At least one of Biden, Trump, and Hillary is better than historically bad.

ohio sucks...and I oughtta know...

and here Bernie is out in Wisconsin campaigning for Biden like bulldog. I love that guy. Oh what could have been. But people would be saying the same things.

Seriously 4 years ago...everything being discussed NOW was OBVIOUS 4 years ago. Were they seriously not worried? Were they thinking...oh we'll just put a new candidate in in 4 years. Well here we are. They didn't do that. And he didn't do that.

They're coming out of the woodworks now. CNN is reporting below but I refuse to listen to the video clip vs. just read ...

Video: Carl Bernstein says sources suggest concerns about Biden have been growing for a year | CNN Politics


So went to the ever reliable DM. Assume it's reporting similar to the CNN video.

Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein claims Biden's staffers have witnessed up to 20 'marked incidence of cognitive decline and physical infirmity' in the ailing president in the last 18 months | Daily Mail Online

Vanity Fair posted a picture of RFK Jr. posing with a barbecued dog carcass.

I said it after the debate. His performance is a national security risk.


Several US military bases in Europe on heightened alert amid possible terrorist threat | CNN Politics

Silver has Biden’s chances down to 28%

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This is not good....

NEWS

A private poll conducted by the same group which does polling for President BIden’s super pac shows that Biden’s support has started to tumble in key electoral battlegrounds in the wake of his disastrous debate performance in Atlanta.

Biden’s diminished standing is now… pic.twitter.com/WgJnQimWUZ

— Yashar Ali �� (@yashar) July 2, 2024

I think Bidens biggest weakness is that his sexual assault allegations were unfounded and he pushed back too hard against them instead of wearing it like a badge of honor.

It'll take a semi-miracle for him to come back from his Stockdale moment. But then, that did happen in 2019 with South Carolina. So, there is hope.

I don't have regular TV, but if not already, he needs to be appearing at public events, take questions, maybe appear on Sun talk shows etc. to show that the Jun debate was an aberration. Do several of these successfully and then maybe many of supporters & undecided will be somewhat mollified.

Hes not capable of that though. It would almost certainly have the opposite effect.

I saw on Twitter he's doing an interview with George Stephanopoulos on Friday but it's not live. And I guess he's taking questions from the press next week. He should have been out there today. If he can't do these things then withdraw.

Positive performances from here on out might make the debate performance questionable in some people's minds, but each appearance is also a risk that he stumbles and makes things even worse. Is that really a risk you want to take, over and over again with an 80 year old who has speaking problems by default?

If he was fine mentally, they would have had him do a long press conference and going out on all the Sunday talk shows. It would have immediately calmed people down and ended any talk of replacing him.

The fact they can't do that is a clear sign he is not mentally fit. And the scumbags in his administration who continue to lie to people about it are helping usher in Trump. You can thank them all when this is over.

He has to perform "normally" every time out. No room for another "McConnell freeze" moment. It's just not going to happen.

And then there's the unfortunate fact that he can't appear ... 81 years old? There's a shot of him at the rally the day after the debate, when pretty much everyone says he was so much better, where Dr. Jill is speaking and he's standing there, staring off into space, mouth ajar. You know, like old people - even those who have their shit together - sometimes look. It's viral moments like that that are going to stick in peoples' minds and reinforce the idea that he's now Debate Biden 24/7.

This shit is really scary.

Holy crap. There's no chance, but it would be crazy:

Some Democratic party sources are "already floating the idea of opening it up to all contenders, having, let's call it a five-week speed-dating primary, maybe having debates between now and the convention, and then leaving it up to the convention." pic.twitter.com/Jc8Zm2nvSu

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) July 3, 2024

We've had news items on multiple local channels, plus articles in local papers, nearly every day about Andy Beshear jumping into the race.

He'd be interesting for sure.

Trump is a really weak candidate thatl I bet a lot of people will throw their hat in. Seen people hyping up Shapiro and JB was on CNN earlier.

I still haven't heard a good response to how the Dems explain to African-American voters why they passed over Kamala for a white guy.

Trump's team is probably already working on statements responding to that possibility.

The Democrats might lose no matter who they pick, but if they lose black voters, they'll never win another election again.

No one gives a shit about Kamala.

kamala was never the candidate 4 years ago what are you talking about?
Harris may have been going to be given the reins in 4 more years as that's how it works. (not that I like that that's how it works)

Should that be their response to Trump's attacks? I don't think that will work.

Also, people definitely care about Clyburn, as we saw in 2020, and he has said it has to be Biden or Harris.

PredictIt is moving in her direction...

Biden .46
Harris .36

Everyone else less than .10

She ran in 2020 and no one cared. Her approval numbers are pretty bad.

With that said, she would still be an upgrade over Joe merely for the fact she can draw a clock on a piece of paper. I also think it would motivate some Democrats to have someone with more energy running. And reports have been that she has been against the genocide in Gaza which is why shes been so silent on the topic.

I think if you paired her with a popular governor like Shapiro, she'd win.

The America I was lead to believe existed, is dead. We are fully on the path towards authoritarian subjugation.

Biden needs to go. The whole thing still has time to be wiped and reset. Let it be an ugly brokered convention. Maybe then, there will be someone everyone can support. Biden is done.

I think it’s pretty much over at this point regardless. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Beshear I suspect is the best possible alternative - white male governor of a red state.

Harris doesn’t have the charisma and is tied to the administration. Newsome has the California problem - a shit ton of people blame Californians for ruining the housing market (yes, I know, corporations in actuality, but perceptions and all that).

Again? Damn.

If he can't fix that problem, that's a pretty bad sign IMO. Either no one has told him about it (which I can't believe) or ... he doesn't remember or have enough self awareness to keep his mouth closed.



My vote is Michele. I know she seems reluctant to get into politics, but I do believe the Dems would rally behind her.

Just a moment...

Vanity Fair is all-in for the Democrats so this is not surprising. It’s not clear yet if they are trying to secure more votes for Biden or for his Democratic ouster.

RFK, fwiw, says it was a picture taken in 2010 of a BBQ’d goat in South America.

25 governors are travelling to DC tonight to talk to Biden.

It is totally over and he has to drop out.

Do you want to move on to his refusal to deny that he sexually assaulted a 23 year-old?

Hearing reports that Biden didn’t start his debate prep until 11 each day and also took a nap every day and that’s the performance we got. He just isn’t capable to do the job. I’m fully in the camp now that the people that surround him are power hungry and want to hold on.

I always have to remind people of the bolded, 31% of single family dwellings in AZ were bought by larger investors/corporations. Only Georgia was higher when these numbers were collected.

Heritage Foundation president celebrates Supreme Court presidential immunity ruling: "We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be" https://t.co/ndMJlNlUKH

— Media Matters (@mmfa) July 3, 2024

Yeah, I mean overall I feel like this deserves more attention than "Vanity Fair is lying about goats."

Time for Michelle Obama to become a national hero.

I still think Taylor Swift could jump in and become president if she wanted to.

Smart of Trump to stay out of the news so not to interrupt and let the Dems/ liberal media eat their young ... or in this case, their old.

Com'on Michelle, say yes. Or maybe say yes as the VP. Two black women on the ticket!

26% of the most affordable homes in the 4th quarter last year were purchased by investors. It's enough to push the market around. Front and back end.

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More movement on PredictIt.

Kamala now at .49 and Joe down to .27

It definitely feels like things are starting to snowball on Biden. Having it leaked that he told donors he almost fell asleep on the debate stage, and then a "key ally" reported to have said he's considering stepping away from running is the kind of 1-2 punch that I'm not sure he could plausibly recover from.

What's he going to say - I thought about it and after my second nap of the day, I decided I am more determined than ever to run?

I remember my wife making fun of me catching naps in the afternoon. I told her "you wait, you'll understand" ... and now she does.

Give Joe a break. Catching a nap is okay.

Media (and bettors) can't handle having nominations settled this early, know Trump isn't going anywhere, so they drum up this to get everyone riled. It didn't help that Biden gave them a big foot in the door with the debate.

(Both media overlords and reporters want this "action" of course. And probably still wouldn't mind Trump winning, because his was a more "exciting" four years and, well, the media companies are run by rich folks.

I'm still not convinced "anyone" can just walk in and beat Trump, fwiw. I also don't know what Harris buys you over Biden/Harris. If at some point he shows he can't do the job, then step down and let her take over. I don't see why running her is "whew, that's fine" vs "OMG HOW DU WE LET VEPP BE PREZ??" say, a year down the road.)

Assuming these are legit leaks and not fabrications. They may be, but again, to what I said about the media wanting this to snowball...

(Red side, too. I'm sure they are loving all this.)

I mean, this, basically:

Me: Yeah the debate was bad, but I'm sure that the Supreme Court wildin' out will refocus the narrative on what's important.
SCOTUS: PRESIDENTS ARE KINGS
Trump: I had Epstein on speed dial.
RFK: I ate a dog.
Me: See.
Media: BIDEN MUST DROP OUT OF THE RACE
Me: [deep sigh]

— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) July 3, 2024

Totally agree. But we've been in this alternate reality for damn near a decade, so I don't expect anything to change.

For anyone of his age not responsible for anything beyond themselves at any given moment, absolutely fair point. It becomes a little concerning when it’s a bus driver or a surgical doctor that’s taking naps on the job.

Maybe Joe should just label naps "Executive Time."

I'm not going to argue that Biden is the best candidate but the GOP finds things to attack Dem candidates with and make dem voters question their candidate and they fall for it every time.

Meanwhile the GOP is voting for their guy no matter what. They don't care. They see us as in a cold war currently and it's winner take all.

This is why dems are the majority in this country and losing every fight. Dems are looking for reasons to not vote for their candidates and the GOP just wants to win.

Honestly, this feels like an opportunity for the rest of us who are more blue but hate Biden to get him out and reset things moving forward. We need a better leader. So it's more than just media, or Rs, there's a lot more of us who want to push on the button that makes him go than just that.

Right-wing media will gladly cover and obscure any of Trump's gaffes, while they and the rest of the media will gleefully report Biden's gaffes. It's not a level playing field, but you can't put that toothpase back in the tube, in 5 months time, either.

Yeah, but can everybody agree on one w/o alienating others within the party?

The pundit class need to get a grip

I mean, this (PilotMan's line) perfectly illustrates Atocep's line "Dems are looking for reasons to not vote for their candidates."

The difference is that the GOP gives their voters a candidate that they like and want to vote for. The Dems pick a candidate that the leaders of the party want and demand unconditional support.

People knock Trump supporters as cultists but he changes his stance based on what his voters want. He did a 180 on the vaccine that his administration helped spearhead. Swapped his position on banning TikTok. His events are kind of a way to test out what the audience likes and doesn't like. He has no real ideology besides making a subset of people happy.

Meanwhile Democrats lied about Biden's condition for years and then at the last minute want to blackmail their supporters into voting for him. His policies have been fueled by donors and he's done some incredibly unpopular things to appease them. When people were shocked at how poor he looked mentally at the debate, they called their base bedwetters and blamed a cold (now I guess he says it's excess travel).

I think the best description I've seen is Republican politicians are scared of upsetting their base. Democrats don't care. And part of that is because Democratic leadership is perfectly happy with Republicans in power.

No one is looking for a reason. The reason is clear. He's unpopular and has dementia.

I forget, have you told everyone who this mystic hero is that everyone wants to vote for?

McCain wasn't who they wanted and they went with him. Romney definitely wasn't someone they wanted but he had a close election with Obama. Trump wasn't even the guy they wanted until he got the nomination. Regardless of candidate the party gets behind their nominee.

Establishment dems and progressives can't get behind the same candidate and each blames the other for their problems and lack of candidate support. It has little to do with selecting better candidates because a significant part of the party will never be happy with who's picked and if dems aren't happy with a candidate they won't show up to vote.

The offshore books now have the odds of Biden withdrawing from the election before the end of July at 75%.

Someone without dementia is a good start.

That's not answering the question. Name, please.

Also, I missed when you became Dr. RainMaker.

She has my vote.

See, everything is fine now. Nothing to worry about.

JUST IN: President Biden and Vice President Harris are participating in an all-staff call with their campaign team in Wilmington, according to a source familiar with the matter to NBC News

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) July 3, 2024

For replacements, here are Dem polling numbers in battleground states against Trump. Biggest surprise to me is how popular Mayor Pete seems to be.



And this one which adjusts for name recognition which is important as the replacement will gain in recognition over time.

This feels like it's the Monday-Wednesday before Thanksgiving and your FB team is 4-7 and it's the perfect time to cut bait on your coach, take the long weekend plus the following week before your next game to reassess everything, get some new blood in there, and hope for a magical bounce to close out the season.

in a FEC filing, Trump lists Michael Flynn as his VP

I think you're implying that the first set of numbers will become like the 2nd set as the candidate gains recognition. I don't think I agree with that -- I think those charts say more about the people who do and don't recognize those names.

no fucking way. is he? To me, that's not a move that gains votes. He's a total fucking crackpot and another criminal to boot. Maybe that's exactly who the republicans are ready to go for this year. Flynn has totally lost his marbles.

Here's a link:

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/for...20406/1793385/

This election can obsolutely still be won with a new candiate. Time to make the move.

I mean, if the guy on the top of the ticket has completely lost his marbles, I can't see the party exactly going "oh, well THIS is a bridge too far"...

Guess they're really going for it.

True but Dem leadership and Biden don't really give a shit.

now the campaign is denying it

'Fraud': Trump campaign denies federal filing naming Michael Flynn as VP running mate - Raw Story

I can't fathom he picks anyone who would take an ounce of attention away from him. I still think it'll be Burgum because he is as boring as it gets.

Slogan idea for Harris/Obama or Harris/Whitmer: "Two chicks at the same time."

Based on what?

Even if you don't believe that the others who are polling better than Biden can win, it's pretty clear Biden stands no shot unless they can cure dementia in the next few weeks.

Common sense. Prior to this last debate Biden was given a shot in pollls. Just about any decent candidate with a few months of campaigning (especially in the age of internet and smart phones) will get more votes than Biden. There are a lot of dems like Rainmaker who cant stand Biden. Trump is beatable. A new candidate they may not love but theyll be more likely to turn out for. Not saying its guarenteed but i think theres a decent shot.

"Two girls, one White-house."

It is the kind of name that is completely insane, but exactly the kind of pick I am expecting. He is not going with one of the more traditional names that have been floated.

I'm think it is time we seriously recognize that this country wants a fascist government. Americans are craving a dictator to come in and punish all the people that aren't like them that are "ruining the country." I don't think this is a trick of the media, or some blind cult. It is what the people are craving, and they are about to get it.

A minority of Americans.

That's why we can't let it happen.

dola

So let's say Biden steps down and Harris is the candidate. Doesn't that make the VP choice hard to accept for a lot of rising stars? You'll either lose and be tainted with that or you'll win and Harris will run again in 2028. Even if you win then, how much chance is there for the Dems to win four consecutive Presidential races? It isn't a slam dunk decision for an ambitious pol.

Thats the depressing part. The politicians care more about themselves then representing America and saving the country from Trump.

Accounting for the juice, this is now at ~56% chance he withdraws.

Majority aren't paying attention, they just know eggs cost .50 more than 5 years ago.

You sure? WSJ poll has Trump up by 6 national. So does CNN. A Republican candidate can easily lose the popular vote by 4-6% and still win. If Democrat can't win the popular vote by more than 4, they are likely to lose. So, are people saying that Biden is so old just let the fascist take over? Or are they saying they are just fine with the fascist as long as the price of milk goes down? Either way, they are clearly saying they don't care if the fascist wins.

I find it interesting that the same exclusionary factors at work in other, non-political/cultural scenarios come into play with people who would otherwise be aligned.

For instance, when I was a law student, all law students were pissed at how badly we were treated during the bar admittance process and how ridiculously tedious and arbitrary the things were that kept people from getting cleared. Then, once we were cleared and passed the bar, all of a sudden we were like, "the bar admittance process is too easy. No one else should be admitted!"

I think we're seeing the same phenomenon with minorities. Seems like the thought is that minorities would stick together and it's basically white people who want to keep the "others" out of the country but part of what's fueling the GOP right now is minorities wanting to keep immigrants - even from their own background/country - out. We're here, but we don't need any more of us here. Shut it down.

Pete Buttigieg would stab his own mother to be VP. He would accept without hesitation.

He owns the evangelicals now, and he will always be the reason Roe is gone. So now, play a little to the independents....

Trump Poised to Rip 40-Year-Old Pro-Life Plank Out of GOP Platform https://t.co/HLM0UGVBtL pic.twitter.com/j3RU2GBARg

— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) July 3, 2024

There is definitely a segment that craves authoritarianism. But I think shifts toward fascist governments are more a sign of a failure of government to make the lives better of the people living in the country. Hitler didn't just come out of nowhere, he used the conditions of the public to promote his ideology and people were desperate for any kind of answer.

For decades, Republicans solution to problems with a failing middle class has been tax cuts and handouts to the rich. It obviously doesn't work. Democrats solution to the problems is to just say there is nothing they can do. Again, doesn't make anyone's life better.

So now you've got two parties that have completely abandoned the poor and middle class of the country for decades. Most of this is by design as they're controlled by corporate interests. People are desperate for any kind of solution to make their life better and Trump is offering them a solution. It's not a real solution to the problem, but it's offering something.

I guess what I'm saying is that I think a rise in fascism or authoritarianism has more to do with the failures of government and less to do with a population who just wants their own Mussolini.

Come on, really? A whole lot of drivel in there.

First off, post ww1 Germany experienced huge amounts of inflation causing frustration and poverty. Don't give me some logical fallacy comparing that to modern day America. If today's Americans are so desperate to vote for a narcissistic, pathological liar because gas rose by 40 cents a gallon.....

Democrats can't accomplish anything because of Mitch McConnell and the filibuster. It's an archaic and useless legislative technique that stops progress in America. This is perfect for a party that actively wants to go back in time. Regress, not progress.

You get what you vote for. The party than wants to enrich itself, while lying constantly about any and everything. The average American isn't smart enough to realize they are getting conned. They are voting for wolves and complain when they get bit. They like trump, because he is a racist. They are racist, and don't like they can't be openly racist anymore. It's why when you hear, I like trump, he tells it like it is....all that means is I wish I could be openly racist again. MAGA in a nutshell.

Insert LBJ quote about gaining power by fooling the racist. Btw, for some one that says they are for Biden, everything you post sounds like it's coming out of the mouth of a trumper.

I'm not chastising you, but this whole posting a general opinion based on one poll has to stop. If any person is telling you how things are based on one poll, they are being disingenuous and trying to manipulate you. If you look at the aggregate of post-debate polling(538 article), Biden is only down 1 percentage point. In statistics, that is called noise. All this bs based on one poll by Bob Bannon polling,lol. All bullshit.

I actually quoted two (CNN and WSJ), but they are far from the only two. Biden up by 1 in aggtate means he could be down by 3 at least by polling error. And that aggregate includes polls well before the debate. CNN and WSJ are post debate, and from all reports, the Dems' internal polls are saying the exact same things.

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Like I said, when your platform is "there is nothing we can do", don't be surprised when people cling to an extremist who is offering to help. Desperate people will look anywhere they can for help.

Now look at the polls in swing states that Biden has to win.

Even now Trump is polling under 50% and that's with 20-25% of adults not voting. Trump can win, but there hasn't been any indication that Trumpism has majority support. If we were actually a majority rules country there would be a much lower threat of white nationalism taking over.

And a bit of class warfare as well. "We're struggling to make ends meet, we don't need someone else coming in and taking what we can barely (do, afford, make) etc.




As well he should.

Really, the man we want in the White House is John Stewart. We need to laugh more. He could do it better than Biden, and he competes with trump's need to entertain.

They may as well name this country Stormy Daniels since we're having Trump shoved down our throat.