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molson 05-16-2008 09:43 PM

I wonder if Lebron has ever been called for a blocking foul.

DaddyTorgo 05-16-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 1729626)
I wonder if Lebron has ever been called for a blocking foul.


nope. that was fucking bullshit. Fucking homer call.

Noop 05-16-2008 09:49 PM

Unless we have a Reggie Miller'est performance in the last 14.4 seconds looks like Boston will be 0 for 6 on the road for the playoffs.

Noop 05-16-2008 09:50 PM

Maybe you guys aren't the most objectionably in this matter...maybe.

DaddyTorgo 05-16-2008 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1729630)
Maybe you guys aren't the most objectionably in this matter...maybe.


he was moving sideways and wasn't planted. Even the espn announcers said that

molson 05-16-2008 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1729630)
Maybe you guys aren't the most objectionably in this matter...maybe.


No, but do you think that was a charge? Or that Allen was goaltended? Or that Smith traveled?

Noop 05-16-2008 09:51 PM

I most have missed that.

molson 05-16-2008 09:53 PM

Don't get me wrong, the C's still sucked down the stretch once again. But that's a tough trio of calls in the last 90 seconds.

Noop 05-16-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 1729632)
No, but do you think that was a charge? Or that Allen was goaltended? Or that Smith traveled?


Charge didn't see. Goaltend according to the rules I guess. Travel? I have only seen that called against the Celtics.

stevew 05-16-2008 10:04 PM

The charge could have gone either way, but Pierce is such a pussy boy drama queen, so fuck him. He instigated that contact when his shoulders weren't square to the defender. He was playing out of control. I've seen that one called a ton on the offensive player, including several times against LeBron in these playoffs.

Yeah, that was probably goaltending, although it hit the side of the glass and I'm not sure that means the same as if it hits the front of the glass. It very well may. I think West got that one on the way up or at its peak.

Probably a travel.

stevew 05-16-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1729631)
he was moving sideways and wasn't planted. Even the espn announcers said that


That's not the whole criteria to determine whether or not something is an offensive foul. It may be bad judgement on the refs part, but it has been called pretty liberally for awhile now. Good defensive positioning will sometimes draw an offensive foul even if your feet aren't set. And pierce lunged there, which can also lead to an offensive foul.

wade moore 05-16-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1729641)
That's not the whole criteria to determine whether or not something is an offensive foul. It may be bad judgement on the refs part, but it has been called pretty liberally for awhile now. Good defensive positioning will sometimes draw an offensive foul even if your feet aren't set. And pierce lunged there, which can also lead to an offensive foul.

Yeah, I thought Pierce lowering his shoulder was the key.

MrBug708 05-16-2008 10:47 PM

Lakers playing well

Chief Rum 05-16-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 1729632)
No, but do you think that was a charge? Or that Allen was goaltended? Or that Smith traveled?


A charge? No. An offensive foul? Possibly--he drove in with his shoulder down.

Goaltended? Technically, yes, but only by the letter of the law. That ball wasn't going to end up anywhere near the hoop. But, called straight, yes, that should have been two points.

I missed the Smith play, but I only caught the last few minutes, and that was without sound.

I think the C's are going to win going away on Sunday.

MrBug708 05-17-2008 12:11 AM

C'mon Lakers...Hold On...

MrBug708 05-17-2008 12:11 AM

Good Lord

Neon_Chaos 05-17-2008 12:19 AM

WHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Western Conference Finals!

MrBug708 05-17-2008 12:20 AM

Holy Crap that was nerveracking

rjolley 05-17-2008 12:48 AM

I thought the Pierce/Lebron call was poor. Looked like Lebron reached in to go for the steal and initiated the contact. Didn't appear Pierce was out of control, more like he was doing what perimeter players, including Lebron, usually do, put their head down and try to get to the rim. Thought Lebron got the advantage with the reach and the foul should've been defensive.

The travel by Garnett in the paint was valid. Not sure which one you're talking about on Smith...unless the one on Garnett was actually on Smith.

The non-call on the goaltend was the right call. I don't think the side of the backboard counts as the backboard in the context of a goaltend.

Thought the C's were going to pull it off. Pierce and Allen struggled to make shots. Back to Boston. Should be a good game on Sunday.

Mantle2600 05-17-2008 02:38 AM

Pierce hit LBJ alot harder on that call than Bron was hitting Pierce on his charges, so cry me a river. Even if it's not called it does'nt mean the Celtics would have won the game. If their so better then it's time to put up or shut up.

MrBug708 05-17-2008 02:40 AM

As a Lakers fan, I'm not sure who I want in the next round. Spurs are aging but are battle tested and the Lakers have some unfinished business with them. The Hornets are young and dangerous but this is very unfamiliar ground for them

Neon_Chaos 05-17-2008 02:45 AM

Bring on the Hornets. I'd rather see either the Lakers or NO to advance to the finals than the Spurs again. :)

Neon_Chaos 05-17-2008 02:45 AM

Bug, as a fellow Kobeliever, did you even imagine that the Lakers would be where they are at this point in the season?

:D

MrBug708 05-17-2008 02:52 AM

Preseason? No. What Kobe has done (and Jerry West this year for us :)) has been nothing short of amazing. Kobe's numbers were very similiar to some of Jordan's numbers when they were winning championships instead of playing for themselves. :)

miami_fan 05-17-2008 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1729666)
Holy Crap that was nerveracking


They did not get the memo that they were suppose to quit when they were down by 16 going into the 4th.

MrBug708 05-17-2008 10:13 AM

I think they missed the memo where they were not suppose to make 5 of 7 from the three with under 2 minutes to play

stevew 05-17-2008 10:58 AM

Jazz got 2 good looks at the end, I guess that's all the more you can hope for.

The Ray Allen shot could not have been goaltending since there was no chance of it going in. That's according to the rules.

The Cavs should have closed this one out already, they blew 2 games in Boston thus far. Hopefully they get their shit together, and play all 48 minutes on sunday.

Noop 05-17-2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1729746)
The Cavs should have closed this one out already, they blew 2 games in Boston thus far. Hopefully they get their shit together, and play all 48 minutes on sunday.


Careful now... some people might think your talking out your bottom.

stevew 05-17-2008 01:06 PM

I think they blew 1 and 5, granted it's to be expected with our dumbass coach and questionable rotation.

Noop 05-18-2008 02:48 PM

Well looks like the Celtics came to play.

Noop 05-18-2008 02:55 PM

Perkins for the Celtics might need to tone it down a bit. He seems like he is more interested in fighting then he is in playing basketball.

Pumpy Tudors 05-18-2008 03:14 PM

I wish they had decided to play the basketball game later tonight. I like hockey more than I like basketball, so I'm watching that instead. I'd love to watch a game 7, though, and I'm missing it.

If game 5 is any indication, however, the final couple of minutes in Boston will take several hours, so I should have plenty of time to see the end of it once hockey's over.

Seriously, I do hope that I get to see the end of game 7, and I hope it's an entertaining game by that point.

SirFozzie 05-18-2008 04:37 PM

James and Pierce are going at it like 'Nique and Bird in game 7 so far.

The only question is can the Cavs have someone, anyone pick things up?

Noop 05-18-2008 04:56 PM

The Celtics have been in control this whole game and to be honest I would be surprised if they lost this game with 9:37 left to go in the 4th quarter.

molson 05-18-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SirFozzie (Post 1730144)
James and Pierce are going at it like 'Nique and Bird in game 7 so far.



Lebron's missing WAY more shots than 'Nique did that game.

SirFozzie 05-18-2008 05:06 PM

Wow. Refs COMPLETELY missed it there. That was awful

Radii 05-18-2008 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1730147)
The Celtics have been in control this whole game and to be honest I would be surprised if they lost this game with 9:37 left to go in the 4th quarter.


even after Lebron hit those two three pointers I still have this same feeling.

SirFozzie 05-18-2008 05:15 PM

I get the same feeling Nique gave me way back when every time James has the ball.

molson 05-18-2008 05:19 PM

When did the Flagrant Foul rule rule change? I don't remember announcers constantly yelling about it until recently.

molson 05-18-2008 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Radii (Post 1730152)
even after Lebron hit those two three pointers I still have this same feeling.


Unfortunately, I'm getting the feeling the Celtics players feel that way too.

SirFozzie 05-18-2008 05:23 PM

If you told me P.J. Brown was going to take a key shot with just over a minute to play, I would tell you I want Doc Rivers fired... or beheaded. (ok, kidding about the beheading)

Radii 05-18-2008 05:24 PM

If the Cavs leave him in the game, I would be fouling Ben Wallace at every opportunity now.

SirFozzie 05-18-2008 05:30 PM

And now I see the difference between James and 'Nique (Not much, but a difference)

Noop 05-18-2008 05:31 PM

If LeBron and his teammates weren't complaining for the foul they might have been able to foul someone other then Ray Allen who is money at the line.

molson 05-18-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1729781)
I think they blew 1 and 5, granted it's to be expected with our dumbass coach and questionable rotation.


The Celtics blew games 4 and 6. But it looks the Cavs will blow more games in the end.

Noop 05-18-2008 05:31 PM

LeBron James is a way better player then Wilkins ever was or could be...

MrBug708 05-18-2008 05:33 PM

Great decision by Lebron

molson 05-18-2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1730171)
LeBron James is a way better player then Wilkins ever was or could be...


Very true, but I think there's been a little too much praise for him in a series where he's shooting 32%.

HE blew this series for Cleveland with his shitty shooting, and that's not the media line for whatever reason.

Noop 05-18-2008 05:36 PM

The Celtics are a team of fortune.

larrymcg421 05-18-2008 05:37 PM

Same decision he got criticized for last year against Detroit. The only difference is his guy made the shot this time.


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