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Galaxy 11-04-2008 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 1879730)
I love that DT's comments in this thread are now almost entirely Brown-centric :D


I know. At least he's got good taste (well, besides being a Pats fan).

MrDNA 11-04-2008 09:45 PM

Hey, I'm just pissed I don't have cable. I definitely don't want to fondle these old white dudes.

JPhillips 11-04-2008 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang (Post 1879726)
Who knows what the next 4 years hold. Maybe the economic situation worsens, interest rates climb, tax rates aren't what they were made out to be. I don't think it is written in stone that the next 4 years will be better. We hope obviously, but who knows. If things don't go fantastic, going to be real hard to point a finger at the Republicans with a Democratic Congress and President and put the blame on them. To say that the Republican party isn't viable as a national party is a little quick on the trigger.


Short term i think you're right, but long term the Republicans have to be worried that their leadership is pushing in a direction opposite of demographic trends.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 09:47 PM

sweet holographic technology by cnn actually, i'd like to point that out

Lathum 11-04-2008 09:48 PM

This is my first election spent on the west coast and it is kind of odd. It seems like my state is obsolete. I guess if the election was closer it would be different, but its kind of depressing

sabotai 11-04-2008 09:49 PM

CNN HAS CREATED THE HOLODECK!!!!

Buccaneer 11-04-2008 09:49 PM

I had said a while ago that it is all about turn-out. The extra 12-15% will easily be the difference.

BishopMVP 11-04-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord (Post 1879661)
Hey, I'll be the first to admit I will not have worked for the money that I will one day inherit. That said, I've worked damned hard to keep myself living comfortably and NOT having to live off my parents.

The simple truth is....the rich are an easy target to tax into oblivion. It's the bread and circus show of the modern age. Tax the shit out of the rich, keep the plebes on the government teet, and you've got yourself an angle to be popular.

I find that thoroughly irritating.

Sweet, sweet, economic populism.

Depending on how much of Obama's platform passes, we'll probably surpass 50% of voters receiving government programs.

"A democracy only lasts until the population realizes it can vote money to itself."
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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA
It's the only choice possible. We've just watched the embarrassing results of running a sorry ass RINO.

It wasn't too many pages back in the thread where someone described the core of the country as center-right. Maybe even more than that, we don't seem to have much liking for candy asses & half measures, which is exactly what McCain came across as.

Or they could go back to running as fiscal conservatives, which is what led to Reagan's dominant victories and the huge 1994 sweep. (Or they could have lost 2 more senate seats and given the Democrats a veto-proof majority. The pendulum is going to begin swinging back hard in 2010, and 60+ in the Senate would make that even bigger.)

JPhillips 11-04-2008 09:52 PM

Roughly ten minutes until the networks call it for Obama.

Galaxy 11-04-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1879743)

Depending on how much of Obama's platform passes, we'll probably surpass 50% of voters receiving government programs.

"A democracy only lasts until the population realizes it can vote money to itself."Or they could go back to running as fiscal conservatives, which is what led to Reagan's dominant victories and the huge 1994 sweep. (Or they could have lost 2 more senate seats and given the Democrats a veto-proof majority. The pendulum is going to begin swinging back hard in 2010, and 60+ in the Senate would make that even bigger.)


It'll be interesting to see how the congressional seats are re-allocated (and the districts are drawn up) and the electoral votes are also re-allocated for 2012.

Tigercat 11-04-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1879743)
Sweet, sweet, economic populism.

Depending on how much of Obama's platform passes, we'll probably surpass 50% of voters receiving government programs.


We surpassed that long ago, as has every industrialized country I can think of.

JPhillips 11-04-2008 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1879743)
Sweet, sweet, economic populism.

Depending on how much of Obama's platform passes, we'll probably surpass 50% of voters receiving government programs.

"A democracy only lasts until the population realizes it can vote money to itself."Or they could go back to running as fiscal conservatives, which is what led to Reagan's dominant victories and the huge 1994 sweep. (Or they could have lost 2 more senate seats and given the Democrats a veto-proof majority. The pendulum is going to begin swinging back hard in 2010, and 60+ in the Senate would make that even bigger.)


The Senate likely won't change greatly in 2010 as the 04 elections left a pretty Dem favorable map in 2010. But things will eventually swing back, likely in 2012 and 2014 when the Dems have to defend their recent gains.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 09:55 PM

lol - bill bennett has to take off at 11, it's his bedtime

Tigercat 11-04-2008 09:56 PM

Holy Hoosiers batman! Obama leads in Indiana! (for now... by 8k with 94% in)

Galaxy 11-04-2008 09:56 PM

No Erica Hill on CNN tonight? I would like to be in the middle of an Erica Hill-Campbell Brown sandwich.

Lathum 11-04-2008 09:58 PM

CNN just called Virginia for Obama

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1879754)
No Erica Hill on CNN tonight? I would like to be in the middle of an Erica Hill-Campbell Brown sandwich.



mmmm absolutely

think i have time to go have a little alone time with that thought before they call this thing?

Galaxy 11-04-2008 09:59 PM

CNN calls Virginia for Obama. 220 plus the 55 votes from California gives him 275. It's over.

Tigercat 11-04-2008 09:59 PM

Networks calling Virginia might mean they call the election in 30 seconds with California for Obama.

Vegas Vic 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1879759)
CNN calls Virginia for Obama. 220 plus the 55 votes from California gives him 275. It's over.


This is huge for any student of politics. Virginia hasn't voted for a Democrat in 44 years, when LBJ beat Barry Goldwater.

Galaxy 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

CNN called it. Obama is the man.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

CNN calls it for Obama

sabotai 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1879754)
No Erica Hill on CNN tonight? I would like to be in the middle of an Erica Hill-Campbell Brown sandwich.


CNBC - Maria Bartiromo and Michelle Caruso-Cabrera. I'd love to get me in the middle of that.

Greyroofoo 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

MSNBC called the race for Obama

SirFozzie 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

They're calling it!

Flasch186 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

Ill wait for MBBF's poll of polls.

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:00 PM

CNN calls it for Obama

lordscarlet 11-04-2008 10:01 PM

NBC called it.

Young Drachma 11-04-2008 10:01 PM

Watching this is like watching another city's team celebrate a championship.

BYU 14 11-04-2008 10:01 PM

Game, set, match!

Vegas Vic 11-04-2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1879763)
CNN called it. Obama is the man.


And for the first time I can recall in television history, they didn't announce the president elect's full name when he went over the top.

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2008 10:02 PM

These here interwebz are pretty cool things.

My TV (here in the basement) has stayed on a marathon of Dirty Jobs all evening.

I've checked 5 mins or less of TV coverage a few times tonight when delivering local results to my wife but otherwise I've pulled everything I needed from online. And there's a wealth of resources that I could have used that I didn't even bother with, it's not like I wrung everything I could out of it.

cuervo72 11-04-2008 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1879754)
No Erica Hill on CNN tonight? I would like to be in the middle of an Erica Hill-Campbell Brown sandwich.


Hey, ain't nothing wrong with Soledad.

Flasch186 11-04-2008 10:03 PM

nice final stab by VV.

sterlingice 11-04-2008 10:03 PM

Hell, Comedy Central just called it

SI

MrDNA 11-04-2008 10:04 PM

How the heck do they call this now? I seriously don't understand how it works. I'm not celebrating until this stuff is on lockdown. I'm a Browns fan - it ain't over until it's double zeroes for me.

Vegas Vic 11-04-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186 (Post 1879776)
nice final stab by VV.


I called this days ago. Why do you guys think that a long standing tradition was broken tonight? Political correctness?

Young Drachma 11-04-2008 10:04 PM

These throngs of happy black people can't be quelling the fears of white people who thought black folks were gonna take over the country now.

lol

Flasch186 11-04-2008 10:05 PM

dont want to show his true muslimism.

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2008 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP (Post 1879743)
Or they could go back to running as fiscal conservatives, which is what led to Reagan's dominant victories and the huge 1994 sweep.


You'd have enjoyed the young Rep from Wisconsin, Ryan, on FXNC a little while ago I imagine.

I liked the fact that he at least seemed to have some spirit about him & talked about the need to start standing for things again. Even if the stands he chooses aren't the ones I'd prefer, at least he seemed like an (R) that still had a pair. And that was a damned nice change of pace to see/hear.

cartman 11-04-2008 10:06 PM

I would guess that less than 20% of the electorate can say without looking what McCain's middle name is. (Sidney)

Coffee Warlord 11-04-2008 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1879780)
These throngs of happy black people can't be quelling the fears of white people who thought black folks were gonna take over the country now.

lol


I keep getting images of the movie Head of State, with the million California yuppies screaming and sprinting to the polls.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:07 PM

eh, it's a huge moment for black americans, let them have their moment. you see plenty of white people celebrating too

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDNA (Post 1879778)
How the heck do they call this now? I seriously don't understand how it works.


Unlike football, there's only a finite number of "points" (electoral votes) available. Once you have locked up more than half of them, it's over. All that's left at that point is the final score.

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2008 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1879785)
you see plenty of white people celebrating too


Proving once & for all that P.T. Barnum was correct.

Noop 11-04-2008 10:08 PM

:)

Swaggs 11-04-2008 10:09 PM

AP calls Florida for Obama now, too.

Groundhog 11-04-2008 10:09 PM

youporn.com just called it.

Cringer 11-04-2008 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1879780)
These throngs of happy black people can't be quelling the fears of white people who thought black folks were gonna take over the country now.

lol


Minutes before everyone started calling it, the guys on Comedy Central were joking about "the black guys on their shows" taking over the hosting duties now that Obama would be President.

Vegas Vic 11-04-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1879783)
I would guess that less than 20% of the electorate can say without looking what McCain's middle name is. (Sidney)


Perhaps.

But I can guarantee you, if McCain had gone over the top tonight, the call would have been "John Sidney McCain has just been elected the 44th president of the United States".

sabotai 11-04-2008 10:09 PM

All of the news websites already have long articles written and posted. I would love to read the "McCain won" articles, just to see what they said.

JonInMiddleGA 11-04-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1879792)
youporn.com just called it.


Appropriate, considering how screwed the nation is.

Honolulu_Blue 11-04-2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1879783)
I would guess that less than 20% of the electorate can say without looking what McCain's middle name is. (Sidney)


First time I had heard of McCain's middle name.

DeToxRox 11-04-2008 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai (Post 1879795)
All of the news websites already have long articles written and posted. I would love to read the "McCain won" articles, just to see what they said.


Those are with the Tampa Rays World Series Champs shirts in Senegal.

Young Drachma 11-04-2008 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1879785)
eh, it's a huge moment for black americans, let them have their moment. you see plenty of white people celebrating too


Well, that's how he glad elected...so naturally it's a multiracial coalition of happy people. I was just noting how MSNBC has shown tons of footage of black students at historically black colleges and at black churches and lots of crowds of specifically all black or whatever...so I could imagine the horror in a hilariously cynical way.

I'm not enjoying what the commentators are saying, but I guess that's the only approach they can take...

MrDNA 11-04-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879787)
Unlike football, there's only a finite number of "points" (electoral votes) available. Once you have locked up more than half of them, it's over. All that's left at that point is the final score.


But since it's all projections, couldn't the votes that are yet to be counted be so heavily McCain-ized that he would then win? See, I literally don't understand. Epic brain fail.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879788)
Proving once & for all that P.T. Barnum was correct.


in which quote? should i even bother asking?

Honolulu_Blue 11-04-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879796)
Appropriate, considering how screwed the nation is.


Relax, Chicken Little. If this country survived the "leadership" we had to suffer through for the last 8 years, we'll be fine, just fine...

Well done, America. Well done.

Young Drachma 11-04-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeToxRox (Post 1879798)
Those are with the Tampa Rays World Series Champs shirts in Senegal.


They don't do that anymore. They just destroy the shirts now.

lordscarlet 11-04-2008 10:12 PM

Does anyone have voter turnout numbers yet?

Groundhog 11-04-2008 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sabotai (Post 1879795)
All of the news websites already have long articles written and posted. I would love to read the "McCain won" articles, just to see what they said.


"Rioters take control of all major cities as civil unrest spreads faster than the National Guard can handle"?

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud (Post 1879799)
Well, that's how he glad elected...so naturally it's a multiracial coalition of happy people. I was just noting how MSNBC has shown tons of footage of black students at historically black colleges and at black churches and lots of crowds of specifically all black or whatever...so I could imagine the horror in a hilariously cynical way.

I'm not enjoying what the commentators are saying, but I guess that's the only approach they can take...


exactly. They are making it very much about a black achievment thing. And don't get me wrng, It is a huge accomplishment and I think Obama will serve us well.

But it really seems to me like and old vs. young thing.

sabotai 11-04-2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1879806)
"Rioters take control of all major cities as civil unrest spreads faster than the National Guard can handle"?


Really? Fuck, I wanted McCain to win then!

Pumpy Tudors 11-04-2008 10:14 PM

I'll be watching the mailbox for my "black president" check to show up... unless I don't get one because I didn't vote. Then I'm just gonna be pissed.

SirFozzie 11-04-2008 10:14 PM

Florida and Virginia. just wow.

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1879801)
in which quote? should i even bother asking?


my guess would be " a sucker is born every minute"

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:15 PM

they are going wild in the streets of Seattle right now

cartman 11-04-2008 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors (Post 1879809)
I'll be watching the mailbox for my "black president" check to show up... unless I don't get one because I didn't vote. Then I'm just gonna be pissed.


I think Danny Glover has your check.

Cringer 11-04-2008 10:16 PM

Oh, Carl Rove just said the Cosby family was a "black" America's First Family, so this isn't a first. Yeah, same thing.....

Pumpy Tudors 11-04-2008 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1879813)
I think Danny Glover has your check.

I feel the need to make another video for YouTube.

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman (Post 1879813)
I think Danny Glover has your check.


nope.

Kevin Weeks does, and the fucker better earn it.

Flasch186 11-04-2008 10:17 PM

Welp, MBBF inner polls were absolutely off target by a wide wide margin.

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:17 PM

CNN had stats earlier showing that age was a bigger factor than race - just FYI.

BishopMVP 11-04-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigercat (Post 1879749)
We surpassed that long ago, as has every industrialized country I can think of.

I meant to say receiving more in government programs than they pay in taxes.
Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 1879750)
The Senate likely won't change greatly in 2010 as the 04 elections left a pretty Dem favorable map in 2010. But things will eventually swing back, likely in 2012 and 2014 when the Dems have to defend their recent gains.

Senate, no, but the House will shift 25-30 seats minimum, unless the fight for control of the Republican Party between Fiscal and Social Conservatives is still ongoing and they're tearing each other apart.

lungs 11-04-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1879782)
You'd have enjoyed the young Rep from Wisconsin, Ryan, on FXNC a little while ago I imagine.

I liked the fact that he at least seemed to have some spirit about him & talked about the need to start standing for things again. Even if the stands he chooses aren't the ones I'd prefer, at least he seemed like an (R) that still had a pair. And that was a damned nice change of pace to see/hear.


He might be one to watch. The fact that he is a (R) in a district that contains Janesville (GM plant that is closing) Racine and Kenosha (pretty much Milwaukee) is telling.

I wonder if he'll someday look to succeed Jim Doyle as Governor or maybe waiting for Herb Kohl to retire from the Senate. Feingold is unbeatable in Wisconsin so he'd be crazy to run against him.

He would even possibly be an (R) I could get behind, so that tells me he's probably not your kind of (R), Jon.

Arles 11-04-2008 10:18 PM

Yeah, this is a nice moment for the country. I think Obama is a good person and will try to be a good leader. I hope he succeeds.

Lathum 11-04-2008 10:18 PM

how amazing must it be for the older generation of black people to see this.

Despite what side you fall on, we are witnessing a form of history tonight that comes along once in a lifetime.

Pumpy Tudors 11-04-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1879816)
nope.

Kevin Weeks does, and the fucker better earn it.

Times are changing. Two black players in New Jersey and now a black president-elect. I can already see the Jamaican bobsled team winning the gold in 2010.

Yep, this check had better show up soon.

Kodos 11-04-2008 10:18 PM

I don't know that I have ever been more proud of our country. God Bless America!

sterlingice 11-04-2008 10:19 PM

You stay classy, McCain camp boo'ers

SI

sabotai 11-04-2008 10:19 PM

Florida's Gay Marriage ban amendment: 75% reporting, 62% "Yes" (needs 60% to pass)
Arizona Gay marriage ban amendment: 58% reporting, 56% "Yes" (don't know what it needs to pass).

California is just 2% reporting, but 56% "yes".

Greyroofoo 11-04-2008 10:20 PM

Wow, McCain seems quick with the concession speech

digamma 11-04-2008 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1879773)
And for the first time I can recall in television history, they didn't announce the president elect's full name when he went over the top.


My guess is that your memory is pretty selective.

Noop 11-04-2008 10:20 PM

Is McCain going to cry?

I have all the respect in the world for John McCain.

I am however glad Sarah Palin will not be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Easy Mac 11-04-2008 10:21 PM

they're booing Obama during mccain's concession. You stay classy republicans.

sterlingice 11-04-2008 10:21 PM

That said, McCain, extremely classy

SI

lordscarlet 11-04-2008 10:21 PM

OK. This has bothered me the ENTIRE election. Maybe I am remembering wrong, but I don't recall any election, and I haven't seen anything on the Obama side during this election, where there is so much booing from the crowd. McCain is doing his concession speech, and says "I just had the pleasure of speaking to Barack Obama a few moments ago" and people start boing. What the hell is wrong with these people?

On another note, for those that don't know, I live in downtown Washington, DC. There are tons of cars driving by with a cheerful honking. There's also a lot of local footage of people cheering in the streets (only 6 or so blocks from me, but I have already settled in for the night. :) )

Cringer 11-04-2008 10:22 PM

Damn good speech by McCain. It shows the part of him that I like.

Galaxy 11-04-2008 10:22 PM

What's is the popular vote right now?

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:22 PM

classy speech by McCain here I gotta say. kudos

MrDNA 11-04-2008 10:22 PM

I kinda wish McCain would've come out with a "F*%k that guy! You voters are morons!" speech :)

SirFozzie 11-04-2008 10:22 PM

*applauds McCain*

Celeval 11-04-2008 10:22 PM

I don't agree with McCain politically, but I certainly respect him.

MrDNA 11-04-2008 10:23 PM

They're chanting "Mumble John?"

sabotai 11-04-2008 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1879837)
What's is the popular vote right now?


Obama: 41.6 million
McCain: 39.0 million

DaddyTorgo 11-04-2008 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galaxy (Post 1879837)
What's is the popular vote right now?


41.8 - 39.2 (million)

51% - 48%

Honolulu_Blue 11-04-2008 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 1879834)
That said, McCain, extremely classy

SI


I like McCain. I feel bad for him.

Young Drachma 11-04-2008 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 1879807)
exactly. They are making it very much about a black achievment thing. And don't get me wrng, It is a huge accomplishment and I think Obama will serve us well.

But it really seems to me like and old vs. young thing.


Young versus old and frankly, a very well run campaign versus one that wasn't done quite as well and against a candidate who had a very, very hard task ahead of him. Sad to see McCain have to go out like this, honestly...but at the same time, this is an Obama victory borne out of sheer will and tactical organization.

I'd hate for this thing to turn into something more than just a "OMGZ! Black folks win," because if were only about that...this would've happened a lot sooner.

He seems calmer right now, McCain in this speech. I think he expected that this thing would go a little longer into the night.

MrDNA 11-04-2008 10:24 PM

McCain's mom is alive?! Wow.

Swaggs 11-04-2008 10:24 PM

Nice speech by McCain.


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