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JPhillips 07-26-2017 08:51 AM

I know Trump doesn't care about how this will work, but how will this work?

Will there be discharges? Honorable?

Will it essentially be Don't Ask Don't Tell or will there be some other policy?

What about veteran's benefits?

QuikSand 07-26-2017 08:57 AM

Oh, I get why he/they would eventually do something like this.

But to launch it out of the blue TODAY is obviously an effort to create a distraction from both the Sessions boil-over and the health care debate.

Chief Rum 07-26-2017 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan (Post 3167912)
Such a piece of shit.




He really is just about the most "impressive" asshole ever. Just a diseased human being.

Butter 07-26-2017 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3167915)
Oh, I get why he/they would eventually do something like this.

But to launch it out of the blue TODAY is obviously an effort to create a distraction from both the Sessions boil-over and the health care debate.


And Russia. Let's never forget Russia.

QuikSand 07-26-2017 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuikSand (Post 3167903)
via tweet, transgendered people may no longer serve in any military capacity.

Ok, so this is the exact equivalent of Bart Simpson setting the trash can on fire to create a distraction, right?


Oh, and Happy "American Heroes Week" everyone!

Honolulu_Blue 07-26-2017 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 3167916)
He really is just about the most "impressive" asshole ever. Just a diseased human being.


+1

He is just a truly awful human being in any and every conceivable way a person is capable of being awful.

Easy Mac 07-26-2017 09:42 AM

Yeah, but Obama was the spawn of Satan... but not because he was black, but because of... well, I'm sure there's reasons but I don't have to justify them.

QuikSand 07-26-2017 09:55 AM



Easy Mac 07-26-2017 10:27 AM

So you're saying he still has work to do to #MAGA. We can't get back to 1948 without a little effort.

Ben E Lou 07-26-2017 10:33 AM

CNN is reporting that the Pentagon "didn't know anything about" the transgender ban decision.

Ben E Lou 07-26-2017 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3167932)
CNN is reporting that the Pentagon "didn't know anything about" the transgender ban decision.

Heh..and now this...




So basically he just tweeted out a new policy?

Ben E Lou 07-26-2017 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3167932)
CNN is reporting that the Pentagon "didn't know anything about" the transgender ban decision.


Pentagon statement on transgender rules changes: "We refer all questions about the President's statements to the White House"


:jester:

Ben E Lou 07-26-2017 11:09 AM

OK. This is apparently the full statement:



JPhillips 07-26-2017 11:21 AM

Now McCain's spokesperson is saying his vote for the bill wasn't really a vote in favor of the bill. But it also wasn't a vote in opposition of the bill.

Easy Mac 07-26-2017 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3167940)
Now McCain's spokesperson is saying his vote for the bill wasn't really a vote in favor of the bill. But it also wasn't a vote in opposition of the bill.


Well, we know how Republicans hate binary choices...

JPhillips 07-26-2017 12:23 PM

I bet the Trump folks weren't counting on GOP Senators coming out in favor of transgender service members.

RainMaker 07-26-2017 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou (Post 3167913)
...and now he's renewing public attacks on his Attorney General.


He wanted Sessions to fire the FBI director which Sessions does not have the legal authority to do. Can someone please bring a high school civics teacher into the White House to explain the basics?

ISiddiqui 07-26-2017 03:06 PM

Looks like "Partial Repeal" has failed. 6 Republicans voted against (it would have been really stupid to keep the ACA protection provisions and eliminate the mandates and subsidies - the premium hikes would have been ridiculously large). Collins, Murkowski, Heller, Alexander, Caputo, McCain (?!!), and Portman voted no.

I think there is a skinny repeal vote coming down the pike? (just eliminating the individual mandate and corporate mandate, I think)

JPhillips 07-26-2017 04:01 PM

It seems like the plan is to pass something minimal and then rewrite it in conference.

JonInMiddleGA 07-26-2017 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 3167961)
Collins, Murkowski, Heller, Alexander, Caputo, McCain (?!!), and Portman voted no.


Not exactly a surprising list. Plenty of recognizable pseudocons there and at least a couple that should have been kicked out of the party ages ago.

All should be kicked to the curb and replaced by people with a brain, heart, and judgement.

mauchow 07-26-2017 05:53 PM

LOL

RainMaker 07-26-2017 07:05 PM

I don't get into the "fake news" crap because it's usually an excuse by the right. But the lack of coverage regarding what's happening with Wasserman-Schultz by major papers is the reason why there is so much mistrust of the media.

cuervo72 07-26-2017 07:10 PM

Wasserman-Schultz - Google Search

Ok, but of what major relevance is that? IT staffer commits bank fraud and tries to leave the country. I am not a fan of W-S, but why is this big news or how does it have any bearing on her or the Dems?

RainMaker 07-26-2017 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3167984)
Wasserman-Schultz - Google Search

Ok, but of what major relevance is that? IT staffer commits bank fraud and tries to leave the country. I am not a fan of W-S, but why is this big news or how does it have any bearing on her or the Dems?


It looks like it's much deeper than that. He had four relatives on the payroll at inflated salaries. Relatives that staffers said were rarely seen. They took in over $4 million in taxpayer money. He had access to e-mails and computers of numerous members of Congress.

As it relates to DWS, she kept him on the payroll till hours ago despite the fact he was under criminal investigation and had been banned from the Capital network computers. She had made threats to the Capital Police in an effort to impede their investigation. He obviously was more than just another IT staffer to her. You also have another member of Congress saying these charges are trumped up because he's Muslim.

Now that doesn't prove anything, but I guarantee if this was Paul Ryan in the position, you'd have a lot more coverage of it in the major papers. There'd be reporters trying to find out why this guy and his family were paid so much money over the years. Why this guy wasn't fired when he was put under investigation for fraud? What did this guy have access to and what did he do with that information?

The Washington Post put more effort into stories about Elizabeth Lauten who was just a staffer that made mean Facebook posts about the Obamas. Their stories on Awan (which only went up today despite him being in the news for months) leave out a lot of the details. They're also buried under the local public safety section and just grabbed the AP feed for the part about DWS firing him finally.

JPhillips 07-26-2017 08:07 PM

Paul Ryan is Speaker of the House, of course that would get more press.

Dana Rorhbacher is basically an agent of the Russians and one of his staff got kicked off the House Foreign Affairs, and that hasn't gotten much play either. Trump and healthcare are taking up all the oxygen and little else is getting covered. In a normal admin the DWS story would be a big deal, but as is it may not make the top ten scandals of an given day.

RainMaker 07-26-2017 08:26 PM

Lauten was a staffer for a no-name rep from Tennessee. She got much more coverage for a Facebook post that had no impact on taxpayer funds or national security.

Also Rohrabacher has gotten a ton of media attention.

JPhillips 07-26-2017 08:43 PM

The media landscape was a lot different in 2014.

There's a good fifty scandals not being covered the way they would be in a more normal world.

Thomkal 07-27-2017 06:48 AM

So I thought Trump was going to fight for us LGBTQ'ers?

Trump administration argues federal law doesn’t protect gay employees.

(thanks Cuervo for the post on this on Facebook)

Kodos 07-27-2017 07:33 AM

Just when I felt a little sorry for Sessions...

Easy Mac 07-27-2017 07:42 AM

I like their plan of hiring someone dumb, firing, them, then hiring someone even dumber.

https://thinkprogress.org/scaramucci...n-39c64badff56

QuikSand 07-27-2017 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judd
Scaramucci previously described Preibus as “his brother.” On CNN, he clarified that they were brothers like “Cain and Abel.” Cain murdered Abel.


You have to love the particular brand of freedom that comes with being an openly biased information source.

pbot 07-27-2017 08:10 AM

"The fish stinks from the head" may be the most accurate description of this administration. Good job, Ant-nee!

PilotMan 07-27-2017 10:11 AM

......next time on The Real World, DC........

cuervo72 07-27-2017 10:17 AM

Trump administration threatens retribution against Alaska over Murkowski health votes

Ben E Lou 07-27-2017 10:25 AM

In completely unsurprising news, "my generals" were evidently the generals in Trump's head.




I wonder if Trump will manage to construe this as insubordination from the Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs.

cuervo72 07-27-2017 10:28 AM


JPhillips 07-27-2017 11:23 AM

So now the plan is to write a new repeal bill at lunch and pass it tonight, all while hoping it never becomes the law.

Honestly.

RainMaker 07-27-2017 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Easy Mac (Post 3168022)
I like their plan of hiring someone dumb, firing, them, then hiring someone even dumber.

https://thinkprogress.org/scaramucci...n-39c64badff56


How did he not understand what the word "public" in public financial disclosure form meant?

Thomkal 07-27-2017 12:57 PM

An interesting behind the scenes look into what was happening behind the scenes leading up to Trump's transgender ban:

Inside Trump’s snap decision to ban transgender troops - POLITICO

Easy Mac 07-27-2017 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3168045)
So now the plan is to write a new repeal bill at lunch and pass it tonight, all while hoping it never becomes the law.

Honestly.


Meh, I used to wake up around 4 AM and write 10 page papers for 9 AM classes in college. If I could get B-ish grades with the papers I gave to those idiots, these dummies could at least come up with a C- grade plan.

JPhillips 07-27-2017 01:04 PM

As we move closer to reports of Trump shooting an 18.



cuervo72 07-27-2017 01:06 PM

Saw this on my FB feed today:

Quote:

You already know Stevie's unparalleled "Higher Ground" from the iconic 'Innervisions' album, but did you know that he put the song together in just 3 hours?

So yeah - maybe Congress can call him up. I'm sure he'd oblige!

Easy Mac 07-27-2017 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3168068)
As we move closer to reports of Trump shooting an 18.



Didn't he win the US Women's Open and British Open in consecutive weeks? This is what we call orange-washing history.

QuikSand 07-27-2017 01:08 PM




This is one intriguing dude. Don't want to drown the forum with politics (and make this its own thread), so I'll post this here. I'm fixing to read his book soon, he sounds like the real deal about 2/3 of the time to me.

JPhillips 07-27-2017 01:24 PM

I think timing is difficult for Sasse. If he runs in 2020 he'll have to deal with being the anti-Trump(or, I suppose, the anti-Pence). If the GOP wins he could run in 2024, but it's very hard for one party to win three terms in a row.

If the Dems win in 2020, Sasse will likely run in 2024, but as much as we don't like three terms, we do like two terms, so a GOP win would be an upset. That would leave a 2028 run, but each year as a senator is another page in votes that can be twisted in ads.

He's got a lot going for him, but his problems just illustrate how unlikely it is for any individual to win the WH. Somebody will, though, and he does have a lot going for him.

mckerney 07-27-2017 01:56 PM

GOP senator: I’ll vote for this Obamacare repeal bill to become law if you promise me it won’t - Vox

Quote:

Republican Sen. Mike Rounds (R-SD) wants a guarantee: that the health bill the Senate that he will likely vote to pass won’t actually become law.

cuervo72 07-27-2017 03:21 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/34...bo-budget-cuts

Quote:

House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) is trying to eliminate 89 positions from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office's staff and require the office to aggregate think tank data instead of using its own professional expertise.

“They ought to be aggregators; there are plenty of think tanks that are out there,” Meadows said at a National Press Club event.

In an amendment to be offered to the security-related spending bill scheduled for a House vote this week, Meadows would cut $15 million of funding to CBO staff members responsible for estimating the budgetary costs of bills in Congress, and have them "carry out such duties solely by facilitating and assimilating scoring data compiled by the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute, the Brookings Institution, and the Urban Institute."

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein

bronconick 07-27-2017 03:26 PM


And the House might stick around over the weekend to quickly vote for it if it goes to them.

mckerney 07-27-2017 03:39 PM

Lindsey Graham: "This place holder concept, the skinny bill, will destroy insurance markets and not even remotely replace Obamacare"

So now that he's got that out of the way it sounds like Graham is a yes.

RainMaker 07-27-2017 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronconick (Post 3168094)
And the House might stick around over the weekend to quickly vote for it if it goes to them.


Yeah that's a crazy wrinkle to this whole thing. Imagine explaining that as a Senator. I voted for it but I didn't want it to actually go through.


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