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What are you basing your fact on that Memphis can not defend the 3 point shot? Ken Pomerory says that Memphis has the #1 defensive efficiency in college basketball. Pete Gillen stated that this is the best defense he has seen in college basketball in 20 years. Are you really basing your opinion of the Memphis defense on one game? Why would it matter if Evans was rattled? The PG is just one piece of beating the press. If Cal thinks Evans can't handle it, he will just have Anderson bring the ball up. Look up the turnover numbers on him. Obviously, if any player gets hot, any team can be in trouble. But Memphis is capable of locking opponents down for long stretches at a time. We also rarely play zone, so don't expect much space to get those 3's off. |
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I am not sure what Gonzaga's conference has anything to do with Memphis. Did you watch that game? Memphis was up by 26 at one point in the 2nd half. Have you being paying attention to college basketball in the last four years? Who cares if Memphis plays in CUSA? Do you really think it has effected them? They have been to four straight Sweet Sixteens (only program in the country to do that), three straight Elite Eights, and an appearance in the national championship game. Of course alumni are going to be happy and are going to give Cal a raise. Conversly, what has Missouri done? They would have loved to have hired Cal back when they settled for Anderson. Missouri is half the program that Memphis is right now. The numbers do not lie. Speaking of really challenging yourself as a team, look at that out of conference schedule Missouri played. That is some sort of difficulty right there. |
This is almost as fun as the tournament itself!
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See- with colleges, especially if you're an alumnus, I think it's ok to use the collective pronoun since you are using the term, say, Memphis Tigers. You are part of Memphis if you went there. No one is under any illusion that GE plays for the Tigers. SI |
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Memphis has a nice defensive team. There's no question about that. You'll pardon my laughter when Pete Gillen becomes the oracle on defense. From your description of Memphis, it sounds like a national championship is a given and we shouldn't bother playing the game. Best defense? No turnovers? No way to get 3's off? How can Mizzou or any team beat them? :eek: Memphis is a good program in a terrible conference, which allows them to achieve an inflated win total and get a 1 or 2 seed, which allows for two easy matchups each and every year. In addition, you only have to play one tough program to reach the Elite Eight. That's why you have a string of 4 consecutive Sweet Sixteen appearances and 3 Elite Eights. It's a product of the system. Don't get so defensive about the lousy conference Memphis is in. That conference allows Memphis to have success that wouldn't be attainable if they were in a power conference with tough competition. I can say with great certainty that I would rather have Anderson over Calipari even now. Even when the Mizzou job was open, I did not want Calipari as the coach. I've heard far too much about him and his dealings with AAU coaches. He's a 'win at all costs' guy and I'm not a big fan of that. But he's definitely found a good home in Memphis. |
This Missouri conversation just seems so familiar. It's like we had something similar about 6 months ago.
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Yeah during football season if I recall correctly... |
Any Vegas trips coming up MBBF?
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It's difficult being only one of four schools in the nation to be in the top 25 at season's end in both basketball and football, but somehow we manage to get through it all. |
I just hope these guys get this resolved soon, they seem pretty far apart right now. The game is Thursday, right? So they only have two days to figure out who is going to win!
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Obviously, it's Memphis. |
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I have been out of the loop but did Chase Daniel grow that extra 2 inches you said he would by the end of his Tigers' career? |
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Pete Gillen: The Memphis advocate. You may be new to this whole scheduling thing, but when your conference actually has legitimate Division I competition in it, you don't have to schedule a strong team for every non-conference game. Also, you conviniently left out every good team that we played in the non-conference season. Seems silly given that I didn't do that when discussing Memphis. Coach Cal does things his way whether you put on the rose colored glasses or not. I know Memphis fans would like to think that Coach Cal's shit don't stink, but that's simply not the case. As long as he doesn't get caught, it's not an issue. |
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It's not relevant to this thread, but yes he did. He was measured at the the NFL combine at 6'0". |
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And that's what he was listed at on the Missouri site...it has no relevance but to point out you are FOS. |
I must once again give Radii credit :D
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I usually root for close games, but I'm hoping this one is a blow out either way, because I can't wait to see the dustup that follows.
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I think they should have a sig bet!
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My impartial eyes tell me that Memphis has been the second most impressive team in this tournament, behind only UConn.
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He was 5'10" when he got to Mizzou. He's now 6'0". What are you talking about? |
Please let Memphis beat Mizzou! God, are you listening?
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That's right. Keep jinxing the other team. God is a Mizzou fan. |
A Mizzou fan here who repsects MBBF's loyalty to the team but is also embarassed by the sludge he throws out at other teams in the same situation. It's not like we are playing Duke or UNC, both of our schools don't get anywhere near the publicity they deserve for their 30 win seasons in basketball.
I obviously hope for a Mizzou blowout win but respect Memphis, hell maybe even will cheer for Memphis if we lose, because they seem the most like Mizzou all of the teams left in the tournament. Remember not all Mizzou fans are alike. So please don't cheer against us just like you probably don't choose a particular gaming console. :) |
Obviously I have nothing but hatred for KU though. :)
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Are You There God? It's Me, Mizzou. Are You There God? It's Me, Memphis. |
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I guess I was mistaken by going by the actual roster which listed him at 6-1 as a Freshman. Scout.com: 2005 Missouri Roster |
Some of us have our own reasons for rooting against Mizzou. :D
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If God was a Mizzou fan, why did He let this happen? |
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Panerd is a Mizzou fan from St. Louis. Don't hold it against him. At least he's loyal to Mizzou. :) |
And still this is the guy that has led Mizzou basketball to their greatest tourney success:
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We always hurt the ones we love. |
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That's incorrect, but don't let that stop you. Norm Stewart went to more Elite Eights than Quin did. Listen, our AD decided to hire an assistant coach from the ACC thinking that people in that conference actually know how to coach basketball. What we found out was that he knew little more than how to sleep with people other than his wife and how to snort a line of cocaine in five seconds or less. Lesson learned. |
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All we heard for 4 years was whether Daniel would get to 6 foot tall by his senior year. Why would they be asking that if he was 6'1" the whole time? Regardless, this is a basketball thread. PM me if you're interested in discussing it further. |
So Stewart took Mizzou to 2 Elite 8s in 32 years, and Snyder took them to one Elite 8 in 7 years, with neither coach advancing past that point. Nice tradition you got there.
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Ray Liotta coached Mizzou basketball?
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So which trophy did Oklahoma basketball win this year? Regular season or Tournament Championship? I'm trying to remember......... |
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Probably would have been a better choice. |
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I thought Cartman was a Texas guy? |
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Yeah, I'm a Texas guy. A fan of a team that has made the Elite 8 three times in the past seven years, with one of those trips moving on to the Final Four. But we all know that MBBF likes to try and divert the story from places where he can't defend his position, so it is not surprising that he failed at trying to do so. |
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So which trophy did Texas basketball win this year? Regular season or Tournament Championship? I'm trying to remember......... Texas didn't have that bad of a year. Everybody loses to Kansas State and Missouri on their own court, right? Diverting would be talking about tournaments previous to 2009 in a 2009 tournament thread. |
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Go ahead, focus on this season. It is all you've got. Congrats on equaling the Big 12 Conference tourney accomplishments of Iowa State with your win. At least we didn't lose by 25 on the road to Kansas. |
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You know it's bad when he's using us as a justification for his point ;) SI |
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You're right. It's always better to go 9-7 and not get blown out at Kansas than to go 1-1 against them and win 12 games. Enjoy the fact that you have the lowest 8 years of Mizzou Basketball to taunt right now. It'll be a long time before you get that chance again. |
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I'm sure you realize that everyone on this board would have no problem with you, panerd and certain other Missouri fans experiencing the joy of victory. |
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Not really. It's actually relevant to the current discussion. |
MBBF is cute when he is aggravated. :D
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In-fucking-credible that you should bring this up. It just so happens that this season was the worst one for Texas in over 8 years. Compare that to Mizzou's program over the last 8 years, and this year's Texas team had a better record than all of them except this season's Tiger team. |
Win a conference title for the first time in 16 years and suddenly they have tradition. ;)
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I think we can all agree that what Mizzou is experiencing right now is the traditional new coach success with other recruiters' players.
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Now now, just because your team grabbed some douchebag no-talent coach from Duke while Kansas was going to 14 straight NCAA Tournaments and 3 final fours after having hired a quality North Carolina assistant is no reason to be angry at the entire ACC. ;) And that's not to say that UNC is devoid of douchebag no-talent coaches. Carolina was just kind enough to do a service to the rest of division I's major colleges by exposing him as a douchebag no-talent coach themselves instead of unleashing him on some unsuspecting school:  |
I really don't think I appreciated the pile of flaming garbage the Missouri program was for the last decade. I really wish I had taken more time to enjoy the lack of a caveman swinging his dick back and forth in the cbk threads.
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Once there has been a Coach Doh sighting, then thread is no longer about the NCAA tournament.
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I agree with the sportingnews in that the worst two teams in the tourney now are easily Arizona and Missouri. If either wins, I will be shocked: SportingNews.com - Your expert source for NCAA Basketball stats, scores, standings, and blogs from NCAA Basketball columnists |
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I stand corrected, this thread is quickly approaching this rarified air. Has a bit to go, but certainly getting into the ballpark. |
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Anyone remember what Mike Davis did with Bobby Knight's players? I can't blame someone for being happy that their team has had a decent season, but DAMN!!!!!! We should expect no less. MBBF is this dedicated to the PS3, too. |
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Not sure about this one unless its an inside joke with MBBF that I don't get? The only player not recruited by Anderson was Lyons. (And to an extent Matt Lawrence, but he was a walk on) We were shitty in Anderson's first couple of years due to Quin Snyder leaving the cubboard bare by recruiting thugs, putting us on probation, and causing one of our stars to bolt for the NBA due to Quin fucking his girlfriend. I will let MBBF stand on his own on most of his posts, but not this one. |
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I figure once we start talking about Missouri's legacy and Norm Stewart, and how tall Chase Daniel may or may not be, pretty much everything is open for discussion :D |
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Whoa, I clearly missed something in the program's implosion pre-Anderson. Who was the player? |
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wow, mizzou below the 12 seed? Oof. Missouri's press is fun to watch, and yeah, Memphis has athletes and talent, but they have shown themselves capable of very undisciplined stretches during big games the past couple years(Memphis/UT, right? Worst coaching and execution in the final minute of a game in history?) Memphis should win but I won't at all be suprised if they just completely break down for awhile if Mizzou can keep it close and keep the pressure on. |
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Linus Kleiza. Of course there are differing opinions on Quin's coke use and the girlfriend situation but quite a few people I know that are close to the program say both of definitely true. I think I have even heard that only the coke use is of any question really. Mizzou fans aren't proud of either so you will have a camp of deniers of both. (panerd goes to check to see what kind of slander is possible on a message board) |
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Yeah, the guy has KU and MSU ranked 6 and 7 even though they play each other and then ranks Arizona 15 because he thinks they will lose to UConn. And he thinks that he is so important that him ranking Memphis 4th will cause their coach to motivate his players with his article. Of course Wake Forest was #7 in his pre-tournament power ratings. (and Mizzou 18th out of 64 and now 16 out of 16) The guy is a prophet! |
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Co-sign, but MBBF contributes to the overall Mizzou hatred. |
So. College Basketball.
St. Mary's defeat Davidson 80-68 in the NIT behind a double-double from Mills, 23pts 10asts. He DID shoot 1-10 from 3pt land however, and 8-12 from within. Curry had 26 points. |
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Yeah, the game that everyone was already in bed. The game had a start time of 10:30... CENTRAL. |
How do you guys see Curry projecting at the NBA level?
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I project Curry as a rich man's Eddie House. He is more skilled than House and a better shooter, but will probably find a similar role in the NBA, as the first guard off the bench at either backcourt position.
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Worked out well for us Aussies. :D |
Wow. Memphis has a slickster running their program, who is certainly bending if not breaking rules. They will have their UMass-like come-upance at some point in the future.
However, at least they have accomplished something. Mizzou has never tasted a Final 4, so their fans should really STFU until they accomplish something on the hardwood. This is like Rutgers football fans pounding their chests about how dominate their football team has become and yet they never even won their conference. Or maybe this is like Pitt basjetball fans who think they are the equal to UConn or Syracuse in the Big East, but not only have they never been to the Final 4, I just read that they have never beaten a team seeded 5 or better in the history of the tournament. Can that be true??? |
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I'm pretty sure that, since joining the Big East, Pitt has never made it past the Sweet 16. |
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Seriously? Over Arizona, Purdue, and Xavier? Really? Nova at 12? Oklahoma up at 4? I think this list might be just a little crazy. SI |
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Yeah. I had heard the coke rumors but nothing about Kleiza's girlfriend SI |
Oh, and the thing about how people have looked so far and the too much weight being given to them... last I checked, every game still starts out 0-0, no matter how well you did the previous game or games.
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If anybody would like to adopt an underdog for an hour or so, please feel free to head to ESPN2, the Georgia Tech women would like all they help they can get. The #9 seed is tied 29-29 at the half against #1 seeded Oklahoma, despite the absence of their leading scorer/rebounder/3p shooter who has been out with a knee injury since the ACC tournament. Somehow, some way, we're still in this thing.
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Which one is the girl who said she would surrender her scholarship if Oklahoma doesn't win it all (I think it was an Oklahoma player?)? |
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That'd be Courtney Paris, daughter of former 49er Bubba Paris. Takes after her daddy in some ways ;)  |
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Oh, cool! A Rule 34 thread! (I would've thought this a joke, but seeing some of the posts in here, eh, maybe not... :D ) |
So in the women's tourney Duke, a number 1 seed, plays MSU, a number 9 seed, at MSU. WTF? Considering Duke's coach was MSU's coach oh so recently, it wasn't surprising that the crowd was a bit more into it than usual and it helped create an upset loss and for the third time ever a #9 seed made it to the sweet 16.
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These other schools (none of which I am a fan of anyhow) were not the topic of discussion. If you think Calimari is running a clean program, you are delusional. He jumps to the NBA as soon as the Camby situation broke? They just couldn't tie him him, luckily for him. And I don't think I need to mention Worldwide Wes, DuJuan and Milt Wagner, Derek Rose, etc. How about telling a recruit that Carnesecca was dying? And don't tell me that sweet fed-ex PAID internship his players get doesn't ooze sleeze. But other than that, I am sure he is on the up and up. |
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-Milt Wagner stayed on the staff several years after his son left, got his degree from the U of M, and is now an assistant at UTEP. -The Fed-Ex internship has been cleared by the NCAA. It is also available to other college students. Shame on Cal for giving these players real world skills with one of the biggest companies in the world. -Worldwide Wes. You may have something there, but again, everything he does is with the rules. I am under the belief that all programs, in every sport, bend the rules some. Most of that comes back to the NCAA, which is not as concerned about the welfare of the student athlete as it is about the money the NCAA is making. |
Sadly the Ball State women's team couldn't keep the magic going after beating Tennessee and lost to Iowa State. :( Still what a first ever win in the tourney to have on your resume.
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People took for granted just how good Mizzou was for a 20 year stretch from the late 70s through the late 90s. It went to hell in a handbasket during the Quin debacle. I'm not sure that Coach Anderson's first couple of years can be considered his fault. It took two years to switch that culture back to where it should be. I'd also add that stretch with Quin was killing Norm. While he's Tiger through and through, he felt as though everything he had established during his career was flushed down the toilet in a couple of short years. He's much happier now that Coach Anderson has righted the ship. Quote:
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Amazing that 23 of the 27 victims in this stretch were non-NCAA tourney teams and 26 of 27 were outside the top 32 teams. That's a pleasure cruise, not a schedule. |
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Nothing like having the #1 seed in your team's bracket get notified of potential major NCAA violations during the Sweet 16 round......... Probe: UConn violated NCAA rules - College Basketball - Rivals.com |
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Off topic somewhat. Big transfer target now available. Seth Curry is transferring from Liberty. Leading freshman scorer in the nation at over 20 PPG. Freshman Seth Curry to transfer after one year at Liberty - ESPN |
Well the last Yahoo investigation into USC really brought down the program, so I'm sure Thabeet and AJ Price are shaking.
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No, he's not incorrect. You are simply full of shit. How in the world can you claim that when J.T. Tiller, Leo Lyons, DeMarre Carroll and Zaire Taylor, all juniors and seniors, are #1, #2, #3 and #5 in scoring for the team? Now who cannot be more incorrect? |
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Uhhh, JT Tiller was a UAB recruit of Anderson's that was released from his letter of intent when Anderson moved to Mizzou. Zaire Taylor transferred to Mizzou in Anderson's second year from Delaware. DeMarre Carroll transferred from Vanderbilt after Anderson got the Mizzou job. He didn't want to play for his uncle at UAB because it wasn't in a high-profile conference, but that changed when Anderson came to Mizzou. I'm not going to say you're wrong. I'll just note that I'm not full of shit. Leo Lyons and Matt Lawrence are the only Snyder recruits remaining. I'd also note that both of them were in Snyder's doghouse and neither excelled until Anderson took over. |
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