Ten percent means he can't come up with ~40M. Some billionaire.

But watch, he'll be allowed to weasel out of having to post a bond somehow.

I don't think anyone is just accepting 10% from Trump on a judgement this large. My guess it's a combination of not feeling this number is ever getting reduced and him not showing enough liquidable assets to make anyone feel comfortable that they'd ever see the money back.

I think the president thing may be a negative for him too. You're not going to be able to sue him until he's out office and he's likely dead either by then or by the time any lawsuit to get money back comes around.

The guy has made his fortune by not paying people what he's agreed to and suing them. That and the judgement is for inflating assets to get good loan terms. Would you lend a guy millions who has never paid anyone back and lied about how much he's worth?

No. I wouldn't. But I'm not a Saudi Prince with billions lying around who might want to get in good with the possible future President.

They probably feel they already have more than enough leverage on him.

They already gave Jared $2 billion!

the problem is that actually giving him the money will actually lessen the chance that he'll be president, because the Dems will make so much hay out of a foreign power giving him so much money directly to pay his legal debts.

You are giving the Dems way too much credit.

And the voters.

I don't know if the "Trump is corrupt" line works much anymore. I feel like after 8 years of this, people have made up their mind on that. It's worth noting I guess but you're either fine with what he is or you're not.

Still think they should focus almost exclusively on abortion. The IVF ruling in Alabama should be a HUGE talking point and mentioning how many other states have similar laws on the books. You can tell with how many Republicans came out saying they support IVF and their weird SOTU rebuttal that they're terrified of that issue gaining traction.

My entire campaign would be "They banned abortion in states and want to ban it nationally. They banned IVF in states and want to ban it nationally. They are trying to ban birth control too."

But for some reason they're more focused on immigration and TikTok. Maybe they have data we don't.

That might work down ballot but Trump seems uniquely positioned to toe the line between strict anti-abortion and some moderation. He gave the religious right what they wanted for the Supreme Court so sure, the Dems can use that against him, but he's religious in political name only and was quick to talk down the Alabama decision and doesn't really seem to have a hardline position he's wed to because of his (lack of) religious affiliation.

Similar to the Social Security issue - GOPers all over the country are talking about cuts or raising retirement age (like the dude from GA who claims all sorts of people come up to him to tell him they want to continue working well past retirement age) and Trump is basically playing above the noise and saying he would protect SS.

It was his judges that overturned Roe. He's on video bragging about it. Part of the Democrats job is to tie all that to him. It's their best issue.

I understand. But he really doesn't care about the issue, and he's not at all tied into the religious right personally. He's whatever he wants to be on the issue to whomever he's speaking.

I'm not saying they shouldn't hammer the issue. But focusing "exclusively on abortion" against a guy who's gonna say "ehh, whatever" and the religious right will be perfectly fine with it, is not a great tactic because (a) he already gave them what they want and (b) it's not like they haven't looked past a bunch of other supposed sins that should make him a non-starter. He's different. If Trump's the vessel to continue to allow them to move toward the America they want, they are perfectly fine with that.

So I kinda see it that abortion will only hurt Trump (specifically) so much. But I'll be interested to see how he handles the issue. He jumped all over the IVF issue before any religious right politicians could establish the GOP position. I could easily see him waffle some on supporting some reasonable abortion restrictions that undercuts the extreme position most of the religious right are in favor of.

So you buy a bond from a company that sells bonds but it's only 10% of the rate and that COMPANY pays the full amount to the court?

WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT???????

They keep the 10%. Is is basically a ten percent loan. That's not actually as great a return as some investments, but it isn't bad. They only would do it if they feel pretty secure about getting the money back. That is the problem here. They don't feel like they can be sure they will get this money back.

I know they said bond/insurance companies don't take real estate as collateral.

Assuming the "bond agreement/contracts" are iron clad, I don't see why not? Trumps got some nice properties into Mar-a-Lago.

Coincidence? I think not.

I can see Trump cutting a deal with Musk for some sort of position if he wins.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/18/elon...for-money.html

SCOTUS rejected Peter Navarro's appeal and he'll become the first ever White House official jailed for contempt of congress sometime tomorrow.

Not sure if they're going to still play around with Judge Cannon. She probably won't be able to stay on much longer with this kind of stuff if Smith fights it with the appeals court over and over. But maybe he doesn't care and just lets Cannon dismiss it.





He could still get a personal loan with the real estate as collateral. My guess is he is either lying to the court so he doesn't have to put up the money he never intends to pay or his real estate is so heavily leveraged that no one will touch it.

Bet you a twinkle it is the first one

Why not both?

Another arrest.

Pro-Trump attorney arrested after court hearing about leaked Dominion emails | CNN Politics

There is no way that Trump's real estate isn't highly leveraged. That's literally his way of doing business.

Saw a funny tweet today:


https://twitter.com/DarrigoMelanie/s...90531784454306

And Peter Navarro has until 2pm today to report to prison for his contempt of congress charges after going all the way to the Supreme Court to avoid it.

I hope anarchy princess is there

We'd all be talking about (high again) gas prices if Nikki Haley were the nominee.

Defiant to the end:


https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/s...09385727205537

Press conferences in the sort of sad strip-mall parking lots you pass on the way to prisons are not quite as impressive as those on the courthouse steps

This is insane. Legal folks are expecting Jack Smith to give Judge Cannon a chance to correct course here before he appeals. Assuming it hits appeal, it will be overturned 100%, and that would be her 3rd overturned ruling in this case already. That would very likely give him enough to get her off the case.


In other news, Trump is suing ABC because he claims he's legally a sexual abuser, not a rapist.

I don't know how hard it is to get a Judge off a case but every lawyer (left and right) I've seen read the ruling says it's insane. Has absolutely no legal precedent.

Trump gets out of the largest part of his bond for the civil judgement in New York, because of course he does. If I had to guess, the appellate judge reduced to what she basically thinks the judgement will be worth after appeal.

Trump also had his Stormy Daniels hush money case set for mid-April when the judge didn't buy his lawyers claiming there was prosecutial malpractice for the delay there was in some of the discovery getting to them. none too pleased on even having to rule on it

This Truth Social stock deal is maybe the single most corrupt action ever taken by a candidate for the presidency and it's barely even being discussed.

I don't understand how this is legal and the SEC isn't involved. I think the only potential good thing is maybe some investors get killed when the stock becomes worthless and they stop supporting him.

SPACs in general are highly dubious, so of course it's not surprising that Trump's involved in one.

I wonder how many regular people get their bail reduced by half on appeal?

OMG Trump has a video out selling a God Bless the USA Bible.

Every time I think the bottom has been reached ...

I've seen a bunch of Trump-Jesus themed bumper stickers lately and I have no idea if they're supposed to be ironic.

they arent...

How exciting to be living in the time of the new Jesus!

FWIW, I don't believe SPACs are inherently bad or scam. Legit businesses have used this method to get into the stock market quickly.

Rocket Labs (RKLB) is a company I've been monitoring. They have cratered since their SPAC and many people have lost money. However, I've been checking out their forum, press releases etc. and they are executing with real products and satellite launches. SpaceX still dominates though.

It's like how Coke created New Coke.
I guess that makes Democrats Pepsi...
Does that mean Biden will be Crystal Mohammed?

SPACs were designed explictly to get around SEC disclosure rules. Rules exist for a reason. They're bad.

SPACs have been around and used since 2009. The rules have existed for a while (and just recently updated early this year).

I agree they are on average, a bad investment. But they are legal, following the SEC rules, and the SEC hasn't made a push to stop it.

Special-purpose acquisition company - Wikipedia

Today would sure be a good day to let Donald Trump know that all the trials against him have been stopped and all charges dropped, wouldn't it?

And that they found the missing votes in Georgia!

sure why not? but then sadly we'd have to see/listen to all the Trump/MAGA/Republicans ad nauseum who believe its true

Yeah, we're long past the point where jokes about this stuff are just jokes. They're now the truth.

And Trump posts bond.

Have to believe there is extra strong wording in there in case Trump violates/breaks the conditions of the bond. Hope that company has a good legal team.

And he also had the gag order extended to others given his continuing mention of the judge's wife. I have to think he's close to jail time because that's the one thing he can't just let someone take his place/pay for him.

Anyone shocked that trump has now sued his truth social co-founders for their shares?



Trump Sues Truth Social Company Co-Founders to Zero Them Out

How many times can one violate a gag order before one faces actual consequences?

IANAL but I imagine Trump wants to challenge the gag order saying it violates his 1st amendment rights and delay his trials even further.

And honestly I have no idea where the balance between gag orders and free speech is, though I tend to side with free speech.

2 involved in Trump media merger plead guilty to insider trading charges:


Two investors in Trump Media insider trading case plead guilty | CNN Business


Example ad nauseam of anything trump touches dies-you would think by now people who want to get involved in anything trump related would know how this is going to end.

They're walking a fine line with him because I think he's trying to use this to get the trial delayed. Aa soon as he's penalized he's going to appeal and ask the case be put on hold.

So Walt Nauta, Trump's "bodyman' charged in the classified documents case for moving the storage cases, said in his FBI interview transcript that he looked in some of the cases and all that was there was personal items like deodrant and shampoo because Trump is a secret hoarder. So then i guess he was innocent after all-and those special secure places to look at the documents were for protection against the chemicals in the bottles?


Walt Nauta told the FBI Trump storage boxes contained 'hoarded' hairspray cans and shampoo - Raw Story

And hey what do you know, Trump's visit to a Chick'Fil'a in georgia was all staged with a GOP intern for the Republican Party in GA.


meidastouch.com

Whaddya know, a relatively young person with a functioning brain. Cool to know those exist in Atlanta.

Off-topic but did Chick-Fil-A change their chicken sandwich? Last couple times I've been it's felt off. Not bad or anything, just not as good as it was.


Also they need to bring back that honey pimento cheese chicken sandwich.

I don't have a source offhand, but I heard they have moved from using no antibiotics chicken to allowing for chicken raised with antibiotics. Some people, like my stepdaughter, really don't like the change.

Jury selection is underway in NY for Trump's hush money/stormy daniels trial.

I am surprised. I thought he'd fake an illness or fire his lawyers to delay today.

Why would an innocent man do such a thing?

Apparently he fell asleep.

I'm not sure how she could have triangulated it, but was there a way for Haley to have argued "both of these guys are senile old men" and try and kill two birds with one stone?

#lowenergy

Imagine how he will do at intelligence briefings and summits with other world leaders if he falls asleep an hour into his own trial.

This is also why--barring a personal financial catastrophe--I am not going to be doing anything of substance into my late 70s.

Fishing, drinking coffee, playing board games with my other retired friends.

I want to be able to take an unplanned 10 AM nap in peace and have people say "Aw. Grandpa looks cute. Put a blanket over him" and have that be the end of it.

interesting moment in the trump jury selection-he's forced to sit there and hear people criticize him without storming off/making angry comments:


https://twitter.com/Jose_Pagliery/st...44760075002351

And we now have 12 jurors-working on alternates

apparently someone set themselves on fire outside the courtroom.

yeah someone with clear mental problems-believing conspiracy theories about how cryptocurrency was going to be used by the rich and famous to take over the world-he apparently sued several people over this and got no where so turned to this.

Seeing lots of reports of Trump farting in court. No joke.

so the trial is now set for monday-and the judge has already had enough of trump's lawyers filing on motions he had already discussed and ruled on. check out this thread on Twitter-they had a hearing on what Trump can be cross-examined on if he decides to testify-it won't be pretty for him. Scroll up and down to see it all.



https://twitter.com/Jose_Pagliery/st...11025390022774

Yeah saw that too-really wish the press wouldn't go there-there's plenty already to not like about trump-these seems cheap and petty. i mean we all fart on a regular basis, so unless it some how is disrupting the trial i wish they wouldn't dwell on it.

Every time Biden blinks twice in quick succession the press is all over it, so some focus on Trump being everyone's old, drunk, racist, disgusting uncle is just fine.

I'm confused by this. Is the judge claiming the lawsuit is frivolous and should have never been filed?

The lawsuit the Judge is referring to is one that Trump filed against Clinton, that caused him (trump) to be sanctioned for nearly a million dollars.

Other Stuff from the Pagliery thread that seems important

https://twitter.com/Jose_Pagliery/st...10768220455128



Can we get this judge to replace Cannon?

It's obvious to all that Trump's MO is to delay delay delay, stretch it out. It generally works out in civil trials, because he usually can drag it out so long that the other person gets tired of the legal warfare and drops it just to get rid of Trump (or goes bankrupt from expenses)

The Government lawyers JOB is legal warfare on a grand scale, and prettttty sure they won't go bankrupt.

Oh, and this part, where the Judge hits Trump where it really hurts: His ego.

What Foz said. He was reading to Trump the things they want to ask him if he decides to testify, the Clinton lawsuit, his other lawsuits and those he has already had and lost, including one by this judge I think.



And to no one's surprise, trump's lawyers have already asked an appellate court to halt the trial citing an unfair selection of biased jurors. If you read what i posted, I think the NY judicial system is well aware of his tactics, and hopefully deny it quickly,

HOORAY!

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/n...ire-trump.html

I wonder if Trump will commit suicide when he's found guilty and locked up.

I haven't been on the board in awhile. I clicked on this thread just to see if what I thought this thread would be like is what it actually was like. It did not disappoint. :D

Doubt it. With appeals and all that, he'll likely die peacefully in bed or with a hooker ala Kwai Chang Caine.

But this guy on the other hand ...

Man who set himself on fire outside Trump's Manhattan hush money trial dies

He's going to have to be watched very closely. both by other prisoners who try to kill him and he finally loses his freedom and self-importance. He's going to need a lot of mental care to keep him from snapping.

Trump is not spending a day in prison.

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I think he will be watched closely by everyone. I think he'll sell tickets to it in fact and popcorn

Anything to make one last dollar off people

What grant said. Literally zero chance he spends a day in prison.

Follow up question: If you were one of the lucky few being interviewed by both counsils as to whether you could be on the jury, and Trump was sitting there and you were asked, "What do you think of Trump?"...

What. would. you. say?

That he is a narcissistic moron who was born on third base and thought he hit a triple.

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I didn't vote for him but think I can be impartial as I like to understand "both sides".

Also, I want to write a book about jury deliberations and make millions.

got an hour?

I grew up 90 minutes from the City and NY news stations were almost all we had available then, so the Trump name has been pretty common to see. So there is no way i could ever be fair and unbiased to Donald Trump-Justice is finally coming for you Donald, and I can't wait to see it.

I'd be honest. I think Trump is one of the most corrupt humans on Earth. He has no moral compass. He's not evil because evil implies the capacity and desire to know right from wrong. He's an amoral narcissist who just farts his way from one day to another. In any given room, he's likely the stupidest and least insightful person there.

But I'm also a defense lawyer, so I'd actually be super serious about the government having to prove this crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

Pretty sure I'd be struck from the jury by both sides :-)

reminds me of my experience with jury duty. I got called up for a drunk driving trial.

Now, many of you know a couple decades ago, the car I was in was hit by a drunk driver coming home from Thanksgiving dinner. I felt like I could be impartial (after all, the law is the law, and it's fairly well set out that DUI consists of alcohol level as well as driving mannerism), but the judge thought it would be unfair to ask of me to try to be impartial, considering my history.

which, with the passing of years, I do understand. It does give me a kind of PTSD when driving or riding in a car, and another car passes going the other way.

Anyone who would want to be on such a jury isn't impartial enough to be on a jury, and I'd hope that they provide jurors with protection during and after the trial (you know if Trump gets convicted, there's going to be several SWATting attempts, etcetera)

FWIW

No Evidence Trump Passed Gas in Courtroom During Hush-Money Trial | Snopes.com

So as the trial was going on, next door lawyers were negotiating over the bond Trump paid for the Trump org fraud case. A lot of bank and financial stuff that went over my head but they came up with some sort of compromise over it.

Basically the $175 million has to stay as cash and can't be moved into investments or anything else that poses risk. They have to submit a statement monthly showing it's still cash. Any changes have to be approved by the court.

Thanks for the recap.


Also Trump called for massive protests in ny and every state capital today-not sure how the turnout was at the capitals, but in nyc they had about 6.