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Dean Phillips, a Democratic congressman from Minnesota, is announcing Friday he is entering the primaries against Biden. He resigned his leadership post a couple of weeks ago saying he was angry the party wasn't putting a candidate up against Biden, and I guess it should come as no surprise that he meant that candidate to be himself.
Btw: His slogan is going to be "Make America Affordable Again!". I don't think aping the Trump slogan is going to win you over to Democrats, but I will say that I think a "It's the grocery store, stupid" focus is pretty solid. |
Pritzker should have run but I'm guessing he's going to go in 2028.
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Rainmaker, I think anybody that really wants to be President in the future has no interest in pissing off the party now by challenging a sitting President. I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have a true alternative, but no one is really has a shot to take out an incumbent.
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Wed, Nov 8 for Debate #3.
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Trump is leading by 40-50 points. Cancel the debates.
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Mike Pence has suspended his Presidential campaign. Didn't even make it to the first vote.
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He should be forced to carry his campaign to term.
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Mother is heartbroken.
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I guess thoughts and prayers didn't work for Pence either.
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I still have no idea what kind of campaign Pence was trying to run and how he thought whatever he was doing could win.
His only chance, and it was a remote one, was to come out swinging and tell people how he had a first hand view of how awful of a leader Trump was. Spill the tea, try to convince enough voters that he's a godless charlatan that lacks morals. Nothing else was going to work. |
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Yeah embrace Christian nationalism, tell everyone that Trump never went to church but played golf instead. Make himself the leader Christians wanted to follow, but instead we got blah Pence. I wonder when/if Trump goes to jail, gets 14th Amendment from running again, he'll restart his campaign. |
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What's so confusing about how these candidates are handling Trump is that at least one of them may end up on a debate stage with him. What's their plan then? Do they think Trump is going to say nice things about them and tip toe around issues? |
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They all will suspend their campaigns if Trump ever goes to a debate, because then they will all have to tell everyone how horrible he would be if he got back to the Oval Office, Better to just kiss the ring and move on. |
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The thing with Christian nationalists is they don't actually care about the Christian part that much. The fact that Trump and all his vices got the support of evangelicals tells you all you need to know. Pence is a dumb guy who probably thought some straight talk would turn people around. But I think most of the other candidates are just trying to get their name out there for a 2028 run (Haley, Vivek) or angling for the VP spot (Scott). DeSantis was the only one who had a reasonable shot but he ran maybe the worst campaign in history. |
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Rudy Giuliani from 2008 would like a word. |
I think DeSantis was worse. And that's saying something.
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Jeb!
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There are definitely a bunch of good candidates. Clinton in 08 & 16 also needs to be in the running, although mostly on hubris.
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He's relishing this.
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TBH I'm not sure why RFK is getting a 22% support. It probably won't last but it's an interesting situation.
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It's the grocery store, stupid.
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Trump is going to win the White House because this old m-fer didn't know when to step aside:
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"I've proven I can beat Trump." November 8th-ish: "Damn, I thought for sure I'd win again." At least we'll now have a replacement for Thanks, Obama! |
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He's cooked.
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This is insane. 13 point gap between Biden and generic Dem.
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That's not a surprised though. "No set candidate" always fair better than an actual human. Voters project their own values to "no set candidate", and that magic candidate has no negative traits that any human is going to have.
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I have to admit that the guy just seems so awkward at being a human I'm almost feeling sorry for him.
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So his "girlfriend" will only be kept around as long as he has a VP shot, right?
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The election is a year away. There's bad news for Biden to be sure, but it's far from over.
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Can't a guy catch a break with all you critics.
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Started dating 5-6 months before he announced his candidacy. Seems to be about the right timeline in preparation for such things...
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Haley doing well in New Hampshire.
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Vivek would get a boost in a non-Trump primary because a decent chunk of the MAGA people love him. Apparently toxic masculinity is the only box they really care is checked. I don't think Trump's hold on the GOP is as strong as it seems. It's partly smoke and mirrors. I'd go as far to say the majority of the party would rather he not run or would prefer a better candidate. They just can't come to a consensus on who that is so they're just going with Trump because they know what they're getting. |
It sounds like Tim Scott's money people are falling in with Haley. She seems to be where the non-Trumpers are starting to gather. She has no chance, but for her to have one most if the rest of group needs to drop. I just don't see DeSantis doing her that favor.
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I dunno, the facts seem to indicate that Trump's hold over the GOP is not only pretty strong, but it's pretty reliant on him, as DeSantis' and Ramaswamy's attempts to infiltrate using his schtick look to have failed.
Probably a third of state filing deadlines (for primaries) have already passed, and most of the rest will pass by the end of December, so this is group (barring drop-outs) who head into the primaries. I'm with GD: looks to be shaping up to be a 2-horse race with Trump and Haley, neatly encapsulating the lines drawn in the to-date super one-sided GOP civil war. However, with the kind of polling leads Trump has, and most of the primaries being winner-takes-all/winner-takes-most, I could functionally see this being over by March. |
Are you saying the charade is over by March or that it actually is over mathematically by March? There is literally no chance it's anyone other than Trump unless he (god willing) drops dead and even then he'd probably still be the nominee.
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Probably charade, as I'm not sure if one can get a majority of delegates by March, but presume he'll have basically an insurmountable delegate lead by then.
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Gives him plenty of time to have people come and kiss the ring if they want the VP slot. That'll be the real show.
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I wonder if this becomes a way to attack Biden or maybe Trump come a general election. Surprised to see them calling it out.
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Nice win for Haley.
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Trump showing up at the Clemson-Carolina game shows he's at least hedging. Haley pretty much needs every non-trump candidate to drop out in the next week or 2 to even get a minute chance. If there's anyone siphoning her votes in the first primary or two, she won't get the chance to hang in for the longer primary season.
As someone who lives in Haley's state, she's annoying but your average politician. She's at least shown the ability to be swayed by public opinion to do the bare minimum of a right thing (see Confederate flag). I don't think she'd be a good president, but the country would at least slow it's collapse into degeneracy as opposed to Trump. |
Trump will soon attack Haley. How she (and others) respond will be critical.
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She will be well positioned if Trump drops out or is not available, but it is still so early. We've had similar pushes at 10-15 months out before from Rudy Giulliani, Mike Huckabee, Hermain Cain, Ron Paul, and Rick Santorum (I'm sure I'm forgetting some others) in recent years. I guess the best hope for the non-Trump candidates is to have enough money to survive through the primaries and hope he drops out. I can't even imagine what would happen if he wins the primaries and then becomes unable to run and who they might come to a consensus on if they choose at the convention.
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