Greg--

Do you think that either Clinton's or Obama's actions in office justify a coup by military officers sworn to uphold the Constitution?

I think (hope?) it's just part of the process or renewal for the Republicans. The Bush Presidency really threw them for a loop and they're trying to figure out their identity post-Bush. This pandering stuff is easy for them, but probably not very effective so we'll have to see who really picks the reins up.

Also--I'm having a bad day, so this probably isn't the right thread for me to be in right now. To the extent I've been a butthole, I'm sorry. I'll come back some other time.

Nope. The page you linked was a bunch of drivel.

Bah, you weren't at all, you were making pretty intelligent points for this thread.

I'm sure the government is shaking in it's boots.



VS

Chicago is still seen as a city behind New York and Los Angeles. It's just not in that top tier. I think the goal would be to give Chicago the same prestige New York gets.

I know I'm a homer, but Chicago is a pretty great city that I don't think gets the credit it deserves across the country or globe.

FWIW, I've lived near both, and vastly prefer Chicago to NYC.

There isn't going to be a coup for Obama or any sitting President. It's just masturbation material for people butthurt about the election that borders on treason.

Good god.

They should arrest this guy.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. I mentioned this in response to an earlier poll saying support of GOP was really low. I don't think anyone's abandoning their conservative roots. I just think they expect their conservative leaders to put up a much better and more grounded counter-stance than what they are doing right now. There's a huge opportunity to make some sense and grab political capital on both sides, but neither side is doing much more than making themselves look like idiots right now.

Then the goal isn't particularly realistic, not unless there's a sudden massive population explosion in Chicago. Hard to get to the same tier as a market that's more than twice your size, doesn't much matter who you are.

Chicago is already considered a world city. I don't think you could argue against that for a second.

Even with the Olympics, it will remain behind NYC (ie, the financial capital of the world) and LA (ie, the entertainment capital of the world - yes, Bombay makes a lot of money, but LA has more influence).

Bingo, and NYC is where Wall Street is. Regardless of recent downturns, its the economic center for the country and the world. I don't see how Chicago can even come close to approaching it, even with 2 straight Olympics.

NSFW, redneck calls for Obama to be 'inpeached' because banning 'flayvored dips'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCvkatCGNFY

I never thought I would see the day when our government openly tortured people either.

Right now we have a large group of people who do not believe the president is legitimate and the Constitution is no longer practical.
That is not a good combination.

I'm not saying Chicago has to be the same as NYC or LA, but I think it could definitely add some prestige to the city. Sort of like Barcelona which while known, reached a new level after 1992.

The fun part is these folks sit on both sides of the aisle. It's amazing how much power the federal government has taken on (like meddling in education) and every president just wants to keep adding more to the pot.

...and, of course, behind Atlanta as the busiest airport.

I don't think ousting the president via a military coupe is a real threat in the United States of America.

If anything, you are more likely to see a state or group of states seceed. If something like that actually got enough momentum to happen it would come from a more legitimate segment of the populace and I really don't think Americans have the stomach to go to war about that sort of thing anymore.

I really don't see that happening anytime soon either.

Commodities exchange?

If Kodos wants to arrest the Newsmax guy... he must want to send Gore Vidal to Gitmo.

Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’ - Times Online

Some highlights:




I love these next two quotes...

followed a paragraph later with...

His fellow Americans are stupid, conservatives are fascists, and he could have been president if he only had more money. I guess intellectual really isn't a synonym for smart, huh?

ummm..... ok?


So, but for the fact that your grandpa brough Okalahoma into the Union, you had no problem calling McVeigh a patriot? The mix of insanity and ego in that one statement is jaw dropping.

Dumbass.

Provocative does not equal intelligent.

That one's not so far off base. Bear in mind he's speaking to an English audience to whom the word "conservative" generally means old-school Tories, or basically old white guys on horses chasing after foxes across the countryside. Broadly, broadly speaking.

The rest of its BS, though, and he should be lynched for supporting McVeigh.

He's an old coot. What is Gore Vidal's audience these days, anyway?

I'm getting Gore Vidal mixed up with Vidal Sassoon

The last remnants of the Gilded Age who read Vanity Fair and live in the Hamptons.

Without him, though, we would have been robbed of his wholly entertaining fued with William F. Buckley.... :D

You don't think Vidal is still read and admired by many academics? He's not still considered one of the great intellectuals of the 20th century?

I can tell you that at both my previous institution and my current one no one has ever mentioned Vidal and I don't think he's been included on any syllabi.

"Friends? These are my only friends. Grown-up nerds like Gore Vidal, and even he's kissed more boys than I ever will."

It's possible to read and admire the stuff he wrote ages ago and still think the guy currently has gone off the reservation.

As for the current audience of his current fevered ramblings? I'm sure they include a goodly number of coastal liberal long-tenured academics and trust me, I disdain those turkeys just as much as you do.


Evidence would indicate that he is. That doesn't mean he's not currently an irascible old coot who's out of touch with reality.

Dunno. Not sure how much influence those who are reading/admiring him actually exert on anything meaningful though, so that could make it largely a moot point couldn't it?


Only in the past tense would be my guess.

I would just say that among my peers very few probably even know who he is (which probably says more about them than Vidal).

It's a pretty grey area that they both walk on. I don't think either crossed it, but they teeter right on that edge.

Yeah, he sounds like an idiot. But at least he is not trying to incite an uprising against the President.



Oh, and for the record, I don't actually believe that other guy should really be arrested. But he is on the border of being a traitor / treason.

Well, at least not this President.

You do have to love the fact that the same people who support that uprising coup talk were the ones saying that those against the war were essentially traitors. Hypocrisy in politics never gets old.

Also, I don't follow WorldNetDaily much, but weren't they at one time considered at least a semi-respectable outlet? They had some big conservative commentators if I remember correctly. I don't know if they do or not, but they seem to have taken an Alex Jones turn to the conspiracy world a few years back. I'd put them on par with Prison Planet these days when I could have sworn they were a Huffington Post of sorts 5+ years ago.

+1 :)

Maybe I missed it, but, doesn't the this: http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org
sound like Stormfront?

Maybe it's just me putting two names that sound familar together, but, Cloudfront sounds like it could very well be associated with or a brother/sister organization or subsidiary to Stormfront.

Yeah, seems like an odd name. It's a content delivery system from Amazon though.

I am a little worried about the olympics coming here now. Glenn Beck stated that the Vancouver Olympics lost $1 billion.

You mean the 2010 Olympics that haven't even happened yet?

2010 Winter Olympics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Details, details.

you believe Glenn Beck?

More fool you. (yes, I know...)

I'm not sure where Beck gets his numbers, but there is some real cost issues involved the Vancouver Olympics. First, this:


And then this:


http://www.vancouversun.com/business...154/story.html

What worries me the most is how off target a lot of their initial cost projections were. Being 5-times below the security cost, not projecting the volunteer effort properly and falling tens of millions short on sponsorship is a not a good thing.

I'm guessing if Chicago gets the Olympics, the only people it will help with be the real estate owners near the development sites. The city itself will probably take a fairly big bath in terms of security/infrastructure/traffic.

Lot of security and infrastructure is done on a federal level. In fact, I believe the entire security bill is footed by the federal government.

No use discussing Vancouver, they lost $1 billion. It's been confirmed by Glenn Beck.