Good guys don't generally abduct children at gun point, at least in my experience.

http://www.losttv-forum.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=13457

Great Read.

That's for sure. However, the only difference between Ethan's group and Zeke's group at this point is that Zeke's group had a gun when trying to abduct a child. Is it possible that Zeke's group knows the other group will need to get Walt for some reason, and have taken him to prevent that from happening?

The reason I ask is because Zeke's group has allowed the Oceanic flight survivors to live on the beach without too much trouble (especially if it turns out that Ethan was not one of them). After Jack, Sawyer, and Locke handed over their guns Zeke kept his word and left, rather than just shooting them right there. If we go back to the boat, their actions did seem to suggest they were very bad, but I'm wondering if this due to some necessity that we can't see. Probably not, but I'm not convinced they are completely bad at this point.

All Reuters News
'Lost' cast members find big pay rises

Mon Jan 23, 1:22 AM ET

The cast of ABC's "Lost" has even more to cheer about beyond the show's recent Golden Globe win for best drama series.

"Lost" producer Touchstone Television has offered all original members of the large ensemble cast a substantial salary bump in exchange for an additional year to the actors' current contracts. The studio's pre-emptive offer would see the actors earn almost $80,000 each an episode next season, the show's third, up from a range of about $20,000-$40,000 for most cast members this season.

All original cast members, including Matthew Fox, Evangeline Lilly, Josh Holloway, Naveen Andrews, Dominic Monaghan, Terry O'Quinn, Jorge Garcia, Daniel Dae Kim, Yunjin Kim and Harold Perrineau, have been offered the same deal and are expected to take it. Fox, who plays the pivotal role of Jack, is said to have earned an extra bonus of at least

$250,000.

However, in the spirit of the show where no character is safe from being killed off or otherwise removed from the mysterious island where the series is set, the actors are said to have no guarantees about the length of their tenure on the show.

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Representatives for Touchstone TV and all "Lost" cast members declined comment for this report. ABC and Touchstone are owned by Walt Disney Co.

The substantial raise would put the "Lost" actors on par with what the ladies of ABC's "Desperate Housewives" are now making, industry sources said. The core "Housewives" quartet of Teri Hatcher, Felicity Huffman, Marcia Cross and Eva Longoria, who also started off in the $20,000-$40,000 range, all reportedly received bonuses of $250,000 midway though the show's first season as well as equal salary bumps for Season 2, bringing their per-episode fees to the high-five to low-six figures, depending on each actress' starting salary.

This is understood to be the first salary bump for the "Lost" cast members, who reportedly received a bonus of an extra episode fee between Seasons 1 and 2.

"Lost," which boasts one of the largest casts and the highest production values in primetime, has been a passion project for most of the actors on the show.

When actors sign on to do a network pilot, they are automatically committed to long-term deals that usually run at least five years. It's common industry practice that when a show is a big hit, cast members are rewarded with salary bumps and bonuses beyond the studio's contractual obligations. "Lost" has been the rare combination of a critical and commercial hit for ABC, earning a rabid worldwide following, the Emmy last year for best drama series and the drama series Golden Globe last week.

"Lost" has done very well in DVD sales, finishing 2005 as the second-best-selling TV-DVD with 1.04 million units sold, according to trade publication Home Media Retailing, and it has been the driving force for the 1.5 million downloads of Walt Disney Co.-produced series that Apple's iTunes music store has sold for viewing on iPods since Disney struck its groundbreaking download-on-demand licensing pact with Apple in October.

A new-media spin-off designed for cell phones, "Lost Video Diaries," is slated for launch on Verizon V Cast service this month.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

This episode wasn't that good.


I wonder who would win in a fight between Mr Eko, Jack Bauer, and Chuck Norris.

Charlie sure didn't like this episode.

Charlie needed a bigger ass beating than what he got. The promo for the next episode looks good though. Anyone know how big a layoff we have between this one and the next?

According to Lost-Tv.com the next episode airs in two weeks.

well, that was really gay

Fantastic episode...

Yeah...I thought so, too. It brought an edge to Charlie and an even bigger edge to Locke (did anyone else see him changing the lock on the gun room and think that the episode was about a changing 'Locke', as well?)

Plus, I like the (unintentional?) Beatles reference in the scene with Charlie's dad...
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dola -
What's the thought on Libby and Hurley? As far as I can tell, he couldn't have stepped on her foot when he boarded the plane since his seat was at the front and she was a tailie...what's she hiding?

The tailie husband was supposed to be in front as well.

but dont you have to enter from the back to get to the front when your getting seated?

Every plane I've ever been on has had the entrance at the front...

Every plane for me as well.

Speaking of where you are on the plane...

Charlie...shouldn't he have been a tailie? He came running up from the back and into the bathroom...presumably chased by tailie Cindy and the other flight attendants. The ruckus begins shortly after Charlie locks himself in.

How does Cindy end up in the back of the plane that quickly?

short answer: they didn't know they'd be adding cast members in season 2 when they shot Charlie's scenes.

there is definitely something funky with Libby. That convo with Hurley was just odd and seems to be planting the seeds for some twists and turns. I know there's a lot of speculation that she's another plant from the Others (which would crank the intrigue up quite a bit as she seems to have knowledge of stuff occuring on the plane). That seems a bit to obvious though. Perhaps she just is someone from Hurley's past (Psychiatrist from his hospital?) which is why he is recognizing her.

meh... i'm almost ready to call it quits and just get caught up when the full season is out on DVD. I can't stand this pattern of good episode, lame episode, 13 weeks off, lame episode, 2 weeks off, lame episode, 4 weeks off...

...for me to poop on. I thought this was the worst episode of the season so far.

I think we all needed to see this again.

Yea, my reaction to tonight's episode was "meh". Locke seems to be the one turning towards the dark side if you will.

Agreed. It was a hard watch.

Bad, bad, episode. Did we really need to see Charlie's past with his brother again? Did it offer any other insights into his character other than he values family (which we got from one of the other episodes about him).

While I thought this was a throwaway, useless, episode, I do think it set up Charlie to go to the dark side. He will be completely outcast by the group, and Zeke will show up to offer him refuge. He will, in essence, become an other. I think Locke is not turning to the dark side, but to take conrol of the group.

Agreed with most of the sentiments here. I thoroughly hated that episode. It made me dislike Charlie and even dislike Locke, something I didn't want to do. I think it changes the show a bit for the near term, but not in a good way at all.

Locke was supposed to be, after all, the one who always seemed to understand, willing to listen, in tune with the extraordinary. In this episode, he was short, always annoyed and violent - not like the Locke we've seen before.

Bad, bad episode as far as I'm concerned. It felt like they were trying REALLY hard to manufacture some sort of conflict without really using the character qualities they've already established.

Hurley has a shot with Libby...in bizzaro world.

Girls changing behind your back = hot

Give me the side of a boob and my mechanical work goes into overdrive.

Biggest yawn yet. At least if they generated some real conflict there would be some interest. This episode could have been condensed to six good minutes. And dream sequences are just lame IMO.

One question I had: why didn't Locke just destroy the statues/drugs? Why did he bother to keep them/lock them up?

I think they would be worth keeping for medical purposes. Jack is likely running low on any painkillers, etc...

:D People start injuring themselves on purpose to get a little fix. What? You broke your arm again?

And i'm glad to see him save those if that is the reasoning... IMHO a lot of the survivors have been far too reckless with destroying/disposing of stuff that could be very useful (burning the plane was a prime example).

Other than standing in line at the DPS, last night's episode was the biggest waste of an hour in my life.

This show is quickly jumping the shark for me.

not for me.
last night's episode blew major chunks. but the episode before I thought was the best of the season.

I thought this was the worst episode of the entire series. Not much to advance the overall storyline and a boring (almost painful) backstory to slug through. It is disappointing because the Echo-centered episode the week before was among the best and now we have another hiatus.

I agree, the episode last night was not that great. But I can't expect every episode to be the best ever. It slowed the story up, and not much to it besides some insights on Charlie and his actions.

Only the A-Team had great episodes every time.

Dah-da-da-daaaaaaaaa......
dun-na-na-naaaaaaaaaa

Hiatus? How long? WTF?!?!?!?!


Kiss my ass you gilligan island wannabes!

Do I have to talk about penises to get your attention?

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Those fargin eyesholes.

Roman Maroni?

Damn right you bastage. You fargin corksucker.

Actually, it sped the story up quite a bit. We went through like two or three days in one show... that's a record this season. I've really enjoyed this season, but this was easily the worst/most boring of them all. Not that I don't like Charlie, and I thought the flashback wasn't bad (probably average), but the island was pretty boring, and we never really got an answer for his actions. Normally at the end of a person's episode, we get some reason or something as to why what happened did happen. Didn't feel that way.

i like when the new tailend girl told jack if your hitting it. Referring to Katie

Definitely the weakest episode thus far, but I am not about to claim this show has "jumped the shark" based on one soft episode. It happens. I liked all the Hurely stuff. It was quite funny and well done. I assume that Libby was a psychologist who worked at the hospital Hurley was a patient at.

The Charlie stuff was lame.

Charlie has been possibly my least favorite character (maybe Michael), so as soon as I saw it was going to be a Charlie-centric episode my expectations were dramatically lowered. Perhaps because of that I didn't think it was a horrible episode. It was definitely pretty mediocre, but I think the second season, for the most part, has been pretty mediocre.

Charlie's not my least favorite. He's my 2nd least. CLAIRE is my least favorite. and I hate babies in movies/tv shows. so I was definitely loving that episode.
:rolleyes:

She is definitely in the mix for me. Claire, Charlie and Michael are the weakest of the original group. The total bitch from the tail also sucks.

Ana Lucia?
I have made this determination on her: when she's being the tough bitch, she's as annoying as hell. but when she's being the flirty new girl? ooh la la.

I'm with the anti-Claire camp. Her saying "My Baby!!!" is nearly as annoying as Michael's constant "WALT!!!" Plus, she looks like the third Olsen twin.

Wow!! I thought about that and Claire does look like an Olsen twin! My least fav. characters are: Claire, Michael, Sun(Jin's Wife??)/Jin

So next week they are airing "Numbers" - the episode where Hurley runs off in to the woods after Rousseau.

Wasn't that an episode from last season? Man, they are really killing me here. As much as I love watching the show, they give me twice as many reasons not to want to watch it anymore. I really wonder how long they can continue doing this shit and get away with it.

i hope so. i can't stand jack.

Agreed!!
 

This was easily the worst episode of the series! Charlie's actions were inexplicable, especially since he was not drugging. Locke acted completely out of character! Claire needs to go, and with her baby!! The cast is simply to big!! They (writers) need to kill off a number of characters to make this show more interesting and manageable!

I am losing patience with Lost! The weeks off, the plodding storyline, honestly I do not see how this show will stay as popular as it has been if it has many more episodes like this last one. Perhaps if they approached future seasons like 24 does, waiting until January and running 24 consecutive weeks, then they could get away with the slow story line and ocasional bad episode. Last season was so great and this season is so inconsistent and slowwwwwww. I certainly hope that the story get's advanced, considerably in the coming weeks....

What the hell is wrong with you people? This was far and away the best episode since the first one of the season. John wants that baby, as bait. Those of you not turned on dramaticly by the character development in this episode are just nuts. This is a fucking lynchpin episode in the entire direction of this series.

Sarcasm.....
 

This comment wreaks of sarcasm.....

wreaks or reeks?

things I'm wondering about:

1) Charlie, Claire and the baby:

IMO, the episode explained why Charlie snatched the baby. He wasn't on drugs, he had a Catholic upbringing, watched his brother's marriage breakup over his brother 'dropping' his new daughter while high. He has the dream, which Eko confirms is a sign about baptism. So he tries to do it himself because he lost his real family and doesn't want his new one, with Claire, to fail too.

When Charlie has his dreams of saving Claire's baby, why didn't she remember the psychic who warned her about not going on the flight? I can't remember the exact dire warning he gave her, but it was in the nature of world disaster if she went on the plane. I had the thought he was talking about a Rosemary's Baby type of situation, in which case Charlie saving the baby with baptism would fit in well.

2) Eko and marking the trees

What's that all about? Why does he 'like' them? Is that grove where Charlie started the fire, too?

Actually the psychic made her go on the flight. He even went so far as to buy her plane ticket. His initial warning was that she mustn't let anyone else raise the baby, because she was going to give it up for adoption. Then he made her take this flight to America as there was a family there that the baby would be fine with. Of course, most have assumed that he knew that she would end up on an island where she would be forced to raise the baby herself. Actually isn't one of the stations on the island dedicated to psychic stuff? Maybe that psychic is connected to the island somehow.

Hadn't thought of this. Great idea.

Hellllllllllllls no. I love the way the episode presented what seemed like a sledgehammer of a plot with Charlie and the religious stuff but really, this about Lock and Echo, I loved the subtle undertones involving them. I really feel like this is the jumping point to a big story arch involving these 2. It's like Echo is this years Jack only on a grander scale.

Eko looking at the stumps near the end of the episode made me believe his trees had been destroyed. Their sacrifice did lead to Claire being sufficiently worried enough to baptize the baby and herself, so he is probably alright with it.

As for the psychic, he wanted her on the plane. In one of last seasons episodes Claire came to the belief that he knew it was going to crash.

Thanks to you and timmynausea for refreshing/correcting my memory of the Australian psychic story.

As to Eko and the trees, I think Charlie is going to hear from Eko about this. It might not be punishment, though. Moses and the burning bush is a story that goes with Charlie's dreams of his mom, Claire and the dove, for one thing. The burning bush story in the bible is how God showed Moses that he was destined to lead the Isrealites out of Egypt. Is this burning bush (which did go out, unlike the biblical one) a sign that Charlie or the baby is destined to lead the survivors back to civilization? that could be the point of the Australian psychic.

Ana go bye byes?
 

Maybe she is a method actress.

repeat tonight, right?

Would they try to drag this out any further?

Yes.

Holy repeats, batman!

Not just a repeat, but a repeat 11 months old!

And they said people wouldn't notice.

lol

I'm kind of glad they showed this one. It reminded me about how Locke was interested in what happened to Claire even before the baby was born, and was the beginning of him replacing Charlie as Claire's go-to guy. (I mean, I'd rather they showed a new episode 52 weeks a year, but if I thought this was a good one to show if they were going to show one from last season).

E.R. was on in the background just now. It was the episode where the kid has some rare condition where his organs are flipped around. The dad is freaking out the whole episode. After the kid dies, when they ask to perform an autopsy, he yells "You're not cutting up my son!!"

The dad was played by, you guessed it, Harold Perrineau--Michael from Lost.

Episode 19 - Deus ex Machina

Written by Damen Lindelof & Carlton Cuse

Directed by Robert Mandel

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[Shot of Locke's hand setting up a Mouse Trap game as an employee in a department store. A kid walks up.]

Kid
What's that?

Locke
A game. It's my favorite game, actually. I used to play it with my brother. It's called Mouse Trap.

Kid
How do you play?

Locke
Well, you start with all these parts off the board. And then, one by one, you build the trap - shoe, bucket, tub - piece by piece it all comes together. And then you wait 'til your opponent lands here on the old cheese wheel. And then if you set it up just right, you spring the trap. Go ahead kiddo.


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I continue to contend he is one of the 'Others'

Given what we've seen of his back story, how could you possibly believe that? We know why he was in Australia. We saw him board the plane.

That's not even broaching the subject of his behavior on the island, much of which would make no sense were he one of the "Others".

I think its very likely that Locke has some alterior motives that have not yet been revealed and he may very well turn on the rest of the survivors, but I don't think he's an other proper. We do know he is heavily influenced by the island because it gave him back the ability to walk and we saw an episode where it almost ook the ability away... but we really don't know the extent of that or the lengths he would go for it (although I think he knew Boone would die and was quite willing to sacrifice him for his cause).

Rather than the theory that Locke is an Other (which I don't buy): the question that concerns me more is how Locke lost his ability to walk. I think we're going to discover some sinister depths to him as things progress.

Yeh, I've been waiting for them to reveal that for a while. I think it's the only key piece of backstory from the original cast that we haven't seen yet.

Maybe Locke pretended he could not walk before he got to the island.

Maybe Hurley is only pretending to be morbidly obese.

and Boone and Shannon faked their deaths so they could have more "alone time" together!

I watched Flightplan this weekend. Jodie Foster must've asked Perrineau for tips: "Where is my daughter???"

I still believe he is not who he says he is...

It's not a matter of being "who he says he is". The most I recall him mentioning to anyone on the island of his past is that he sold whatever it was he sold--we learned everything else from the flashbacks. We may find some ironic twist in how he became paralyzed. We may even find that he has had contact with the others while on the island that he hasn't revealed. But there is no way that they would compromise the integrity of the flashbacks in the way you're suggesting.

I liked the Lost promo during the Super Bowl. To Robert Palmer's song, "Addicted to Love" turned into "Addicted to Lost"

Yeah, nothing like using a dead guy to promote your show. I didn't like it.

Problem is that it sounded more like Addicted to Lust the way they had it cut

Well Sawyer just took charge.

Well next week looks like it could be the best of the year.

But i'm sure they'll find a way to dissapoint us.

ok, that was pretty damn cool.

That was a step in the right direction.

Ok, can anyone give me like a 1-2 sentence summary of what lost is?...i keep hearing about it but never saw an ad or a commercial..just know its about random numbers

Good episode! Those are the characters that the episodes should revolve around the most.

I liked this one again. I had kind of gotten hung up on the potential of the Locke-Jack dynamic and had kind of forgotten about Sawyer as a threat. Also, interestingly, I had always kind of foreseen Jack being the more positive of the two, but this episode was the first time that I had considered that Jack could, instead, be the bad guy.

How likely is it that the countdown reaching zero is going to be a dream (like Jin speaking English)?

Plane crash survivors stranded on an extremely mysterious island. Castaway + Lord Of The Flies + Science Fiction.

The 1st season was probably the best season of network TV I've ever seen. This season has been very hit or miss, with most episodes being a miss.

wow, this was the best episode of the year, hands down.

i didnt see a lot of it coming, and the action on the island tied in REALLY well with the backstory for the first time in a long, long time.

i think hurley dropped a big hint, when he said "when are we hearing this music from?"

i still believe the rest of the world ended somehow, in some way...when the numbers hit zero...causing their plane to crash on the island.

? When did he say that?

I agree that it was an excellent episode. The reasons why:

1. Sawyer's backstory was actually interesting, instead of marking time. Jack's backstory a few weeks ago was meh. Charlie's backstory two weeks ago was bleh. Sawyer's backstory had more to do with the episode, so we were left wondering about who was being conned.

2. There were a few really good surprises. I didn't see it coming that he conned everyone. I fell for the Rodriguez chick conning everyone thing, although I thought it was a little too blatant for the show to out and out say that she was trying to get everyone to join the Army. Another good surprise was Charlie's actions, which somewhat make up for the shitty episode two weeks ago. Like above, I think the radio thing will set up a plotline in the future.

3. The episode involved pretty much everyone. It seems as if the past few episodes forgot that this was an ensemble show. The only characters that didn't have a big part in the episode were Ecko, other tailie girl, Rose and Bernard (who were mentioned, but didn't really appear from what I remember).

At the end of the episode.

When Glen Miller started playing, Hurley said the station must be close becasue the music was so clear. Saied corrected him by saying, because of the shortwave and the ionosphere, the signal could be coming from anywhere. Hurley replied "Or Anytime".

Ehh... just another red herring. They're always dropping hints about being in purgatory, etc. I think it's just their way of playing with all the chat room theorists.

I assume that this is from the preview. I'd like to request that if people are discussing anything from a preview, we just note it with *spoiler* before mentioning it. As soon as the preview comes on, I turn the TV off and I know that I am not the only one. There have been several times in this thread where scenes in previews have been discussed with no warning.

I was actually quite disappointed in this episode, as most of the main players were acting against their characters. Charlie as a violent pseudo-kidnapper of Sun? With Sawyer behind it, even though he'd sailed away with the woman's husband, the same guy who helped save his life later? Jack saying "Does it matter?" to why Sun was attacked? Locke NOT noticing that Charlie was following him (esp. if he was nervous about moving the guns), when he'd let Charlie follow him for an hour in an earlier episode and led him in circles?

I understand that narratives rely on conflict and have to generate new and sometimes irrational conflict in order to thrive, but these felt like character missteps to me. I hope there is a solid payoff, but can't say I wasn't disappointed in the new turns.