Izulde, then me, correct?

Yes.

Just got in, but I need to head out for a bit and then be back.

Edit: Ineligible pick

8.2 - Statue of Liberty, Manmade Structure, USA, Pre-20th

Argh, sorry. Missed that. *goes back to drawing board*

9.6 - Satoru Iwata - Economist - Japan - 20th Century

After the seeming collapse of Nintendo as a legitimate heavyweight in the television video game console market after the debacles with the N64 and the Gamecube, Iwata led Nintendo back to the forefront, riding this generation's hottest system, the Wii, which has proceeded to smash untold numbers of records.

Named one of Barron's top CEOs, his brilliance in understanding the economic climate and leading a storied company back to headliner prominence is an amazing accomplishment. Now he moves on from restoring Nintendo's luster to chartering the financial future for our nation.

9.7 Henry Morgan, Navy Chief, Jamaica, Pre-20th

One of the most notorious and successful privateers in the Carribbean, Morgan spent the bulk of his time operating out of Port Royale (where he was Governor for a time), carving up the Spanish Main.

He, unlike most pirates, actually retired very much alive.

Take that, whoever blocked the British Navy. :)

GAH!!!

not sure if we're stalled on me or not...if so I apologize. been dealing with computer problems all night - trying to get it all backed up so I can send it in for service on monday but everytime I go to create a disc image it starts taking forever n freezing

No worries. I think you are up since Coffee went last.

not sure what pick # I am in this round (on my phone right now), but don't want to hold this up any longer

9.8 - Themistocles, Naval Chief, Greece, Pre-20th century

Who's up?

Wondering if someone was going to take Themistocles

yep. he was 1/1a with Tirpitz. figured it'd be hard to pass by the guy who essentially won the naval battle that enabled the rise of Western civilization though

and FYI - if I've got to pick later in the day I'll have to do it from my phone, i'm about to wipe my HD's and get this laptop ready to send in to HP for service tomorrow morning

so i'd appreciate it if the person before me sent me a PM just so that pops up so that otherwise i can ignore the thread till tomorrow morning at work

Nice, two pikcs, boom boom

DAMN, THAT WAS MY NEXT PICK:(

9.11 Peter I The Great, Naval Commander-Russia, pre-20th century

"The father of the Russian Navy"

Wow, glad I took him over the pick I was planning for 10.3, wasn't sure which I should take first, but thought Hayek was the better choice to take first

Lathu m is around in the WW right now, so hopefully he'll pop on over in the next few

gimme a few

See?

10.1- Religous Leader- Joseph Smith- Pre 20th Century Founder of the Mormons

I like de Ruyter

Boom, Boom ,Boom. The picks fall!

Thanks, he was next on my list after BK's pick. I was happy to see him last even with the run on naval commanders.

larry, i know there is some work involved, but I would love to see the first post updated when you get a chance. Thanks!

Tell, you what, in order to be helpful, I'll get the picks updated, and you can cut and paste it, and do the rest.

Draft Order

Round 1

1. Apathetic Lurker - Sun Tzu, Army Chief, China, Pre-20th
2. surtt - Julius Cesar, Leader/Ruler, Italy, pre-20th
3. Abe Sargent - Alexander the Great, Army Chief, Greece, pre-20th
4. Barkeep49 - Adam Smith, Economist, Great Britain, Pre-20th
5. Noop - Oil Fields of Saudi Arabia, Geographical Location, Saudi Arabia, Pre-20th
6. Izulde - Manfred "The Red Baron" von Richthofen, Air Chief, Germany, 20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Jesus Christ, Religious Leader, Israel, Pre-20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther King Jr., Civil Rights Activist, USA, 20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Horatio Nelson, Navy Chief, Great Britain, pre-20th century
10. Danny - Muhammad, Religious Leader, Saudi Arabia, pre-20th
11. Galaril - Abraham Lincoln, Leader/Ruler, United States, Pre-20th
12. Lathum - Nelson Mandela, Civil Rights, South Africa, 20th

Round 2

1. Lathum - Leonardo Da Vinci, Artist, Italy, pre-20th
2. Galaril - Dwight D. Eisenhower, Army Chief, United States, 20th
3. Danny - Mahatma Ghandi, Civil Rights Leader, India, 20th
4. ntndeacon - Karl Marx, Economist, Germany, pre-20th
5. DaddyTorgo - John Kenneth Galbraith, Economist, United States, 20th
6. Coffee Warlord - Albert Einstein, Scientist, Germany, 20th
7. Izulde - Jim Brown, Athlete, United States, 20th
8. Noop - King Solomon, Justice Minister, Israel, Pre-20th
9. Barkeep49 - John Glenn, Air Chief, United States, 20th
10. Abe Sargent - Marco Polo, Chief Diplomat, Italy, Pre-20th
11. surtt - Napoleon Bonaparte, Army Chief, France, pre-20th
12. Apathetic Lurker - Josef Stalin, Leader/Ruler, Russia, 20th

Round 3

1. Apathetic Lurker - Sir Arthur Harris, Air Chief, Great Britain, 20th
2. surtt - Dalai Lama, Religious Leader, China, Post-20th
3. Abe Sargent - Siddhartha Buddha, India, Religious Leader, Pre20th
4. Barkeep49 - Ghengis Khan, Millitary Leader, Mongolia, Pre-20th
5. Noop - Imhotep, Scientist, Egypt, Pre-20th
6. Izulde - Otto von Bismarck, Chief Diplomat, Germany, Pre-20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - William Shakespeare, Artist, England, Pre 20th
8. DaddyTorgo - John Marshall, Justice Minister, American, Pre-20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Theodore Roosevelt, Chief Diplomat, United States, 20th century
10. Danny - Aristotle, Scientist, Greece, Pre-20th
11. Galaril - Ben Franklin, Scientist - America, Pre 20th Century
12. Lathum - John Paul Jones, Naval Chief, United States, Pre-20th century

Round 4

1. Lathum - William Wallace, Army Chief, Great Britain, Pre-20th
2. Galaril - John Stuart Mills, Civil Rights Leader, Great Britain, Pre-20th
3. Danny - Adolph Hitler, Leader/Ruler - Germany, 20th century
4. ntndeacon - Tobias Michael Carel Asser, Justice Minister, The Netherlands, 20th century
5. DaddyTorgo - Isaac Newton, Scientist, United Kingdom, Pre-20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - Charlemagne, Leader/Ruler, France, Pre-20th
7. Izulde - Hammurabi, Justice Minister, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
8. Noop - Pele, Athlete, Brazil, 20th Century
9. Barkeep49 - Moses, Justice Minister, Egypt, Pre-20th
10. Abe Sargent - Mother Theresa, Civil Rights Activist, Albania, 20th
11. surtt - Louis Pasteur, Scientist, France, Pre-20th
12. Apathetic Lurker - Ibn Khaldoun, Economist, Tunisia, Pre-20th century

Round 5

1. Apathetic Lurker - Simon Bolivar, Civil Rights, Venezuela, Pre-20th Century
2. surtt - Sir Winston Churchill, Diplomat, UK, Post-20
3. Abe Sargent - Tōgō Heihachirō, Japan, Navy Chief, 20th
4. Barkeep49 - Marie Curie, Poland, Scientist, 20th Century
5. Noop - King David, Leader, Israel, Pre-20th Century
6. Izulde - Confucius, Civil Rights Leader, China, Pre-20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Erwin Rommel, Army Leader, Germany, Post 20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Mordechai Hod, Air Force Leader, Israel, 20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Attilla the Hun, Army Chief, Hungary, pre-20th century
10. Danny - Pope John Paul II, Chief Diplomat, Poland, 20th century
11. Galaril - Darius the Great, Iran , Justice Minister, Pre 20th century
12. Lathum - Great Wall of China, Manmade structure, China, pre-20th

Round 6

1. Lathum - Yuri Gagarin, Air Chief, Russia, 20th
2. Galaril - Pablo Picasso, Artist, Spain 20th
3. Danny - Alfred Hitchcock, Artist, United States, 20th century
4. ntndeacon - Alberto Santos, Dumont, Air Chief, Brazil, 20th century
5. DaddyTorgo - Geographical Location - Fertile Crescent, Iraq, Pre-20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - Anthony Fokker, Air Chief, Netherlands, 20th Century
7. Izulde - Galileo Galilei - Scientist - Italy - Pre-20th Century
8. Noop - James Joyce, Artist, Ireland, 20th Century
9. Barkeep49 - Tallyrand, Diplomat, France, Pre-20th Century
10. Abe Sargent - John Locke, Justice Minister, UK, Pre20th
11. surtt - Lech Walesa, Civil Rights Activist, Poland, 20th Century
12. Apathetic Lurker - En Hedu' Anna, Artist, Iraq, pre-20th century

Round 7

1. Apathetic Lurker - Ibn al-haytham, Scientist, Iraq, Pre-20th century
2. surtt - Billy Bishop, Air Chief, Canada, 20th Century
3. Abe Sargent - Sergey Korolyov, Air Chief, Ukraine, 20th
4. Barkeep49 - Daw Aung San Suu Kyi Civil Rights Activist, Burma, 20th Century
5. Noop - Saladin, Army Chief, Egypt, Pre-20th
6. Izulde - Mt. Everest, Geographic Location, China, 20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Socrates, Justice Minister, Greece, Pre-20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Klemens Wenzel, Prince von Metternich, Chief Diplomat Austria, Pre-20th Century
9. ntndeacon - Great Pryamid at Giza-Man Made Structure, Egypt, pre 20th century
10. Danny - Isoroku Yamamoto, Air Chief, Japan, 20th
11. Galaril - Mikhail Gorbachev, Diplomat, Russia, 20th
12. Lathum - Mao Zedung, Leader/Ruler, China, 20th


Round 8

1. Lathum - Roger Bannister, Athlete, United Kingdom, 20th
2. Galaril - Statue of Liberty, Manmade Structure, USA, Pre-20th
3. Danny - Wayne Gretzky, Athlete, Canada, Post 20th century
4. ntndeacon - Diego Maradona-Athlete-Argentina-20th century
5. DaddyTorgo - Martin Luther, Religious Leader, Germany, Pre-20th Century
6. Coffee Warlord - Yasser Arafat, Diplomat, Egypt, 20th
7. Izulde - Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar - Military Chief - Spain - Pre-20th Century
8. Noop - Saint Augustine - Religious Leader - Algeria- Pre20th Century
9. Barkeep - Yi Sun-sin Naval Chief Korea Pre-20th
10. Abe - Sigmund Freud, Scientist, Austria, 20th
11. Surtt - Vincent van Gogh, Artist, Netherlands, Pre-20th
12. Apathetic Lurker - Karl Doenitz, Naval Chief, Germany 20th


Round 9


1. Apathetic Lurker - British Isles, Geographic Location, UK, 20th
2. Surtt - Panama Canal, Man made Structure, Panama, Post-20th
3. Abe - Miyamoto Musashi, Athelete, Japan, Pre20th
4. Barkeep - Sulieman the Magnificent Turkey Ruler/Leader Pre-20th Century
5. Noop - Xiao Gang - Economist - China - 20th Century
6. Izulde - Satoru Iwata - Economist - Japan - 20th Century
7. Coffee Warlord - Henry Morgan, Navy Chief, Jamaica, Pre-20th
8. DaddyTorgo - Themistocles, Naval Chief, Greece, Pre-20th century
9. ntndeacon - Niels Bohr-Scientist-Denmark-20th century
10. Danny - Friedrich Hayek, Economist - Austria, 20th century
11. Galaril - Peter I The Great, Naval Commander-Russia, pre-20th century
12. Lathum - Great Barrier Reef, Geographical Location, Australia- 20th Century


Round 10

1. Lathum - Religous Leader- Joseph Smith- Pre 20th Century, USA?
2. Galaril - Saint Patrick, Religious Leader - Ireland(UK), Pre-20th century
3. Danny - Michiel de Ruyter, Naval Commander - Netherlands, Pre-20th Century
4. ntndeacon - Chi'ang Kai-shek --- Leader/Ruler---Taiwan---20th Century



There we are, all up to date.


Lathum didn;t choose a country for Smith

maybe he meant to pick whackoville?

I am sorry about this but I have a problem with Puerto Rico being considered a separate country.

Agreed

I totally missed it, but you are right.

agreed

They do compete separately at the Olympics.

Yep, if Scotland can't be considered a country, doesn't seem like Puerto Rico should be able to be either.

Sorry, but Puerto Rico is United States and cannot be used as a separate country.

Thanks for the updated draft list. Been a little busy today, but I'll try to get a full update on the first page tonight.

BTW, don't know if anyone noticed yet, but I have yet to pick any two people from the same country. I am going diverse!

Wow, I am getting old Puerto Rico is part of the States and Pluto isn't a planet anymore;( I chnaged it to St.Pat, religious leader.

smith should be in the US. And I agree, Puerto Rico is in the US. IMO the olympic argument doesn't fly since baseball isn't an olympic sport.

interesting pick

yea I figured I needed a 20th century leader. And I was going back and forth over 2 of them.

Draft recap has been updated with patrick and ntndeacon's pick

oh wait - is 10.5 me? LOL

damn snake-thing confuses me everytime

Snake: Metal Gear.....

fuck - i just had a couple of things road-blocked...bear with me

forgot that surtt had taken churchill as a diplomat, was all set to make that my pick for ruler *sigh*

okay - after much consideration and making of lists and all

10.5 Jawaharlal Nehru, Ruler/Leader, India, 20th Century

who?

Well Izulde, that leaves just me and you for leaders. Everyone else has dipped into the leader pot.

Jawaharlal Nehru - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i thought long and hard about it because i worried that would be the reaction. I needed a 20th century ruler so that I have some freedom in my remaining picks, and it really boiled down to a few choices. I could have taken somebody along the lines of a hitler or something (not naming names) but i didn't want to have to deal with the PR-flack of that.

Nehru was the first prime minister of independent India. He was the political heir of Ghandi, very well-regarded on the international stage. Very educated as well.

And hey, the guy was ruler of a country with like 1/5 of the world's population, so you know he can do the job.

I think there were better 20th century choices on the board, but I'm I'm going pre-20th I suspect.

there might have been some, but a lot of the ones i looked at had "negative-PR" or were cock-blocked. maybe i just have a soft spot in my heart for nehru...idk

In all of history, we learn the rulers the most. We know the rulers the best. Down the ranks of history, each of us could name hundreds, perhaps a thousand different rules and leaders. If you are not walking away from this draft with a big name at ruler/leader, no matter where you pick, or what round you use, I think that's a missed opportunity.

10.6 Henri Dunant, Civil Rights Leader, Switzerland, 20th Century

His work led to the foundation of the International Red Cross, as well as the first Geneva Convention. Later in life, he became active in women's rights, and received the first ever Nobel Peace prize in 1901.

And I think you can make the argument that Nehru is a big name at Ruler/Leader. Certainly ask any of the Indian members of the board...or any Indian in the world. He doesn't fit into the typical Western-world view, but that was a result of not feeling that there were a lot of those left at this point (the major countries had been blocked, and as i said, i want to go 20th century so that I was able to finish out my draft strategy). I won't name the other people still out there who i considered but didn't take at this point, but they all had blemishes.

nice pick. one Iwas thinknig about for my Civil rights pick.

Not my fault if the voters don't recognize the critical importance of Nehru to Indian independence and then the postwar period.

1. First and longest-serving PM of India
2. One of the founders of the Non-aligned movement in the postwar period
3. Ghandi's protegee and political successor
4. Liberal. Concerned for poor and underpriveleged, pushed through a series of reforms that led to the foundation of "Modern India."
5. Father of Indiri and grandfather of Rajiv Ghandi.

I could have gone with a despot and an absolute ruler, but this pick was about who i want running my nation, and I can't say i want ohhh...Mussolini or his equivalent. It also gets e me a 20th century ruler where there are not that good choices left (and fewer still without negative-PR).

In DT's defense, I think what makes this draft great, and different in nature to the previous historical draft, is we are not just looking for big names, but people who would be great at these positions. Now many times those two will go hand in hand, but not always. For example, I don't think anyone would say Mordechai Hod is a big name, but he's certainly a great choice for that spot.

Of course, it is up to DT, and anyone picking a non-big name to make their case for the voters.

Exactly. If I was going "big name" then there are a bunch of people in third world countries i would have picked over nehru, but i wouldn't want any of them running my country over nehru, because most of them are dictators. and if i'm going to have a dictator running my country then why have a justice minister, or an army chief or anything?

Nehru was a statesman, a patriot, and a nation builder. He helped to bring together a very fragmented society in India and unite them, and created the modern India that is so successful that it is taking all of our jobs away. You may not recognize his name, but you can't knock his accomplishments. Particularly as a "head of state."

As someone with a very prolific Asian cast on my team so far, you should realize that I do not endorse the necessarily Western view of things. However, there is a reason many don;t know of Nehru. In today's day and age there are a bunch of countries, and many of those have had good leaders in the past 110 years. Only the truly great ones are the ones people know. Does Nehru suck? Nope. In real life, he'd be a fine leader. He was a good guy. But he's not a sexy pick, and I think there are a ton of sexy picks at the Ruler/Leader level, that's all.

Nehru was controversial like Ghandi. And oh, it's my pick? Hmmm, okay let me look.

I'm not so sure there are a ton of "sexy picks" left that don't also carry the tag of "this guy was a despot". Look at the countries that have been taken already - it covers the major world powers. You could certainly argue that there have been some good leaders in some smaller countries, but I'd argue that none of them have accomplished as much with the stakes as high as Nehru. Russia & China & USA have been covered, as has Western Europe, and frankly I don't see any sexier names in Eastern Europe, and definately not in Africa or South America that don't carry the baggage of negative PR. I actually did have at least two other 20th century thoughts - one of them I discounted as being too reactionary and "blah" and the other I discounted for being more of an army leader and less of a statesman.

I want a statesman as my ruler. And Nehru is just that.

I can send you a pm with one name if you want. Just one name.

10.7 - Queen Isabella - Ruler/Leader - Spain - Pre-20th Century

Although she's often paired with Ferdinand as the Catholic Monarchs, it was Isabella who was the stronger of the two by far. A skilled, beautiful, devout ruler, she was not only able to complete the Reconquista during her reign, but she also launched the Age of Exploration in Spain, key to making the kingdom a world power. She also was able to keep Castile a separate kingdom, despite Ferdinand's grasping for the throne repeatedly.

Can you imagine the skill at intrigue and unification we have for our new nation with this woman as our ruler and Bismarck as the Chief Diplomat? Our independence and rise as a world power are virtually assured.

A very strong pick, and one of the few I had circled for a late pikcup in r/l. Very good!

nice pick izulde

Thanks. :) She's my favorite monarch of all time, so I'd planned to make her my ruler if she was still around in the late game.

Thanks, DT :)

10.8 - Alonso Pérez de Guzmán - Navy Chief - Spain - pre 20th

I cannot believe that no one took the UK for leader/ruler. There are tons of great monarchs and prime ministers available, and no one took any. That astounds me. I'm not going there for my leader either, but still, color me surprised.

I was going to take Churchill for leader/ruler before he got snapped up. And there was an English ruler I -almost- took instead of Isabel.

But I'm a little surprised myself.

10.9 Nadia Elena Comăneci Romania Athlete 20th Century

Perfection is hard to argue with.

Give me about 5 minutes and I'll have mine in

Finishing up the first post while watching the Celtics pretend to be a D-League team.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:rant:

That reminds me, I need to finish the East Conference Finals and post them.

given his dissapearing act this series you might not want to trade for ray allen :p

hmmm :confused:

I wanted a world class icon structure, but it had to be 20th century.

I thought about this one.

Damn you! :mad:

Great value

Apathetic Lurker picks:

10.12 Pierre Fredy (Baron de Coubertin), Athlete, France, pre 20th

12.1 Zarathustra, Religious Leader, Iran, pre 20th

Excellent value with Zarathrustra

Surtt's back up!

Give me a few min.
Didn't expect to be back up so soon.

11.2 Charles Ponzi, Economist, Italy, Post-20


Hey, I can get in on the ground floor...
All I need is to get a few other nations to sign up...