It's because it is 3 hours past his bedtime

Agreed, extremely classy, I definitely respect him, just couldn't give him my vote.

I see he gave Palin the rub.

+3 million pop vote now.

classy republicans booing

Great speech McCain. Nice work.... the people in the crowd on the other hand.... very disappointing.

Okay, I'd say it's as official as it gets until January so I'll sum it up.

Without question, it's the darkest day in our nation's history, no pun particularly intended. The lowest point we ever descended to, and perhaps the first time I've truly been ashamed to be an American. We have no one to blame but ourselves for it ultimately, decades upon decades of mistakes & missteps all leading to this moment.

While I believe a good bit of the blame rightfully rests at the feet of those who came before us, I can't deny that this ultimately happened on our watch. We allowed the utterly clueless to put the equally clueless in charge and barring a miracle, or even a series of miracles, we'll never reach or even approach greatness again. Mediocrity, or much much worse, is officially the new standard and that isn't something that's easily overcome because the reality is that mediocre regenerates faster than greatness.

It's sad, but it is what it is. Defeated and without any reasonable degree of hope, all that's left is to fight to the end & deny the enemy as much of the spoils as possible. Maybe there's at least enough backbone left to do a decent job of that.

That's about all the emotion you're likely to get out of me tonight, subpar rant though it may be, I'm simply too sad to do rage very well. And I'm not planning to deny myself whatever pleasure I might find in playing with the numbers, screwing around with the hypotheticals, and fantasizing about the scenarios in which we might manage to survive this disaster but (to the disappointment of my liberal friends I'm sure) I definitely won't be holding my breath for them to take place. I'll just get what good I can get from it & leave the rest.

me too, Arles, me too.

This crowd really is pretty crappy.

I bet he did!!!! Ba-ZING!

McCain did pretty well, considering the Chevy Yugo he had to try and sell.

OK, Wade and I were just discussing this. The Virginia Republican party made a huge mistake when they chose to have a nominating convention to choose their Senatorial candidate rather than a primary. Tom Davis would have been a far superior candidate over Jim Gilmore.

A friend and I were talking about this on AIM. We just feel bad for him. He had such awful handlers and a bad running mate. He deserved a better fate.

SI

You can tell it's a small group of idiots who are booing. It is not everyone there. Still idiots though.

Obama making a comeback in North Carolina, down only by a few thousand. He still leads in Indiana, but only by less than 2k. The quest for 360-370ish?

Howard Dean is a genius.

Jon, is that you booing on my TV?

"the darkest day in our nation's history" Get a grip, man.

The Crimson Tide song? Fucking fantastic.

Will we hear of Palin anymore?

Yeah, I may be glad Obama got in, but that was a pretty nice speech. Certainly raised my respect levels for the man.

:D

...wow

Oh, and Bartlett Pears! Bartlett Pears! Bartlett Pears! (Colbert Report joke for those who don't get it)

SI

JiMGA, you are exaggerating beyond belief. You may not be happy with who got the presidency, but I'm willing to bet that your life will not nearly be so adversely affected by it as you seem to think.

Hopefully the expectations aren't ridiculously out of line. Lots of things to work on so, hopefully people dont' expect everything to change overnight. (Or the flip side that he feels pressure to do everything overnight and does things too fast or haphazardly)

put me in the camp of classy speech from McCain with a few morons sprinkled in

Whatever your political stance is you have to recognize that this is a big moment in US history. I hope it will help us to move to the point where race (or sex for that matter) can take a back seat in future elections.

Well, the bar seems to be set pretty low for Obama among the JiMGs of the world, so it shouldn't be too hard for Obama to win him over by 2012. ;)

+1

Sounds similar to how Democrats felt in 2000 and 2004; and that's pretty much what happened.

dude...get a grip. 9/11? Pearl Harbor? There's plenty of better candidates for the darkest day.

if you want to say it's the darkest day in the history of the republican party you could MAYBE make an argument for that i suppose, but darkest day in our nation's history is pure hyperbole and grandstanding for attention and a response

Amazing, I had the same thoughts in 2000/2004

edit: Damn you lordscarlet!

Umm ... they don't particularly like the worthless SOB that McCain just referred to? Seems to me that would be pretty obvious, not sure why that is bewildering.

no chance for filibuster proof now, right?

Jon you can always move to another country like France for instance. Or some other European country that doesn't have a 'dark' leader.

Darkest day is US History?

Jon don't you have a Militia that needs to kick it into gear?

Now I just have to hope and pray 8 goes down

Can someone who paid attention over the past 100-odd pages of this thread give me a quick rundown on what exactly JiMGA despises so much about Obama?

Obama increases big lead in NC now. Wow.

that would be the SOB who beat McCain - which makes him what...less than worthless?

You don't get it. Jon isn't one of those guys in the crowd booing. Read what he wrote- that's not what he's saying. I strongly disagree with his sentiments but it's not as if he's shallowly just dismissing this.

SI

Depends on whether or not Franken beats Coleman in MN and Chambliss gets over 50% tonight (if not, there will be a highly contested run-off).

Alaska and Oregon also have somewhat contested races, but they will likely both break for the Dems.

You've made some ridiculous posts over the years here, but I think this one may take the cake.

i think it's pretty easy for them to cut eye-holes in white sheets

CLiMGA.

my guess is that he is black

MSNBC calls Nevada for Obama.

Up to 338 EVs now.

For someone that I believe would feel that respect is an important virtue, continually booing someone you dislike like (I really am containing just throwing out vitriol at the "worthless SOB" comment, particularly with what the Republican party has given us for the last 8 years). I don't recall hearing this from Democrats in 2000 and 2004 and they thought Bush was worthless. There really are not enough 4 letter words to describe the type of person you have proven yourself to be throughout the latter days of this campaign.

Guys, that's unworthy. For Jon's faults to me, I can't see him as a racist. Come on. Call him on what he does that's wrong, but let's not invent things.

LOL :D

maybe JIMG should move to a hut in Tanzia somewhere. Then he may realize how rough life can be.

For those of you who just became acquainted with presidential politics during this election cycle, if you get a chance, take a look at Walter Mondale's concession speech in 1984, Michael Dukakis' concession speech in 1988, George Herbert Waker Bush and Ross Perot's concession speeches in 1992, Bob Dole's concession speech in 1996, and notice the booing (with the losing candidate admonishing the crowd not to boo).

Kerry's concession speech didn't take place until the next day, before an invited crowd at Faneuil Hall, and Gore's concession speech in 2000 took place a month after the election in his Vice Presidential office, so there wasn't any booing.

Well, Gergen just got finished saying on CNN that the BBC asked people from 22 countries who they'd rather have as president...and all 22 picked Obama, at at least a 3-1 clip. Now, the question is - do most countries wish to get along with us, or do they wish to surpass/bury us? Do countries admire us, or are they resentful of us? Jon obviously thinks the latter on both counts. He may be right. He may not be...remains to be seen I guess. If he is, let's hope Obama is worthy of that challenge.

People like JiMGA are the reason I voted Democrat this election, something I haven't done in the past.

While I don't necessarily agree with Jon, I really don't think it is fair to tag him as a racist.

His post reekkk of it.

Yeah Jon, It's not like Obama will be banning Cigarettes or anything, you'll be fine.


I am thinking (hoping) there is some TIC in his rant.

He'll have to be very careful in what he does. With so many problems in his lap and a second term to run for, he's got a real challenge in not going too far to the left, staying to his platform, and fixing the problems.

eh, you may be right. frankly i wouldn't put it past him though from the persona he puts out here. perhaps i was too hasty...idk. but i think at this point the burden of proof is on the defendant.

Sorry Fozz, I also hate to see the Race card played when it's not warranted, but he followed:


With:


So, basically, brought it upon himself.

At what point did you get the feeling that I thought McCain had any value beyond being only somewhat less clueless that Obama?

I believe the single most common sentiment for more than a year has consistently been that McCain isn't worth pissing on if he spontaneously combusted, or some variation thereof. I didn't give a damn for him when he sought the nomination, I didn't give a damn for him when he got it, and I damned sure don't give a damn for him now that he's presided over this debacle.

As Obama builds his leads in Indiana and NC, looks like the only "battleground" McCain will win is Missouri, and still a lot of votes left to be count there.

DT-your girl is back on.

Considering his posts before this had nothing to do with race, but more like "a Liberal placater versus a Complete Liberal" (paraphrasing here).. I think people REALLY ought to give him the benefit of the doubt. And this is coming from soneone's who's butted heads with him 90 Billion times or so.

It has been all campaign and it is disgusting. Republicans don't like the large crowds and fervor that follow Obama, but they don't boo when he mentions McCain.

Are you serious?

At least disgruntled african-americans who'd rather bitch than stand up and do something won't be able to play the race card as considerably anymore.

Don't let a few idiots ruin a great night, guys.

Groundhog -- I've been sitting on the "darkest day" line for weeks. That's truly the single most accurate description I can think of, the overwhelming summation of the entire situation that rolled through my mind on an hourly basis since the outcome became obvious... and I've been around FOFC long enough to know exactly how the phrase would be interpreted by some if I wasn't proactive in separating it from (the obvious) racial implication.

And it happened anyway, which come to think of it, was predictable too.

Wow.

The rest of the Western world must be pretty happy as well.

Congrats America for 219 years of peaceful transitions of power.

Obama has an opportunity, I certainly hope he can pull it off.

Stem cell research looks like it'll pass in Michigan along with medical marijuana.

Yeah...I'm going to touch that with a 10-foot pole.

I'm moving to Michigan....Well, in theory.

Coleman and Franken are only separated by 41 votes at this point, out of 1.1 million counted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMadison At least disgruntled african-americans who'd rather bitch than stand up and do something won't be able to play the race card as considerably anymore.

+1, climb back into the woodwork you crawled out of...

Quite so. I watched both candidates speeches at their conventions and clips from several other speeches. I only heard boos on the McCain side. I think it is pathetic, disgusting and disrespectful. You should certainly cheer for the things you like, but there is no reason to boo at the other guy.

And you sir are exhibiting one of the downfalls of this occurrence, the increase of modern symbolic racism. While I will agree some black people may cite race when race isn't the issue, what you are implying just doesn't reflect reality.

Ok, Jon I'll defend.

Him, not so much.

I wouldn't use that exact quote but I think you have something of a point there, though I'd extend it to all rampant Bush-complainers. Time to prove to us how horrible Bush was and how the country's problems were the fault of the president, and that there were better options all along.

So, how pissed is Hillary? :)

I think in the immediate rush to be the first one to post on anything that your attempt to separate it from the racial implication was overlooked by most.

that being said, since you have explained that, i retract my comment that was intend to be in humor.

although i stand by my claim that it's hyperbole

JIMGA,

Just curious, do you plan on making any changes to your day to day life or will you be taking it as you go?

Fair enough.

I still think you will look back at your post in 4 years time and wonder exactly what the big deal was.

Although I voted for Obama largely as an anti-Palin vote, I'm absolutely fascinated by the election results.

Depending on how his presidency(ies?) go, I think he could very easily sustain the Reganesque levels of mystique he's acquired.

(Note: I'm wholly against the cult of personality surrounding him and it's one of the reasons why I was undecided until more and more came out revealing how psychotic Palin is.)

Hopefully this will die down in a few days and we'll be past all this, but did you not see that video where Obama praises McCain, his supporters boo, and Obama says, "I don't want your boos, just your votes?"

You don't think there were boos at Kerry's concession? Or people calling the American people stupid and the president a monkey right here on FOFC? Ya, The Dems have always been REAL classy towards Bush, never booing him and only showing that office respect.

You won, show some class and get over this stuff.

People celebrating outside the White House.

She'll probably be Senate majority leader sooner or later and have a very long career in the Senate if she chooses. I think if she's not happy with her consolation prize, she will be eventually.

But yeah, at this moment, probably quite pissed.

{scratches head} What part of "don't respect", "are disgusted by" and generally loathe doesn't get through to you here? Yes it's disrespectful, that's part of the (theoretically obvious) point.

I also think you're underestimating how much disapproval there is of McCain being far too soft on the enemy too often, an aspect that I thought came through consistently throughout the campaign stops (where the boos at the mention of Obama seemed pretty steady) but was pretty much ignored in any coverage I saw. In other words, those boos aren't just directed at Obama.

Really? I watched dozens of Obama campaign speeches on C-Span over the course of the past several months, with Obama admonishing the crowd after booing McCain.

For you political neophytes, this was one of the tamest campaigns in American history. Go back and research what was said about Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln's wife, Ulysses S. Grant and Grover Cleveland. This campaign was pure fluff compared to that.

I have been involved deeply in politics over 20 years. Somebody always boos. Sorry, but it is true, VV is correct.

That's because Missouri can never get their crap together with regards to elections and counting votes.

SI

I feel sorry for Jon. He must live a very fearful, hate-filled existence.

wow - obama wants to hit the ground running, transition team meeting and new chief of staff tomorrow...wow

fantom - I don't really think Canada would strike me as a particular improvement. But if there was still enough in my bank account to accomodate it & I could figure out somewhere else to be where the practical aspects of it (i.e. my just widowed mother-in-law unwilling to relocate,etc.) I'd be out of here tomorrow. Well actually I doubt I would have stuck around for the past couple of weeks but you get the idea.

Heh...classy too.

"We're seeing this all over the country." Uh, while the popular vote is at 51%. You'd think this was the liberation of a [nationwide] POW camp. :)

Gay marriage bans. Florida, 62% yes, 89% reporting. Arizona 56% yes, 76% reporting. California 56% yes, 10% reporting.