lonely...im soo lonely...i have nobody, to share my cell with ;)

Unfortunately I didn't see anyone on my little excursion.

So, does this mean hoops is going to have to be quiet for the rest of the day? At this point I think its pretty obvious he was, in fact, telling the truth on blade which makes him one of my most trusted individuals.

I'm having a hard time finding any "new dirt" on anyone at this point. Blade got nailed so quickly that he didn't really have a chance to align himself with anyone else and the only other evidence we have at this point is AE's little SNAFU. At this point I'm leaning towards voting AE, but I'm going to wait to see what today's discussion brings about.

OK, I found something very interesting this morning. In square G2 I found a knife. I'm planning on giving it to the police.

Did you see anyone else in your square or on your way there?

That's probably a good idea.

Sorry, I know I've been viewing the thread a long time, my wife was on the phone with me.

It looks like Hoops had the gold to accept his appointment! That makes me happy!

Alan, I understand your concern, but it's unwarranted.

No. This morning I moved E2-F3-G2 and saw nobody the entire time, just found the knife at the Dock.

I'm not sure what it means -- It's nowhere near where anyone has been killed as of yet, maybe just a random find. Has anyone found any objects randomly at squares they've been to? You don't have to say what it was, I'm just curious if there's stuff around....

I haven't found anything yet.

No. Haven't found anything.

If hoops really is gone, I think that takes at least some of the heat off of AE, but it would sure be nice to get some verification that he's gone to get the navy instead of trapped somewhere.

In my list late last night my top three suspects were AE, Raiders and Vince. We all know the reasons for AE and Raiders -- it's more of a gut feel with Vince -- not just the fact that he was playing devil's advocate on Blade, but there was a comment or two about everything being very murky or unclear; where I felt quite the opposite regarding our friend in the brig. I'll go back and try and find the posts I mean when I get a chance but it's gonna kind of a busy day.

Isn't the dock where Hoops was goin? Kinda concern'd someone didn't gut em like a fish and dump the body in the riv'r.

The ardvark is a mighty peculiar an'm'l...kinda curious what the other greenhorns t'ink.

Need more whiskey...barkeep!!! blort blort blort...

Did he need to go the the dock or the seaport?

Says seaport, but you've got me worried now, Qwiktimer.

BTW Saldana, I finally start to trust you in a game and you go and get killed. Crap.

damn pirates... at least you didnt get my money.


let that be a lesson for you Path, ...always trust me, its an excellent starting strategy ;)

Working all morning again -- should be off by about 5 PM PST.

Glad to see I'm moving up peoples trust lists...is there anything I could do to assuage your fears? I'm nothing but a plain old treasure hunter, and I'd rather not stay in jail. Kind of bummed that friggin auction guy had to go blare to the world that I have a shovel...I don't want to be a target any more than I have to be.

Yeah, supposedly Ardent's story has Hoops heading to the seaport which is A-4. I'm not sure this knife is related in any way to Hoops. I was trying to figure out maybe it fell out of some pirates pockets or they had to get away fast or something, but then why end up at G-2? I noticed it was a river square, so maybe washed down the river? Only problem with that theory is its a mountain river square, usually rivers flow away from mountains due to well nature. So I'm not really sure whats up with the knife.

Perhaps the knife is just something totally unrelated and gives you the ability to knight kill someone path (ie: Villager assassin style). Of course, I'm not sure what the local police would think of someone who did that though.

When I was in D3 (Elle's Emporium), I saw Taz and Vince. I have no idea what that means, but considering that saldana was killed near the bank, all 3 of us could be suspects I guess.

Out for this stupid career development board. I have to get ready, do some shopping, and get a haircut as well.

I have no clue on who to vote for. I almost don't want to vote for anyone since we are only down to 11 today.

SnDvls - dead
Desnudo - dead
Saldana - dead
Hoops - MIA
Raiders - left the treasure hunting business
Blade - Pirate


That leaves:
Path
Alan
Penny
KWhit
Qwik
Gramm
Taz
King
AE
Schmidty
Vince

well so far its less than 5 hours left, and I think I have the only vote out. So you arent alone king. Because the first two days have been pretty big run away votes for Blade, we haven't really found much in the way of voting habits to go on. So its pretty important to go from here and work on this.

I think Ardent and Vince both are suspicious in my mind, I think Taz has been giving me a weird vibe, and I'm still not sure about Penny. Mostly everyone else I'm pretty neutral on... We need to get some voting going though, thats our best way to narrow down things.

I've noticed that alot more people have been quiet about what they saw yesterday morning (I'm wondering if its because they don't want to get caught in a slipup like Blade and Ardent and Raiders did or not).

The thread title says that the deadline is Sunday at 8AM, so that might be part of why there's not many votes out there right now.

Speaking for myself, I'd love to hear thoughts by some who haven't posted so much such as Gram.

Also wondering if a vote for Raiders position while it is unfilled might be a way to go -- he is definitely on the suspect list and we could then view him to see if he is really the investigator while the replacement is being found.

The other point we'll need to get to at some time is: When do we start trying to figure out a monopoly group? It's been three days and I'm wondering if it might be possible in the next couple of days if we pool correctly.

I was going to post the exact same thing. Gram has been very quiet and he also camped out. At least Alan told us why he camped out.

Gram is at the top of my list right now.

I don't know if i find his being quiet right now that suspicious. I'm guessing he doesnt want to become a target from pirates. I was open about what I did because I took the time to ensure that if they got me, they won't benefit from killing me much. If I hadn't done that, I probably would have clammed up too and tried to be forgotten about. I do think it would be helpful though if Gramm starts giving us a little info about his thoughts or what he has seen, or at least something to go on though.

The silence is not good, and he's climbing up mine also. But I do have to say that at least on morning 2 I saw him going north (though he could certainly have doubled back to the SE).

I hear what you're saying, but hell, we ALL don't want to become a target from pirates......but if we don't put that aside and work together to root them out they'll pick us off one by one. It seems that silence is the new strategy right now, but I don't see where that's gonna help us in the long run.

No I understand that. Thats why I'm trying to help how I can :) Of course it is day3, this is usually when I die... soo.....

I saw you at D3 but didn't see Vince. Since both of you bought shovels it would be safe for me to assume that Vince was there at some point and I just didn't see him.

The only reason I can see for the pirates to buy shovels is to try and hire the mercenaries, and with one of their number in jail 125 seems like a big number to hit (especially now that we have a better idea of how hard it is to get a quantity of gold). So for me it bumps my trust in Vince and Schmidty a little bit......but with that out there, the auction tonight wouldn't have the same effect.

Is there something I'm missing as to why pirates might want to buy shovels?

I wonder why the Shady is auctioning the shovel for 8 gold when you can buy it at Ellie's for 6 gold?

Could there be a limit to the items? The shovel is not out of stock at Ellie's?

To get you to think they're treasure hunters. I'm not saying that Schmidty or Vince falls under this category though (could be).

Pirates need money for things too. Buying items to move around easier, buying things for more AP, bailing themselves out of jail, etc. The more times they bail out blade, the more times he has to be re-inprisoned, Its almost like this game needs to be played a different way than any other WW. We might be focusing too much on keeping the bad guys locked up rather than trying to horde up money and find out who we can trust (to give money to in wills, and to form a monopoly with).

I feel that if we had a small circle of trust of 3-4 people, we could have a monopoly formed in 2-3 days easily. We need to figure out how to expand our trust more than just keeping Blade locked up.

To expand on my thought from earlier. I am guessing we had 3 pirates this game (maybe 4, but that would be bad odds for us). So if one is doing the kill, the other one likely is trying to make money. With Blade in jail, I'm guessing we have 1 do the nightly kill and 1 trying to make money each turn.

I would definitely agree if they had bought the shovels and then told everyone 'HEY, I got a shovel! See!' But it looks to me as if they were just outed on the purchase by the announcement of the last shovel in stock....

I think that there are three pirate roles and therefore three pirates. I don't think there are any plain vanilla pirates or any two cutthroats, scourges, etc.

I do think that there are multiple roles for the treasure hunters though, more than one athlete, investigator, etc. Just a hunch.

Hadn't thought about the pirates needing money for items, etc. That's a good point. I just figured they'd use what they got from the kills.

In the rules, certain items purchased are publicly announced.


If they knew that was in the rules, then they can use the shovels to say, "why would a pirate need a shovel?".

That's a great catch. I had completely missed that.

You're really reaching there, but that's fine.

I bought a shovel because I wanted to get more gold. Simple as that.

Alright, so basically it is evening cycle until 8am on Sunday, right? So we are all back in the hut. I do not believe anyone is missing, so no campers this round? Hoops is the only one Shady said is missing. I do not believe that Hoops ever confirmed he received the letter. Why would he not have told us that outright prior to leaving?

A few things, the last time I posted I was on my way out of town for an overnight trip to Atlanta. Unfortunately I did not get to hook up to the net and thought it best prior to leaving to plan on a camp action, since I would be out of pocket for two real world days and one night. I arrived back yesterday afternoon, but could not post as that was the rule advised as a reminder to me via PM by Barkeep. Then watched the Olympics last night and went to work. I read up and have about 3 pages as a gap somewhere around page 14 to catch up yet.

I think some people saw me heading north and therefore away from the kills. That is correct I have been north each turn. I too have found different amounts on the same square. I have not tried to hit a square after receiving zero, so I don’t know if anything replenishes. My guess would be, no it does not. Also of note, I have not received any notice of seeing anyone while out. I think that is very odd as everyone else has seen each other or in Blades case, unidentifiable figures. In Blades case, I think he is full of it on that one and is telling a lie. He must be a pirate and probably saw everyone in that square. In my case other saw me, I would think I would have seen them as well, but I did not. I must be crappy as spotting others.

Can someone help me out, why does everyone think Ardent has a high probability of being a pirate? Did he get outed in some way that I missed trying to catch up on post reading?

Hey look!

Gramm sighting!

:)

I don't remember where it was in the thread, but he posted his move actions and it didn't add up. He claimed that he didn't have fleet of foot, but his moves totaled 6 AP. He claims that Barkeep must have made a mistake and is standing by his original statements. Barkeep hasn't commented on the issue at all.

Just got back from the career development board. I want those two hours of my life back. What a waste!

Gramm: I apparently crossed a river during the first time out digging. I didn't know I was, but apparently I did. I posted what I sent to barkeep here, and people pointed it out. I still believe it was an error by barkeep, who had made a PM error earlier in the game regarding Raiders Army and pennywisesb.

I got a little ticked off and just about quit the game. I decided to bid on the letter that was offered not for my benefit, but to keep the rest of the treasure hunters from winning the game. Sorry, but it's the truth. Sometimes when I get ticked I no longer try to win, I try to keep you from winning, if that makes sense. I could explain the story behind that another time.

Anyway, the letter turned out to be an appointment as Captain to the blahoopian (?) Navy, but required 10 gold. I gave my gold previously to hoops and gave him the letter. He now has three day cycles out of the game before he returns with sailors he's recruited. In essence, we win.

What he said.

Huh????? So you don't want us to win AND you sent our most trusted person out of the game for 3 days.

So how do we win with Sailors? Did the letter say we win? The only way for us TH to win is to achieve monopoly. I do not understand how sailors coming to this crap hole of an island makes us TH winners.

It's an alternative victory condition. Let me go look it up.

When did you do that?

I mean, when did you give him your gold?

It states upon return to the island the treasure hunters win. It doesn't state how the sailors wipe out the pirates or anything along those lines.

Actually, it's not even the letter. That part is outside of the letter, but in the PM from barkeep. Upon return to the island with the recruited sailors, we win.

Umm, the first chance I could. I don't remember the timeline. I had the 4 gold to view blade, but everyone was giving me crap about it. I gave it to hoops, who I trusted up to that point.

What were you doing at the dock? Did you see Hoops there? Also, are you crazy, why are you even thinking of giving the knife to the keystone cops? Those numbskulls will probably give it to the Pirates or something like that. Ask Barkeep what you can do with the knife. You can probably commit some kind of kill (not that you would really want to do that). But you could look out and see if you can spot a pirate, then whacking him with the knife would be a good move.

dola, the knife may mean you can fight a pirate if they try to kill you.

Anything you give to someone is viewed publicly, unless you use an action to hand it to him during the treasure hunting phase.

Hmmm..... I don't know if I buy that or not. Recently hoops posted this:


Post 717:


I don't think he would have posted that if AE gave him 4gp.

Hmmmm......

From the rules

Right, and I did just that.

Say what you will. I gave him 4 gold. The requirement to take the appointment was 10 gold. He obviously had more gold than he was letting on.

I don't see how. He dug in F6 on day 1. I dug in the same spot and it only gave 2 GP per dig. He dug twice for a total of 4 GP. Then he presumably viewed Blade (4 GP). I doubt he was able to collect 10 GP from that point til the time you gave him the letter.

I don't know how he got it together, but he did.

I was at that dock square because I wanted to test that mountain/river gold rate. I saw nobody my entire turn this morning......and according to AE, the letter says hoops has to go to the seaport which is about as far from where I was as you can get.

As for clarification as to what I could do with the knife, believe me I asked and don't have any specific answer at all. I thought about destroying it but was worried about it somehow coming back to me/or a pirate finding it and repairing it in someway so they could have two. I also didn't want it found on me with all the assumptions that would entail, and finally I wanted to get the rest of the TH's opinions on it, and see if there were other random finds or not.

I'm kicking myself about not thinking about your idea about using it to protect myself from an attack (doh!). I was more worried about having it discovered without telling anyone.

I did know this much:

I didn't have the 10 gold, and there was no way to get the 10 gold before you guys jailed me. No one would have listened to me about the letter. I gave it to the person I gave my gold to.

He also gave me a gold with his first AP. I'm not liking the sounds of this.

Is it too late? Can you get it back?

Hmmm.

I've still got it as far as I know.

Did hoops ever say how much he had on day 1?

You should be set then.

Of course if Hoops is a Pirate we are screwed. Could he have kept the gold and "outed" Blade gaining our trust. Knowing that even if any of us did view Blade later on they would still find that he was a Pirate.

I'm still planning on viewing Blade independently. 4 gold to get a verification seems cheap if you ask me.

Oops, didn't catch your second part of that. If that's the case though, where is he? Camping out to try and fool us?

I dunno, but I wonder why there is no mention in the recap.

You see, this is why I don't believe this story...

There is 0 way for the pirates to kill all 14-15 or so of us in 5 days total time. Thats the 2 days before the letter was introduced, and 3 days with hoops being gone. So you mean to tell me that barkeep would introduce an item so powerful that it single handedly wins the game for us by day 5 regardless of all the other stuff everyone else is doing?

That either sounds like a very anti-climatic ending, or just too far fetched for me to believe..

I dunno, maybe you are telling complete truth, but I am 100% skeptical that such a powerful thing has been introduced into the game, and at least some part if not all of this is a fabrication.

My vote right now is for Ardent (I believe I am the only one who has voted so far), but this revelation has convinced me unless someone else comes out and goes "hey guys, I'm a pirate", my vote will stay with Ardent.

I'm currently trying to see if hoops mentioned how much he had on day 1.

That, and playing the lost knights.

err, the last knights.

Ok going to try thinking this out loud a different way....

Ardent says he gave an item to Hoops which will let us win the game...

So Either:

1) Ardent is lying, trying to stay out of jail..

2) Ardent is telling the truth, and when hoops comes back in 3 days we win.

Well if it is #2, there is nothing any of us can do, it's out of our hands. The pirates can't kill us all off in that time (unless there is just that many of them).

If its #1, then we should jail Ardent like i have been saying...

If we wrongfully imprison Ardent and we will win like he is saying, well it won't kill us since we will win anyways.. so I can not think of any reason NOT to jail Ardent

I think I may have this mapped out now.

Hoops dug 3 times in the same spot on day 1. He got 6 gold.

Day 2. He loses 4 gold viewing blade, but I gave him 4 gold. I doubt anyone else gave him gold that time.

Night 2. Path gave him 1 gold.

Day 3. Hoop has 11 gold, give path his 1 gold, and still has his 10 gold.

I might be missing something, I don't know.

I'd rather not think along those lines since I put my neck out for all of you. I very well could have kept the letter to myself and let you jail me with it.

By the way, barkeep clarified for me that the letter was considered a small item and could be transferred, this was after I complained that the letter wasn't going to do me a whole lot of good in jail.

By the way, I just saw a guest in here. Looks like we have at least one pirate watching us from the outside.

Can you give me a good logical reason, knowing what we as a group know so far, why jailing you would be a bad idea? Or give us your thoughts on who a better choice would be?

I guess what I am saying is, If you are a good guy, and what you are telling us is true, jailing you won't lose the game for us.

If you are a bad guy, and you are lying, then NOT jailing you possibly could lose it for us.

Right now to me its about risk management, and there is far greater risk letting you walk around freely right now than to place you behind bars. Putting you in jail does not remove you from the game, does not kill you, and you always can get bailed out later.

And it's gonna be even harder if they only have the one knife....unless the rest of them found knives also....

I've gotta run for awhile, but AE, is there a post number where you give the gold to hoops?

Honestly? I worry about you, I worry about Gramm, and I worry about Vince. I worry about Qwikshot (who has made fun of us all, in character or not, it doesn't matter).

Jailing me is just taking a treasure hunter off the path. It leaves one more pirate out there killing us. I seriously doubt you will see the pirates digging anymore. I imagine they will pull out all the stops to kill as many of us as they can.

Like I said, I have helped this group out tremendously, even after I was pissed off and nearly quit. We're going to win in three days if we can hold out. Jailing me won't do us a bit of good. We need to look for the pirates.

No, it was my first AP the other night.

And I know all about risk management, and I don't think you're looking at it correctly, which worries me.

What besides my arguement for wanting to jail you worries you about me?

Second question, why does your list of people you worry about contain seemingly 4 of the 5 or 6 people who appear to be trying the most to help the treasure hunters reach a monopoly?

ok, I have a third and forth question for you Ardent


3) Do you believe hoops in that Blade is a pirate?

4) How many pirates do you think started in this game, and how many do you think are still out?

Your camping out concerns me, and the overzealous nature of wanting to jail me even though I've done my absolute best to help.

I don't know. I don't know much more than you.

Yeah, I do. I believe hoops went and examined blade. I trust hoops, which is why I gave him the letter.

No clue. Two maybe? How many do you think are out there?

Do you believe hoops in that blade is a pirate?

Sorry, I'm getting tired of answering questions when all I've tried to do is help. I'd like you to answer some.

Sure, no problem it can go both ways. :) i already said I think we started with 3 and Blade is a pirate, so my guess is there are two left.

Just a little frustrated is all. I'm over it now. :)

I mean, I realize jail isn't going to kill me, but I just think we'd be better off finding a pirate instead.

Thats why I was asking who you thought would be good targets to jail instead of you. My only problem was when you gave me your list, almost everyone except one person you listed is higher up my trust list.

Right now it appears to me that your view of our group and my view are complete 180s. The only two people we seem to agree on is Hoops and Blade.

Well, I'm going to have way too much time on my hands over the weekend. I work 12 hours tonight, and 12 hours tomorrow night as well.

I'll see what I can "dig" up.

I do have to study and write some papers for that APA class, but I'll try to divert some time to the game as well.

how did my hair look at my funeral?

I don't think you had a head?

Now I'm just a saying...and don't you get all in a tizzy Ardvark...but methinks it's a little of a stretch that in three days theres gonna be more Quagmires hanging round busting pirate skull...I was a-hoping that there Hoops would give some sorta message before going...for sucha prof'sonal, sure as hell, hightailed outta here faster than a jackrabbit on a date...

Doubts to me, yeah yeah...every'ne got doubts...but y'wanna jail me, go right ahead, I know the score...I know the line...

I still gots doubts about GreenhornArmy (ooc - nothing official has been stated by barkeep, lest I missed something), and Ardvark, as helpful as he says he is...isn't beyond my old cataract milky eye...

So I says to Mister Ardvark, wouldja mind a night in the cell? I you are an innocent, I'd be happy to pull bail for ye, sure would ease mah mind, someone could get the guards to vouch for ya and we'd be sitting until the calvary comes...

All this talk is making us forget the ultimate goal to get some GOLD...

But what do I know...just an ole man...

I just don't think this makes much sense. A victory condition that allows you to just pay 10 gold and hire the navy in 3 turns to win seems way out there. There are not any conditions listed that allow the whole group of TH to win, but this letter is the silver bullet. I don't buy it. How was it communicated that it was a win. Barkeep say outright that it was a win or was it implied?

Plus, your list of bad guys is not really good. I'm 99% sure that Qwickshot is a good guy and I'm pretty sure AlanT is too, maybe 66% so.

Alright, I'm pretty poor at math. How does this add up. If he digs and starts with 6 gold, then on day 2 loses 4 that equals 2 left. Then you give him 4, that is back up to a total of 6. On night 2, path gives him 1 gold, now he is at a total of 7 gold. Then hoops gave path back a gold and he is back to 6 gold, not 10. Did I miss anything?