figure after 3 days his body will turn up.

I'd appreciate it. I already feel like I'm working against the crowd here. Being called names just irritates me, joke or not.

Have a little faith.

Vince I have been using the same strategy and know the total from 6 squares. None of the squares that I have digged in has produced more than 2 GP at a time.

I also agree that we need to formulate a plan or at least get a couple of individuals that can trust each other.

Has anyone used a watch command? If so, would you be willing to say who you watched and what they did?

Someone has. At least, Qwik said he was being watched.

Since I knew I wasn't going to be at the computer much for this game (stupid work schedule), I figured I'd try a different strategy...which is to not really have much of a group strategy. I usually sit here and spit out a stream of my thoughts continually, analyzing anything and everything. This time, with the added twist of having a potentially selfish goal, I've been a little more 'me-first' than in a typical game where I'm usually willing to put myself out there as long as the good guys win. In this game, I've been trying to be a bit more low profile, I haven't bothered with watching anyone, and I haven't bothered with ID-ing anyone who has been in jail (even though both times I have had the gold to do so). I'm pretty sure that a change in my strategy is in order, because it seems like I've gotten more gold in this game than most other people (at least the ones who are talking about it :)), and I really don't have much gold at all. Since we need 100 gold, and I'm guessing our Monopoly is going to end up being something on the order of 4-6 people, we're all going to need about 20 gold to pull this off.

125 might be a lot for the pirates, but remember that they not only get their own gold (which they can pool on one person completely and totally easily, since they can communicate), but they get ALL the gold on the person of anyone they kill. So they also have SnDvls' gold (if he had dug at all yet on day one) and all of Saldana's gold. If they kill someone tomorrow, they also get all of HIS gold.

What I'm trying to figure out is whether or not I should keep up my strategy of mining every square I possibly can until I find something good, or if I should try to get in touch with someone (anyone) via the messaging service (which, in my opinion, has been largely underutilized to this point, unless people just don't want to talk to me :)) to organize something.

Ok, re-reading things, doesn't this quote:


Make it seem like Hoops gets a victory, and he pretty much isn't coming back? Perhaps Ardent misinterpreted the note?

Just for the record, I'm not asking for people to trust me blindly. I don't really have full trust in anyone yet. What I do ask is you listen to my reasons for jailing Ardent, and if you have a better alternative, present it. Right now based on what Ardent says, I don't see any reason not to do my approach.

I know -- like I said, I'm not trying to rouse suspicion, it's just that there are a few of us who seem to have you right up at the top of the list right now (taking Hoops' spot, probably) and I want to keep the discussion flowing. The 'why' of our trust in you might help in building more.

Im guessing its mainly because so far I've been confirmed away from the deaths every day, I pressed hard against Blade, and I've tried to be open with my actions. However I don't fully trust anyone yet, and would expect the same of me from others.

I have found two squares that produced more than 2 gold per dig.

And I also agree that the trick right now is finding which of us is trustworthy. I can think of a group of four or five of us that I would feel pretty good about, but in this game more than most it seems like one bad guess can really hurt....and there very well could be a bad guess in that group. But we're gonna have to get there soon.

Ive been trying to think of how to do this. If we can get a small group of 4-5 who seem trustworthy with enough money to form a monopoly we can try, then 1 of 2 things might happen..

1) Its denied because someone in our ranks is a pirate
2) someone dies and we dont have enough money.

As soon as Barkeep comes in, I will imploy my new strategy. Hopefully, it doesn't backfire.

Vince - where did you get that quote about hoops from?

He got it from barkeep's last post.

Thanks, totally misread that post.

I really hate the 2300-1100 watch.

Has blade really only posted once all day?

VOTE AE

I hope you are not bad, but this will either clear you or we will have our 2nd Pirate in jail.

/shakes head.

You guys don't get it. I should have just kept the letter to myself and let the pirates pick you off one by one.

I'm gong to my hole. I'm quitting this game.

My PM is sent. I'm out of this game. I'd say it's been fun, but it hasn't.

Ok here is what the rest of us are thinking:

1) Something about your day 1 story did not add up.
2) You are a pirate and that's good for the TH that you are in jail.
3) You are a TH and will be cleared which will make you the most trusted since Hoops is gone.
4) We have no evidence against anyone else.

Ugh, why do people even sign up for WW games if they are just going to quit.

Everyone who has played one of these games has been a villager in the cross hairs and there is nothing you can do about it, but to try and make a case against someone else. If it is believable then people change their vote. Right now most of us don't see a better option.

And it's not like other games where you are dead. In this game you are in a perfect spot. The Pirates aren't going to kill you since you are under suspicion. You will be in jail for a single day if the evidence shows you are a TH. If you are revealed as a TH, you will be the most trusted person remaining in the game.

With Saldana's death, I wonder if the pirate with the knife is patrolling the bank square, knowing that eventually a treasure hunter will enter it wanting to go to the bank.

Maybe we can jail hoops and the police will bring him back. :D (for those that think he is being converted)

I've been thinking this for some time now, but did not think it the best thing to post, cause if it were not the case then now it probably is :(

Doh!

However, if the pirate with the knife is camping at the bank then the treasure hunters can now dig safely without ever having to worry about being killed while digging.

Maybe use a hide command when entering the square or after you finish your banking.

For those of you who are TH, you probably should be hitting mountain squares or river/mountain squares. The blank squares and squares close to the hut seem to be low yield.

I'm thinking monopoly is a thing to be thinking about now, as Vince is on that track as well. How do we start to estimate if we have enough gold. How do you guys feel about if someone announces their gold and we watch them each turn to see who tries to kill them? The watcher should be able to keep watching the person each turn, but the person being watched will know it after one turn and attempt to automatically hide. If you state you do not want to hide, maybe you can avoid that. Any thoughts on that?

Regarding the bank, how about we go to the bank together. Apparently you will see whoever else is on that square or in the bank (if you are in a location (Elle's, bank, etc), you know who else was too). That way we can likely see who may be watching the bank.

I don't think you are 100% guaranteed in seeing everyone in the same square as you. Schmidty said he saw me and Vince in the Ellie square but I only saw Schmidty there.

Barkeep said that if you are in a specific location like Elle's, you will know who else was in there too, but not necessarily in the entire square of D3. So if you both go into Elle's you should both get a post that says you saw each other there. Otherwise it is not a given. But, if you and I both move to Elle's square and you are watching me then you will see me for sure. Now if we do not go into Elle's and I get killed while in that square, you should be able to see it happen and see who did it since you were watching me, right?

Do you know where Barkeep mentions being able to someone in a specific location? I can't seem to find it in the rules.

Ugh, the above should say 'see somone'.


I guess it could it work but I would ask Barkeep to see if someone can cancel the automatic hide.

A couple of posts that may assist in some of the current questions or speculation.

Post 122

The original rules state that “A repeated dig may or may not result in more gold, though all digs on a particular square will result in the same amount of gold”. If you hit a different amount on repeated digs, once the amount changes, the next amount should be zero as that is the odd amount. If a square has 16 gold and a rate of 5 per dig. You would get the following 5-5-5-1- then zero if you keep digging and the square is empty for the rest of the game.

post 113

So, if we have someone watching a person and there are multiple people staying in that square, the pirate is probably going to get caught if he tries to kill. Basically trying to kill on your first AP in D4, means everyone is in the same square and can see you. If the target is being watched, that sounds like an automatic witness by the watcher.

post 76 (i think)

This post indicates there is another way to not come back to the hut other than camping, such as going to the Seaport (that was in an auction). This lends credence to AE’s story. Too bad he quit. I wonder what happens to your gold when you quit or maybe AE was out of gold.

Also, if gold is banked and the person who owns the account is killed, but did not have a will, who gets the gold? Obviously it is not on the body for the pirate to take it.

I'm going to be out most of the day and night, so I guess I'll just go the obvious route since he is suspicious and he quit.

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Sorry guys, I hadn't signed in for awhile.

This is the first thing that jumped out at me as well. I'm sorry AE, but your story just doesn't add up. I know you seem to be trying to help us out from your stories, but without proof, I just don't think we can take that chance. At this point, like I posted earlier, we don't really have alot of evidence to go on, and with your Day 1 moves followed by this 'evidence' (which doesn't add up), you are at the top of my suspicion list. I saw that you quit the game, I would urge you to stay around, I know it can be frustrating sometimes, but thats just part of the game.

Dola

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

While barkeep never told me i couldnt talk more, i have assumed jail=keep quiet...and even if i didnt im dont exactly care if the THs are losing the game anymore...do i think lynching you is smart, no...but i didnt think lynching me or voting for raiders was smart

This is copied from the rules post

Evening Cycle:

During the evening players adjourn to the hut provided by Blahoop. Any player who is not at the hut for two consecutive Evening Cycles, will die. As the players will know that some among them are pirates, who will stop at nothing to capture all the gold for themselves even through illicit means, unlike the treasure hunters who would NEVER use illicit means (*wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*).

All players will vote for a player who is to be arrested by the Blahoopian police on suspicion of being a pirate and murderer. The player with the most votes will be arrested and taken to jail. A tie will create confusion among the police (they’re simple island folk after all) and result in no arrest. While a player is in jail they may not vote or communicate with the rest of the players, but may be sprung from jail with a bribe.
No information about a player’s role is revealed when they are jailed. All of that player’s clothing and gold will be stored in the evidence room. Since it is evidence any gold the player is carrying when he is arrested CANNOT be used for bail. However, all property is returned to a player if they are bailed out.

Votes should be the last part of a post and be in bold
end of post from rules

If you want to communicate you are supposted to buy the "if anything should ever happen service" and Barkeep posts it for you.

Yes, I was working under the assumption that the earliest the pirates would kill would be AP 2, since AP 1 would be used by everyone to move from D4. I wonder if we can issue an AP 1: Stay in D4 command?


I would expect the gold disappears/bank takes it.


Since there's nothing else to go on.

VOTE ARDENT

Well, we could move as a team square by square and we could choose to just stay in D4 each turn watching each other. Either way, it makes it near impossible for the pirates to kill without being caught. If we communicate together and determine we have enough gold to achieve monopoly, we can move to the bank as a group and deposit and watch each other. Or we can just sit and watch or whatever other version of that strategy we want. It is a start or an idea to build off.

I couldn't agree more....this taking my ball and going home shit gets very old.

And these long deadlines really drag things down. I really don't know that Ardent is the best choice, but I don't have anything better than a hunch for anyone else at this point, and I really fear the worst with hoops, and frankly, if he wants to quit so bad I might as well help with the tossing.


VOTE ARDENT

This is a very interesting idea. I want to mull it over a little bit. And I agree with what Gram said earlier -- rivers and mountains are whar that gold lies, boys.

Sorry guys, got called in to work a double shift today, and I'm exhausted. 9 hours of waiting tables = not fun. $211 dollars is kind of nice, though.

Anyway, I'm going to go pass out, and I'll catch up in the morning.

Well, I don't know if this is too late or not. I just realized the deadline was 8am, but Barkeep has not posted or closed it yet either. So just in case he will still accept my vote

VOTE ARDENT

For some reason I had thought I voted earlier, but when I looked I had not.

I'm guessing a jungle square will yield more than a blank square as well.

Kind of forgot that 8 AM would be before I woke up :)

In any case, I probably would have voted for Ardent, so it doesn't really matter.

I'm curious -- does anyone have a bank account set up yet? Seems like Saldana had set one up, but then got killed almost immediately after. I'm also curious as to how much gold Qwikshot has -- Saldana willed him everything he had. So far we've come a little farther in the organization/monopoly building direction, but we're still not anywhere near 'coordinated.' I think I'm going to continue to dig tomorrow.

Path -- how was G2 for digging? I'm considering travelling out there some time soon, and was just curious if it was worth my time.

Vince, I established a savings account the second day.

I found gold on day one and day two, but day three the square I went to was tapped out.

How should we handle info like this? If it is very good, we could cause a rush which could make easy pickin' for a pirate, or run out of gold quickly, but if it's bad I'd like to warn my fellow TH's to look elsewhere.

I'd be happy to tell you, but kind of want to throw that issue out there first.

Building on my last post, I'm curious about any results that people have had in jungles -- I haven't visited one yet.

Ok after a bit of thought I'm going to call the game. Full writeup to be forth coming.

Huh?

By the way, I never officially quit. I was trying to fake you all out of voting for me. Kudos for not biting.

Shiver me timbers! Them blasted treasure hunters have thrown all of my maties in Davy Jones' locker!

Arrrh! But we be killing three of 'em, matey! And we ran off we thar gold!

These scurvy wogs are lousy hunters, indeed. Cap'n we be needn' our mercenaries to wipe them all out, we do.

Thens we be feasting in gold. Brother, blade, be cheerful, be gold and women in our future!

The police come in. Many people just lay about apathetically while others point at Ardent. Ardent tries to point to that old coot Qwik, but the police don't care. They take Ardent away.

Shady comes wondering into the hut.

"Ok I think people are a little slow here. I mean you've been jailing people and not one discussion of commerce? Everyone take out your gold now."

When no one really moves, Shady gets irritated, "Listen just take out your gold Blokes. You'll like what you see."

As people do so they soon come to the realization that they have more than enough gold to purchese a monopoly. With great enthuasism, path, Alan T, pennywise, KWhit, Qwikshot, Grammaticus, Taz, king, schmidty, and Vince hand over the 100 GP. They join Hoops in the knowledge that they have "won" and start to think about how they will enjoy the wealth that they will soon take from the island, enough wealth to last them a lifetime... as long as they are smart with it.

I knew there was something fishy about you.

They be so surprised they lost their tungs, cap'n!!! Me parrot be talkin' more than these wogs! Garrr!!

There be somethin' fishy bout you when you walk the plank, wog!!!

King, was that before or after Post #694?

Shady be shady, matey! He be killin' you for yer gold tonight!

Good job guys!

It be after post 1163, cap'n.

I've always said that I'm ok with short games and felt that continuing this one would just be needlessly prolonging the inevitable. While it was possible that no suspicion would be arisen after 1 morning with no kill I figured 2 mornings with no kill would give it away and essentially have wasted people's time, so I called it.

As you might have been able to tell Hoops, Blade, and Ardent were the three pirates. With Hoops having taken the letter and won and Blade and Ardent in jail with no real chance of escape, I thought about continuing the game, but it just didn't make sense. Especially as path, who found the knife which would have turned him into a pirate if he'd kept it, chose to turn it in to the police.

While I did not make a mistake with Ardent's actions (I was SUPER careful about that) I do feel bad that he and Blade didn't fully understand fleet of foot. I thought that both knew about and processed their actions accordingly.

Now that everyone understands the rules I hope that I can run this game again in the not too distant future. I still have several surprises up my sleeve (for instance while Taz got both parts of the clue for the Burried Treasure, it wasn't found) and based on how things played out feel that it is a pretty balanced set of rules. I appreciate everyone playing for the time they put in and hope that even though it was shorter than many games, they still enjoyed it.

Arrr, I felt marooned after Day 1 by the other two sea dogs who put themselves out on the plank for no good reason. Too much rum and those dead men told no tales.

DOLA -- If I ran it again I have a couple things that I would include that I thought of after the game started and would do it on a new map.

The necklace that Path bought would have erased the first 5 votes against him. Obviously as he never had a vote on him this was never discovered.

Hats off to Gram who despite being very quite in the thread ended the game with 37 gold, followed closely by one of the athlete's Alan who got 34.

Bah. Had I known that required a fleet of foot action I wouldn't have done it. I didn't want anyone to know I was a pirate, and I never would have used it. It would have been too easy to catch if I did...and obviously, that happened.

Assuming I was using it when I never mentioned it really screwed me over.

I know and I feel bad. It'll be changed for next game.

Barkeep, I thought the rule set played out very well, although it definitely took some time to get to a level of comfort with them. I think I was getting close to that point by the final day.

I thought Taz played a really good game. Based on his posts, he seemed to grasp the rules and their impact more quickly than many of the players in this game.

No worries. I screwed over The Others in my game as well. ;)

By the way, getting hoops out was my main priority. One pirate win is a pirate win for all...given the circumstances.

I'll post the real letter soon.

I would love to have stayed and seen how long I could stay undercover, but without any immediate prospects for a 2nd pirate I didn't see how I could really stop a monopoly.

I would have liked to see where the voting would have gone in the event that I was still around and Blade/AE had been jailed. I think it would have been a bit of a free-for-all that day.

I really enjoyed this ruleset barkeep, and hope you do run another one like it. So what exactly was going on with hoops? (who had me totally fooled, I thought he was 85% good).

King, post #609 did scare the crap out of me at the time:

I allowed myself to get caught up in thinking that the watches would act like a seer, instead of realizing that this really didn't pose a threat to us. So that is when I started to try and shift to have KWhit do the viewing on Blade instead of Ardent.

I felt like I had been fairly subtle in introducing AE as someone to view Blade (we had not yet decided if he would say pirate or treasure hunter) but after that I was worried that I had outed him. Nope, although he did that with the PM just a few posts later.

It was after you listed me as a 5 or 6 on your trust list. I knew I was playing heavily like a TH and for you to only list me as a 5 or 6 sent alarms ringing.

Then I posted this:
At this point, you were gone so there was no point in pursing this option since AE's day 1 story didn't make sense.

I had 6 gold, but no hopes whatsoever of obtaining 10 and jumping on the boat.

Instead, I killed Desnudo based on his name on the list...and then sat at the bank swinging a knife...which hit saldana. I didn't even bother hiding it.

Had you read the posts, I said I went to the square right below the bank. What's on the way? The bank.

And I didn't realize I had at all. I think I'll be angry about that for the next week.

And I think I kept the taxi cab's in business. :)

Oh, it made sense. Barkeep did mess up by assuming I wanted the fleet move. Had he asked, I would have changed my move to the original PM.

I noticed the next day he took the time to clarify a few moves, Desnudo's in particular (the person I killed).

Path, when we first learned the roles of the pirates we were pretty pumped up for playing this one out. Blade and I have talked a ton in the past about how we would play a game together as "wolves" and Ardent is a guy who has done a solid job on both sides of the game in the past.

But Day 1 was such a disaster for us as we didn't do a good job collectively of understanding the different mechanics of this game. So I tried to isolate myself as much as possible from those two.

When I did the view on Blade I didn't need to spend 4 GP to know what he was. So instead I deposited it in the bank and used my visit to the jail to free him (I was the swashbuckler).

The rest of the game I played as a treasure hunter, just going about my business of finding gold. But I knew we were not going to be able to stop a monopoly, so when Ardent got the letter we decided to have me cash in that chip. We concocted a story together that was intended to move popular opinion away from AE as a pirate. But the problem was that we weren't able to get any movement on an alternative for jailing.

Qwik, I wasn't upset with you, either. I was just trying to sway the voters.

King, fair enough on the rebuttal. Just having some fun, hope you didn't get too annoyed at it.

On the list I published I wasn't sure where I felt like we could put pressure. But I also didn't think it made sense to have a list with everyone as an 8. I had to leave room for people to interpret it after I was gone in a way that might give options besides AE. By coming out so strongly against him I was hoping that people would later think that he was trying to help the TH cause by sending me away as a "known good".

Nothing that we tried this game worked particularly well.

Heck, I couldn't even get compensated for the 4 GP I didn't spend verifying Blade :) Only got one from Path, which I figured I could give back to him since I was out and it would help validate me as a good guy if he viewed Blade.

Not at all.

Woot!

Nice game, Barkeep.

Yeah, I think the complexity of the ruleset combined with Blade being busy enough to not have them straight really helped us -- it was the first time I really felt that I had caught someone out -- and having that be Blade was even better. ;)

Never having had a bad role in one of these though I'm kind of kicking myself for making the knife public......that would have been fun.

You would have been lonely, Path. All by yourself and no real way to stop monopoly. Not the way I would want to be a bad guy for the first time in a game.

Ya, i didnt spend enough time on the rules to properly interpret them. I entirely glossed over the same amount of gold for each dig. Rookie mistake...im impressed you guys caught it. But the second someone noted it my only goal was to clear hoops...i tried to not even mention ardent so there was no link between them or myself, but tried everything in my power to clear hoops without making it look like i was clearing hoops. Up until he "viewed me" i always mentioned him second or third to someone else...that way if you guys ever did think i was trying to clear another pirate you wouldnt get him. Then you all let him view the evidence, and it became straight forward. The ardent slip-up put us deep in the hole, but i took comfort that my death cleared hoops.

I really enjoyed this game... I had to be careful about what I told people I did because if everyone knew my daily actions, I would have been suspected to be a pirate just like AE.

I found the very top right square had 6 gold per turn, and had planned to go back visiting it some more in the near future. :)

For the record, I did use my fleet of foot every turn, it just took me one turn to figure out where the good gold was. :)