The ntn second run is not as interesting to me once Tyrith was killed, since I think he was the one that started it back up......but that's just my recollection.

I'd be a litle wary about making those announcements. Seems likely the wolves could have a wiretap type role themselves.

last time clap was so fast-n-loose he was a villager, right?

good point. there wasn't really anything in it that they wouldn't know though.

I'm just thinking for the future mostly. I can't imagine they'd use something like that this early.

Agreed. I think it's likely they do, based on the one season of the show I've seen.

The last one was the big one. My hunch was that he was Habib Marwan and was evil, and he wanted to find out whether or not he could reveal as himself or if he needed to use one of the roles he knew wasn't in the game. Obviously, he's not Habib, but it probably makes more sense that he wouldn't choose the exact conspirator he is, anyway.

Comparing that to JAG, who was Habib Marwan and was good:


As a "TV Show villain" who was good, he seems a lot more sure of himself about how it works. I know Brian explained his votes this morning, but because of my hunch here, I've been taking that explanation with a grain of salt.

He actually has -- check post 768.

I type my PMs fully in Swahili. So they'll have to translate as well.

yeah - JAG came out to me right away as Habib and said "listen i know you might think i'm bad and screwing with you, but hear me out" and actually wrote me probably the longest "this is who i am" PM of anyone.

hmmm - not a bad idea. google-translater and establish a language to use with each person

*paranoia running wild*

Uh.... i dont know how to do multi quotes... but its clearly not what he said in 768

Longer than mine?

I need to work harder at this whole thing.

alan - definately not the role you suggested, so toss that out. haven't gotten confirmation from others that it's possible at all.

This is what I saw of the NTN up and down swings.

Put NTN Up
Alan
Kwhit
Kingfc
Nfg22
Thomkal

Put NTN Down
DT
Alan
NFG22
path

Put NTN Up
Tyirth
Purdue
Schmidty

If this all means something I think it would mean that NTN was a wolf that they unsuccessfully tried to keep out of the voting. In that context the vote that interests me most is NFG22, who comes off of NTN and quickly puts a vote on KWhit, KWhit's second vote, introducing him as a viable candidate. He jumped on to NTN in the first place as the 8th vote at which point it may have looked like a runaway, and then jumped off soon after DT and Alan did, which gives him some cover.

It's not a whole lot, but it's the best I can get so far out of the record, which is a mess. I'm going to follow it with a vote because I feel like we need some voting action, but I may change.

VOTE NFG22

oh, and happy anniversary Alan!

There you go, clap. I don't know how you can say he's not saying he would like you to reveal also. But since he's in the thread, I'm sure he can confirm it for us.

Sure, plenty of clicks! nyuk nyuk nyuk

vote Chief Rum

Something just wasn't right about yesteryday/night. Of course I may still be stinging from the pain.

that's Bushman - and it's awesome!

if anybody's stinging from the pain it'd be CR

This is actually pretty decent logic. Of course you overlooked the possibility that I have a character who was good on the show and thus had no clue about how the "bad looking character" mechanic worked.

But go ahead and take my explanation with a grain of salt. While I think it is wrong to distrust me, I've really given no reason for you to trust me either. I fully admit that I'm no better than an "unknown" at this point.

+1

I wouldn't say I overlooked it -- it's just a hunch after all. I wasn't even going to mention it today until DT specifically asked. Well, I might have, if things had turned out differently with clap.

Thanks! Because of a huge work project I'm on, we technically celebrated two weekends ago. But going to try to at least do a small dinner somewhere tonight.

That wouldn't be my first suggestion. :) After missing your "The Jackal isn't a good place for a vote" clue, and your question about programmers actually being an in-game question, I was just excited to catch your "the vote for KWhit is NOT a bad vote" clue, and I jumped on it. You may say I am a pre-DT vote on KWhit, but I had assumed your comment was as good as a vote.

Sorry Jack but your daughter was into some kinky stuff in that cabin yesterday... :devil:

:popcorn:

For the record, I'm heading out for dinner and drinks before 5:00CDT. I'm not sure if I'll be back by the time the lynch happens. I'm still willing to change my vote between now and then.

I'm not following. Do you mean something that happened in thread, or something about your disappearance?

I don't know if I see necessarily eye to eye with DT regarding what Claphamsa is doing with his actions in the thread thus far, but I think he is a decent vote choice. At best, he has been difficult towards many today and at worst he is acting this way to try to cover something up perhaps.

Based on limited information to go on, I'll go and vote for him as well just to see how it plays out at least. I can always change my vote later if I want to. (Even though I'm leaving in about 30-40 minutes for a few hours)


Vote Claphamsa

Fair enough, I just wanted to point it out in case anyone else read your post and overlooked it. :)

Reading along last night something struck me as odd about his vote when he made it. Since that time I have been given no reason to not suspect him.

Clap certainly is acting squirrely, though I don't quite understand why or what it means. From your comment Alan I take it that there's some implication to it that DT understands.

I'm inclined to follow DT's vote but trying to resist jumping too quick, we see how that worked.

fair enough

I don't want to speak for DT, but I don't have any problem speaking for myself. I play alot on gut feelings, but can't do as well with that when I'm busier and have a harder time following along (like I am this week due to work). Still, I have gut feelings at times, and as such my interpretation of why Claphamsa is behaving the way he is (or a possibility at least) that I presented to DT in private and have no intention of sharing here is one that he doesn't think is likely. Keep in mind though that DT and I often are on different pages in regards to my gut feels about things, so don't take too much salt on that.

I'm simply saying that I think I likely have a different reason for voting Clap then DT does.. but either way I fully encourage others to vote with a reason either for him or someone else.

yes - please don't all blindly follow me. i'll try to guide you away from bad choices.

alan - i think we're pretty often on vastly different pages with regard to gut feelings

your vote is where now? nfg?

to claim otherwise would be understating it. but we can be good sounding boards for each other cuz of that.

I still think Clap was being awfully loud when he really had no reason to be so loud. I'm hesitant to vote against DT, but Clap just seems to be too out in the open to be bad. Then again, if DT and Alan have two separate reasons for not trusting Clap, I might be missing something.

My vote is currently on Telle.

so work exploded about 10 minutes before i had to leave the office, and i havent really had time to catch up past mid afternoon, so apologies if missed something important.

i am going to vote for the sake of making sure i am on the record with soemthing....i voted for jackal yesterday for the sake of having someone to vote for, but i didnt really like the way he responded to that...i thought he was overly defensive, yeah the reason i voted him was dumb, but it was day one and i thought he was a little over angry.

vote the jackal

Crikey, what a mess. Well, I think we have a lot of possible candidates. Clap struck me this morning as desperately trying to get out of DT's radar. I agree, Brian, he was a litlte loud about it, but he may have thought he had no choice. I'm going to do this for now.

UNVOTE NFG22
VOTE CLAPHAMSA

I'm not getting any good reads on anyone at the moment, but just to see what happens...

I'm going to Vote NFG22

FYI - I'll be pretty quiet today due to a death in my fiancee's family. I have to bring her to the airport a little later.

Expect to see more of me tomorrow for sure.

ummm...yikes. sorry for your fiancee.

Well I have no idea where to go with my vote today and I'm leaving work shortly. I don't want to just keep following DT around, and clap already has a bit of a run on him. So let's try to keep a second candidate close.

vote Chief Rum

@person who just sent me a PM - will address later

thanks Poli

leaving for home

Ok, I just caught up on the past 4 pages. From what read, I'm going to agree with (path I think) in that when PB was threatened, there was a really suspicious run to get those votes off of him. At this point, I'm going with:

Vote PurdueBad

Forewarning that there will be likely coverage gap sometime after 5:30.

Beep, beep, beep...

I mean, I thought your vote was silly, and I got kind of angry because it turned into a run on me.. I think it was justified. I didn't blow my top or anything.

I don't want to add another candidate to the mix, or I might give saldana another look. If I'm choosing between PB and clap, I think it's more likely clap is just being weird.

VOTE PB

I'm out for dinner and dishes and putting kids to bed. I'll be back in sometime this evening.

Happy Anniversary Alan!

Sorry for you and your fiancee's loss.

Dp we have a vote count?

I need to leave for class in about 15 minutes, so will reevaluate my vote now and won;t be on again until probably after lynch.

Chief Rum: Danny (652, 8:18 PM) EagleFan (924, 3:23 PM) Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Passacaglia: Clap (754, 8:15 AM)
Claphamsa: Pass (775, 8:57 AM) nfg (781, 9:21 AM) DT (923, 3:23 PM) Alan T (935, 3:31) Autumn (948, 3:46)
Purdue: path (867, 1:55) Schmidty (956 4:18 pm) Jackal (960, 4:37 pm)
Telle: BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)
nfg22: king (949, 3:51 PM)
The Jackal: Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

Unvote Chief Rum
Vote PurdueBrad

I may revisit the CR vote later, but I think out of the two day 1 vote getters it is more likely PB is a wolf then NTN. Clap is not a bad vote either, but I don't want a runaway here.

Self-defense for now.

vote Claphamsa

Well, I'm not sure how big a deal it is with no moderators around the thread - starting now - when there haven't been any posts in the last 40 minutes.

BK will probably be back here in the next 60-90 minutes if there are any questions to answer. I'll be back here (for more than a minute or two at a time) in a little less than three hours.

Hmm, I would love to parse this whole PB-clap thing, but fact is, I still feel a little too under pressure, and this is my general short check in before skipping out for the afternoon. As such, I think I'm going to need to put in a self-preservation vote, since I won't be around to address things before a likely lynch.

I will be back tonight to catch up and see what goes down.

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

well llooks like im gonna get lynched..... here the pm i sent to DT

Im some far programmer... and I have special privelages with other programmers, but I dont know who they are......so fi someone tells you they are one of the programmers its good for me to know (maybe) probably wont matter :)

nothing vaguely wolfy..... im dead so whatever.... just stop letting someone who knows little more than you lead you around by your noses. and thanks for reminding me why i stopped playing WW in the first place.

What is the case against clap? He isn't anyone that pinged my wolfdar, but it seems to be faulty lately anyway.

He went off on DT and then rest of us for following DT, that's pretty much it.

But honestly clap you only have yourself to blame, you could've been cordial about suggesting that following DT blindly wasn't a good idea (which none of us ever said it was.. it was just day 1..), but you weren't cordial, you pinged a bunch of people's radars, and even if you're just good and being clap (which I had suspected) you can't act like this came out of nowhere.

i dont think it came out of nowhere. i just think its foolish. for people to think that DT actually knows anything... is ridiculous. we know hes good... what else? thats it. who is to say mine or any other PM is accurate?

he might have more info.... but its probably LESS accurate than the info we have... and because of it well have 2 lynches and night killings (minimum) with no info gained from it.

No one is to say that it's accurate, but on day one, when we have nothing to go on, if he thought he found an inconsistency or something fishy in someone's PM, that sounds better to me than a lot of reasons for most day 1 votes.

I doubt that, it's not like KWhit was an early runaway. And this hasn't really been a runaway on you, there's plenty of room for vote analysis.

That's not exactly a reason to lynch him though. Why would a wolf go off on DT about leading everyone to vote out a villager?

everyone will just fall back on, i was following jack!

I never said it was a reason to lynch him, and I'm not voting for him. So yeah, other people are welcome to answer that.

one thing to think of.... why would a wolf play the way i have?

Yes, that's a danger if you follow that route everyday. You can't let wolves hide in day after day of runaway votes - but we've had at least some movement going on here, I don't think all is lost. And you aren't lynched.. yet.

Probably wouldn't unless they have to trigger something by getting lynched.

It's not just Clap's talk about DT that's getting him votes. It is the fact that DT has reason to suspect his role is a fake one. That's the main reason to vote him, as far as I can see, DT has said he is one of the two suspicious role reveals left. The fact that he therefore came out this morning against DT makes me suspicious that he realized he was under the gun and had to try to convince people not to listen to DT's gut. The fact that he did so in true clap fashion is just clap.

Oh, that's right, I forgot he was one of DT's two questionable PM people.

Ufortunately I've seen wolves say that very statement so that doesn't help much.

True but we see where trusting that feeling got us yesterday. "Jack" really let us down yesterday.

DT has no reason to suspect anything.

Except in comparing your PMs to all the others he received, presumably.

i psoted my pm.... anything suspicious about it to anyone other than DT?

I think some of the suspicion on clap has been his questioning of what DT knows. which is good to a degree, we should question what we believe. I am also a little less likely to vote for him since I was the thing he was railing agaist following. Thus if it is just clap vs pB we are talking about then
Vote Purduebrad

I do not think I will be back before the lynch.

Not really, but DT presumably knows a lot of people's roles and if no other programmers have made themselves apparent to them, maybe one of you is a wolf, I don't know exactly what the line of thinking is.

We have a vote count?

*apparent to him

i have 8 pb has 6

well per the rules.... there were maybe 30 ish roles? and 6 were programmers... so there HAS to be another programmer.....

Chief Rum - EagleFan (924, 3:23 PM), Telle (950, 3:53 PM)
Claphamsa - Pass (775, 8:57 AM), nfg (781, 9:21 AM), DT (923, 3:23 PM), Alan T (935, 3:31), Autumn (948, 3:46), Purdue (967, 4:58 pm), Chief (969, 6:01 PM)

Purdue - path (867, 1:55), Schmidty (956 4:18 pm), Jackal (960, 4:37 pm), Danny (966 4:55 pm), NTN (991, 7:09 PM), Clap (993, 7:14 PM)

Telle - BrianD (881, 2:23 PM)

nfg22 - king (949, 3:51 PM)

The Jackal - Saldana (947, 3:44 PM)

There may not be anything suspicious in the pm itself Clap, its the fact that no one apparantly has told DT that they are a programmer as well, and apparantly nobody claiming to be a programmer has tried to contact you via one of our four free PM's either. Why if they are good, would a programmer hold that back from DT the only known good in the game?

hoops -- when did today start?

Pass, I believe it was 8:06 PM on 7/7. Will double-check that now.

well i never said i was the programmer looking for other programmers till about an hour ago....