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Atocep 02-02-2024 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3425435)
They have so few things to campaign on now that the economy is good, abortion rights are more important to women voters than they expected, and they can't find one real impeachable thing on hunter and joe. So its down to the border and making up stuff about how horrible it is. i even saw recent chatter on putting a wall on our northern border too so those dangerous Canadians can't get in.


They also haven't passed any significant legislation with the house majority. They have nothing to campaign on except the border and Trump.

GrantDawg 02-02-2024 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 3425436)
Gas has been collapsing in price around me. Things seem a lot better at the grocery store too. Those kinds of things are probably the most important factors in this election if they continue.

I do think it is important, but the grocery prices are still high, especially in certain segments. Like meat across the board, but especially beef. Many things are never going back down, and some still feel like they are way overpriced.

Thomkal 02-02-2024 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep (Post 3425438)
They also haven't passed any significant legislation with the house majority. They have nothing to campaign on except the border and Trump.



I am still waiting for their jan 6 commission where they show us Antifa, black life matters, the cia and nancy pelosi were behind it all.

Lathum 02-02-2024 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3425446)
I am still waiting for their jan 6 commission where they show us Antifa, black life matters, the cia and nancy pelosi were behind it all.


Mike Johnson is still blurring out the faces to protect the innocent.

Thomkal 02-02-2024 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3425439)
I do think it is important, but the grocery prices are still high, especially in certain segments. Like meat across the board, but especially beef. Many things are never going back down, and some still feel like they are way overpriced.



President biden just called out grocery chains to lower prices, Don't think there's anything he can do but call them out though:


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/u...od-prices.html

GrantDawg 02-02-2024 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3425456)
President biden just called out grocery chains to lower prices, Don't think there's anything he can do but call them out though:


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/u...od-prices.html

I know there isn't. Presidents get blamed for things that they have no control over. That is not likely to change anytime soon. Heck, I was just watching a Lefty talking about how there as a Nazi rally in "Biden's America." As if he formed it.

Sweed 02-02-2024 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3425439)
I do think it is important, but the grocery prices are still high, especially in certain segments. Like meat across the board, but especially beef. Many things are never going back down, and some still feel like they are way overpriced.


I think food sellers, retail and wholesale, are all happy with the situation. Those prices that were justifiable(?) at one time are giving them high profits now with their costs going down but not being passed on to the consumer. It won't change as long as nobody rocks the boat.

I don't think it's collusion (backroom agreements, setting prices) but stores around here aren't even trying to be competitive with each other like they used to. Holiday ads were crap, the usual loss leaders to get customers in were simply not there. Some of this is do to the store and some to the lack of allowances from the producers of goods. It only takes one company or chain to break the "truce", but right now they're all happy as they watch the bank accounts grow.

I'm not sure how, if, or when that cycle gets broken?

Lathum 02-02-2024 02:47 PM

Interestingly Wegmans has a commercial out now about lowering prices.

cuervo72 02-02-2024 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweed (Post 3425459)
stores around here aren't even trying to be competitive with each other like they used to


Aren't things largely boiled down to just Walmart and Kroger at this point?

(Yes, I know Publix exists, in some places anyway.

molson 02-02-2024 03:21 PM

I'm in Albertson's country - some things are just stupid expensive, but, I've found it easier to find really good sale prices just the last few weeks.

It's also nice to be a household member of a Whole Foods employee so we get 20% off everything there, and real time knowledge of the deals they have.

Sweed 02-02-2024 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3425470)
Aren't things largely boiled down to just Walmart and Kroger at this point?

(Yes, I know Publix exists, in some places anyway.


Don't know about large states, but in Iowa? No.

RainMaker 02-02-2024 03:43 PM

Talk is cheap and if he cared about fixing the high prices, he could go after companies for anti-competitive actions and price fixing. We already know the egg industry was doing it.

NobodyHere 02-02-2024 03:44 PM

How do we know that the egg companies are doing it?

RainMaker 02-02-2024 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72 (Post 3425470)
Aren't things largely boiled down to just Walmart and Kroger at this point?

(Yes, I know Publix exists, in some places anyway.


There's just a handful of big companies now who go out of their way not to compete with each other. Turning into the telecom industry.

RainMaker 02-02-2024 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3425477)
How do we know that the egg companies are doing it?


Their numbers showed they lied about supply issues and they keep losing lawsuits over it.

Edward64 02-02-2024 03:57 PM

Eggs range from $1.30'ish to $3+. Kroger & Publix brand eggs are good enough, don't have to pay extra for cage/range free eggs. I know you can see the difference, and might help your conscience, but doubt you can taste the difference. Overall, I've not been affected that much by grocery prices. There are plenty of brand name stuff that goes on sale to keep me happy.

The biggie for me are restaurant prices. Those don't seem to come down. Entrees that used to be $12-$14 are now $16-$18+. And college prices, would love for Joe to do something about that.

Heck, even prices for everyday cars (Corollas, Camrys, Accords) are coming back down to MSRP or below levels.

NobodyHere 02-02-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3425480)
Their numbers showed they lied about supply issues and they keep losing lawsuits over it.


link?

flere-imsaho 02-02-2024 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3425437)
I wish I could say the same. Gas was around the $2.70 range and now it's back over $3 bucks.


*cries in Chicago*

GrantDawg 02-02-2024 05:12 PM

Molson, can I be adopted?

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RainMaker 02-02-2024 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere (Post 3425482)
link?


https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/23/high...up-claims.html

reuters.com

Lathum 02-02-2024 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3425481)
Eggs range from $1.30'ish to $3+. Kroger & Publix brand eggs are good enough, don't have to pay extra for cage/range free eggs. I know you can see the difference, and might help your conscience, but doubt you can taste the difference. Overall, I've not been affected that much by grocery prices. There are plenty of brand name stuff that goes on sale to keep me happy.

The biggie for me are restaurant prices. Those don't seem to come down. Entrees that used to be $12-$14 are now $16-$18+. And college prices, would love for Joe to do something about that.

Heck, even prices for everyday cars (Corollas, Camrys, Accords) are coming back down to MSRP or below levels.


I took my son to Five Guys for lunch the other day. He got a plain hamburger, small fries, and a shake.

$23

RainMaker 02-02-2024 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3425489)
I took my son to Five Guys for lunch the other day. He got a plain hamburger, small fries, and a shake.

$23


Wendys is now like $12 for a meal. Feels like you could get one for $7-$8 a few years ago. Even Taco Bell is expensive and that place was perfect for tons of food for like $10.

Lathum 02-02-2024 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3425490)
Wendys is now like $12 for a meal. Feels like you could get one for $7-$8 a few years ago. Even Taco Bell is expensive and that place was perfect for tons of food for like $10.


Yeah. Like a lot of families we eat fast food a couple nights a week sometimes because of the timing of kids activities and wifes travel schedule. Just to feed my 13 and 10 year old and usually a Diet Coke for me (I don't do fast food except occasionally breakfast) it is easily in the $20-$23 range.

Atocep 02-02-2024 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3425489)
I took my son to Five Guys for lunch the other day. He got a plain hamburger, small fries, and a shake.

$23


5 guys prices went through the roof with the pandemic and haven't come down. We've been trying cut back on eating out, especially doordash, because prices are getting out of hand.

JonInMiddleGA 02-02-2024 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3425489)
I took my son to Five Guys for lunch the other day. He got a plain hamburger, small fries, and a shake.

$23


I was curious about location differences, so I went & looked.

Same pricing within about $1 here IF you mean their standard Hamburger (which is a double)

If he got the "Little Hamburger" (which is a single) then the difference would be about $3.50 or so lower here.

JonInMiddleGA 02-02-2024 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 3425490)
Even Taco Bell is expensive and that place was perfect for tons of food for like $10.


That's a semi-frequent discussion here for several years now, dating back to at least Will's entire time in Miami. Once you get beyond the basic tacos, they get expensive in a hurry.

And with the new (to here, ymmv) surcharge of $0.49 per taco to add just basic onions, I can now actually get 3 tacos cheaper from 2-3 sit-down mexican restaurants in the area.

Though, to be fair about that, none of those really hit like TB tacos if you're in a certain mood

RainMaker 02-02-2024 07:04 PM

There was a time in college where you could go home with a grocery bag filled with Taco Bell tacos for like $20. It was the greatest poor college student restaurant that ever existed. McDonalds dollar menu up there as well. Tough to beat a $0.99 double cheeseburger which I don't think they even changed till like 5 years ago.

Now a quesadilla is near $7 near me.

Edward64 02-02-2024 07:08 PM

FWIW

I know we are saving a ton of money not eating out. I get work gets in the way, but I've learn some pretty easy recipes from YT. I really wish we had cooked more when the kids were younger, too much fast food BS.

If you aren't too fussy with your food, don't expect perfection, and don't mind improvising some, do more home cooking.

Going to try some Garlic Naan this weekend!

JonInMiddleGA 02-02-2024 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3425501)
If you aren't too fussy with your food, don't expect perfection, and don't mind improvising some, do more home cooking.


The savings in $ is overwhelmed mightily here by the cost in time, patience, and aggravation.

I am (and have been for several years honestly) "I prefer mayo on my sandwich ... but that'd require me to get out the mayo, put it back, and dirty a knife that'll need to be washed ... so it ain't worth it" years old

Kodos 02-02-2024 07:27 PM

Squeezable bottles, Jon.

Edward64 02-02-2024 07:42 PM

... and dishwasher. Or just use paper plates and plastic cutlery.

I never kept track of food budget properly but I'm going to say that I'm easily saving 50% by not eating out much ... and I'm not as fat!

albionmoonlight 02-02-2024 07:48 PM

I caught the end of an Applebee's commercial, so I didn't quite catch the whole pitch, but I think that the gist of it was "Now that fast food is as expensive as Applebee's, come enjoy a sit down meal"

And I thought that was a really smart pitch

JonInMiddleGA 02-02-2024 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodos (Post 3425504)
Squeezable bottles, Jon.


Those suckers never have seemed to work right once you're past halfway or so.

I mean, mustard bottles handle it pretty well. But the mayo in the bottles?
I guess it's the thickness or something.

*this is actually a familiar topic on my FB wall. I know a guy who rails against bottled mayo the way I rail against, I dunno, self checkout or something.

JonInMiddleGA 02-02-2024 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3425505)
Or just use paper plates and plastic cutlery.


Funny you bring that up. This discussion caused me to ponder the last time I used an actual plate -- i.e. non-styrofaom -- here.

I think it was Christmas.

cuervo72 02-02-2024 07:59 PM

Yeah, my son has complained to me in the past about not getting mayo in a squeeze bottle. I'm perfectly happy with a jar. I can go at that with either a knife, an iced tea spoon, or even a rubber spatula if I need to get the last bit out.

As for dishes, we burn through four cat bowls a day, so the dishwasher has to run regularly enough that dirty utensils aren't an issue. (Dishes have LONG been my chore, because either nobody else will do them or nobody else will load the washer right.)

GrantDawg 02-02-2024 08:05 PM

Applebee's is actually quite a good value anymore. There burgers are pretty good as well.

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Lathum 02-02-2024 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3425498)
I was curious about location differences, so I went & looked.

Same pricing within about $1 here IF you mean their standard Hamburger (which is a double)

If he got the "Little Hamburger" (which is a single) then the difference would be about $3.50 or so lower here.


I don't know much about 5 guys but he is almost 14 so I'll assume it was a standard burger.

Lathum 02-02-2024 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3425510)
Applebee's is actually quite a good value anymore. There burgers are pretty good as well.

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Applebee’s rolls out Date Night Pass, giving people 52 meals over the next year for $200 | Fortune

Lathum 02-02-2024 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3425501)
FWIW

I know we are saving a ton of money not eating out. I get work gets in the way, but I've learn some pretty easy recipes from YT. I really wish we had cooked more when the kids were younger, too much fast food BS.

If you aren't too fussy with your food, don't expect perfection, and don't mind improvising some, do more home cooking.

Going to try some Garlic Naan this weekend!


It is all based around activities for us and wife travelling. She has 8 straight weeks of travel she is in the midst of.

In a normal world I cook M-Th, pizza Friday, out Saturday, door dash Sunday but when she is away and can't help with either dinner or activities I am basically a single dad.

So for example on Mondays daughter has activity from 4-5. Theater from 5:15-6:30. Basketball from 7:30-8:30 so there is literally no chance to cook a meal so it's fast food on the way home from theater.

JonInMiddleGA 02-03-2024 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3425510)
Applebee's is actually quite a good value anymore. There burgers are pretty good as well.


But my location is horrrrrribly erratic.

Back to back orders of their little sliders deal -- which is pretty good value -- produced one order that was REALLY good, followed by one that was literally inedible they were so thoroughly burned. We're talking briquets. I actually banged them on my desk & made a noise loud enough to be hear over the phone.

JonInMiddleGA 02-03-2024 01:14 AM

All this sidetrack brings me back to something I started to comment on earlier and didn't.

Yep, dine out prices suuuuuuck. But this fits into a recurring theme I've discussed with friends & family numerous times in recent months: what my lying eyes see daily doesn't match the narrative(s) I keep hearing.

I hear how terrrrrrible the economy is. Prices are definitely up, and noticeably so. But ...

Mid afternoon Tues traffic looks like rush hour around here. And it's not work stuff, it's people shopping, eating, etc. My roads are hot with traffic 7 days a week. If times are so tough, shouldn't gas consumption be more of an issue?

Food prices suck ... but most places here have a line around the building on the regular. Our Five Guys is never empty, and is packed at lunch. And our busiest places are generally the most expensive ones.

Will drove down to Macon to see a fairly obscure country artist tonight (Creed Fisher), drew 400-500 people at $25 - $40 per ticket ... but it was obvious that MAYBE 5% of the people in the crowd knew even the chorus of one song. This wasn't OMG-my-favorite-I-must-see-him, this was a crowd made up of "well, it's Friday so we "have" to go SOMEWHERE". And I assure you, these were not 1-percenters, these might barely have been 50-percenters. That's not behavior that fits with the times-are-tough narrative I keep hearing.

We've got perpetual labor shortage here, pay offers are absurdly high for the level of work but few to no takers, if everybody is in such dire straits, how come nobody seems willing to work?

It feels like things are bad & times are tough, I keep hearing how awful things are ... but what my eyes tell me are a very different story. And, nope, I'm not gonna tell you I can explain that disconnect. It's a complete fucking mystery to me, NGL.

Edward64 02-03-2024 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3425515)
It is all based around activities for us and wife travelling. She has 8 straight weeks of travel she is in the midst of.

In a normal world I cook M-Th, pizza Friday, out Saturday, door dash Sunday but when she is away and can't help with either dinner or activities I am basically a single dad.

So for example on Mondays daughter has activity from 4-5. Theater from 5:15-6:30. Basketball from 7:30-8:30 so there is literally no chance to cook a meal so it's fast food on the way home from theater.


Yeah, I empathize. I was flying to some project regularly Mon-Thu and know my wife carried the burden while I was eating at nice restaurants on per diem.

Edward64 02-03-2024 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3425510)
Applebee's is actually quite a good value anymore. There burgers are pretty good as well.


Haven't been to an Applebee's in a long while. Closest one has closed. Do remember liking their Bourbon Street steak and the riblets.

(Same with Bennigan's, remember their ribs literally fell off the bone)

Edward64 02-03-2024 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3425522)
It feels like things are bad & times are tough, I keep hearing how awful things are ... but what my eyes tell me are a very different story. And, nope, I'm not gonna tell you I can explain that disconnect. It's a complete fucking mystery to me, NGL.

Guessing that it's basically 3 groups of people. Those that have it bad, those that are okay, and those doing well. At one time, those that had it bad was (let's say) 50% of population, it's decreased now to 30%.

So, it's getting better for sure but there's still a higher than normal % of people that are hurting.

Some key areas like housing, affordable higher education, and high credit card debt are still messed up. A year ago, also toss in automobiles, groceries, stock market but now have now recovered some.

Slow process to recovery.

miked 02-03-2024 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 3425522)
All this sidetrack brings me back to something I started to comment on earlier and didn't.

Yep, dine out prices suuuuuuck. But this fits into a recurring theme I've discussed with friends & family numerous times in recent months: what my lying eyes see daily doesn't match the narrative(s) I keep hearing.

I hear how terrrrrrible the economy is. Prices are definitely up, and noticeably so. But ...

Mid afternoon Tues traffic looks like rush hour around here. And it's not work stuff, it's people shopping, eating, etc. My roads are hot with traffic 7 days a week. If times are so tough, shouldn't gas consumption be more of an issue?

Food prices suck ... but most places here have a line around the building on the regular. Our Five Guys is never empty, and is packed at lunch. And our busiest places are generally the most expensive ones.

Will drove down to Macon to see a fairly obscure country artist tonight (Creed Fisher), drew 400-500 people at $25 - $40 per ticket ... but it was obvious that MAYBE 5% of the people in the crowd knew even the chorus of one song. This wasn't OMG-my-favorite-I-must-see-him, this was a crowd made up of "well, it's Friday so we "have" to go SOMEWHERE". And I assure you, these were not 1-percenters, these might barely have been 50-percenters. That's not behavior that fits with the times-are-tough narrative I keep hearing.

We've got perpetual labor shortage here, pay offers are absurdly high for the level of work but few to no takers, if everybody is in such dire straits, how come nobody seems willing to work?

It feels like things are bad & times are tough, I keep hearing how awful things are ... but what my eyes tell me are a very different story. And, nope, I'm not gonna tell you I can explain that disconnect. It's a complete fucking mystery to me, NGL.


That's the issue, too. Those 50-percenters you see, especially down by Macon, I'm willing to bet 75% of them are sharing memes about gas prices with Trump vs. Biden, how shitty the economy is, etc. When in reality, the economy seems to be doing ok. What is happening is that the corporations are price-gauging people and they are paying it and blaming politicians. I mean, I'm willing to bet they even paid 25-30% fees on top of their ticket prices.

Lathum 02-03-2024 08:12 AM

I heard a survey they took that when they asked people how they were doing majority said well but when the same people were asked about the state of the nation they said poorly.

GrantDawg 02-03-2024 06:45 PM

Biden wins the South Carolina primary. Looks like he will get 97% of the vote. Turn out is very low, but South Carolina is an open primary state. I'm guessing many of the Dems choose not to vote in this uncompetitive primary so they can vote in the Republican primary later in the month.

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CrimsonFox 02-03-2024 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg (Post 3425563)
Biden wins the South Carolina primary. Looks like he will get 97% of the vote. Turn out is very low, but South Carolina is an open primary state. I'm guessing many of the Dems choose not to vote in this uncompetitive primary so they can vote in the Republican primary later in the month.

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that's a great idea. vote for anyone but trump

Thomkal 02-06-2024 07:20 PM

Good news keeps on coming;


RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel to step down. Because she did such a fabulous job I'm sure


https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...31234953003031

Lathum 02-06-2024 07:23 PM

Trump controls the cult so they send him money directly to pay for his plane and legal bills instead of the RNC. So in turn they fire her for not raising money.

When are these people ever going to learn at some point the leopards are going to eat their faces.

albionmoonlight 02-07-2024 07:12 AM

Fear is a great motivator.

Haley needs to pound the drum that Trump might be convicted before November and that might mean a Democratic blowout and

(1) Dem control of state legislatures, who will gerrymander the GOP out of existence
(2) Federal codification of Roe
(3) Replacing Thomas and Alito with 25 year old black queer public defenders
(4) Expanding SCOTUS and throwing a few more justices up there for good measure
(5) DC and Puerto Rico statehood
(6) A transgender bill of rights
(7) banning SUVs
(8) Open Borders
(9) Restrictions on homeschooling

Of course, even with healthy Dem majorities, a lot of those wouldn't happen. But campaigns are all about exaggeration.

She needs to judo Trump's fear based campaign back at him. Make it seem like nominating him is just too risky b/c of all of the criminal charges.

JPhillips 02-07-2024 07:50 AM

But Haley could only get 30% when Trump wasn't on the ballot in NV. I just don't think there's any realistic chance for her to even threaten to win a single primary.

Ghost Econ 02-07-2024 10:48 AM

To be fair, None of these candidates is an extremely compelling choice for a GOP primary.

albionmoonlight 02-12-2024 07:07 AM

So Trump's new NATO position should be the biggest (I'd argue only) thing being discussed right now.

Maybe NATO is outdated. Maybe Western Europe has been mooching off of us. Maybe we should disband it.

Personally, I don't think so. But it's a debate worth having since one of the two leading candidates for the Presidency has come out that way.

So let's get our Senators and Reps (from both parties) on record with this. Let's get Haley's position. Let's get Biden's position.

It's the biggest foreign policy question since WWII, so let's, you know, actually treat it that way.

Kodos 02-12-2024 07:51 AM

But what about the Taylor Swift conspiracy?! Priorities, people!

JPhillips 02-12-2024 09:24 PM

Trump is going to put Lara Trump as co-chair of the RNC. Might as well just forward all the donations to Trump's accounts.

Edward64 02-13-2024 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3425501)
Going to try some Garlic Naan this weekend!


Got to it yesterday. I'm happy (and surprised) to say it was pretty edible!

Lathum 02-13-2024 05:03 PM

Just a moment...

JPhillips 02-13-2024 08:03 PM

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Lara Trump: If I am elected to this position , I can assure you.. every single penny will go to the number one and the only job of the RNC… that is electing Donald J Trump

They aren't even hiding that they're going to steal all of the money.

Atocep 02-13-2024 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum (Post 3426436)


Dems should just play videos of all the things Trump has forgotten under deposition.

cuervo72 02-13-2024 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3426447)
They aren't even hiding that they're going to steal all of the money.


Besides just wanting all the money because it's his personal party now, he just probably figures if he wins he can do whatever he wants anyway, regardless of the makeup of Congress.

PilotMan 02-14-2024 11:41 AM

Biden's age is a thing. It was a thing before. It should have been resolved before now. But here we are. Also...

Quote:

The words “I don’t remember,” or their equivalents, occurred at least 124 times in his eight hours of testimony. The lapses in memory ranged from the identity of Rep. Lee H. Hamilton, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee during several of the key years of Reagan’s presidency, to the central conclusions of the Tower Commission that Reagan appointed to investigate the Iran-Contra affair. He also did not remember the fact that Robert C. McFarlane, who served as his national security adviser, had pleaded guilty to a charge of withholding information from Congress.

Reagan Retains Charm but Not His Memory - Los Angeles Times

Ksyrup 02-14-2024 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan (Post 3426490)
Biden's age is a thing. It was a thing before. It should have been resolved before now. But here we are. Also...



Reagan Retains Charm but Not His Memory - Los Angeles Times


You think this was primarily related to Reagan's age and not the investigation? Lots of people younger and more with it suddenly don't remember a lot of things when they might face criminal charges.

PilotMan 02-14-2024 11:50 AM

No, but the Rs back then didn't think to much of his 'memory' issues then did they?

Ksyrup 02-14-2024 12:18 PM

You can't get a Republican to acknowledge a 180 degree different position from documented statements made 5-6 years (heck, maybe months) ago. Pointing out a 35+ year old inconsistency is hardly a gotcha moment in today's politics.

RainMaker 02-14-2024 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3426447)
They aren't even hiding that they're going to steal all of the money.


Speaking of Reagan, I think he put his daughter as head of the RNC too (or some major position).

Lathum 02-14-2024 02:09 PM

Reagan would have been a RINO is todays party. Today they would be cheering Gorbachev on and praising him for how smart he is that he has a wall...

Thomkal 02-14-2024 02:15 PM

A republican on the house intelligence committee was tweeting today about a new(?) national security threat and the need for the president to declassify for all members to inspect. Several others are now releasing statements about it saying that they have been tracking this since the beginning and they are talking to the administration about what they can reveal about it

PilotMan 02-14-2024 04:00 PM

You mean? ANOTHER CRISIS!?!?!?!
Something I can fear, AND be angry about?!?!

RainMaker 02-14-2024 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3426516)
A republican on the house intelligence committee was tweeting today about a new(?) national security threat and the need for the president to declassify for all members to inspect. Several others are now releasing statements about it saying that they have been tracking this since the beginning and they are talking to the administration about what they can reveal about it


Defense industry needs new ways to siphon funds after the Ukraine money fell through.

Edward64 02-17-2024 08:21 AM

Next Saturday, Feb 24 is the date for Haley. Not looking good at all, wonder when she'll drop out.

Trump has huge lead over Haley in South Carolina, poll shows - POLITICO
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Ahead of the Feb. 24 GOP primary, the poll shows 65 percent of likely voters in the state would vote for Trump, which is a 36 percent lead over Haley. Out of Republican voters, an overwhelming 72 percent would vote for Trump.

Independents are more evenly split between the candidates, though. Of those likely to vote in the primary, 42 percent backed Haley compared to 43 percent for Trump.

Thomkal 02-17-2024 08:41 AM

Yes so not even telling the truth about Trump worked for Nikki.

Lathum 02-17-2024 09:19 AM

As long as she has financial backing she is going to stick around and home something happens to Trump to disqualify hm.

Edward64 02-17-2024 01:47 PM

A nice scenario would be for her to hang on till the very end, Trump loses in 2024, and positions herself for a 2028 run.

I guess it's possible she somehow gets an invite/agrees to join a Trump admin. But I'd be very disappointed in her if she did.

Ksyrup 02-17-2024 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 3426703)
Yes so not even telling the truth about Trump worked for Nikki.


It's not about the candidates at this point, it's about the people the candidates are talking to. Chris Christie said everything that needed to be said way earlier and better than Haley ever could, and the people didn't want to hear it. He basically got booed off of every stage he was on.

JonInMiddleGA 02-17-2024 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64 (Post 3426720)
I guess it's possible she somehow gets an invite/agrees to join a Trump admin. But I'd be very disappointed in her if she did.


I'd be second-guessing my vote for Trump if he puts that treacherous bitch in any job.

flere-imsaho 02-17-2024 03:30 PM

You're aware she had a position in his first administration, right?

Edward64 02-17-2024 03:49 PM

Yup. But a lot has been said during the run up to now

RainMaker 02-17-2024 03:51 PM

She is one of the slimiest politicians out there.

Thomkal 02-17-2024 04:02 PM

I imagine she will be back to saying Trump must be President again when she does drop out

JPhillips 02-17-2024 04:08 PM

Bill Barr has spent the last three years shit talking about Trump and now he has the gall to say if it's Trump vs. Biden he'll vote for Trump.

Edward64 02-18-2024 04:03 AM

Too bad. Would have been interesting for a while.

Manchin says he won’t launch independent presidential bid - Live Updates - POLITICO
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Sen. Joe Manchin said on Friday he will not mount a third-party presidential bid, a relief to Democrats who spent months worrying about his refusal to shut down the possibility of challenging President Joe Biden.

“I will not be seeking a third-party run. I will not be involved in a presidential run,” Manchin said at an event at West Virginia University.

Lathum 02-19-2024 03:03 PM

Human garbage....


RainMaker 02-19-2024 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 3426734)
Bill Barr has spent the last three years shit talking about Trump and now he has the gall to say if it's Trump vs. Biden he'll vote for Trump.


They all agree with what Trump and his policies. They just want to be invited to the cocktail parties too. These folks are huge cowards. I respect an all-out MAGA way more than these slimy creatures.

JPhillips 02-19-2024 05:17 PM

Is Haley dropping out?


Ksyrup 02-19-2024 06:54 PM

Isn't her home state primary this week and she's going to get embarrassed? Yeah, I'd say dropping out is 99.9% certain (although I haven't really been following any specific news about her lately).

GrantDawg 02-19-2024 07:17 PM

She has too much financial support. It is supposed to be more of a speech about why she is staying in from what I have read.

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Ksyrup 02-20-2024 06:55 AM

If true, I guess she's the chosen one to be the last person standing in case Trump doesn't run. Which seems exceedingly unlikely outside of some sort of health issue. I can't imagine the party telling him no - he'd burn the whole thing to the ground.

Kodos 02-20-2024 07:56 AM

Hey, there's always the chance that he flops over dead.

Brian Swartz 02-20-2024 08:44 AM

I'd take a very small chance of another candidate over no chance.

larrymcg421 02-20-2024 09:38 AM

The thing is if he dies or drops out, Haley still won't be the nominee. Unless it happens pretty soon, she won't have a majority of delegates by the convention and there's no way a brokered convention selects her to be the nominee.

Brian Swartz 02-20-2024 09:56 AM

What do you think would happen if Trump were to be unavailable for whatever reason and the convention had to choose someone else?

Thomkal 02-20-2024 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3426857)
What do you think would happen if Trump were to be unavailable for whatever reason and the convention had to choose someone else?



Chaos. :) Pretty sure MAGA/Republicans don't care about election laws/normal convention procedures at this point and would nominate whoever made the best deal/got the most money backing. Would be funny then if someone like Liz Cheney/Marc Elias sued them for not following proper election law.

Sweed 02-20-2024 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz (Post 3426857)
What do you think would happen if Trump were to be unavailable for whatever reason and the convention had to choose someone else?


Things become worse? Maybe? :eek:

Anti-Trump independent votes go where?

Look at the Speaker change as a blueprint.

Unless "normal" R's can somehow get control we could end up with a young MAGA idiot running against old Joe. If Trump died of natural causes it wouldn't be believed by Magas. He'd be a martyr that the Libs finally silenced, so I don't think (R) turnout is affected unless it goes up. If he was convicted and in prison? Same answer (you said unavailable, so in that scenario he can't be running the country wearing an ankle bracelet from home).

In a normal world this sounds stupid. But we haven't been normal for quite some time.

Brian Swartz 02-20-2024 12:06 PM

Yeah I was more just speculating about ... I mean, the convention will have to choose somebody. I suppose they could just say 'we're nominating Trump regardless, we'd rather he be President from jail/the morgue than anyone else' which would result in a walk-over for Biden since it'd never hold up in court. Even our courts.

But ultimately they'd almost certainly have to nominate somebody else. It's fine to say it'd never be Haley, but who then? I don't think many people really want DeSantis anymore, so ... it likely won't be relevant, but a thought exercise.

flere-imsaho 02-20-2024 12:13 PM

Look how long it took them to settle on a Speaker of the House. Could take months to decide on a candidate.

GrantDawg 02-20-2024 01:35 PM

Don Jr.


edit: and I'm not joking. Lara Trump will likely be running the convention, and they will definitely crown a Trump over any other candidate.

Edward64 02-20-2024 02:16 PM

IMO, Don Jr. doesn't stand a chance. He doesn't have the MAGA charisma (?).

Good for Haley. I don't know if this is the right decision politically but appreciate the drive to see it through.

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“Some of you—perhaps a few of you in the media—came here today to see if I’m dropping out of the race. Well, I’m not. Far from it,” Haley said in a speech in Greenville.

Haley vowed she is not exiting the race now, saying she will continue to compete in the primary past the South Carolina primary and through Super Tuesday on March 5.

albionmoonlight 02-21-2024 05:42 AM

“Trump is the very worst—the actual bottom of the barrel—of the human beings our country has birthed.

“You can tell me that he is tied with some others (Manson, Dahmer, and so on) but as a Trump biographer I’m not going to have any difficulty arguing that no one *exceeds* Trump in being despicable.

“Keep in mind that the death toll from his actions during the pandemic will never be equaled by any serial killer or terrorist because it would be logistically impossible.

“He’s betrayed and abused his country, his friends, his family, our legal system, our free market, voters, investors, bankers, lawyers, doctors, vendors, contractors, renters, business associates, consumers, television viewers (understand that most of his early televised pageants were rigged and rigged by him), innocent bystanders (think The Central Park Five) in ways you couldn’t find another human being in American history to have done *in totality*. I can’t name a redeeming quality in the man.

“Opposing Donald Trump isn’t a political act. I want to repeat that: opposing him *isn’t a political act*.

“Opposing him is like opposing serial killers, the mafia, unilateral nuclear strikes, polio, or mob violence.... it’s something *any person of conscience* would naturally do *regardless* of their views on contemporary public policy debates.

“This is something corporate media appears never to have understood: we’re called upon to oppose this man in the same way we are lice, poison, and arson.”

-Seth Abrasom

albionmoonlight 02-21-2024 05:43 AM

Dola: And he’s still gonna beat Haley by like 30 points


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