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Ksyrup 11-05-2024 03:14 PM

So the GOP should be happy that public schools aren't teaching cursive anymore! Seriously, both of my kids' signatures look like a 5 year old trying to use a pen for the first time.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 03:20 PM

Trump said today this will be his last election regardless of outcome. I will once again say "from his mouth to God's ear."

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 03:23 PM

Stat stolen from another: "he Trump campaign spent $134.38 on anti-trans ads for every single trans person that actually exists"

Thomkal 11-05-2024 03:24 PM

The Capital Police have arrested a man at the Capitol Visitor Center who smelled like fuel and had a torch and flare gun on him-no other details yet.

bhlloy 11-05-2024 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447739)
Trump said today this will be his last election regardless of outcome. I will once again say "from his mouth to God's ear."


This feels like very much a "be careful what you wish for" statement

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 03:30 PM

A Trump appointed Federal judge once threw out a challenge from the GOP of mail in ballots that were accepted by several metro Atlants counties. Note, there were red counties that accepted ballots over the weekend as well, but they only challenged the blue counties. The judge basically read the GP lawyers the riot act. He pointed out that indiscrepancy, while pointing out the clear reading of Georgia law makes accepting mail in ballots over the weekend completely legal. Then he said:
""When a lawyer speaks, this court expects that the lawyer and their clients present nothing more than the truth. Our system of justice demands it. P's counsel missed that mark in this case."


He also said: "Complaint lacked "a basic level of statutory review and reading comprehension."



Lawyers, is it good when a judge says that about your case?

cartman 11-05-2024 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447740)
Stat stolen from another: "he Trump campaign spent $134.38 on anti-trans ads for every single trans person that actually exists"


Cruz is several multiple of this for Texas

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhlloy (Post 3447742)
This feels like very much a "be careful what you wish for" statement


Exactly what I was thinking!

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 03:51 PM

Again, this is why if you can you should vote in person:
Pennsylvania ballot challenges add pressure to election officials : NPR

Arles 11-05-2024 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447740)
Stat stolen from another: "he Trump campaign spent $134.38 on anti-trans ads for every single trans person that actually exists"

There have been a ton here and that ad is one of the worst ads I've ever seen when it comes to human decency. Deplorable

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 04:01 PM

Is that the one that combines immigration and trans surgery? That's the one I remember.

Arles 11-05-2024 04:10 PM

It's the one that says Harris will pay for trans surgery for prisoners and then alludes to the idea that every trans adult is trying to playing against 5th grade girls in basketball. It also makes every trans person appear to be the bearded lady from some kind of circus. It's pretty rough.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 04:11 PM

Yes, that's the one.

cartman 11-05-2024 04:12 PM

the Trump Media stock fell around 15% right before closing, and trading had to be halted on it three separate times.

RainMaker 11-05-2024 04:18 PM

Didn't they try that stuff in 2022 and it failed spectacularly? I guess I get it if you're micro-targeting some closeted members of your base, but I've yet to come across a person in real life who has ever given a shit. That ad has been playing in Illinois too so it must be a national buy of some sort.

I think most of the Harris campaign has been terrible but their ads tying Trump to Musk I thought was very good. Talks about how he is doing this for billionaires and they cut to Musk in a tuxedo a few times. They've been consistent on ads about the economy which I think helps while Trump is doing ads on transgender and immigration.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 04:20 PM

So it begins. The good news is, Trump's people are thinking he is losing Pennsylvania.


This was going to be a post with Trump saying there is massive cheating in Philadelphia, but I suddenly can't get tweets to share.

https://x.com/marceelias/status/1853921743502520373

RainMaker 11-05-2024 04:21 PM

Who called out Wisconsin because you hit the nail on the head!



RainMaker 11-05-2024 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447757)
So it begins. The good news is, Trump's people are thinking he is losing Pennsylvania.

This was going to be a post with Trump saying there is massive cheating in Philadelphia, but I suddenly can't get tweets to share.

x.com


Someone told him that Philly turnout is through the roof according to reports. And wouldn't you know it, the Puerto Rican neighborhoods are leading the way.

It wasn't really in play but it seems like turnout is very high in Florida for Republicans.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3447756)
Didn't they try that stuff in 2022 and it failed spectacularly? I guess I get it if you're micro-targeting some closeted members of your base, but I've yet to come across a person in real life who has ever given a shit. That ad has been playing in Illinois too so it must be a national buy of some sort.

I think it is very targeted. It motivate a very specific type of voter. Once Harris got in, Trump pretty much stopped trying to persuade, and went all in on motivating turn out. Nothing scares old people and men more than trans people.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 04:42 PM

Are we still on the 'high turnout is a great win for democracy' bandwagon no matter who wins?

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3447762)
Are we still on the 'high turnout is a great win for democracy' bandwagon no matter who wins?



Me personally? Yes. I'm against voter suppression whether the voter votes with me or not.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 04:44 PM

This one may be good. Most other exit polls stuff doesn't say much, but if this pans out....

cuervo72 11-05-2024 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447757)
This was going to be a post with Trump saying there is massive cheating in Philadelphia, but I suddenly can't get tweets to share.


A few days ago I noticed that I could no longer share tweets through the quick reply option—the submission would just hang. It works if I go through preview/advanced, because that method checks for humanness. I assume it is trying to verify this for the quick post as well but can’t.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3447765)
A few days ago I noticed that I could no longer share tweets through the quick reply option—the submission would just hang. It works if I go through preview/advanced, because that method checks for humanness. I assume it is trying to verify this for the quick post as well but can’t.

I have had that problem, but this was twitter. It wouldn't give me the embed. It has just been doing that today. I don't know if it is because their hamster is getting tired, or if Musk isn't throttling certain posters.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447763)
Me personally? Yes. I'm against voter suppression whether the voter votes with me or not.


Yep. Another thing that turns me off the GOP these days is the automatic attempt to discount every vote they can, usually in targeted areas they know they will do poorly.

Lathum 11-05-2024 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3447762)
Are we still on the 'high turnout is a great win for democracy' bandwagon no matter who wins?


yes. The more people who vote the more it cancels out the fringes on both sides.

Solecismic 11-05-2024 05:02 PM

Our Senate race has apparently generated twice as much spending as any other Senate race. So it has been non-stop Moreno/Brown ads here, often going back and forth twice in a single commercial break.

Yes, the Republican message is all about immigration and trans people in locker rooms. You'd think they'd switch it up once people had seen the same ad 40-50 times. They don't.

I am confident Moreno has earned the vote of every single person in Ohio who thinks of nothing but locker rooms. He has achieved a perfect score in the locker-room-is-my-number-one-issue metric.

I'm not an expert in campaign strategy by any means, but I would think if you're going to spend $200 million on your campaign, you'd want to tape 20-30 different commercials. And if you can't think of 20-30 reasons why you're the better candidate, find another vocation.

Edward64 11-05-2024 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3447762)
Are we still on the 'high turnout is a great win for democracy' bandwagon no matter who wins?


Yes. But not sure we're going to beat 2020.

Voter turnout in United States presidential elections - Wikipedia
Quote:

2000 - 50.5%
2004 - 55.7%
2008 - 57.1%
2012 - 53.8%
2016 - 54.8%
2020 - 62.8%

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 05:11 PM

Covid required us to make it easier to vote in 2020 and that's why a Democrat won. And why the GOP tries so hard to restrict voting options under the guise of "security."

RainMaker 11-05-2024 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447764)
This one may be good. Most other exit polls stuff doesn't say much, but if this pans out....




Is that election day vote only? Because the gender gap in the early voting was really big in some states. It was like 10% in Michigan.


dubb93 11-05-2024 05:18 PM

Apache County Arizona had voters leave without voting due to the lines due to issues with the machines today. They just said the county went heavy blue in 2020.

JPhillips 11-05-2024 05:23 PM

We get a lot of House commercials here in NY and all of the GOPers are running with protect women's sports arguments.

RainMaker 11-05-2024 05:26 PM

This is a cool site. Shows the shifts in real time per county. Might be a nice gauge. Early results showing a few point swing to Demoxrats in rural counties in Indiana and Kentucky.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elect...ntial-results/

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3447774)
Is that election day vote only? Because the gender gap in the early voting was really big in some states. It was like 10% in Michigan.


Pretty sure these are election day.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 05:30 PM

30 noncredible bomb threats, including 17 in Georgia polling places, all coming from Russian email domains.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 05:34 PM

Early votes coming in from rural Indiana is showing Trump under performing 2020.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 05:38 PM

This is a direct attack on our election:

RainMaker 11-05-2024 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447782)
Early votes coming in from rural Indiana is showing Trump under performing 2020.


Yeah I've been tracking the site and wondering if Indiana counts early votes first or all together. Almost every county has a pretty big shift left.

RainMaker 11-05-2024 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447780)
Pretty sure these are election day.


If that's election day, he's so cooked.

GrantDawg 11-05-2024 05:41 PM

Ummmm...stop getting me excited.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3447778)
This is a cool site. Shows the shifts in real time per county. Might be a nice gauge. Early results showing a few point swing to Demoxrats in rural counties in Indiana and Kentucky.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elect...ntial-results/


Yeah, this is helpful. I live right next to Franklin County, KY. It went Trump by 248 votes in 2020, right now running D+5. I'm hoping to see a similar trend in my county and others around Lexington. Not that it's going to matter for KY, but maybe a harbinger of a larger trend which might matter elsewhere.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg
Ummmm...stop getting me excited.


Election's over then, Harris is president-elect, /thread.

dubb93 11-05-2024 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3447786)
Ummmm...stop getting me excited.


Hamilton county is rapidly developing. I’d wonder how much the demos have changed in four years.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 05:56 PM

What's in Rush County, IN? Only 36% reporting, but a D+79 right now. Damn!

dubb93 11-05-2024 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3447790)
What's in Rush County, IN? Only 36% reporting, but a D+79 right now. Damn!


Me and Trump is going to win about 75% here if I were guessing. So I’d caution that those have to be super early numbers.

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainmaker
This is a cool site. Shows the shifts in real time per county. Might be a nice gauge. Early results showing a few point swing to Demoxrats in rural counties in Indiana and Kentucky.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elect...ntial-results/


Thanks for the link. It looks from the limited info so far that Indiana has a big Democratic shift, while Kentucky has some shifts in each direction that basically cancel out. Why that would be I have no idea, but I'll put my lot in with the obligatory 'too early to tell' that always happens for about the next hour or so.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 05:59 PM

There must be one big extended family all voting D and had their votes counted early, lol.

Lathum 11-05-2024 06:00 PM

This 7:00 dump will be telling and has me very nervous

Brian Swartz 11-05-2024 06:00 PM

Idle conjecture; part of me wonders if this will just be one of those elections with unexpected shifts, a la 2016. I.e. some parts of the country and of individual states shifting Republican, but others shifting Democrat, and assumptions on 'bellwether counties' just not really holding up.

Ksyrup 11-05-2024 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93 (Post 3447791)
Me and Trump is going to win about 75% here if I were guessing. So I’d caution that those have to be super early numbers.


Yeah it just pulled back close to even.


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