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Karlifornia 03-20-2009 01:31 PM

LOL..I think Tennessee should change their nickname to CSUN's "Matadors" after they vacated the lane like that.

Dr. Sak 03-20-2009 01:31 PM

Wow back to back clutch shots in the UT/OK St game.

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 1973811)
Go Tennessee!

Go Utah St!!


I need the total opposite :p

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1973814)
LOL..I think Tennessee should change their nickname to CSUN's "Matadors" after they vacated the lane like that.


nice

miami_fan 03-20-2009 01:31 PM

Unbelievable drive

JonInMiddleGA 03-20-2009 01:32 PM

And that was the Vols best defender (Tabb) he blew past.

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:32 PM

Marquette is celebrating a bit to early

spleen1015 03-20-2009 01:32 PM

Damn it. I'm gonna lose both of those games. SOB!

Karlifornia 03-20-2009 01:32 PM

Come on, Utah State...don't do this to me.

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:33 PM

OK state FTW!

spleen1015 03-20-2009 01:34 PM

BANK FOR THREE! ROFL!

Fuck you Tennessee!

Karlifornia 03-20-2009 01:34 PM

Thank god for the glass.

Noop 03-20-2009 01:34 PM

Good lawd there have been some great games today. I am freaking nervous watching these games. Cmon Utah State!!!

Dr. Sak 03-20-2009 01:34 PM

It was so bad...it's good

Dr. Sak 03-20-2009 01:35 PM

I've almost yelled 3 or 4 times at my desk watching these games.

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:36 PM

Jesus, Marquette with a less then attractive inbounds pass

spleen1015 03-20-2009 01:36 PM

Well, I had OSU in all but oen of my money brackets... I have Utah St. in all of them though. Marquette is supposed to suck without Dominic James dammit!

JonInMiddleGA 03-20-2009 01:37 PM

And the poorly conceived possession puts an appropriate end to the Vols misery. One of the most frustrating teams I've ever followed, every bit on par with any GT team that's ever caused hair pulling.

Lowest fracking collective basketball IQ of any group I've seen at the high school level or higher, worst collective concentration of any group I've seen since elementary school. I believe the gross underachievement calls the coaching skill (not the recruiting skill) of Bruce Pearl into legitimate question and even moreso calls into question his ability to recruit basketball players instead of athletes that need to be coached up, which he clearly isn't capable of doing with the current staff. Another season like this one & the bloom will be entirely off of him in Knoxville, and he might actually be smart to take any equivalent offers he might get in the off-season.

He desperately needs to find some players who are interested in leading the lead in something other than tattoos and are willing to work at basketball to earn their free ride instead of playing at it like they're back on the block.

Karlifornia 03-20-2009 01:38 PM

shit...Wilkinson had the look.

spleen1015 03-20-2009 01:38 PM

Sigh..

Exciting to watch. That's what matters.

Noop 03-20-2009 01:38 PM

I suck with the seeds 7-10... I have gotten everyone of them wrong.

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:39 PM

make a F'n free throw!!

Karlifornia 03-20-2009 01:40 PM

You're down 4 points with 5 seconds left. You can't inbound it to a guy standing right in front of you. You need to throw it at least to mid-court....

RainMaker 03-20-2009 01:40 PM

Still no real upsets this year.

gstelmack 03-20-2009 01:42 PM

Sigh, tried for the NDST upset bid over Kansas, but I got the other 2 right.

Radii 03-20-2009 01:42 PM

great start to the day, too bad NDSU and Utah State couldn't pull it out in the end.

spleen1015 03-20-2009 01:43 PM

There is someone in my office pool 20 for 20 right now. Bastard.

3 others at 19 for 20.

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:43 PM

For those of you who haven't seen any of Arizona state this year try and catch some oh this game. They have 2 fantastic players in Jeff Pendergraph and James Harden.

spleen1015 03-20-2009 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1973850)
For those of you who haven't seen any of Arizona state this year try and catch some oh this game. They have 2 fantastic players in Jeff Pendergraph and James Harden.


But they're going to lose, right?

:D

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 1973849)
There is someone in my office pool 20 for 20 right now. Bastard.

3 others at 19 for 20.


I'm 19/20 in the gotti pool and 18/20 and in the lead at my wifes office pool

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 1973852)
But they're going to lose, right?

:D


It's actualy a tough matchup, Christmas is a great player

bronconick 03-20-2009 01:45 PM

The lack of 1st round upsets last tournament and so far this tournament is really starting to suck. The only lower seeds that win are mediocre major conference teams anyway. Not exactly Cinderella material.

PilotMan 03-20-2009 01:48 PM

I went to NDSU, so needless to say, I was on edge today. A good game, the team played well, just not deep or well rounded enough today. Still, they shouldnt be upset about the final score of the game.

JonInMiddleGA 03-20-2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973841)
Still no real upsets this year.


I'd say WKU over Illinois is a solid upset, just not a spectacular one. And still bigger than Utah State over Marquette would have been.

One of the problems with trying to find upsets this year is that while the higher seeds may not be as good as they've been in the past, neither are some of the lower seeds.

Karlifornia 03-20-2009 01:54 PM

The lack of upsets makes for better games later on, if you want to look at it optimistically.

molson 03-20-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1973871)
The lack of upsets makes for better games later on, if you want to look at it optimistically.


It also provides more opportunities for upsets later, like 4/5 v. 1,

Lathum 03-20-2009 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karlifornia (Post 1973871)
The lack of upsets makes for better games later on, if you want to look at it optimistically.


my exact thoughts

Philliesfan980 03-20-2009 01:56 PM

Let's go Temple! Christmas might be one of the best spot up shooters in College basketball. He should have a nice NBA career off the bench.

SnDvls 03-20-2009 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philliesfan980 (Post 1973875)
Let's go Temple! Christmas might be one of the best spot up shooters in College basketball. He should have a nice NBA career off the bench.


Sorry but I hope ASU cancels Christmas this year :p

JonInMiddleGA 03-20-2009 02:03 PM

Of course the lack of upsets tends to support the seeding job done by selection committee and Lord only knows we can't have that happening.

Young Drachma 03-20-2009 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 1973857)
The lack of 1st round upsets last tournament and so far this tournament is really starting to suck. The only lower seeds that win are mediocre major conference teams anyway. Not exactly Cinderella material.


This isn't an accident. The NCAA has to keep the machine fed.

Lathum 03-20-2009 02:07 PM

I have a feeling Dayton will be the first upset of the day

Radii 03-20-2009 02:19 PM

After the conversation on seeding and the pod system and teams closer to home I looked through 15 years of tournament history just out of curiosity to see if there were way less upsets since the pod system went into place etc. Looking over the tourneys from 1992 to 1998 and 2002(when the pod system started) to 2008, the numbers were strikingly similar.

In an average year there are right about 5 teams seeded 10 or lower that win first round games. If you don't consider 10 vs 7 games as noteworthy upsets, then we're down to a little under 4 11 seeded or lower upsets per year. In some years there were as many as 8(usually in those years 3 10 seeds win + an extra 12 or whatever) and in two years there were only 3 upsets in the first round, one in the 90s, one this decade, each of them including at least one 10 seed in that count.

So yeah, a 12 seed and a 10 seed winning on day one and that's it might be a little boring, but its just about average.

And of course, we're talking about 24 games in question(10-15 seeds, since 16v1 isn't happening). The difference between 3/24 and 5/24 in any given year is, to put it mildly, not even close to statistically noteworthy. Boring, yes, but not noteworthy IMO :)


... just trying to head off conspiracy theories with a little reason!

RainMaker 03-20-2009 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1973864)
I'd say WKU over Illinois is a solid upset, just not a spectacular one. And still bigger than Utah State over Marquette would have been.

One of the problems with trying to find upsets this year is that while the higher seeds may not be as good as they've been in the past, neither are some of the lower seeds.


I watch a lot of Big 10 and Illinois was not that good. Plus they were missing Frazier which essentially turned them into a NIT squad. I don't think it was much of an upset.

JonInMiddleGA 03-20-2009 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1973908)
I watch a lot of Big 10 and Illinois was not that good. Plus they were missing Frazier which essentially turned them into a NIT squad. I don't think it was much of an upset.


I'd say it's still an upset, just one that's less surprising under the circumstances.

But I'm not sure what else you're going to get this year. I mean, do you really expect Binghamton to beat Duke?

sterlingice 03-20-2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spleen1015 (Post 1973849)
There is someone in my office pool 20 for 20 right now. Bastard.

3 others at 19 for 20.


It's a fairly chalky year. Anyone worked up about their bracket on day 1 or 2 hasn't done this too often. Once you start losing E8 teams, call me :)

SI

RainMaker 03-20-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1973914)
I'd say it's still an upset, just one that's less surprising under the circumstances.

But I'm not sure what else you're going to get this year. I mean, do you really expect Binghamton to beat Duke?


I guess it just feels light on upsets because most brackets are still well intact. Seems every year we lose an Elite 8 or Final Four team in the first round. I haven't even lost a Sweet 16 school yet.

RainMaker 03-20-2009 02:46 PM

Cornell up on Mizzou and ETSU hanging with Pitt near the half. Maybe it was just saving up for this afternoon.

Lathum 03-20-2009 02:53 PM

If I was a college basketball coach I would make my whole team run 10 laps everytime a player of mine fouled someone going to the rim and the opposing player makes the basket.

Radii 03-20-2009 03:00 PM

I've got Dayton on TV and Mizzou on mmod... has anyone been watching the Pitt game? What's going on there?


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