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QuikSand 02-24-2023 01:28 PM

Bad information, at this point, plays such a central role now. The issue has been fully politicized and polarized, and I don't see how we undo that.

So, how many deaths among people like me would it take for the hypothetical "me" to start to take something seriously? I don't know, to be honest.

A million dead Americans, probably a click or two more than that if you measure by the more neutral "excess deaths" metric... and most of the country has decided it's time to back off. And many are now furious that we did any of the things that we did to try to slow/stop it as an article of faith.

It's bananas and driven by such irrationality that I don't think this is about math.

QuikSand 02-24-2023 01:37 PM

I work with and around political people, professionally. I wear a mask a lot more than the average person, especially of late, so I end up tagging myself (like it or not) as out of the mainstream. And I have lost track of the anecdotes from relatively mild covid-deniers who have fully hinged their actions on the most specious and absurd little things. That anecdote about the car crash victim dying of physical trauma but being "counted as a covid death because he tested positive" is just a get-out-of-thinking-free card for an awful lot of people (and these are people charged with making decisions on behalf of the public). It's just staggering.

-Nobody really dies of this, I got it and it was just like a cold
-I heard about the hospital just using covid numbers to get more funding
-The car crash guy story, gimme a break
-The studies say that the vax was always a lie and does nothing at all
-The studies say that masks were always a lie and do nothing at all

Atocep 02-24-2023 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3394024)
Bad information, at this point, plays such a central role now. The issue has been fully politicized and polarized, and I don't see how we undo that.

So, how many deaths among people like me would it take for the hypothetical "me" to start to take something seriously? I don't know, to be honest.

A million dead Americans, probably a click or two more than that if you measure by the more neutral "excess deaths" metric... and most of the country has decided it's time to back off. And many are now furious that we did any of the things that we did to try to slow/stop it as an article of faith.

It's bananas and driven by such irrationality that I don't think this is about math.


A million plus dead is crazy. We had a poll on this I need to look at again.

A million is roughly 1 in 330 people in this country that have died from covid. I'd imagine if you filled a stadium with 50k people and announced 150 people would randomly be chosen to die it's something that would be taken seriously.

Then again, a significant percentage of people don't believe that number and always have a friend or relative that knows someone that died in a car accident and the death certificate listed covid as the cause of death.

sterlingice 02-24-2023 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3394029)
A million is roughly 1 in 330 people in this country that have died from covid. I'd imagine if you filled a stadium with 50k people and announced 150 people would randomly be chosen to die it's something that would be taken seriously.

Then again, a significant percentage of people don't believe that number and always have a friend or relative that knows someone that died in a car accident and the death certificate listed covid as the cause of death.


If you told people that, for the Super Bowl, 150 people would be killed and there's nothing they could do about it. After all the hemming and hawing and rules lawyering came to nothing, there would still be a full stadium full of people thinking "it won't be me" rather than an empty stadium full of people going "I'd rather not give myself an extra 1 in 300 chance of dying today".

SI

QuikSand 02-24-2023 02:17 PM

ping Shirley Jackson

QuikSand 02-24-2023 02:23 PM

I know this misses 100% of the audience who really would need to grok it, but I still love the fuck out of it...


QuikSand 02-24-2023 02:25 PM

Oh, to one day experience the joy felt by the data scientists developing this abstract:

Quote:

Abstract

Objective To determine if using a parachute prevents death or major traumatic injury when jumping from an aircraft.

Design Randomized controlled trial.

Setting Private or commercial aircraft between September 2017 and August 2018.

Participants 92 aircraft passengers aged 18 and over were screened for participation. 23 agreed to be enrolled and were randomized.

Intervention Jumping from an aircraft (airplane or helicopter) with a parachute versus an empty backpack (unblinded).

Main outcome measures Composite of death or major traumatic injury (defined by an Injury Severity Score over 15) upon impact with the ground measured immediately after landing.

Results Parachute use did not significantly reduce death or major injury (0% for parachute v 0% for control; P>0.9). This finding was consistent across multiple subgroups. Compared with individuals screened but not enrolled, participants included in the study were on aircraft at significantly lower altitude (mean of 0.6 m for participants v mean of 9146 m for non-participants; P<0.001) and lower velocity (mean of 0 km/h v mean of 800 km/h; P<0.001).

Conclusions Parachute use did not reduce death or major traumatic injury when jumping from aircraft in the first randomized evaluation of this intervention. However, the trial was only able to enroll participants on small stationary aircraft on the ground, suggesting cautious extrapolation to high altitude jumps. When beliefs regarding the effectiveness of an intervention exist in the community, randomized trials might selectively enroll individuals with a lower perceived likelihood of benefit, thus diminishing the applicability of the results to clinical practice.

Ksyrup 02-24-2023 02:48 PM

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However, the trial was only able to enroll participants on small stationary aircraft on the ground, suggesting cautious extrapolation to high altitude jumps.

I would even go so far as to suggest EXTREMELY cautious extrapolation.

JonInMiddleGA 02-24-2023 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3394029)


Then again, a significant percentage of people don't believe that number and always have a friend or relative that knows someone that died in a car accident and the death certificate listed covid as the cause of death.


I can't fathom how ANYONE believes that number. That's far scarier than Covid ever was.

tzach 02-24-2023 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3394019)
Well, throw out that assumption, then, as it's rather tangential. I guess where my head was at is that COVID convinced me that it would take a truly existential threat for society, as currently constructed, to actually respond meaningfully and correctly en masse, and I wonder exactly what the nature of that threat would need to be (e.g. a pandemic with a 50% mortality rate?).



unfortunately it seems to me that the worse the threat, the more chaotic society responds. at least it has been like that throughout history and covid reminded us of that.

molson 02-24-2023 03:08 PM

The football stadium example is good to comprehend scope but it doesn't say much about whether or to what degree we "take COVID seriously" (I'm never sure what that means).

I've traveled internationally the last few years and did stuff like go to the movies and restaurants as soon as they were open. Those things increased my risk of infection, illness, and death, to some degree, but, all of those things could have happened if I didn't go too. And my personal risk was further muddled by working in an office with people most of that time, and living with someone who worked in a grocery store the entire time. It seemed silly to avoid mostly-empty theaters when I lived with someone who was around hundreds of people every day indoors, most of that time with no mask mandate.

Vaccines were an easy choice, so was masks, deciding not to give up experiences I'll never get back was an easy choice too - COVID wasn't nearly scary enough. And I believe all the numbers. As it was I tested positive one time, and then negative the next day. I wish I did more traveling and socializing, I probably would have got through it all cleaner from a mental health standpoint. Or maybe I would have died. But it would have been worth the risk.

Edward64 02-24-2023 06:26 PM

Nothing to worry about yet …

Bird Flu has been around for a while. I’d hope if/when it becomes person to person transmissible, we should be better prepared in treating it vs Covid.

https://www.nytimes.com/explain/2023...cambodia-death
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After a father and daughter were diagnosed with bird flu, officials in Cambodia scrambled to test nearly a dozen of their contacts for infection the H5N1 virus, which has been causing mass die-offs of birds worldwide. The daughter, an 11-year-old, has died, but the World Health Organization said on Friday that 11 contacts have so far tested negative for the infection.

Why the concern? While hundreds of human cases have occurred over the years, scientists have become increasingly concerned that the virus one day may become adapted to people. Any evidence of human-to-human transmission would accelerate worries that a new pandemic could be on the way.

Most experts believe that the cases in Cambodia were likely caused by direct exposure to infected birds. At the moment, the risk to most people remains low, they say.

Brian Swartz 02-24-2023 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep
A million plus dead is crazy. We had a poll on this I need to look at again.

A million is roughly 1 in 330 people in this country that have died from covid. I'd imagine if you filled a stadium with 50k people and announced 150 people would randomly be chosen to die it's something that would be taken seriously.


I still look at this in the opposite direction. A million plus dead is incredibly low. Astonishingly so. A third of a percent. That's not to minimize anything about the pandemic or the tragedy of the people dying, but just to put it perspective.

Edward64 02-24-2023 07:07 PM

I think 1M+ is high. Recent annual Flu deaths are typically below 60k.

I do wonder (knowing what we know now, without all the uncertainties then) with the relatively low impact to younger folks, would we still do what we did like school closures, the remote work etc. What could we have done differently with the 100% hindsight.

sterlingice 02-24-2023 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3394076)
I still look at this in the opposite direction. A million plus dead is incredibly low. Astonishingly so. A third of a percent. That's not to minimize anything about the pandemic or the tragedy of the people dying, but just to put it perspective.


[Poll] How many actual COVID pandemic deaths in the USA (once the pandemic is over)? - Front Office Football Central

It was lower than I thought we would have at the very start of the pandemic (though we had a lot of fog of war about the numbers coming out of China) but higher than I thought we would get to around June, apparently (from thread above).

SI

Edward64 02-26-2023 06:56 PM

Bottom-line. The various US agencies disagree if Covid was a lab leak or (un)natural transmission via the Wuhan market.

I don't understand why US Energy Dept gets a vote at the table on this (?) but the FBI believes it.

A Lab Leak in China Most Likely Origin of Covid Pandemic, Energy Department Says - WSJ
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The U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the Covid pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress.

The shift by the Energy Department, which previously was undecided on how the virus emerged, is noted in an update to a 2021 document by Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines’s office.

The new report highlights how different parts of the intelligence community have arrived at disparate judgments about the pandemic’s origin. The Energy Department now joins the Federal Bureau of Investigation in saying the virus likely spread via a mishap at a Chinese laboratory. Four other agencies, along with a national intelligence panel, still judge that it was likely the result of a natural transmission, and two are undecided.

Who are the other 4 agencies that disagree? Not identified

Quote:

The National Intelligence Council, which conducts long-term strategic analysis, and four agencies, which officials declined to identify, still assess with “low confidence” that the virus came about through natural transmission from an infected animal, according to the updated report.

The Central Intelligence Agency and another agency that officials wouldn’t name remain undecided between the lab-leak and natural-transmission theories, the people who have read the classified report said.

And the FBI won't share their rationale.

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Lawmakers have sought to find out more about why the FBI assesses a lab leak was likely. In an Aug. 1 letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray, Sen. Roger Marshall, a Kansas Republican, requested that the FBI share the records of its investigation and asked if the bureau had briefed Mr. Biden on its findings.

In a Nov. 18 letter, FBI Assistant Director Jill Tyson said the agency couldn’t share those details because of Justice Department policy on preserving “the integrity of ongoing investigations.”

So yeah, I'd like the congressional hearing on the origins of Covid and also the lessons learn & recommendations for next time.

flere-imsaho 02-27-2023 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3394208)
So yeah, I'd like the congressional hearing on the origins of Covid and also the lessons learn & recommendations for next time.


With this Congress?

flere-imsaho 02-27-2023 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3394208)
I don't understand why US Energy Dept gets a vote at the table on this (?)


Office of Science - Wikipedia

Edward64 03-02-2023 02:59 AM

Thought to check the CDC website for updated metrics.

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3380142)
Now on 10/10

The CDC COVID Data Tracker shows

> 12 is at 76.3% (2 shots)
> 12 is at 88.9% (at least 1 dose)


Now 4+ months later, we are at

CDC COVID Data Tracker

> 12 is at 77.4% (2 shots)
> 12 is at 90.3% (at least 1 dose)

And the bivalent (shot #5 I believe) metrics are much worse with everyone other than 65+ with < 20% for bivalent.

It will be good to combine flu+covid into one shot otherwise I suspect most Americans won't want to come back another day to get the covid shot. Flu shots are in the 50-52% range.

flere-imsaho 03-02-2023 07:11 AM

I'm planning to get another booster for the 4 of us before my boys head (via plane) to see my folks for Spring Break.

albionmoonlight 03-02-2023 07:17 AM

I understand the government's reluctance to ask people to do too much on the theory that people will then get confused/frustrated and do nothing.

But there are those of us who want to get vaccinated as much as needed to decrease our chance of catching COVID. And I think that we are being ignored/left behind.

I'd like the government to give us their thoughts on whether every 4 months makes sense for a booster. Or every 6. I Understand that most people won't do that. But it feels like there is now a deliberate decision to let immunity wane for people who don't want it to wane simply because the government is afraid of what some anti-vaxxers might say about them asking for too much.

flere-imsaho 03-02-2023 07:36 AM

I suspect the ideal frequency for boosters is once a quarter, actually, but regardless any message about regular boosters is one with almost 0 political upside.

albionmoonlight 03-02-2023 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3394510)
any message about regular boosters is one with almost 0 political upside.


I don't disagree.

And that sucks. No one is making anyone get a shot. I'm just asking the government not to withhold information from those of us who want it because it will hurt some people's feelings to know that other people are making different choices than they are.

Kodos 03-02-2023 09:12 AM

Yeah, they could give a simple guideline: The optimal frequency for boosters is every X months. We will continually update the booster to work for the most current variants. Come get 'em if you like, if you don't, good luck.

I've avoided catching it so far. I'd like to keep the streak going.

Ghost Econ 03-02-2023 09:30 AM

Just don't give the 5g proteins to anyone else.

Bill to prevent mRNA vaccine recipients from donating blood is killed

Edward64 03-02-2023 04:35 PM

Well crap, no combo shot this year.

I get an annual combo of Flu+Covid probably is not "optimal" for Covid vaccinations (e.g. prob 6-8 month range, so twice a year instead of annual) but do think this is the best compromise. With flu shots in the 50-52% range, it's a good way to get the low hanging fruit done.

I have to believe it'll be ready for 2024.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/flu-cov...official-says/
Quote:

Vaccines that offer protection against both COVID-19 and influenza with a single shot will likely not be ready in time for this year, a top federal official said Wednesday. However, tweaks to update the current COVID vaccines and drugs are expected soon.

The Food and Drug Administration's top vaccines official, Dr. Peter Marks, had previously said in September that vaccines to cover both viruses could be deployed this year.

But at a webinar this week by the National Foundation for Infectious Disease, Marks acknowledged the effort had proved "too heavy a lift" for this fall, ending hopes of a combined option for the 2023 fall and winter respiratory illness season.

Ksyrup 03-02-2023 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3394498)
I'm planning to get another booster for the 4 of us before my boys head (via plane) to see my folks for Spring Break.


I got my 3rd booster a month before we went on a cruise and my wife got her 2nd booster 2 weeks before and she got Covid and I had pretty much the same symptoms but tested negative (so far). I suppose it made it milder but who knows.

Edward64 03-04-2023 07:50 PM

Basically, reputable research firm says masks "makes little or no difference".

I googled on other articles about this and there is definitely pushback on the methodology and other stuff etc. But Cochrane is reputable, so do think it's good to keep an open mind that the conventional wisdom of wearing masks (including N95) may not be correct.

It's not intuitive to me, I know masks are not near 100% but would still think there's some level of protection for getting/passing on bugs.

Masks Cochrane review: There’s still not strong evidence for masks’ effectiveness.
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Which brings us to the recent Cochrane Review, which considered whether physical interventions—including masks—reduce the spread of respiratory viruses. Cochrane Reviews are widely considered the gold standard of evidence-based medicine.

“Wearing masks in the community probably makes little or no difference,” the review authors concluded of their work comparing masking with non-masking to prevent influenza or SARS‐CoV‐2. What’s more, even for health care workers providing routine care, “there were no clear differences” between medical or surgical masks versus N95s.

But as the saying goes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The review doesn’t show that masks definitely do not reduce the spread of COVID—only that studies to date have not proven that they do.

sterlingice 03-05-2023 09:40 AM

Yet, even that "high quality" study is a mess.

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In the case of masking, there’s been some consternation about the predispositions of the review authors. Tom Jefferson, a senior associate tutor at Oxford University, has spearheaded Cochrane Reviews of interventions to reduce the spread of respiratory viruses since 2006. But Jefferson has raised some eyebrows, as he has publicly expressed skepticism about masks. In a recent interview, he suggested that physical contact and fomites play a role in SARS-CoV-2 transmission. (Slate was unable to reach Jefferson for comment.) Senior review author John Conly of the University of Calgary—who has downplayed airborne COVID transmission, contrary to most experts, who think transmission is primarily airborne—is also the senior author of one of the key studies included in the review.


And, just to get in the weeds a little, since my wife works in academic publishing (so guess what gets talked about at the dinner table. That's a review study. It's in Cochrane, which is a good, legit journal and not some predatory bunch of hacks. However, there's no actual new science being done there - it basically aggregates other reviews and tries to draw a conclusion from them. The heavy lifting in a review article is being done by which studies you choose to include - which you choose to leave in because you think it's "good science" and which you choose to omit because it's "bad science". And that Slate article talks about the limitations of that sort of study. There's a reason why review articles are some of the hardest to get accepted in major journals - because you're just reporting on science that's already been done, as opposed to original research or case studies. So who is making the determination of your review articles matters a lot more than what the science says in those. (And, seriously? Talking about fomite transmission 3 years into COVID? I get it in the early days when we were trying to get our arms around this, but now? Really? When there's been very little evidence for it? That really calls into question the potential conflicts of interests from the author)

SI

PilotMan 03-05-2023 10:02 AM

To keep it short... the correlation between the number of golf balls that make it into the cup in golf was unchanged when controlling for trees. Therefore trees on the course have no bearing on the ball going into the cup.

That's how I feel most of the right sums up mask usage. You take that particular conclusion and say what you wanted to say all along. Regardless of the nuances that are abandoned to reach that conclusion.

QuikSand 03-05-2023 10:47 AM


GrantDawg 03-05-2023 04:12 PM

Doesn't matter. The paper is out that comes to the conclusion I like. Therefore, no criticism of it matters. I refuse to allow surgical staff to wear masks when they do surgery because this study says it is useless, and it will make libs angry. Yee-haw!

MJ4H 03-06-2023 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3394710)
Basically, reputable research firm says masks "makes little or no difference".

I googled on other articles about this and there is definitely pushback on the methodology and other stuff etc. But Cochrane is reputable, so do think it's good to keep an open mind that the conventional wisdom of wearing masks (including N95) may not be correct.

It's not intuitive to me, I know masks are not near 100% but would still think there's some level of protection for getting/passing on bugs.

Masks Cochrane review: There’s still not strong evidence for masks’ effectiveness.


The study itself admits it's basically useless. It rates its conclusion as "low confidence" and cites the ridiculous reasoning that they don't know if many people in the masked cohorts actually wore masks.

Completely stupid to even publish garbage like that. One might say intentionally irresponsible.

Edward64 03-06-2023 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ4H (Post 3394803)
One might say intentionally irresponsible.


I've been reading more critiques about the study and this is what I'm starting to think.

I've not seen a rebuttal from Cochrane to all the criticism. I'd like to see what they say or have them issue a clarification/retraction.

Edward64 03-09-2023 03:19 AM

As I was reading the article, I was just thinking "why, why do this". I do think we need to do the research but it seems like a free for all right now, and there are some scientists/hobbyist that may not have rigorous controls.

Viruses in permafrost: Scientists have revived a 'zombie' virus that spent 48,500 years frozen | CNN
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Claverie studies a particular type of virus he first discovered in 2003. Known as giant viruses, they are much bigger than the typical variety and visible under a regular light microscope, rather than a more powerful electron microscope — which makes them a good model for this type of lab work.

His efforts to detect viruses frozen in permafrost were partly inspired by a team of Russian scientists who in 2012 revived a wildflower from a 30,000-year-old seed tissue found in a squirrel’s burrow. (Since then, scientists have also successfully brought ancient microscopic animals back to life.)

In 2014, he managed to revive a virus he and his team isolated from the permafrost, making it infectious for the first time in 30,000 years by inserting it into cultured cells. For safety, he’d chosen to study a virus that could only target single-celled amoebas, not animals or humans.

He repeated the feat in 2015, isolating a different virus type that also targeted amoebas. And in his latest research, published February 18 in the journal Viruses, Claverie and his team isolated several strains of ancient virus from multiple samples of permafrost taken from seven different places across Siberia and showed they could each infect cultured amoeba cells.
Important quote.

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“If there is a virus hidden in the permafrost that we have not been in contact with for thousands of years, it might be that our immune defense is not sufficient,” she said. “It is correct to have respect for the situation and be proactive and not just reactive. And the way to fight fear is to have knowledge.”

MJ4H 03-10-2023 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3394825)
I've been reading more critiques about the study and this is what I'm starting to think.

I've not seen a rebuttal from Cochrane to all the criticism. I'd like to see what they say or have them issue a clarification/retraction.


The Cochrane Review 'Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory viruses' was published in January 2023 and has been widely misinterpreted.

Karla Soares-Weiser, Editor-in-Chief of the Cochrane Library, has responded on behalf of Cochrane:

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Many commentators have claimed that a recently-updated Cochrane Review shows that 'masks don't work', which is an inaccurate and misleading interpretation.

It would be accurate to say that the review examined whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses, and that the results were inconclusive. Given the limitations in the primary evidence, the review is not able to address the question of whether mask-wearing itself reduces people's risk of contracting or spreading respiratory viruses.

The review authors are clear on the limitations in the abstract: 'The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions.' Adherence in this context refers to the number of people who actually wore the provided masks when encouraged to do so as part of the intervention. For example, in the most heavily-weighted trial of interventions to promote community mask wearing, 42.3% of people in the intervention arm wore masks compared to 13.3% of those in the control arm.

The original Plain Language Summary for this review stated that 'We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.' This wording was open to misinterpretation, for which we apologize. While scientific evidence is never immune to misinterpretation, we take responsibility for not making the wording clearer from the outset. We are engaging with the review authors with the aim of updating the Plain Language Summary and abstract to make clear that the review looked at whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.

source link: https://www.cochrane.org/news/statem...viruses-review

Edward64 03-11-2023 05:06 AM

Thanks.

From Mar 10. You'd think they would have offered a clarification a little earlier. But good walk back I guess.

Honolulu_Blue 03-11-2023 05:57 AM

I feasted positive for COVID for the first time yesterday. It was a good three year run.

Ksyrup 03-11-2023 08:19 AM

Purely anecdotal as I've seen zero news coverage of any type of an increase in positives, but 4 people in my office have had spouses or kids test positive in the past 2 weeks. None of us, though, have tested positive despite living with those people through it all.

MJ4H 03-11-2023 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3395345)
Thanks.

From Mar 10. You'd think they would have offered a clarification a little earlier. But good walk back I guess.


Yes, it certainly took them long enough.

albionmoonlight 03-11-2023 12:04 PM

Three years ago, things looked bleak. But at least we were united. We had a common enemy. We had a sense of purpose. If you had told me then that the pandemic would end up, like everything else, being eaten by red versus blue, I would’ve been skeptical. It felt like maybe something was finally bigger than that.

flere-imsaho 03-11-2023 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3395345)
From Mar 10. You'd think they would have offered a clarification a little earlier. But good walk back I guess.


Best I can imagine they may have still been operating in the mindset of "we didn't think people would wilfully misinterpret our findings from what is basically a pretty niche academic exercise and that it would be used to drive widespread misinformation".

I mean, that would be pretty naive, but institutional inertia is a bitch, and academics generally have a pretty tough time understanding the ways in which things like facts and studies can be wildly misinterpreted or misunderstood by non-academic.

cuervo72 03-13-2023 01:12 PM

Whoops!

An Ivermectin Influencer Died. Now His Followers Are Worried About Their Own ‘Severe’ Symptoms.

albionmoonlight 03-13-2023 01:16 PM

As a lib, I feel owned/sad that my fellow humans are slowly poisoning themselves to death.

So, I guess good job by them. Owned a lib on the way out and all that.

GrantDawg 03-13-2023 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight (Post 3395597)
As a lib, I feel owned/sad that my fellow humans are slowly poisoning themselves to death.

So, I guess good job by them. Owned a lib on the way out and all that.

"He took it wrong" "He was murdered by Big Pharma- the Biden Crime Family- Hilary Clinton- The Easter Bunny."

NobodyHere 03-13-2023 03:14 PM

When did the Easter Bunny turn liberal!?!?!

Lathum 03-13-2023 03:22 PM

That story is so damn sad. We truly are a country of idiots.

albionmoonlight 03-13-2023 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3395608)
That story is so damn sad. We truly are a country of idiots.


The part about people giving this stuff to their kids made me slightly physically ill.

Edward64 03-13-2023 05:21 PM

Yeah, the kids part pisses me off.

The adults, no problem. Free(ish) country, that's why we have the Darwin awards.

Edward64 03-14-2023 08:08 AM

Article says Bird Flu not too much of a concern right now for humans. But I can see tremendous damage done to our poultry industry. I didn't know this was a reason why egg prices are so high.

Avian Flu is Far From Becoming a Human Pandemic | Time
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Across the U.S., some 58 million birds have died or had to be killed because of infection. These nationwide depopulations are one of the main reasons that eggs are so expensive right now—a shortage of laying hens means a shortage of eggs.

The good news: Aside from the damage they’ll cause to your wallet, there are no other dangers to eating eggs and poultry right now, especially if they’re well-cooked.
Quote:

For as long as the virus has been around, there have been cases of infection in humans, of which over 50% have been fatal. But overall cases have been fairly rare.

This is primarily due to the way that flu viruses bind to cells during the process of infection. The receptors that they exploit on the outside of cells look a bit different in every vertebrate class, and viruses tend to play favorites, evolving to stick to certain creatures’ cells more effectively than others. For H5N1, the target is birds. Still, “just because it has an avian-receptor binding preference does not mean that it cannot bind at all to human cells,” says Samantha Lycett, a University of Edinburgh researcher who studies how disease evolves and spreads. “It just doesn’t do it very well.”


QuikSand 03-15-2023 07:59 AM

…and if the H5N1 avian flu does, somehow, transmit to humans more easily… then the covid body count could, indirectly, explode. Because if our political division around covid causes half of Americans to skip getting a vaccine, taking precautions, and following treatment guidance… we could have an enormous wave of otherwise avoidable casualties. (Losing over a million Americans has already been awful… but that’s with a disease that has a <1% fatality rate).

Edward64 03-15-2023 08:06 AM

I dunno.

50% fatality rate (if holds true from the small sample size) will get people on board. There'll still be some crazies but a vaccine won't get here fast enough for 95% of the population.

Edward64 03-16-2023 09:06 PM

This sounds like a no brainer to me.

Quote:

Advisers to the US Food and Drug Administration voted 16-1 on Thursday in support of full approval of Paxlovid, stating that the benefits outweigh any risks of the drug for treatment of mild to moderate Covid-19 in adults who are at high risk for severe disease, including hospitalization and death.
You'd think they have plenty of data by now.

Quote:

Over 8 million people in the US have received Paxlovid, a combination of the drugs nirmatrelvir and ritonavir, since it became available under emergency use authorization in December 2021.

“I’d say besides oxygen, Paxlovid has probably been the single most important tool in this epidemic, and it continues to be,”

Edward64 03-20-2023 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3395855)
I dunno.

50% fatality rate (if holds true from the small sample size) will get people on board. There'll still be some crazies but a vaccine won't get here fast enough for 95% of the population.


Good proactive move.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...es-2023-03-20/
Quote:

Executives at three vaccine manufacturers – GSK Plc (GSK.L) Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) and CSL Seqirus, owned by CSL Ltd (CSL.AX) - told Reuters they are already developing or about to test sample human vaccines that better match the circulating subtype, as a precautionary measure against a future pandemic.
And the same old dilemma as with the Covid vaccines

Quote:

Less reassuring, however, is that most of the potential human doses are earmarked for wealthy countries in long-standing preparedness contracts, global health experts and the companies said.

Many countries' pandemic plans say flu shots should go first to the most vulnerable while supply is limited. But during COVID-19, many vaccine-rich countries inoculated large proportions of their populations before considering sharing doses.

Edward64 03-21-2023 06:33 AM

Nice move Joe. It's evident there is significant disagreement on how it started so don't expect any smoking gun info. But the FBI seems to have a higher confidence and it'll be interesting to read their rationale.

Biden will release Covid-19 origin intelligence - POLITICO
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President Joe Biden signed into law Monday a bill to declassify intelligence on the origins of Covid-19, offering the public a chance to review information that government agencies say is inconclusive.

The legislation, called the Covid-19 Origin Act of 2023, which passed the Senate and House with unanimous support earlier this month, orders the Director of National Intelligence to declassify within 90 days of enactment all information relating to potential links between China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology and Covid-19.
Quote:

Some scientists and government agencies have theorized that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology inadvertently spread Covid-19 to people in the city where the virus first emerged, while others have insisted that an animal more likely transmitted it to people.

The U.S. intelligence community is split about the origin of the pandemic.

The Department of Energy and the FBI have recently said they lean toward the lab leak hypothesis. DOE said it had low confidence in its assessment, while the FBI said its confidence level was moderate. Other agencies support the natural origin theory.
I was wondering if the CIA had an assessment (not mentioned in article link). You'd think the CIA with spies /assets in China would have a better idea. In a different article ...

Quote:

Four agencies and a national intelligence panel said they believe the pandemic likely started with natural transmission from animal to human.

The remaining two agencies, which include the CIA, are still undecided.


... now if they would really release all the info about Aliens and how they are spying and/or living amongst us.

Edward64 04-06-2023 10:18 PM

Good news if it pans out. Should make the annual bivalent dose (same time with flu shots?) a lot easier.

A new approach to a Covid-19 nasal vaccine shows early promise | CNN
Quote:

Scientists in Germany say they’ve been able to make a nasal vaccine that can shut down a Covid-19 infection in the nose and throat, where the virus gets its first foothold in the body.

In experiments in hamsters, two doses of the vaccine – which is made with a live but weakened form of the coronavirus that causes Covid-19 – blocked the virus from copying itself in the animals’ upper airways, achieving “sterilizing immunity” and preventing illness, a long-sought goal of the pandemic.

Although this vaccine has several more hurdles to clear before it gets to a doctor’s office or drug store, other nasal vaccines are in use or are nearing the finish line in clinical trials.

China and India both rolled out vaccines given through the nasal tissues last fall, though it’s not clear how well they may be working. Studies on the effectiveness of these vaccines have yet to be published, leaving much of the world to wonder whether this approach to protection really works in people.
Made me look to check # cases, deaths. There's an uptick in deaths but overall decreasing trend for infections & hospitalizations, and for deaths overall.

CDC COVID Data Tracker

And a WHO dashboard for global Covid. A little weird for the massive infection/cases spike in this past Dec/Jan.

https://covid19.who.int/

Edward64 04-11-2023 08:19 AM

Guess it's official.

I do want an congressional investigation/hearing, not to primarily focus on the origins but more lessons learn. There'll be some inevitable finger pointing and blame placed, but lessons learn is pretty important.

Biden signs bill ending Covid-19 national emergency | CNN Politics.
Quote:

President Joe Biden signed legislation Monday to end the national emergency for Covid-19, the White House said, in a move that will not affect the end of the separate public health emergency scheduled for May 11.


For closure on this chapter of the book

> 12 is at 77.4% (Primary series, 2 shots)
> 12 is at 90.4% (Primary series, at least 1 dose)
> 12 is at 19% (Bivalent)

77.4% is a pretty good number. But it took forever (2 years) and prob less impactful than it seems.

sterlingice 04-11-2023 08:43 AM

It's a bit of a disappointing number, though I guess, in the political climate maybe better than can be expected. It was perhaps less impactful from a containment standpoint but it probably took a large chunk off of the hospitalization and death numbers

SI

Edward64 04-15-2023 01:53 PM

Both my in-laws have been dealing with medical issues in the past year. I got a $76 Spirit airline flight from Atlanta to Dallas for FIL birthday (can't beat the price but catch is only allowed a reasonable sized carryon backpack).

Wife drove me to the airport but said she wasn't feeling great. At Sat 6am, took me 22 min to get through security. A lot of people in line but it moved briskly.

Got to the gate and wife calls me. She took the Covid test and came back positive. So we cancelled my plans as the in-laws are in a fragile state.

She had been dealing with runny nose and throat clearing. We thought allergies as we've been doing yard work, but she was worried enough to take the test.

I called Spirit and told them I was at the gate but cancelling my flight. They said get a doctors statement and I can get my $76 refund. I'm thinking fair chance we'll never go to the doctor. She's gotten all the vaccination shots available so we'll monitor her. I'll really get worried if there is respiratory issues vs sniffling and throat clearing.

I get Spirit needing a doctors note otherwise there would be abuse. For a split second, I was tempted to be a smart ass and say "nevermind, I'll get on the plane then" and see what she would say. But I just told her I wanted her to let gate agents know I cancelled so they won't be looking for me and possibly inconvenience the flight.

So after 2+ years, me travelling internationally in the past year, her working as a teacher in 2021 and 2022, and neither of us testing positive ... wife now has Covid.

Thomkal 04-15-2023 02:38 PM

oof Edward, how horrible to get it after all this time. Hope you are all okay, and get your money back somehow from Spirit

Edward64 04-15-2023 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3398725)
oof Edward, how horrible to get it after all this time. Hope you are all okay, and get your money back somehow from Spirit


Thanks. I'm feeling fine ... for now at least.

The dilemma I have is we are on the backend of our groceries (milk, bread, cokes etc.). Question is should I drop by Kroger late at night, wearing a mask, do self checkout, and stock up. Funny how these questions come up when you test positive.

Ksyrup 04-15-2023 03:06 PM

Wait - did you test positive, or just your wife?

If you don't have symptoms or haven't tested positive, you're not restricted other than you should wear a mask for 10 days from exposure. It's your wife who is supposed to isolate for 5 days from first symptoms. After that, it doesn't even matter if she's still testing positive, she just has to wear a mask for another 5 days but can go out in public.

So to answer your question, you can do whatever, just wear a mask.

Edward64 04-15-2023 03:08 PM

Just my wife. I don't have symptoms but I haven't taken the test (just happened this morning) but will later today.

Didn't know about the current protocols. Okay, so I take the test and it's negative, I can still go to Kroger but with mask on.

Ksyrup 04-15-2023 03:16 PM

You don't really need to test before you go to the store, if you don't have any symptoms. Just mask up. You're supposed to test day 6 (after 5 full days from first exposure). If negative, you've got another 5 days with mask. If positive, isolate.

Even if you decide to test today, you still need to test in 5 days - unless you come up positive today, then your 10 days begins and you and your wife are pretty much on the same schedule (5 days in isolation, 5 days in mask).

Edward64 04-15-2023 03:17 PM

Okay, thanks.

Assuming no symptoms, I guess I'll go shopping tonight.

Solecismic 04-15-2023 03:44 PM

I think it's worth saying that you and your wife deserve a lot of credit for thinking of others here. It's one thing to learn and to talk about all of this and have opinions. It's another to behave as if the results mean you should take responsibility and walk the walk as well.

Guard is definitely down now. I went to a doctor's office yesterday that I had visited three months ago. In January, signs were up, a box of paper masks at the front desk. I saw two people reminded to wear masks. Yesterday, no boxes, no one wearing masks, except the actual doctor himself. Which had me wondering if nothing has changed except perception. I will take another look into what boosters are available and when they should be taken.

Edward64 04-16-2023 07:04 AM

Went to Kroger and did my thing last night. Not that busy and non eventful. Took the Covid test this morning and came back negative.

Got wife some Mucinex, she slept pretty well and is feeling somewhat better. She has nose congestion and not chest congestion. Assume this is like the flu where it peaked yesterday and is now all downhill to recovery now.

(On another note, ordered pickup from our local Indian restaurant. Their pulled chicken pepper, medium spicy is pretty darn great)

re: doctors. I go to the dentist multiple times a year, and my doctor last year only to get non-Covid vaccinations (Tetanus, Shingles, Hepatitis). Both doctors & staff were still pretty good with requiring masks and disinfectant gel everywhere. My dentist also has me gargle with something which makes sense. They have done away with temperature gun reading though. Overall, happy with the level of Covid monitoring & prevention both are doing.

GrantDawg 04-16-2023 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solecismic (Post 3398734)
I think it's worth saying that you and your wife deserve a lot of credit for thinking of others here. It's one thing to learn and to talk about all of this and have opinions. It's another to behave as if the results mean you should take responsibility and walk the walk as well.

Guard is definitely down now. I went to a doctor's office yesterday that I had visited three months ago. In January, signs were up, a box of paper masks at the front desk. I saw two people reminded to wear masks. Yesterday, no boxes, no one wearing masks, except the actual doctor himself. Which had me wondering if nothing has changed except perception. I will take another look into what boosters are available and when they should be taken.

I was also at the doctor Friday, and the same. No masks are required, but all of the staff were masked. Got a shingles shot and spent all day yesterday achy with a fever. Fun.

Ksyrup 04-16-2023 08:12 AM

Same for my first shingles shot (although I combined it with dTap and Covid booster). Good news is that I didn't have a single issue with the 2nd shingles shot 3 months later. Hopefully the same for you.

GrantDawg 04-16-2023 08:34 AM

That's good to hear.

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Thomkal 04-16-2023 09:21 AM

I think the three medical places I go to (Dentist, kidney doctor, regular doctor) have all moved to whatever you feel comfortable with in regards to masks, and I think most of them have gone maskless too when I visit)

Edward64 04-17-2023 07:18 AM

Wife is feeling much better. Pretty quick ... onset on Fri, peaked on Sat, felt better on Sun, almost back to normal Mon.

It was like a flu/allergies, no excessive symptoms. All she took was Mucinex to help with decongestion. We had Indian food on Sat, she could taste and smell it so no issues then.

Had all her vaccinations. She's a runner so much more fit than me. Glad it was a mild case. She retired from teaching but is doing part-time work with special needs kids. CDC does say she can return on day 6 (Thu) assuming no more symptoms.



Coincidently, our 90lb lab was wheezing a lot yesterday. Had a couple spit ups of sticky phlegm. Didn't eat her food. Very lethargic all day. Also feeling much better today. No idea if she caught it from wife but CDC says its possible

What You Should Know about COVID-19 and Pets | Healthy Pets, Healthy People | CDC.
Quote:

The virus that causes COVID-19 can spread from people to animals during close contact. Pets worldwide, including cats and dogs, have been infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, mostly after close contact with people with COVID-19.

Edward64 04-20-2023 08:11 AM

Good that they are offering this up.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-b...ccine-cdc-fda/
Quote:

Many seniors can now get another COVID-19 vaccine booster, after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention greenlighted a broad swath of changes on Wednesday that were first authorized by the Food and Drug Administration the day before.
:
But older adults, ages 65 and older, can now get another bivalent shot as long as it has been at least four months after their last dose. People with compromised immune systems can get more doses as early as two months after their last bivalent shot.
Yup, sounds like the annual flu shot. It would be nice if it was a combo single shot.

Quote:

The FDA and CDC's moves come ahead of key decisions expected next month over what variants the bivalent vaccines should be updated to target next season. That would give companies just enough time to scale up production of revisions before the fall and winter.

QuikSand 04-20-2023 08:27 AM

I am glad that the trend is downward. Hopefully this is the direction that sticks.

Hopkins has stopped gathering data. Nearly everyone has stopped masking in all but the most sensitive areas. I get it.

That said... we still had over 1,300 Americans die of COVID last week. I know we have decided it's over and everything, but that's still an awful lot of actual people to just collectively round to zero.

Ghost Econ 04-20-2023 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3399161)
I am glad that the trend is downward. Hopefully this is the direction that sticks.

Hopkins has stopped gathering data. Nearly everyone has stopped masking in all but the most sensitive areas. I get it.

That said... we still had over 1,300 Americans die of COVID last week. I know we have decided it's over and everything, but that's still an awful lot of actual people to just collectively round to zero.


Well, you can round it to zero when they all really died in a car accident or from the vaccine. /s

Ksyrup 04-20-2023 09:25 AM

At the risk of sounding like an anti-vaxxer/MUH FREEDOM dude from 3 years ago, the US was averaging about 1K deaths a week from the flu less than 5 years ago (it varied from year to year but 50K+ deaths was not out of the ordinary and the average was around 35K a year) and no one so much as batted an eye at that.

sterlingice 04-20-2023 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup (Post 3399169)
At the risk of sounding like an anti-vaxxer/MUH FREEDOM dude from 3 years ago, the US was averaging about 1K deaths a week from the flu less than 5 years ago (it varied from year to year but 50K+ deaths was not out of the ordinary and the average was around 35K a year) and no one so much as batted an eye at that.


I think that's a reasonable question, particularly couched that way. What I'd counter with is that we're in one of the lowest lulls we've seen in the pandemic and you're comparing it to the peak of flu season so it's comparing highs with lows.

The preliminary data from flu gives a range of 19K-56K deaths this past season (yes, I know it's a laughably large range but it's what we've got so far). Meanwhile, COVID logged over 70K so it's still worse than even the top flu projection, but using the mid-point, it's "only" twice as much as opposed to close to an order of magnitude different. For comparison, we had 270K COVID deaths last year over that same time period.
2022-2023 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary In-Season Burden Estimates | CDC
CDC COVID Data Tracker

Currently, things have been mercifully quiet on the variant front so we haven't had any surges lately. And the surge this past winter was lighter than previous winters, but, again, still around double flu's usual damage. Hopefully we're in the tail end of the COVID pandemic and if it "just" becomes like the flu, then it's not ideal but so much better than we've been.

SI

Arles 04-20-2023 11:03 AM

Genuine question: Did we ever come up with a reasonable way to assign covid to deaths? For instance, if someone dies with late stage cancer, congestive heart failure or another deadly disease - but tests positive for covid - do they still count as a "Covid death"? IIRC, a lot of the flu deaths in the past have been people in extremely fragile condition getting the flu and it tipped the scales against them.

I'm not saying they shouldn't count, but if the "somewhat healthy person gets covid and dies" cases are pretty much over - then I can see reducing the threat level.

flere-imsaho 04-20-2023 08:56 PM

I don't think we ever did, and I don't think we ever will because that well's been so poisoned that no one's going to agree on anything.

Which will make the next pandemic even more fun.

Atocep 04-20-2023 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho (Post 3399221)
I don't think we ever did, and I don't think we ever will because that well's been so poisoned that no one's going to agree on anything.

Which will make the next pandemic even more fun.


IIRC it's the same as anything else. It comes down to what the medical examiner determines and considering the number of medical examiners in the country I don't there's ever going to be clear consistency and, outside of the obvious political issues, I'm not sure there's reason to change anything.

MJ4H 04-23-2023 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles (Post 3399187)
Genuine question: Did we ever come up with a reasonable way to assign covid to deaths? For instance, if someone dies with late stage cancer, congestive heart failure or another deadly disease - but tests positive for covid - do they still count as a "Covid death"? IIRC, a lot of the flu deaths in the past have been people in extremely fragile condition getting the flu and it tipped the scales against them.

I'm not saying they shouldn't count, but if the "somewhat healthy person gets covid and dies" cases are pretty much over - then I can see reducing the threat level.


Yes. Covid must be listed in the primary cause of death chain on the death certificate. This was decided within a couple of months of the pandemic starting and a retroactive correction was made to the counts at that time.

You will sometimes see people saying "there's video of [xyz] saying if someone dies in a car crash and tests positive for covid, it counts as a covid death," but that was before the CDC standardized this.

You can see the guidelines here:

COVID-19 Coding and Reporting Guidance - National Vital Statistics System

Atocep 04-23-2023 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ4H (Post 3399409)
Yes. Covid must be listed in the primary cause of death chain on the death certificate. This was decided within a couple of months of the pandemic starting and a retroactive correction was made to the counts at that time.

You will sometimes see people saying "there's video of [xyz] saying if someone dies in a car crash and tests positive for covid, it counts as a covid death," but that was before the CDC standardized this.

You can see the guidelines here:

COVID-19 Coding and Reporting Guidance - National Vital Statistics System



Every Covid doubter/denier I've talked to knows someone that knows someone that's brother/uncle/friend/grandma died in a car accident and the death certificate said Covid. Are you telling me they're all liars?

MJ4H 04-23-2023 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3399412)
Every Covid doubter/denier I've talked to knows someone that knows someone that's brother/uncle/friend/grandma died in a car accident and the death certificate said Covid. Are you telling me they're all liars?


In my experience, it's that and somehow exactly 6 people they know that died from the jabby.

sterlingice 04-23-2023 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3399412)
Every Covid doubter/denier I've talked to knows someone that knows someone that's brother/uncle/friend/grandma died in a car accident and the death certificate said Covid. Are you telling me they're all liars?



If we can't trust Nicki Minaj's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate's testicles, who can we trust?



SI

Edward64 04-26-2023 10:37 AM

From the DailyMail so take it FWIW. Interesting story. Anyone live (or knows anyone) in Washington Court House and works in Columbus?

The process to analyze sewage for Covid must be pretty weird. How does one person's poop, presumably mixed in tons of other poop, show up in a lab analysis?

Scientists launch manhunt for 'longest ever' Covid patient in Ohio | Daily Mail Online
Quote:

The Missouri team has been analyzing Covid samples from sewage across the US in search of 'cryptic' Covid strains — new variants of the virus that have emerged with unknown origins.
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'We reverse analyze [wastewater] to see if anything in there that doesn't match any lineages,' Dr Johnson told DailyMail.com.

'Very early on there was this [sample] that was different than anything we had seen,' he continued.

Late last year, his team began to scan wastewater data from Ohio.

He found the virus in Columbus, the state's largest city of nearly 1million, and in Washington Court House, a small city of just 15,000 just southwest.

This same lineage has not been detected anywhere else to his knowledge. This specific pattern likely means the person lives in Washington Court House and commutes to Columbus.



Ksyrup 04-26-2023 10:54 AM

Maybe they can do the genealogy DNA thing and track the person down like they do serial killers.

Ghost Econ 04-26-2023 11:19 AM

It would be amazing if this ends up being a married guy who has his side piece exposed due to his COVID poop.

albionmoonlight 04-26-2023 11:40 AM

Thanks, Ohio.

Edward64 04-29-2023 09:04 AM

Don't ask me why but I'm fascinated by poop sampling for covid. The article is from Jan 2023.

CDC figuring out 'logistical and legal' aspects of testing airplane wastewater for coronavirus variants, source says | CNN

Apparently, there are some potential legal hurdles. I guess there are some HIPAA or similar concerns but surely individual privacy concerns won't override national health concerns.

Quote:

The agency is still “figuring out how to operationalize this program,” a person close to CDC discussions said, adding that there are “logistical and legal” hurdles that need to be sorted out before the program “would be operational.”
In and out in 2 minutes, and analysis in 5-7 days (seems long to me). Assume if a variant become worrisome, they can speed up the analysis.

Quote:

“You can pull it off the airplane in under two minutes, quickly put it into a lab network, which we manage all of that,” McKnight said.
Quote:

“Usually, sequencing takes about five to seven days,” said Casandra Philipson, a researcher and program lead for Ginkgo Bioworks. Then, scientists may analyze their results and submit their findings to the CDC.
Didn't think about this but makes sense the data would be used to plan for the annual covid shot. Wonder if this can work for flu also e.g. I always hear the flu shots are 40-60% effective.

Quote:

Both McKnight and Philipson said that airplane wastewater surveillance not only can help with detecting emerging coronavirus and influenza variants – serving as a “radar system” – it can alert vaccine makers to which variants our Covid-19 shots might need to target each year.
In addition to planes, happening at UK airports so probably going to happen here too (which makes sense).

Quote:

A separate study conducted in the United Kingdom, published last week in the journal Plos Global Health, found that the majority of 150 wastewater samples collected from terminals and additional samples from 32 aircraft at three major international airports in the UK in March 2022 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. The data included three terminals total – one at each airport.

GrantDawg 04-29-2023 09:11 AM

You just wanted to say "poop."

Edward64 04-29-2023 09:13 AM

Yes, but actually poopy.

Been a long time since I've said that since kids went diaper free.

Edward64 04-30-2023 07:59 AM

Could go under Random but this is probably created largely because of Covid.

I can see this becoming popular in another/next pandemic (needs a v2 where it looks better and is lighter) but doubt it'll take off where things are. I like the concept & effort though.

Dyson Zone Review | PCMag
Quote:

If you swear by air purifiers for indoor use, now you can wear one on your head when you're out and about. Starting at $949.99, the futuristic Dyson Zone noise-cancelling headphones feature two tiny air purifiers that pull outside air through a filter and distribute it through a removable visor that sits in front of your nose and mouth.

The Zone significantly cuts down on odors, while reducing (but not completely eliminating) your exposure to inhalable particles and dangerous gases. The Zone works as advertised and deserves accolades for innovation, but its usefulness as an air purifier is limited since it's not a sealed mask. As for the audio, the Zone delivers rich lows and crisp highs in a balanced sound signature, but it's hard to say the sonics alone could justify the price. This niche product may still appeal to those seeking cleaner air to breathe outside of their home.


Lathum 05-16-2023 01:44 PM

Just took a test, this is legitimately the first time I think I may have it. I get terrible seasonal allergies and I thought it was just that. Woke up today tired and sore. We are supposed to have my nieces graduation party here Saturday so I powerwashed the deck. Made it about an hour then came in and slept for 3 hours. Woke up feeling like my head was going to split in half so I took a test. I went to her indoor graduation Friday so I easily could have picked up something there.

I really hope it is negative. Between the party and my sons band competition Friday that he has worked all season for the timing couldn't be worse.

sovereignstar v2 05-16-2023 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3400266)
Could go under Random but this is probably created largely because of Covid.

I can see this becoming popular in another/next pandemic (needs a v2 where it looks better and is lighter) but doubt it'll take off where things are. I like the concept & effort though.

Dyson Zone Review | PCMag




Very popular YouTuber MKBHD did a video review of the headphones yesterday. He said it's the dumbest product he's ever reviewed and noted the sound was comparable to $200-300 headphones.

Lathum 05-16-2023 02:11 PM

Negative. Whew.

Thomkal 05-16-2023 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3401705)
Negative. Whew.



Whew Indeed, happy for you

Edward64 05-17-2023 07:13 PM

PSA.

My wife had Covid about a month ago. She's a runner and hasn't been feeling 100% while running, which we attributed to Covid remnants.

She went to the doctor and confirmed my wife's airways sounded blocked some. Wife got some steroids and Z-pack. She is feeling much better after a day of treatment. Wife said she didn't think it was that bad but the steroids & antibiotics were really noticeable.

So if you've had Covid and think you've recovered, haven't seen your doctor, and feel "off" ... make an appointment.

Bonus. The steroids and Z-pack were free, no co-payment at CVS. I'm not sure why, I remember always having a small $5-$10 co-payment. Something must have changed and not complaining.

Edward64 05-25-2023 09:23 PM

Not Covid related but poop related so thought it kinda fit here.

Apparently, there was a lot of dysentery going on back then.

Ancient toilets unearthed in Jerusalem reveal a debilitating and sometimes fatal disease | CNN
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They found one seat south of Jerusalem in the neighborhood of Armon ha-Natziv at a mansion excavated in 2019. It likely dates from the days of King Manasseh, who ruled for 50 years in the mid-seventh century BC. Made of limestone, the toilet has a large central hole for defecating and an adjacent hole likely for male urination.

The other toilet seat studied, similar in design, was excavated in the Old City of Jerusalem at a seven-room building known as the House of Ahiel, which would have been home to an upper-class family at the time.

The eggs of four types of intestinal parasites — tapeworm, pinworm, roundworm and whipworm — previously had been identified in the cesspit sediment. But the microorganisms that cause dysentery are fragile and extremely hard to detect, according to the new study.
Quote:

Cities such as Jerusalem likely would have been hot spots for disease outbreaks, and illnesses would have spread easily by traders and during military expeditions, according to the study.


flere-imsaho 05-26-2023 09:33 AM

There's a reason that the development of reasonable sanitation practices was a gating element to civilizational growth.

Ksyrup 05-26-2023 11:58 AM

So I finally got Covid last week - in the middle of a trip, no less - and the symptoms still aren't fully gone. I think I went through every possible symptom you could have. Started with mild allergy-like symptoms - tickle in the back of the throat, sinus headache - which is why I didn't think much of it. That progressed to a bad sore throat and chills/hot flashes (no menopause jokes please!) for a couple of days (when I finally realized I had something more than just allergies). By Saturday, sore throat was gone and I started feeling better, but a lot of congestion and persistent cough. By early this week, my smell/taste was muted. Those symptoms have continued, more or less, until today.

I finally said fuck it and went for a run this morning. I'm just going to power through it and if I'm still not seeing any progress by Tuesday, I'll message my doctor to see if he'll prescribe something stronger. I've already gone through an 80-count bag of cough drops and 4 bottles of Mucinex and Dayquil/Nyquil. Today is day 10 so I'm finally leaving the house for the first time since we got back from our trip on Sunday.


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