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Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:06 PM

Looking more and more like something was put in the water in Indiana.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 06:11 PM

GA initial returns not positive. FL appears ready to fully plunge into deep red territory.

Lathum 11-05-2024 06:13 PM

CNN reporting independents in Georgia swung 20 points from +9 in 2020 for Biden to +11 for Trump. If that is the case she is cooked. Call it now.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSyrup
GA initial returns not positive. FL appears ready to fully plunge into deep red territory.


I will not panic.
I will not panic.
I will not panic.
I will not panic.
I will not ...

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3447798)
GA initial returns not positive. FL appears ready to fully plunge into deep red territory.

I'm not seeing that. Georgia votes are actually looking ok right now, but still very early.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:21 PM

Maybe a different source? What are you using to track?

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3447803)
Maybe a different source? What are you using to track?

SOS website, and professional analyst from people who know the state. Like so:


Ksyrup 11-05-2024 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447801)
I'm not seeing that. Georgia votes are actually looking ok right now, but still very early.


Independents swung toward Trump bigly.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 06:24 PM

There are also a number of red counties showing Trump slipping 1-5%.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3447805)
Independents swung toward Trump bigly.

I'm not concerned about exit polls. For the most part the ear;y exits are usually off.

Lathum 11-05-2024 06:26 PM

I just got a very bad feeling...

cuervo72 11-05-2024 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447806)
There are also a number of red counties showing Trump slipping 1-5%.


Yes, this is what ABC just drilled down to. Harris running ahead of Biden in a few counties. Early, but hopeful there.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:27 PM

There are a number of counties with a red shift in Georgia also. It looks unclear to me :confused:

CrimsonFox 11-05-2024 06:28 PM

woopwoop

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3447810)
There are a number of counties with a red shift in Georgia also. It looks unclear to me :confused:

Can you point them out? I'm seeing red counties running under Trumps counts in 2020. I haven't seen a red swing anywhere yet.

Lathum 11-05-2024 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447807)
I'm not concerned about exit polls. For the most part the ear;y exits are usually off.


by 20 points?

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 06:33 PM

Miami Dade numbers are eye-popping.

As far as GA, nearly all the counties reporting votes on that WaPo map have shifted even further red.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447812)
Can you point them out? I'm seeing red counties running under Trumps counts in 2020. I haven't seen a red swing anywhere yet.


On the WaPo map, GA looks like it's getting hit with a bnuch of tornadoes.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg
Can you point them out? I'm seeing red counties running under Trumps counts in 2020. I haven't seen a red swing anywhere yet.


According to the Post site Rainmaker linked there's at least like 15 of them. Some that seem possibly significant:

- Taylor (+45 Trump, +27 in '20)
- Decatur (+29 Trump, +17 in '20)
- Randolph (-1 Trump, -9 in '20)
- Lanier (+50 Trump, +42 in '20)
- McDuffie (+34 Trump, +19 in '20)

and similar.

Solecismic 11-05-2024 06:37 PM

My sense is Georgia is running a little bit toward Harris when using the polls as a basis. I'm seeing about 6,000 total less Trump votes from the counties reporting more than 50% turnout than I had expected.

If that trend continues, Georgia goes down to the wire.

Early, though, and no idea what remains to be counted from the counties reporting a significant number of votes.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:40 PM

The main pattern I see is likely even worse polarization than in '20. Red areas getting more red, blue areas getting more blue. That's something we don't need.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 06:42 PM

There isn't one speck of blue on the FL WaPo map yet. Not even for Harris to gain a point in a 60% Trump county. Even Leon County, the only blue county in the panhandle, is running 5 points behind Biden's pace (still will be blue but ... sheesh).

cuervo72 11-05-2024 06:47 PM

Oh, Florida is long gone. (Some have joked that the state is becoming a “red heat sink”, which, fine by me.)

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:48 PM

Ohio is the opposite. Appears to be blue-shifting similar to Indiana. It would have to be an awfully big shift for it to be competitive though ...

Ghost Econ 11-05-2024 06:52 PM

Every conservative from Ohio moves to South Carolina or Florida once they have kids. Pretty sure there's more Buckeye fans in SC than Gamecock fans.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 06:54 PM

Mark Robinson has lost his governor race. Hard hit to all the Black Nazis out there.

RainMaker 11-05-2024 06:56 PM

In counties that have gotten all votes counted or close, he's running much better than in 2020. Those Liz Cheney voters didn't pan out in the rural areas it seems. Who'd have thought?

Vegas Vic 11-05-2024 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447807)
I'm not concerned about exit polls. For the most part the ear;y exits are usually off.


John Kerry agrees.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3447824)
In counties that have gotten all votes counted or close, he's running much better than in 2020. Those Liz Cheney voters didn't pan out in the rural areas it seems. Who'd have thought?

She never would. Her appeal is in the suburban Republican circle.

larrymcg421 11-05-2024 06:58 PM

PredictIt up to .65 for Trump

RainMaker 11-05-2024 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447826)
She never would. Her appeal is in the suburban Republican circle.



About that.



kingfc22 11-05-2024 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3447820)
Oh, Florida is long gone. (Some have joked that the state is becoming a “red heat sink”, which, fine by me.)


Theory they mentioned on TV is that hard right leaning MAGA folks are flocking to Florida potentially making other states more competitve as the red votes move out and into a singular state like Florida.

Electoral College math

Lathum 11-05-2024 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 3447827)
PredictIt up to .65 for Trump


Robinhood at .67 for Trump.

Feels a lot like 2016

Lathum 11-05-2024 07:08 PM

He's pulling away in Georgia

RainMaker 11-05-2024 07:09 PM

Maybe my call of Harris EV win and Trump popular vote win will come to fruition. The funiest possible outcome.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 07:09 PM

The Panic Is Strong With You.

I'm not there yet. I think there are good and bad signs.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 07:09 PM

If you discount the 8M illegals who regularly vote against Trump in CA, he should be president of the moon!

RainMaker 11-05-2024 07:10 PM

Holy shit he's going to win Miami-Dade :lol:

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 07:11 PM

Yeah, FL is insane,

Lathum 11-05-2024 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3447836)
Holy shit he's going to win Miami-Dade :lol:


+18.

She's cooked

RainMaker 11-05-2024 07:13 PM

Maybe Loudon was an error.



GrantDawg 11-05-2024 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3447839)
Maybe Loudon was an error.



I saw somebody say that was likely.


Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 07:18 PM

Anybody have a link or source to turnout comparisons?

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 07:19 PM

Ohio blue-shift continues. 37% in, Harris is up by 45k (51-49%). Just sayin'.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3447843)
Ohio blue-shift continues. 37% in, Harris is up by 45k (51-49%). Just sayin'.

Heard people say if there was a blue shift in Iowa, then there would be one in Ohio. May be a sign?

kingfc22 11-05-2024 07:23 PM

Feels like the rust belt and NC will be where she needs to win. GA not looking to hot

RainMaker 11-05-2024 07:23 PM

The one maybe bright spot for you in Georgia is that it seems like the early voting is not skewed heavily blue like it was in the past. Seems like election day vote is much bluer.

JonInMiddleGA 11-05-2024 07:24 PM

While I don't count it as a harbinger of the overall, I am most definitely pleased to see Miami-Dade avoiding regression.

I was really quite concerned about that.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3447846)
The one maybe bright spot for you in Georgia is that it seems like the early voting is not skewed heavily blue like it was in the past. Seems like election day vote is much bluer.

And so far only one percent reporting from Gwinnett and Dekalb. Big shift once they report.

RainMaker 11-05-2024 07:28 PM

Seems like it might be tough to compare 2020 to 2024 until counties have fully reported. Republicans seem to be voting early more now and Democrats may not be using VBM as much. COVID sort of made everything weird.


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