Sorry brotha.

Now see, I thought Hitler would have been an inspired Diplomat pick before Otto went.

I think you get good value for Hitler here.

Surprised he was still available. Hopefully Ghandi can keep him in check.

I was thinking Smith was ruled from Scotland, I'll let Larry put him in for UK, I dont want to edit my pick

I'm still inwardly fuming over the Mill pick. I got cockblocked in category and nation by a pick that I think is inferior to mine. Grrr!!!

DT was just whining about it.

I look forward to the vote rational on that one later;)

Do we really think that Ben Franklin is the best American scientist of either pre 20th or 20th+?

Yay, ntndeacon!

No, but I think people will see his name and think it's a major name.

On my way home, so if it gets to me, brief wait.

I'm off. Send a pm to larry in case m yturn rolls around

There are aton of great ones and I bet the ones you are thinking of were among the others three specifically I kept going back and forth with. But, in the end I like old Ben's breadth of work as opposed to one guy who had one or two major inventions.

4.4-Tobias Michael Carel Asser-Justice Minister-The Netherlands-20th century

He is one of the founders of the Court at The Hague

Edison?

I think Franklin, because of his versatility is a great pick. Best scientist? Maybe, maybe not, but someone I'd want in my cabinet for the breadth he could offer.

Two more to go and I'll be pissed if DT or CW takes my pick.

Good point.

It certainly wouldn't please the man, but Scotland counts as UK/GBR/whatever you want to call it.

cool. The pick is still valid, I just didn't want to make any edits to the original pick

Damn you! was going to be my diplomat!

damn - so i'm up again already? yikes

really? i'm surprised this guy has fallen...

Don't you dare.

were you thinking a scientist CW?

If I was, it'd be useless, since I have Einstein. :)

Am I going to have kick one or both of your tails?

4.5 ISAAC NEWTON, SCIENTIST, UNITED KINGDOM, PRE-20TH CENTURY

He still ranks ahead of Einstein as the most influential scientist in human history according to surveys of scientists done over the past few years.Without him...we're nowhere.

Seriously. The suspense is killing me, especially because I am holding off doing something until my pick comes around and sooner is better than later.

Great choice DT.

4.6 Charlemagne, Leader/Ruler, France, Pre-20th

Said to be the father of Europe, the first Holy Roman Emperor, and united a whole major part of Europe.

Excellent pick, DT and one I had as a backup plan for scientist.

4.7 Hammurabi - Justice Minister - Iraq - Pre-20th Century

When a nation needs to have a code of laws, who better to draw upon than the man who established the first code in human history? Some of the edicts might seem draconian to modern American minds, but that's what the other members of the Cabinet are for.

I was hoping he would drop just a few more spots.

nice - i considered him as my justice minister, but i feel like he wasn't necessarily the one who like...conceived of all of them necessarily...idk - maybe i'm wrong about that though

I feel like we should have had a "thinker" category of which he'd have been perfect. Franklin would also have been strong there, as would many of the other famous philosophers/public intellecturals.

Wow. I really thought I was going to be able to slip that one in in like the 6th round.

Larry: any chance of getting the first page updated as we wait on noop?

It's too shallow a category to risk it. There was only other backup I thought of just now after I made the pick and I would've scrambled outside of that. So yeah, took it while it was there. :D

Can't fault you at all.

That was my pick, so you guessed right.

Good deal.

give me a sec

In my mind, he's the #1 overall Military leader up for grabs. Considering where he started and what he ended up with, I can't think of another military commander who was more impressive.

Nice last couple of picks.

It was between Franklin and this guy when I was picking.

Yup, him and Graham Bell were on my list.

He's actually a good choice for Ruler/Leader too.