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Subby 02-24-2007 07:00 PM

Gotta take issue with two of the covers b/c I think the original should be somewhat successful and neither Nothing Compares... or I Love Rock and Roll... were that.

ntndeacon 02-24-2007 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1402127)
Cover - Final

4.4 - I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston - vtbub
4.10 - You Really Got Me, Van Halen - Subby
5.6 - Proud Mary, Ike and Tina Turner - ntndeacon
7.4 - Killing Me Softly, The Fugees - Butter_of_69
7.5 - Burning Down the House, Tom Jones & The Cardigans - Maple Leafs
7.9 - I Love Rock 'N Roll, Joan Jett - Buccaneer
8.9 - A Little Help From My Friends, Joe Cocker - Lathum
9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U, Sinead O'Connor - NoMyths
10.1 - Sweet Jane, Cowboy Junkies - Oilers9911
10.3 - I Shot the Sheriff, Eric Clapton - lordscarlet


Fixed

Subby 02-24-2007 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1402130)
ever been to a wedding?

or watched Goodfellas? :)

Subby 02-24-2007 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1402132)
Fixed

sorry I have reading issues :\

adubroff 02-24-2007 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1402131)
Gotta take issue with two of the covers b/c I think the original should be somewhat successful and neither Nothing Compares... or I Love Rock and Roll... were that.



I think of great Cover as exactly the opposite of that....a great cover obscures the original in my mind...it's so distinctively the covering artist's song that the general public doesn't even know that there was an original.

Buccaneer 02-24-2007 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1402130)
ever been to a wedding?


Not in a long time. Besides, I just googled 'greatest wedding songs' and on the first several lists or CDs that came up, the song wasn't on any of them.

Buccaneer 02-24-2007 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adubroff (Post 1402138)
I think of great Cover as exactly the opposite of that....a great cover obscures the original in my mind...it's so distinctively the covering artist's song that the general public doesn't even know that there was an original.


I agree. :)

st.cronin 02-24-2007 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adubroff (Post 1402138)
I think of great Cover as exactly the opposite of that....a great cover obscures the original in my mind...it's so distinctively the covering artist's song that the general public doesn't even know that there was an original.


I'm right in the middle of this. I think the important thing is that the "cover" be of high quality. Whether the original is superior or inferior makes no difference in my judgement.

Lathum 02-24-2007 07:11 PM

Weird, I just googled greatest love songs and it was on the first list I found

Buccaneer 02-24-2007 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1402144)
Weird, I just googled greatest love songs and it was on the first list I found


Yeah, way down on the list below Billy Joel. :) You would think a great love song would also be on a great wedding song list.

Subby 02-24-2007 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adubroff (Post 1402138)
I think of great Cover as exactly the opposite of that....a great cover obscures the original in my mind...it's so distinctively the covering artist's song that the general public doesn't even know that there was an original.

I agree as long as the original was a legit song on its own before the cover came along...I guess they qualify since they were recorded but didn't really get a lot of love...either way I see your point.

Subby 02-24-2007 07:19 PM

One Hit Wonder

3.10 Macarena, Los Del Rio - Oilers9911
5.9 - Baby Got Back, Sir Mix-a-Lot - Buccaneer
8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American), Lee Greenwood - NoMyths
9.2 - What's Up?, 4 Non Blondes - Lathum
9.5 - 99 Luftballoons, Nena - Maple Leafs
9.6 - Tainted Love, Soft Cell - ntndeacon
9.7 - Walking on Sunshine, Katrina and the Waves - vtbub
9.8 - Mickey, Toni Basil - lordscarlet
10.7 - Butter_of_69
10.10 - Subby

wade moore 02-24-2007 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by adubroff (Post 1402101)
Of course, but a trendsetter is not the inventor of something, it's the popularizer of that thing. In fashion, it's not the designer, it's the celebrity who wears it.


My only point is Sugar Hill Gang did this as much, if not more, than Nirvana.

Subby 02-24-2007 07:23 PM

Anti-Establishment

1.9 - Fight the Power, Public Enemy - Buccaneer
2.7 - Anarchy in the UK, The Sex Pistols - Butter_of_69
2.10 - Fuck tha Police, N.W.A. - Subby
3.6 - London Calling, The Clash - ntndeacon
3.8 - Killing in the Name, Rage Against the Machine - lordscarlet
4.1 - We're Not Gonna Take It, Twisted Sister - Oilers9911
5.2 - American Idiot, Green Day - Lathum
5.3 - Fortunate Son, Creedence Clearwater Revival - NoMyths
7.6 - Cop Killer, Body Count - vtbub
10.6 - Maple Leafs

ntndeacon 02-24-2007 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1402135)
sorry I have reading issues :\


not a problem, Subby. :)

st.cronin 02-24-2007 07:27 PM

Can't believe nobody went with that song for anti-establishment.

lordscarlet 02-24-2007 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1402139)
Not in a long time. Besides, I just googled 'greatest wedding songs' and on the first several lists or CDs that came up, the song wasn't on any of them.


It is the First Dance song at half the weddings I know of.

Buccaneer 02-24-2007 07:28 PM

It's not done yet. :(

lordscarlet 02-24-2007 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1402149)
One Hit Wonder

3.10 Macarena, Los Del Rio - Oilers9911
5.9 - Baby Got Back, Sir Mix-a-Lot - Buccaneer
8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American), Lee Greenwood - NoMyths
9.2 - What's Going On?, 4 Non Blondes - Lathum
9.5 - 99 Luftballoons, Nena - Maple Leafs
9.8 - Mickey, Toni Basil - lordscarlet
9.7 - Walking on Sunshine, Katrina and the Waves - vtbub
9.6 - Tainted Love, Soft Cell - ntndeacon
10.7 - Butter_of_69
10.10 - Subby


This is out of order?

st.cronin 02-24-2007 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1402157)
It's not done yet. :(


gah, I counted 10 ... I've edited.

Daimyo 02-24-2007 07:31 PM

Hendrix pick is the bust of the draft... I think there are better choices for him for classic but he probably should have been used for cover where I think he would have owned the category (Watchtower or Star Spangled Banner). Also a little surprised by the use of Who for Baba O'Reily. Its an amazing song, but I'm not sure enough people will recognize it by name compared to some of their other stuff.

Lathum 02-24-2007 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daimyo (Post 1402161)
Hendrix pick is the bust of the draft... I think there were better choices for class and he could have owned cover (Watchtower or Star Spangled Banner). Also a little surprised by the use of Who for Baba O'Reily. Its an amazing song, but I'm not sure enough people will recognize it by name compared to some of their other stuff.


you're crazy.

lordscarlet 02-24-2007 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daimyo (Post 1402161)
Hendrix pick is the bust of the draft... I think there are better choices for him for classic but he probably should have been used for cover where I think he would have owned the category (Watchtower or Star Spangled Banner). Also a little surprised by the use of Who for Baba O'Reily. Its an amazing song, but I'm not sure enough people will recognize it by name compared to some of their other stuff.


As much as you can argue for other Hendrix songs, I don't think anything is worse than "Image" as a love song. :)

Lathum 02-24-2007 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1402163)
As much as you can argue for other Hendrix songs, I don't think anything is worse than "Image" as a love song. :)


or Imagine

Subby 02-24-2007 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1402159)
This is out of order?

fixed!

st.cronin 02-24-2007 07:38 PM

I think that Gary Glitter goof is the "reach" of the draft. There's a couple of other songs that are weak, as well, but considering the options that were open the arena category, that pick was just insane.

Subby 02-24-2007 07:38 PM

Epic category easily has the most whiffs, I think...

Buccaneer 02-24-2007 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1402163)
As much as you can argue for other Hendrix songs, I don't think anything is worse than "Imagine" as a love song. :)


except it's a great song to have on anyone's list regardless of category. :) :) :)

Daimyo 02-24-2007 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1402163)
As much as you can argue for other Hendrix songs, I don't think anything is worse than "Image" as a love song. :)


True... that one deserves a huge penalty for Bucc, but I bet most people will ignore the categories when they vote.

Lathum 02-24-2007 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daimyo (Post 1402170)
True... that one deserves a huge penalty for Bucc, but I bet most people will ignore the categories when they vote.


then Foxy lady will be ahead of about 30 other songs overall.

Butter 02-24-2007 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1402166)
I think that Gary Glitter goof is the "reach" of the draft. There's a couple of other songs that are weak, as well, but considering the options that were open the arena category, that pick was just insane.


OK, I get it, you don't like it. Perhaps you can move on now, Mr. "I'm Gonna Mention It 37 Times in This Thread". :p

Subby 02-24-2007 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1402149)
9.2 - What's Going On?, 4 Non Blondes - Lathum

Not that name of the song...missed it if someone already mentioned that.

st.cronin 02-24-2007 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69 (Post 1402173)
OK, I get it, you don't like it. Perhaps you can move on now, Mr. "I'm Gonna Mention It 37 Times in This Thread". :p


Its not the song I don't like, its Gary Glitter.

Lathum 02-24-2007 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Subby (Post 1402174)
Not that name of the song...missed it if someone already mentioned that.


technicaly it's called whats up

Subby 02-24-2007 07:51 PM

Crossover Hit

1.8 - Walk This Way, Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith - lordscarlet
3.5 - Ring of Fire, Johnny Cash - Maple Leafs
4.5 - I Can't Stop Loving You, Ray Charles - ntndeacon
4.7 - Superstition, Stevie Wonder - Butter_of_69
6.8 - Lose Yourself, Eminem - NoMyths
9.1 - The Devil Went Down to Georgia, Charlie Daniels Band - Subby
9.10 - Epic, Faith No More - Oilers9911
10.2 - Ode to Billie Joe, Bobbie Gentry - Buccaneer
10.4 - On The Road Again, Willie Nelson - vtbub
10.9 - Lathum

Buccaneer 02-24-2007 07:52 PM

There was a song I wanted to put in under Epic but I wondered what you guys thought. I'll wait until we're done to ask.

Maple Leafs 02-24-2007 08:50 PM

I took my all-time favorite band with my first pick, so I might as well take my second favorite with my last pick.

This one may not have the instant recognition factor of the others... I suspect you had to be young in the early 90s to really get it. I remember going to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in like 1997 when they had a display on youth anthems from each decade, and this song was #2 behind Smell Like Teen Spirit for the 90s. I'm not sure it's held up all that well over time, but it still kicks ass and was also the breakout hit for one of the most critically acclaimed acts of the last 15 years.

And besides, as Rage Against the Machine would later demonstrate to perfection, nothing really makes a great anti-establishment song like a course you can chant at the top of your lungs when you're drunk.

Bow down before the one you serve, you're going to get what you deserve...

Classic - 8.6 - What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong
Epic - 5.5 - Thriller - Michael Jackson
Arena - 1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle - Guns N' Roses
Trendsetter - 2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel - Elvis Presley
Love Song - 6.6 Unchained Melody - The Righteous Brothers
One-Hit Wonder - 9.5 - 99 Luftballons - Nena
Party - 4.6 - 1999 - Prince
Crossover - 3.5 - Ring of Fire - Johnny Cash
Cover - 7.5 - Burning Down the House - Tom Jones & The Cardigans
Anti-Establishment - 10.5 - Head Like a Hole - Nine Inch Nails

Maple Leafs 02-24-2007 08:52 PM

Butter_of_69's choice

Classic - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - 9.4
Epic - Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen, 1.4
Arena - Rock and Roll (Part Two) - Gary Glitter, 3.4
Trendsetter - Heart of Glass - Blondie - 8.7
Love Song - My Girl - The Temptations, 6.7
One-Hit Wonder - Take On Me - a-ha - 10.7
Party - Celebration - Kool and the Gang, 5.4
Crossover - Superstition - Stevie Wonder, 4.7
Killing Me Softly - The Fugees - Cover, 7.4
Anti-Establishment - Anarchy in the UK - Sex Pistols, 2.7

st.cronin 02-24-2007 08:53 PM

Not a bad song, but I'm baffled by how it fits the category.

NoMyths 02-24-2007 09:17 PM

What do I like best about my final pick, for Party song? The most famous simile in at least the last fifteen years worth of music? The crossover appeal? The fact that it's an eminently enjoyable tune? Or the fact that unlike most songs that are associated with parties, this one wouldn't be banned on my iPod (Exhibit A: Celebration. Brrrrr). Since my explanations haven't really meant much thus far, I suppose I'm just entertaining myself at this point...but at least I've got a great playlist to pass the time, topped off by this raucous burst of energy:

Classic - 1.3 - Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan
Epic - 3.3 - The End - The Doors
Arena - 4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name - U2
Trendsetter - 2.8 - Respect - Aretha Franklin
Love Song - 7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe - Barry White
One-Hit Wonder - 8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American) - Lee Greenwood
Party - 10-8 - Hey Ya - OutKast
Crossover - 6.8 - Lose Yourself - Eminem
Cover - 9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U - Sinead O'Connor
Anti-Establishment - 5.3 - Fortunate Son - Creedence Clearwater Revival

Lathum 02-24-2007 09:21 PM

I think you all will be happy that I am broadining my horizons with this pick. It was one of the first songs that combined rap with hard core metal. SLAM by ONYX and BIOHAZARD

Classic -Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix- 3.2
Epic - BaBa O'reilly ( also known as teenage wasteland)- The Who - 2.9
Arena - Iron Man- Black Sabbath- 6.9
Trendsetter - Smells Like Teen Spirit- Nirvana- 1.2
Love Song - At Last- Eda James - 4.9 ( heard at every wedding)
One-Hit Wonder - Four Non Blondes - Whats Going On? - 9.2
Party - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer - George Thorogood - 7.2
Crossover - Slam-Onyx and Biohazard-10.9
Cover - A little help from my friends - Joe Cocker - 8.9
Anti-Establishment -American Idiot-Green Day 5.2

KevinNU7 02-24-2007 09:44 PM

Let's get this last pick out of the way so I can post my list :)

Lathum 02-24-2007 09:48 PM

I think it's important for everyone to remember hindsight is 20/20

KevinNU7 02-24-2007 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1402270)
I think it's important for everyone to remember hindsight is 20/20

My picks are avoiding the selection of the 100+ artists already selected.

KevinNU7 02-24-2007 10:09 PM

Imagine my picks as some who in the previous year had traded all their picks away for Ricky Williams and then he was thrown off the team so I had to build a team from undrafted players

Maple Leafs 02-24-2007 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinNU7 (Post 1402283)
Imagine my picks as some who in the previous year had traded all their picks away for Ricky Williams and then he was thrown off the team so I had to build a team from undrafted players

Empty cupboard?

KevinNU7 02-24-2007 10:18 PM

I have never played FOF so I'm not sure what that means. Just imagine that I have every pick in Round 11.

adubroff 02-24-2007 10:24 PM

Yeah, it's the old Island of Misfit Toys concept...I am gonna try a list myself too so it will be interesting to see where we overlap if at all...I think there's a lot of good choices left...

ntndeacon 02-24-2007 10:24 PM

you will have some good people to choose from, Kevin

KevinNU7 02-24-2007 10:30 PM

I'm looking forward to revealing. I think it's better then a few of the 10 competitors.

ntndeacon 02-24-2007 10:37 PM

I have thought about doing one as well just to see what was out there

ntndeacon 02-24-2007 10:38 PM

remember to have two women singers at least Kevin :D

KevinNU7 02-24-2007 10:43 PM

I have 3 female leads and 1 female vocalist who is not listed as a lead but she performers mutiple verses of the song and is found all over the album

st.cronin 02-24-2007 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinNU7 (Post 1402312)
I have 3 female leads and 1 female vocalist who is not listed as a lead but she performers mutiple verses of the song and is found all over the album


ah ha ha I bet I know who you're talking about

KevinNU7 02-24-2007 10:55 PM

PM me

Warhammer 02-24-2007 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1401897)
Some times I feel like I've got to
Run away I've got to
Get Away!

Classic -
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash


I was waiting to see when this would go. I would have used it as a cover personally, but since you already have Proud Mary there, I can't complain.

lordscarlet 02-24-2007 11:04 PM

Finally! A crossover true to the definition.

Warhammer 02-24-2007 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oilers9911 (Post 1401988)
With pick 9.10 I am pleased to select as my crossover song Faith No More - Epic. Rapcore at its finest.

Classic - 1.10 Hotel California - The Eagles
Epic - 2.1 American Pie - Don McLean
Arena - 6.1 Arena - Rock and Roll All Night - Kiss
Trendsetter - 8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop - The Ramones
Love Song - 5.10 - My Heart Will Go On (Theme from Titanic) - Celine Dion
One-Hit Wonder - 3.10 Macarena - Los Del Rio
Party - 7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll - Bob Seger
Crossover - 9.10 - Epic - Faith No More
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 4.1 We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister


Brilliant pick, was wondering if someone was going to take it.

cthomer5000 02-24-2007 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buccaneer (Post 1401967)
One of the greatest true epic songs:

Epic - 2112 - Rush

undeniably awesome, but i expect it to be punished by the voters.

ISiddiqui 02-25-2007 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin (Post 1402220)
Not a bad song, but I'm baffled by how it fits the category.


I assume you are talking about "Head Like a Hole" (great song, btw) here. It's basically an anti-consumerist song. And one can see it as against the capitalist society that makes money a God.

KevinNU7 02-25-2007 06:30 AM

God money Ill do anything for you.
God money just tell me what you want me to.
God money nail me up against the wall.
God money dont want everything he wants it all.

No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

God moneys not looking for the cure.
God moneys not concerned with the sick among the pure.
God money lets go dancing on the backs of the bruised.
God moneys not one to choose
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me
No you cant take it
No you cant take it
No you cant take that away from me

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve.
Youre going to get what you deserve.

You know who you are.

Looks easily Anti-Establishment to me

Subby 02-25-2007 07:20 AM

And with the final pick of the 2007 FOFC Music Draft, the Virginia Subbys select I Want Candy - Bow Wow Wow and place it in the one-hit wonder category. Great early MTV staple with awesome special effects!

Classic - Stairway to Heaven, Led Zeppelin (1-1)
Epic - Freebird, Lynyrd Skynyrd (3-1)
Arena - Ozzy Osbourne, Mama I'm Coming Home (8-10)
Trendsetter - Like a Virgin, Madonna (6-10)
Love Song - Lola, The Kinks (5-1)
One-Hit Wonder - I Want Candy, Bow Wow Wow (10.10)
Party - O.P.P., Naughty By Nature (7-1)
Crossover - The Charlie Daniels Band, The Devil Went Down to Georgia (9-1)
Cover - You Really Got Me, Van Halen (4-10)
Anti-Establishment - Fuck Tha Police, N.W.A. (2-10)

KevinNU7 02-25-2007 07:47 AM

Classic - Sweet Caroline, Neil Diamond
Epic - Paradise by the Dashboard light, Meatloaf
Arena - Living on a Prayer, Bon Jovi
Trendsetter - Hit me baby one more time, Brittney Spears
Love Song - Let's get it on, Marvin Gaye
One-Hit Wonder - Electric Slide, Marcia Griffiths
Party - Pour some sugar on me, Def-Leopard
Crossover - Crazy in Love, Beyonce & Jay-z
Cover - Sweet Dreams, Marilyn Manson
Anti-establishment - Say It Loud (I'm black and I'm proud), James Brown

Classic - I had a lot to chose from here but ultimately went with the Fenway Park favourite as tribute to my last month in Boston. I have no idea how this will do with voters outside of New England

Epic - This song kicks all kinds of ass. This is easily my favourite pick out of the whole list. I think this song is probably Top 4 epic out of all the ones picked

Arena - Dude no one pick Bon Jovi, what is wrong with you people

Trendsetter - She started the whorey-pop trend and is now working on crazy bald chick trend. Look out world!

Love Song - This category is about making babies, and other than Barry White there is no song that has created more babies

One-Hit Wonder - So many great songs to chose from. I decided to go with the first ever line dance. It's horrible, it is still being played at everything. You know all the words, and don't kid yourself you know the dance

Party - Def-fucking-leopard, again what is wrong with you people. I mean this category is about sex, drugs, rock n roll not a wedding song that gets grandma off the floor to dance with all the middle age women who are trying to relive their 20s.

Crossover - This pick is shitty, I know. I can't think of any goods ones that were not picked already. The best one was picked in round 1 anyways and no others are even close. I could have gone with about 10 lame songs for the last 5 years so I ended up going with two people who are very recognizable and a song that was #1 for a while

Cover - My thing with Covers is the original needs to be know and be a hit in its own right. The cover should also be successful and really be a tribute to the artist making the song his own. With that said I hate both versions of this song but both were hits.

Anti-establishment - James Brown needs to be picked and this is not only a great song but fits nicely with the race issues at the time of its release

lordscarlet 02-25-2007 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinNU7 (Post 1402417)
Epic - This song kicks all kinds of ass. This is easily my favourite pick out of the whole list. I think this song is probably Top 4 epic out of all the ones picked


I had this on my list of possibles, I just didn't think it was that great.


Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinNU7 (Post 1402417)
Trendsetter - She started the whorey-pop trend and is now working on crazy bald chick trend. Look out world!


Didn't we already say Madonna started that trend?

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinNU7 (Post 1402417)
One-Hit Wonder - So many great songs to chose from. I decided to go with the first ever line dance. It's horrible, it is still being played at everything. You know all the words, and don't kid yourself you know the dance


Ummmm. No. That is just 1,000% inaccurate.

Overall some good picks. I think it's very different to pick at the end than during the event, but good nonetheless. One thing is the worry about "blocking" people and being "blocked." You generally picked some good artists, so I can't use this excuse much, but I don't think anyone would have been worried about someone else taking Neil Diamond or Brittney Spears. :) (This is primarily just me making an excuse, I think they're good picks -- A number of them were on my "short list" including "Sweet Dreams" and Meat Loaf)

Lathum 02-25-2007 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1402333)
Finally! A crossover true to the definition.


are you taling about onyx/ Biohazard?

KevinNU7 02-25-2007 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lordscarlet (Post 1402421)
Didn't we already say Madonna started that trend?

If Madona started that trend it took a nice 10 year break after she came out before anyone else did it.

KevinNU7 02-25-2007 08:47 AM

And the electric slide was a pure cheese selection, there are tons to pick from. I think it is a very difficult category because you could go all over the place

oykib 02-25-2007 09:10 AM

I'll throw in a list of undrafteds:

Classic - White Christmas - Bing Crosby
Epic - Mr. Roboto - Styx
Arena - California Dreamin' - The Mamas and the Papas
Trendsetter - Superfly - Curtis Mayfield
Love Song - Stand by Me - Ben E King
One-Hit Wonder - True - Spandau Ballet
Party - Let's Groove Tonight - Earth, Wind and Fire
Crossover - How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
Cover - La Bamba - Los Lobos
Anti-Establishment - Land of Confusion - Genesis

vtbub 02-25-2007 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by oykib (Post 1402453)
I'll throw in a list of undrafteds:

Classic - White Christmas - Bing Crosby
Epic - Mr. Roboto - Styx
Arena - California Dreamin' - The Mamas and the Papas
Trendsetter - Superfly - Curtis Mayfield
Love Song - Stand by Me - Ben E King
One-Hit Wonder - True - Spandau Ballet
Party - Let's Groove Tonight - Earth, Wind and Fire
Crossover - How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
Cover - La Bamba - Los Lobos
Anti-Establishment - Land of Confusion - Genesis



Those bottom 3 are great. I toyed with LeAnn for my crossover. Blue was a great song and was a rairity on the country charts as well, being an actual country song as supposed to bad pop with a steel guitar.

KevinNU7 02-25-2007 09:14 AM

Nice crossover pick. And you didn't use any of my artist which makes it cooler.

lordscarlet 02-25-2007 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1402429)
are you taling about onyx/ Biohazard?


You are correct, sir. :)

oykib 02-25-2007 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinNU7 (Post 1402458)
Nice crossover pick. And you didn't use any of my artist which makes it cooler.


The ones I had the most trouble with were Arena and Epic. Toyed with Mrs. Robinson for both. But I needed another girl. And I just like "Mr. Roboto."

oykib 02-25-2007 09:37 AM

And Thanks for the compliment.

I thik it's between LS and Subby. Subby really finished strong. I still go for LS, though.

adubroff 02-25-2007 09:45 AM

Scoring
 
I'm going to score max 10 pts per category. I also added a "Misfit Toy" in each slot, based on what's still available at this juncture. I complied with the two woman rule, just for fun.

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Classic
1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby - 10
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths - 9
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub - 9
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911 -9
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer -9
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum - 6
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet -6
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs - 9
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69 - 8
10.5 My Way, Frank Sinatra - ntdeacon - 9


I think Stairway frequently ranks up there in any ranking of all time rock songs. I think it's the most "perfect" song on this list...innovative, stands test of time, interesting lyrics performed by a wonderful voice. Rolling Stone is a favorite, but let's face it folks, Dylan doesn't have a great voice. I think the Beatles are the number one rock band of all time, but for a single outing, I think the Stairway is Don Larsen's perfect game in the world series...well, had that been thrown by a pitcher who was a hall of famer without having thrown it. Great value in round ten to get My Way.

Misfit Toy: Every Breath You Take, The Police. For my money, the best song not thus far selected.

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Epic
1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen - Butter_of_69 - 9
2.1 - American Pie, Don McLean - Oilers9911 - 9
2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall, Pink Floyd - ntdeacon - 10
2.9 - Baba O'Riley, The Who - Lathum - 8
3.1 - Free Bird, Lynyrd Skynyrd - Subby - 9
3.3 - The End, The Doors - NoMyths - 7
3.7 - Layla, Derek and the Dominoes - vtbub - 8
5.5 - Thriller, Michael Jackson - Maple Leafs - 9
6.3 - Space Oddity, David Bowie - lordscarlet -9
9.9 - 2112, Rush - Buccaneer - 9



I think Another Brick in the Wall is the most Epic...it's just a big sounding conceptual piece that feels "Epic-y" to me, though I find this a hard category to score and though about awarding it to American Pie several times...and briefly about Freebird.

Misfit Toy: Paradise By the Dashboard Light, Big and orchestral, long and winding. Cheesy too...

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Arena
1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle, Guns 'N Roses - Maple Leafs - 9
3.4 - Rock and Roll (Part Two), Gary Glitter - Butter_of_69 - 5
3.9 - Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen - Buccaneer - 7
4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name, U2 - NoMyths - 7
5.8 - You Shook Me All Night Long, AC/DC - lordscarlet - 9
6.1 - Rock and Roll All Night, Kiss - Oilers9911 - 9
6.4 - Enter Sandman, Metallica - vtbub - 10
6.5 - Do You Feel Like We Do, Peter Frampton - ntdeacon - 8
6.9 - Iron Man, Black Sabbath - Lathum - 9
8.10 - Mama I'm Coming Home, Ozzy Osbourne - Subby - 9

I think of Arena rock as a great concert song in a big venue...usually I think that means metal....I love Bruce as much or more as anybody, but I don't think this is a good category for him (nor is it his best entrant for the category, Born to Run). I am not sure what to do with Gary Glitter (other than keep him away form your kids), his song is played repeated in Arenas, but not live....

Misfit Toy: Alive, Pearl Jam.

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Trendsetter
1.2 - Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana - Lathum - 10
1.6 - Good Vibrations, The Beach Boys - ntdeacon -9
2.3 - Rapper's Delight, The Sugarhill Gang - lordscarlet - 9
2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel, Elvis Presley - Maple Leafs - 8
2.6 - Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and The Comets - vtbub -8
2.8 - Respect, Aretha Franklin - NoMyths -5
6.2 - Johnny B. Goode, Chuck Berry - Buccaneer - 8
6.10 - Like a Virgin, Madonna - Subby - 8
8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop, The Ramones - Oilers9911 - 8
8.7 - Heart of Glass, Blondie - Butter_of_69 - 8

This category is the one which sparks the most debate. In the end, my criteria is which song did the most to popularize it's a significant suceeding music movement...had this been a tie, I would have looked at the size of the movement. In my mind, it's not that close to look at the second criteria. Madonna gets an 8 from me because I think she's largely responsible for the MTV based musician.

Misfit Toy: Money for Nothing, Dire Straits - Money the album was the first big CD and the video was groundbreaking.

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Love Song
4.2 - Imagine, John Lennon - Buccaneer - 5
4.9 - At Last, Etta James - Lathum - 9
5.1 - Lola, The Kinks - Subby - 5
5.7 - My Love, Paul McCartney - vtbub -8
5.10 - My Heart Will Go On, Celine Dion -8
6.6 - Unchained Melody, Righteous Brothers - Maple Leafs - 10
6.7 - My Girl, The Temptations - Butter_of_69 - 8
7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe, Barry White - NoMyths -8
7.6 - Baby Love, The Supremes - ntdeacon - 7
7.8 - Unforgettable, Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole - lordscarlet -8

Giving Imagine a 5 is painful to me, I can't do any better in this category. Lola also...it's too goofy to be a love song. I went with Unchained after tossing it about with At Last for a long time....In the end, I went with Unchained Melody because it's slightly more recognizable I think...I had Baby Love on the eight level for a long time, but took a point because the song is kinda bitter/angry really.

Misfit Toy: In Your Eyes, Peter Gabriel - I know even reading the song title will make you want to go find a boom box to hold up. I think this song could have won this category had somebody picked it.

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Party Song
4.3 - (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party), Beastie Boys - lordscarlet - 9
4.6 - 1999, Prince - Maple Leafs - 9
5.4 - Celebration, Kool and the Gang - Butter_of_69 - 10
7.1 - O.P.P., Naughty by Nature - Subby - 8
7.2 - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer, George Thorogood - Lathum - 9
7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll, Bob Seger - Oilers9911 - 9
8.2 - Girls,Girls,Girls, Motley Crue - Buccaneer - 9
8.4 - Louie Louie, The Kingsman - vtbub - 9
8.5 - Shout, The Isley Brothers - ntdeacon - 9
10.8 - Hey Ya - Outkast - NoMyths - 7

I give it to Celebration because it's been played at every wedding for the last 25 years.....This is a group with a lot of parity.
Misfit Toy: Margaritaville, Jimmy Buffett - Not just a song but now a restaurant chain.
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Cover - Final
4.4 - I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston - vtbub -8
4.10 - You Really Got Me, Van Halen - Subby -7
5.6 - Proud Mary, Ike and Tina Turner - ntdeacon - 9
7.4 - Killing Me Softly, The Fugees - Butter_of_69 -7
7.5 - Burning Down the House, Tom Jones & The Cardigans - Maple Leafs - 7
7.9 - I Love Rock 'N Roll, Joan Jett - Buccaneer - 10
8.9 - A Little Help From My Friends, Joe Cocker - Lathum - 7
9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U, Sinead O'Connor - NoMyths - 9
10.1 - Sweet Jane, Cowboy Junkies - Oilers9911 - 7
10.3 - I Shot the Sheriff, Eric Clapton - lordscarlet - 7
I think of a great cover as one where the cover eclipses the original. As such, I have to give this to I Love Rock and Roll. I didn't even know it was a cover until it was nominated here. Proud Mary and Nothing Compares to you get high marks on that criteria as well (since the song they are eclipsing in each case is by a huge, impactful artist).
Misfit Toy: Blinded By the Light, Mannfred Mann's Earth Band....fits my criteria of obscuring a huge artist.
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One Hit Wonder
3.10 Macarena, Los Del Rio - Oilers9911 -8
5.9 - Baby Got Back, Sir Mix-a-Lot - Buccaneer - 8
8.8 - God Bless the U.S.A. (I'm Proud To Be An American), Lee Greenwood - NoMyths - 0
9.2 - What's Going On?, 4 Non Blondes - Lathum -8
9.5 - 99 Luftballoons, Nena - Maple Leafs - 9
9.8 - Mickey, Toni Basil - lordscarlet - 8
9.7 - Walking on Sunshine, Katrina and the Waves - vtbub - 8
9.6 - Tainted Love, Soft Cell - ntndeacon - 10
10.7 - Take On Me - a-ha - Butter_of_69 - 7
10.10 - I Want Candy - Bow Wow Wow - Subby - 9
This category (besides the obvious zero) is a tough one to judge. I think Tainted Love is the best song of the group, that's why I gave it the 10. A-ha takes a minor cut for remaining popular in other parts of the world after Take on Me.
Misfit Toy: They Don't Know, Tracy Ullman - I like her as a choice because she obviously did have other hits in another field, so she presents irony factor. The song is really catchy as well and I don't know how much work they needed to do on her voice but it sounds excellent.

Quote:

Anti-Establishment
1.9 - Fight the Power, Public Enemy - Buccaneer - 9
2.7 - Anarchy in the UK, The Sex Pistols - Butter_of_69 -10
2.10 - Fuck tha Police, N.W.A. - Subby - 9
3.6 - London Calling, The Clash - ntndeacon -9
3.8 - Killing in the Name, Rage Against the Machine - lordscarlet-9
4.1 - We're Not Gonna Take It, Twisted Sister - Oilers9911 - 9
5.2 - American Idiot, Green Day - Lathum -8
5.3 - Fortunate Son, Creedence Clearwater Revival - NoMyths - 9
7.6 - Cop Killer, Body Count - vtbub -9
10.6 - Head Like a Hole - Nine Inch Nails - Maple Leafs - 8


Another tight category. All of these songs are Anti Establishment. For me, the most anti establishment of the group is Anarchy is the most angry and snarling of the group, but if this is a kennel, all these dogs can bite.
Misfit Toy: Ohio, CSNY- I think this song is more representative of the anti Vietnam sentiment than CCR's Fortunate Son which made that list. I think this song, if it had been selected could have won this category.

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Crossover Hit
1.8 - Walk This Way, Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith - lordscarlet - 10
3.5 - Ring of Fire, Johnny Cash - Maple Leafs - 7
4.5 - I Can't Stop Loving You, Ray Charles - ntndeacon - 8
4.7 - Superstition, Stevie Wonder - Butter_of_69 - 8
6.8 - Lose Yourself, Eminem - NoMyths - 9
9.1 - The Devil Went Down to Georgie, Charlie Daniels Band - Subby - 6
9.10 - Epic, Faith No More - Oilers9911 - 9
10.2 - Ode to Billie Joe, Bobbie Gentry - Buccaneer - 6
10.4 - On The Road Again, Willie Nelson - vtbub - 6
10.9 - Slam-Onyx and Biohazard - Lathum - 8

Sucess in this category involves the artist singing in a style for which they aren't known in my mind, although I'm sure some will read it differently. Thus the low marks for Devil, Billy Joe and On The Road, where I still think the country artists are singing country (it's just country that got popular). Walk This Way wins for me because you two huge bands working out of Genre in different portions....
Misfit Toy: Man, I feel Like a Woman, Shania Twain - Considered Melissa Etheridge and Leann Rhymes also, but in the end, who wouldn't want to have Shania on their team.

Final Totals, in a real close race(edited, I miscounted Deacon):
NtDeacon - 88
MapleLeafs 85
LordScarlet 84
vtbub - 83
Lathum - 82
Butter - 80
Subby - 80
Buccaneer - 78
Oilers - 77
NoMyths 65

cthomer5000 02-25-2007 09:53 AM

I was going to choose an undrafted team, and you just snagged most of the ones I had in mind. I was absolutely stunned that no-one chose "In Your Eyes" by Gabriel. Big mistake, IMHO. Solid overall artist, huge song, and you get the bonus 80s tie-in from stuff like Say Anything and every other movie it's been used in.

vtbub 02-25-2007 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adubroff (Post 1402480)
Sucess in this category involves the artist singing in a style for which they aren't known in my mind, although I'm sure some will read it differently. Thus the low marks for Devil, Billy Joe and On The Road, where I still think the country artists are singing country (it's just country that got popular). Walk This Way wins for me because you two huge bands working out of Genre in different portions....
Misfit Toy: Man, I feel Like a Woman, Shania Twain - Considered Melissa Etheridge and Leann Rhymes also, but in the end, who wouldn't want to have Shania on their team.


First off, great job. There are some real solid teams here, and I think trying to grade them is a tough task.

My question here isn't really with my pick for a crossover, but Subby's. That's more of a Southern Fried rocker than a pure country, although I think we interpeted the definition of crossover a bit different.

Also, say I had gone with Dolly Parton's 9 to 5 or Dolly and Kenny Rogers Islands in the Stream, would that have met your definition better?

Not trying to be picky, you did a great job.

CU Tiger 02-25-2007 10:17 AM

Just a couple thoughts

#1 When a man loves a woman for love song?
#2 No one picked a Grateful Dead song...not sure which one where but damn there are a lot of dead heads...
#3 Jimmy Buffet...Same as #2.
#3 Pearl Jam - last kiss for cover

vtbub 02-25-2007 10:22 AM

I thought about taking the dead for my anti-establishment one, since they were the ultimate a-e rock band. The problem was finding a single.

(Wasn't Dylan on Touch of Grey?)

Daimyo 02-25-2007 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adubroff (Post 1402480)
Misfit Toy: Ohio, CSNY- I think this song is more representative of the anti Vietnam sentiment than CCR's Fortunate Son which made that list. I think this song, if it had been selected could have won this category.

Agreed. I kept waiting for someone to take it. Someone even mentioned it near the end and it still made it through.

adubroff 02-25-2007 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtbub (Post 1402492)
Also, say I had gone with Dolly Parton's 9 to 5 or Dolly and Kenny Rogers Islands in the Stream, would that have met your definition better?

Not trying to be picky, you did a great job.


That's one of the less cut and dried categories, so scoring it is tough. I think it certainly can be read as "artist from specialty genre achieving mainstream success", but that isn't how I read it.

I think both of these songs would have suffered for the same reasons for me. I was more looking for something along the lines of "Picture" by Kid Rock/Sheryl Crow, "Rapture" by Blondie, or "Honky Cat" by Elton John.

Surtt 02-25-2007 10:29 AM

Just for the heck of it:
Some of the songs I was expecting.


Classic - Heartbreaker -Pat benatar
Epic - Paradise by the dashboard light - Meat Loaf
Arena - Money for Nothing - Dire Straits
Trendsetter - Rock the Boat - Hues Corporation (first Disco song)
Love Song - The Rose - Bette Midler
One-Hit Wonder - Smoking in the Boys Room - Brownsville Station
Party - Life's Been Good To Me (So Far) - Joe Walsh
Crossover - Margaritaville - Jimmy Buffet
Cover - Me and Bobby McGee - Janice Joplin
Anti-Establishment - Ohio - Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

adubroff 02-25-2007 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CU Tiger (Post 1402493)
Just a couple thoughts

#1 When a man loves a woman for love song?
#2 No one picked a Grateful Dead song...not sure which one where but damn there are a lot of dead heads...
#3 Jimmy Buffet...Same as #2.
#3 Pearl Jam - last kiss for cover


When I was doing my Misfit Toys I really thought about Pearl Jam's Jeremy as Antiestablishment song too...

I think there are some more strong groups that didn't make the list and I just couldn't quite find a spot for them:

REM - thought about maybe Radio Free Europe as a trendsetter(Indy Music)...
Simon and Garfunkel - Thought about Mrs Robinson as the classic or possibly Bridge over Troubled Water (might have been a decent Epic Too).
Bonjovi - was mentioned in the thread already but there are a bunch of Bonjovi songs that could have been slotted and competed.

I think musc is so deep that you could draft another ten rounds and fill slots with strong choices.

ntndeacon 02-25-2007 12:37 PM

I actually did a misfit toys as well. the crossover one is the one that I was hving trouble with. tried to stay away from popular country hits. endd up with a rock standard that transfered into the country charts

Classic - Sunshine of My Love--Cream
Epic - Ballad of the Edmund Fitzgerald--Gordon Lightfoot
Arena - Rock you like a Hurricane--Scorpions
Trendsetter - Papa’s Got A Brand New Bag--James Brown
Love Song - Lets Stay Together -- Al Green
One-Hit Wonder - Come On Eileen--Dexy’s Midnight Runners
Party - Dancing in the Street-- Martha and the Vandellas
Crossover - Me and Bobby McGee--Janis Joplin
Cover - American Woman--Lenny Kravitz
Anti-Establishment - What’s Going on? Marvin Gaye

Oilers9911 02-25-2007 12:38 PM

Good job dude, but I added up 85 for me :)



Quote:

Originally Posted by adubroff (Post 1402480)
I'm going to score max 10 pts per category. I also added a "Misfit Toy" in each slot, based on what's still available at this juncture. I complied with the two woman rule, just for fun.



I think Stairway frequently ranks up there in any ranking of all time rock songs. I think it's the most "perfect" song on this list...innovative, stands test of time, interesting lyrics performed by a wonderful voice. Rolling Stone is a favorite, but let's face it folks, Dylan doesn't have a great voice. I think the Beatles are the number one rock band of all time, but for a single outing, I think the Stairway is Don Larsen's perfect game in the world series...well, had that been thrown by a pitcher who was a hall of famer without having thrown it. Great value in round ten to get My Way.

Misfit Toy: Every Breath You Take, The Police. For my money, the best song not thus far selected.



I think Another Brick in the Wall is the most Epic...it's just a big sounding conceptual piece that feels "Epic-y" to me, though I find this a hard category to score and though about awarding it to American Pie several times...and briefly about Freebird.

Misfit Toy: Paradise By the Dashboard Light, Big and orchestral, long and winding. Cheesy too...



I think of Arena rock as a great concert song in a big venue...usually I think that means metal....I love Bruce as much or more as anybody, but I don't think this is a good category for him (nor is it his best entrant for the category, Born to Run). I am not sure what to do with Gary Glitter (other than keep him away form your kids), his song is played repeated in Arenas, but not live....

Misfit Toy: Alive, Pearl Jam.



This category is the one which sparks the most debate. In the end, my criteria is which song did the most to popularize it's a significant suceeding music movement...had this been a tie, I would have looked at the size of the movement. In my mind, it's not that close to look at the second criteria. Madonna gets an 8 from me because I think she's largely responsible for the MTV based musician.

Misfit Toy: Money for Nothing, Dire Straits - Money the album was the first big CD and the video was groundbreaking.



Giving Imagine a 5 is painful to me, I can't do any better in this category. Lola also...it's too goofy to be a love song. I went with Unchained after tossing it about with At Last for a long time....In the end, I went with Unchained Melody because it's slightly more recognizable I think...I had Baby Love on the eight level for a long time, but took a point because the song is kinda bitter/angry really.

Misfit Toy: In Your Eyes, Peter Gabriel - I know even reading the song title will make you want to go find a boom box to hold up. I think this song could have won this category had somebody picked it.


I give it to Celebration because it's been played at every wedding for the last 25 years.....This is a group with a lot of parity.
Misfit Toy: Margaritaville, Jimmy Buffett - Not just a song but now a restaurant chain.

I think of a great cover as one where the cover eclipses the original. As such, I have to give this to I Love Rock and Roll. I didn't even know it was a cover until it was nominated here. Proud Mary and Nothing Compares to you get high marks on that criteria as well (since the song they are eclipsing in each case is by a huge, impactful artist).
Misfit Toy: Blinded By the Light, Mannfred Mann's Earth Band....fits my criteria of obscuring a huge artist.

This category (besides the obvious zero) is a tough one to judge. I think Tainted Love is the best song of the group, that's why I gave it the 10. A-ha takes a minor cut for remaining popular in other parts of the world after Take on Me.
Misfit Toy: They Don't Know, Tracy Ullman - I like her as a choice because she obviously did have other hits in another field, so she presents irony factor. The song is really catchy as well and I don't know how much work they needed to do on her voice but it sounds excellent.



Another tight category. All of these songs are Anti Establishment. For me, the most anti establishment of the group is Anarchy is the most angry and snarling of the group, but if this is a kennel, all these dogs can bite.
Misfit Toy: Ohio, CSNY- I think this song is more representative of the anti Vietnam sentiment than CCR's Fortunate Son which made that list. I think this song, if it had been selected could have won this category.



Sucess in this category involves the artist singing in a style for which they aren't known in my mind, although I'm sure some will read it differently. Thus the low marks for Devil, Billy Joe and On The Road, where I still think the country artists are singing country (it's just country that got popular). Walk This Way wins for me because you two huge bands working out of Genre in different portions....
Misfit Toy: Man, I feel Like a Woman, Shania Twain - Considered Melissa Etheridge and Leann Rhymes also, but in the end, who wouldn't want to have Shania on their team.

Final Totals, in a real close race:
MapleLeafs 85
LordScarlet 84
vtbub - 83
Lathum - 82
Butter - 80
NtDeacon - 80
Subby - 80
Buccaneer - 78
Oilers - 77
NoMyths 65


ntndeacon 02-25-2007 12:40 PM

and i add up 88 for me

Oilers9911 02-25-2007 12:41 PM

SO the verdict is great write up but poor math skills :)

ntndeacon 02-25-2007 12:50 PM

Well istill don't like his definition of a great cover.

ntndeacon 02-25-2007 12:53 PM

I still think a cover should be identifiable at least as much as the original. I did not even know that I love Rock and Roll was performed before Joan Jett got her hands on it. Just like I would not have called Tainted love a cover.

lordscarlet 02-25-2007 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1402569)
I still think a cover should be identifiable at least as much as the original. I did not even know that I love Rock and Roll was performed before Joan Jett got her hands on it. Just like I would not have called Tainted love a cover.


I agree. A cover should have a recognizable original or else it's just you performing a song someone else wrote. Just about every country song had an original writer that performed a demo tape version of it at a minimum.

adubroff 02-25-2007 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon (Post 1402564)
and i add up 88 for me


You are correct...I think I missed a category on you somehow....

Daimyo 02-25-2007 01:45 PM

My misfit toys lineup:

Classic - Mrs Robinson - Simon and Garfunkel
Epic - Aenema - Tool
Arena - Alive - Pearl Jam
Trendsetter - Radio Free Europe - R.E.M.
Love Song - Time after Time - Cyndi Lauper
One-Hit Wonder - Louie Louie - The Kingsmen
Party - Dancing in the Street - Martha and the Vandellas
Crossover - (Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay - Otis Redding
Cover - I Will Survive - Cake
Anti-Establishment - Ohio - CSNY

Daimyo 02-25-2007 01:48 PM

DOLA, epic was probably the hardest to fill and crossover the hardest to understand the meaning of (I went with an artist achieving mainstream success with a stylistic departure for my pick there).

Neuqua 02-25-2007 01:52 PM

My biggest dissapointment is that Bon Jovi wasn't selected by any of the teams :(

adubroff 02-25-2007 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daimyo (Post 1402593)
My misfit toys lineup:
Love Song - Time after Time - Cyndi Lauper


No She Bop?

wade moore 02-25-2007 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daimyo (Post 1402594)
DOLA, epic was probably the hardest to fill and crossover the hardest to understand the meaning of (I went with an artist achieving mainstream success with a stylistic departure for my pick there).


While I understand your crossover definition, it's not the one Maple Leafs laid out in the rules.

Daimyo 02-25-2007 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wade moore (Post 1402600)
While I understand your crossover definition, it's not the one Maple Leafs laid out in the rules.

Sure, but only a few of the drafted songs even fit that definition.

Subby 02-25-2007 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neuqua (Post 1402596)
My biggest dissapointment is that Bon Jovi wasn't selected by any of the teams :(

That was my backup for Arena in case Ozzy was taken.

I would have taken Meatloaf for my epic if Freebird hadn't still been around in round 3.

Maple Leafs 02-25-2007 02:28 PM

Given that many people are interpreting Crossover to be someone from achieving mainstream success from another genre, I'm shocked that (unless I missed it) we've had zero mention of Garth Brooks.

Also, given that a woman was required, I had a deep sense of dread that someone would take Sweet Child of Mine by Sheryl Crowe as a cover. If they had, I was going to delete the thread.

ntndeacon 02-25-2007 02:39 PM

i figured Crossover would be pretty hard to fill, which is why iwent with Ray Charles. I can't stop Loving you is definately not in his normal genre.

wade moore 02-25-2007 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daimyo (Post 1402601)
Sure, but only a few of the drafted songs even fit that definition.

Which is why I think all but a few should be punished for their pick.


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