Confirmed time on start of Day 2. 8:06 PM CST last night.

Thanks. 8:06 Central?

OK, back out again for an hour or so. I'm hoping BK beats me back to the thread.

So we're past 23:00, and 40% is enough to lynch. Clap had 8 of 21 before I unvoted. Or am I wrong about that...Alan?

But 8 isn't 40%.

It's 38%

Clap had 7 votes according to the vote count on the last page. We would have been at what I would assume was the 40% stage of 23 hours though and he needed 9 votes if I am doing the math correctly. Even if there is a hidden vote in there, we still would have been one short. Now that you unvoted, we are two short.

This is the last vote count I see and what I am going off of. I see only 7 votes here right?

I wasn't saying it was. I was just setting the scene. Sorry, I guess I could have come through with the percent. It looks like 9/21 is required to lynch. My thinking on Alan was that his vote counted double, making us actually 9/22, but that would have given us a lynch, so my read on him is off.

6-6 now if I am counting correctly.

Yep. I was going off clap's post saying he had 8 -- but maybe he was counting two for you also.

Yeah, we're tied at 6 all right now.

It was actually only 7 when you unvoted to make it 6. I looked back and the 8 number came from clap thinking he had 8 votes on him.

i went from the last count... and added new votes... but im not a good counter :P thats why i work for the government.

My vote does not count double. I didn't really suggest that was the case. I was simply saying that yesterday's vote count had an extra hidden vote in it. I haven't commented yet today if that was the case or not. I can understand the confusion, but for arguement sake if there was one hidden today as well, we still would have been one vote short. (now two votes short if you were trying to save Claphamsa just now)

Right -- I think we're all clear. Yes, I didn't want us to be one short of lynching clap right now.

Hi PB, would you like to discuss changing that sig? :)

Ok just making sure everyone is on the same page. :)

Keep in mind the percentages are just my guesses of what is needed though.

Huh? We know the percentage is 40%. No need to guess on that.

EF, I would gladly change the sig, regardless of your vote. In fact, it will be done after this post.

but ti changes by time of day....

It is done EF.

oh wow, its almost 9! thats what 3hours OT does to you :(

Suddenly my urge to vote for you has vanished. Unless you do something wolfish that is.

40% is not a static number. It changes through the day. My speculation today was on what the required number would be and when. Now that we are at the 23 hour mark it is back to 40% again.

Okay then I need to vote, despite DT voting for Clap, I just don't see his actions today as very wolfy, though no one else admitting to being a programmer still makes me suspicious of him. So I will have to vote for PurdueBrad then to see if its wolves pushing a vote on Clap or not.

vote PurdueBrad

wow, im flying up the post count :( and imissed out on the first 4 pages of pre game posting

back from dinner and all

@5:43 PM - I say Option B. Option A i can handle. Interesting insight - noted.

Just finished reading the day.

I'm not buying Clap as a wolf... too aggressive for this early in the game and I suspect others have computer skillls. Now that he has posted I would think someone would reply to DT as perhaps his earlier messages were cryptic.

Also not convinced on Chief Rum since the only reason given was the first vote on Kwhit.

Therefore, i think the best move of the day is to vote for PurdueBrad to learn from yesterday

[b]Vote PurdueBrad] - sorry fellow Pens fan.

Bad formating

Vote PurdueBrad

going back to catch up

also i would like to note that i have not suspected Danny or Heinze yet this game.

I think the night phase lasts 6 hours after day phase ends. Lynch was 9 PM est and the two night kills were at 3 AM. For that I feel for Barkeep.

i really hope that the second kill was a mis-guided villager or else we need to make progress against the conspiracy.

well heinze isn't playing this game, so it'd be hard to suspect him. :)

u havent played in a while have you.....

unvote CR

vote clap

I would still rather stay with the CR vote though. PB is not pinging me so cla makes more sense with DT's suspicion at least.

ok - i'm on 991. let me address this now.

it's not necessarily what you said in your PM clap. it's the fact that I have asked since you sent it if there were any other people that could corroborate your thing about "looking for other programmers".

nobody else has even said that is a part of their role, despite knowing now for more than a day that somebody is going to be lynched because of that. now if you want to say "well i'm the only programmer that knows that" i suppose that's a vague possibility, but you didn't state that in your initial PM to me.

@8:50 PM - the answer to your question is no.

actually you told me that much much earlier

DT i never saw anything about a programmer getting lynched....

second off who sais they need to look for me? I jsut said i have special privileges.... that could be... unlimited pms... or something of the like, not necessarily 2 way. so no i dont think there is any reason anyone else would be looking for me.

guys - i have talked to others with computer skills - nobody has said anything close to what clap said

yes but i just posted that it was ME publically about an hour before that post, in which i was respondent to someone.. (thromkal?)

I'm really selfishly hoping that some of you guys follow DT on this cause, as I've now said for a second day, I kind of want to play for awhile!

i'm not suspicious of PB really though either.

let me go back and find the PM's clap sent to me to make myself feel better bout that vote.

nor have i ever said they would.... once again DT is making assumptions that hurt the village, and passing it off as damning evidence

I think this likely should be the lynch vote right here.

Vote count as of 1041:

Chief Rum: Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa: nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46) Purdue (967, 4:58 pm) Chief (969, 6:01 PM) EF (1040, 7:49)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55) Schmidty (956 4:18 pm) Jackal (960, 4:37 pm) Danny (966 4:55 pm) NTN (991, 7:09 PM) Clap (993, 7:14 PM) Thomkal (1040, 7:41 pm) henry (1034, 7:44
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)
nfg22: king (949, 3:51 PM)
The Jackal: Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

no other programmers have said anything about special privelages

please post it for all to see, since i have already done so. then you can stop making insane inferences from it.

I"m content with my vote on Clap. He may just be clap being clap, but to act like we don't know about the whole programmer issue when DT yelled it out in all caps yesterday two or three times just seems like throwing dust in the air and hoping to make a getaway.

I already had Pass as having the first vote on Clap. Isn't that right?

well clap - if you had special programmer powers that another didn't have you could have been more clear in your initial PM about them, and about how they were unique and others wouldn't have them.

seriously? WTF would anyone say anything about special provelges when its MY role!

I can protect any programmer once for a 12 hour period.

does that make you happy? now stop trying to read shit into the game thats not there ur hurting the village.

Damn.

So clap?

Man, that would suck for him as a player. But if he's a wolf, Yay.

I think it's me Schimidty, based on the vote count BK posted above.

I unvoted maybe half an hour ago.

No, Clap was the vote that BK indicated.

But the post that he says caused the lynch was after that post count and a vote for clap.

if you'd told me that...if you'd spelled out more about your powers, i would have been less suspicious. fact is you left it completely vague - you brought the suspicion down on yourself.

this was your pm:

role

---

Im some far programmer... and I have special privelages with other programmers, but I dont know who they are......so fi someone tells you they are one of the programmers its good for me to know (maybe) probably wont matter :)

Christ, if it is, this is day 2 of me mis-reading how the lynches have occurred.

Why wouldn't you have divulged these details to DT originally? Sounds fishy my friend.

And what is "some far programmer?" is that supposed to be fat programmer?

I love clap, that is beyond ridiculously incoherent. :)

ugh :rant:

BK - Can you post the final vote tallies?

JESUS, Claph, had you revealed, guh. I'll even say that it would have been better to lynch me than you.

Um, are we sure Jack is really on our side? ;)

How you got to looking for programmers from that role description is kind of escaping me.. It's just semantics, but I'd say fairly important semantics.

Yes. Here is the final tally:

Chief Rum: Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa: nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46) Purdue (967, 4:58 pm) Chief (969, 6:01 PM) EF (1040, 7:49) Pass (1046 7:54)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55) Schmidty (956 4:18 pm) Jackal (960, 4:37 pm) Danny (966 4:55 pm) NTN (991, 7:09 PM) Clap (993, 7:14 PM) Thomkal (1040, 7:41 pm) henry (1034, 7:44)
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)
nfg22: king (949, 3:51 PM)
The Jackal: Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

far fat whatever!

yes

*sigh*

Arg, wow. So basically a bodyguard. That would have been helpful to know. I'm always amazed how often the village shoots itself in the foot.

Hmm. Well, back to the voting record I guess. This one hopefully will tell us something. I may return to nfg for my next vote.

Please play the next game and don't quit!!!

So Clap had 8 votes of 21, which is less than 40%. Again, someone's vote counts twice.

Here are the Kwit votes:

KWhit: nfg (482, 2:39 PM) CR (565, 6:44) Brian (579, 7:22) Autumn (581, 7:27) DT (595, 7:39) Telle (598, 7:42) ISiddiqui (599 7:44) Alan (600 7:44) PB (602, 7:44)

Here are the Clap votes:

Claphamsa: nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46) Purdue (967, 4:58 pm) Chief (969, 6:01 PM) EF (1040, 7:49) Pass (1046 7:54)

A lot of the same votes, so there is likely a wolf there.

woulda been nice if i had known that before leading the lynch towards him

Hrm. So we have five repeat voters (aside from Jack)?

nfg, CR, Autumn, Alan, PB

Jackal, not that it means much, but I can fairly easily explain my repeat votes:

Self-defense both nights

That's good, I'd definitely like to hear from everyone on that list of five. Self-defense doesn't give you an auto-pass but it definitely makes me want to listen to the others more.

interesting. a couple of those i'd say aren't great suspects and were likely just following me. but a couple...more questionable.

I'm pretty sure that I gave quite lengthy reasons for my votes each day. It is easy to have a better voting record as a wolf then as a villager, since the wolves know who else is bad. The true test will be when a wolf finally is on the block and we see who tries to save them.

None of my votes so far have been anywhere close to saving anyone (with the exception I guess if you want to say my unvote of ntn when I did day 1 was to save him, but in that case why would I have voted him when I did in the first place if that was my intent?). So if I was a wolf, one would have to guess none of the others up for the vote so far was a wolf since I haven't shown any motivation to either push specifically for a player to be lynched or for anyone to not be lynched. I simply gave my reasons for voting the person that I did.

I also think people are being overly hard on DT. He gave Claphamsa way more than a chance today to try to help clarify things. Claphamsa did nothing but become overly combative in the thread and really didn't even attempt to try to give any clarification to anyone to save himself really earlier today. In fact Clap was so far over the top, my discussion with DaddyTorgo was partially that I felt he could even be the duke that was almost begging to be lynched. DT disagreed with me on that and was obviously correct in that case.

Anyways, I've been wrong twice.. but not like I've been not giving a reason for my votes.

thanks for making me feel better Alan. I'm hoping we'll have some quality insight to go on tomorrow.

Just a note - I may quite possibly be gone for most of the afternoon tomorrow. If I can get all my stuff done at work I'm going to try to cut out at like 2pm and go down to the Cape to watch a Cape League baseball game tomorrow night, in which case I wouldn't be back until like 10:30 or 11pm.

I'm going to mess around tonight and see what I can do in order to post from my phone (internet explorer on my phone hates java)

Day 1 I simply followed DT as I thought he had a better reason for suspicion than any info I had. Today was mostly the same, though I was saying all day that I thought clap was rather desperately attacking DT. I figured he might have been afraid he was caught out with a fake role reveal. When DT showed that clap was his best bet too I figured it was as good as we had. I don't have any particular reason to vote PB other than the fact that it would shed some light on voting history.

@9:32pm - I'm awaiting clarification on something from BK/Hoops. Will know more then.

If anyone has a lists of vote and unovtes, I think that will be very helpful. I got several pings during the voting of strange votes along the way, but I didn't note them all.

I should be able to work on this

Yikes! I leave for 6 hours and we've already lynched? This game moves fast. I'll have to be aware of that for next time (the next day this game and the next game I'm in)!

I just caught up...votes in a minute...

i mean....thoughts in a minute...

Goddamnit. Oh well.

I've read peoples reasons but I really can't see why anyone would have seriously thought Clap was bad given how out there he was.

And clap, you know I like you, but you should have been way clearer. far fat whatever doesn't cut it. This is a game where meanings are important and you've got to play it that way.

it's only day 2...we're okay.

WOOHOOO!

I have no issues with interrogation of BrianD, if that is what has occurred.

Feel free to elaborate!

Uh oh... it seems Jack was engaging in some enhanced interrogation techniques with BrianD! I bet he yelled at him really loudly too!!