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sterlingice 08-23-2008 12:12 PM

NOOOO! We're onto synchronized swimming :(

Make it stop. Isn't there some equestrian event or something they can show instead? Or miles 10-12 of the marathon? Or something else suitably interresting?

SI

MrBug708 08-23-2008 12:17 PM

I see Volleyball?

Oilers9911 08-23-2008 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by larrymcg421 (Post 1812711)
So we've had "Who cares?" about Phelps accomplishment and now we've gotten to Phelps not having a major impact on the ratings. I think we've left the realm of reality.


Why should anyone have to care about Michael Phelps or any other athlete? Some care, some don't.

molson 08-23-2008 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oilers9911 (Post 1814415)
Why should anyone have to care about Michael Phelps or any other athlete? Some care, some don't.


A lot of people just find swimming really boring.

DaddyTorgo 08-23-2008 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 1814420)
A lot of people just find swimming really boring.


a lot of people find running really boring too

MJ4H 08-23-2008 01:53 PM

I find them both really boring, and I don't care much for Bolt or Phelps, but I respect both of their accomplishments and find an argument about which was more impressive or groundbreaking kind of silly. I do, however, realize that we do need something to bicker about so get back to it please. I get bored enough to read it sometimes. :)

sabotai 08-23-2008 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJ4H (Post 1814446)
I find them both really boring, and I don't care much for Bolt or Phelps, but I respect both of their accomplishments and find an argument about which was more impressive or groundbreaking kind of silly.


:+1:

Quote:

I do, however, realize that we do need something to bicker about so get back to it please. I get bored enough to read it sometimes. :)

:+1: :D

mtolson 08-23-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1813737)
I'd think bolt would be good on the 110s due to his speed and height. But I can't really recall anyone doing both.

We'll see what happens for London. If he decides to add the 400 and wins that too along with the other sprints I'd think that would seal his legendary status.


In 1993 Gail Devers won the 100m and 100h at the World Championships. Not sure if she has competed in both during the same Olympic's but she has been a world champion in both events.

Most hurdlers are also extremely fast sprinters. However, I would imagine Bolt having difficulties with the hurdles due to his stride. I can't see him 3 stepping at all. He would most likely end up alternating legs at each hurdle. I can see him succeeding in the 400 or Long Jump.

DaddyTorgo 08-23-2008 03:18 PM

OMG

ESPN - Matos faces lifetime ban after kicking referee following match - Olympics

sabotai 08-23-2008 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1814489)


"He was too strict," Leudis Gonzalez said, referring to the decision to disqualify Matos.



Well, if the rules say a person gets 1 minute to recover, and is DQed if he can not continue after the minute is up, how is it too strict? It's the rules. There doesn't seem to be any subjectivity there.

JonInMiddleGA 08-23-2008 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice (Post 1814405)
Or something else suitably interesting?


Olympic Paintdrying, next on MSNBC.

JonInMiddleGA 08-23-2008 04:06 PM

Matos & the coach ought to get a shot with the WWE. They already turned heel, they could play evil foreigners, and they already familiar with the ref bump spot. His gimmick could be getting DQ'ed in every match then destroying the ref afterwards.

molson 08-23-2008 04:11 PM

NBC is ALL over taking stuff down from youtube. But as of this second, you can see the Matos thing here:

YouTube - Cuban taekwondo Angel Matos kicks referee in face- olymics

sabotai 08-23-2008 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 1814513)
NBC is ALL over taking stuff down from youtube. But as of this second, you can see the Matos thing here:

YouTube - Cuban taekwondo Angel Matos kicks referee in face- olymics


Ok, after watching that, it does seem like the ref was being a dick. I mean, it's not like he was just sitting there, and time ran out. With 5 seconds left, the ref could have told him to get up and get ready. The buzzer went off and he started to get up, he wasn't still recovering. I can see why someone would think (as do I now) that it was too strict.

Regardless, he attacked a referee and should be banned for life. I would hope that would be the standard in any sport.

BishopMVP 08-23-2008 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtolson (Post 1814475)
I can see him (Bolt) succeeding in the 400 or Long Jump.

Ato Bolden was saying the other night that some people still thought the 400 was Bolt's best event. We'll see - I honestly put the odds of him even being making the next Olympics at 50/50.


In other news, the IOC and most these governing bodies are hopelessly corrupt and arrogant. First, wrestling
Quote:

Originally Posted by http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/wrestling/news?slug=ap-wre-abrahamian&prov=ap&type=lgns
Court: Wrestler who dropped medal was right

By (AP) 39 minutes ago

BEIJING (AP)—It turns out that the Greco-Roman wrestler who was stripped of his bronze medal for dropping it in disgust on the mat had reason for being angry, according to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
Ara Abrahamian of Sweden complained to CAS that a penalty in the second round of his 84-kilogram bout on Aug. 14 against Italian Andrea Minguzzi wasn’t assessed until after the round ended. Once factored in, Abrahamian automatically lost the match. Minguzzi went on to win the gold medal.
Abrahamian’s coach was then denied a request for a video review, then the wrestling federation—the International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles, or FILA—refused to consider a protest.
The 28-year-old Abrahamian had to be restrained from going after matside officials following his loss to Minguzzi. He stormed away from the area where interviews are conducted and slammed a door to the dressing rooms.

After he was given his bronze during the medals ceremony, Abrahamian walked off the podium, went over to mat and dropped it in disgust and walked away. On Aug. 15, the International Olympic Committee disqualified Abrahamian and stripped his medal for violating the spirit of fair play during the medal ceremony.
The Armenian-born Abrahamian—who also lost a 2004 Olympic semifinal match on a disputed call—initially wanted judges in the bout tossed out and his medal restored. But in the end, he only wanted CAS to verify that the lack of an immediate appeals process is a loophole that needs to be fixed. It also was referred to as a violation of “the Olympic Charter and FILA’s own rules about fair play.”
Judges said Abrahamian was right.
“We limit ourselves to ruling that FILA must, consistently with the (Olympic) Charter and general principles of fairness, establish for the future a jury of appeal to determine the validity or otherwise of complaints of the kind ventilated by (Abrahamian),” the judges wrote.
Elsewhere in the 20-page ruling, judges noted several times that FILA did not appear at a hearing.

And then there's boxing.
Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.bangkokpost.com/230808_Sports/23Aug2008_sport99.php
Beijing boxing marred by series of allegations

Wanchai Rujawongsanti


The Beijing boxing tournament was hit by controversy inside and outside the ring yesterday.

Amid several disputable decisions in the semi-finals, a senior International Amateur Boxing Association (Aiba) official claimed the selection of the match officials for most bouts was manipulated.

But Aiba said it was the official, Rudel Obreja of Romania, who might have been involved in possible attempts of manipulation and he was suspended yesterday.

Obreja, a techinical delegate for the Beijing Games, told a press conference that South Korea's Kim Ho, Aiba technical director, had changed the judges in about 60-70% of the matches in Beijing.

Under the rules, the five judges for each bout are selected randonly by computer with one each from the boxers' continent and the three others from other continents. But Obeja claimed Kim had often changed the line-ups picked by computer.

The Romanian said Aiba president Ching-Kuo Wu, who appointed Kim to the position, approved the changes of the line-ups.

Asked why he revealed the matter, he said: "I want to show the public what is happening in this tournament."

As the press conference was arranged personally by Obreja, organising officials then told him to stop it and switched off his microphone. "I won't stop," he said.

The press conference became chaotic when Kim entered the room and traded words with Obreja.
In a statement, Aiba said two months prior to the start of the Games, it had obtained information regarding possible attempts to manipulate the competition.

During the boxing last night, the director of AIBA was telling Teddy Atlas that they had "still gotten the right winner in 90-95% of the matches." Ironically, the most egregious act I saw - giving the match away on a penalty to the French kid for holding when his opponent had him in headlocks and was throwing uppercuts the entire match - AIBA still claimed the referee was right. Way to make your increasingly irrelevant sport even more so.

BishopMVP 08-23-2008 07:15 PM

The Chinese joke about Phelps/swimming having more medals, with added intra-asian rivalries!
Quote:

Everyone’s upset about Michael Phelps winning gold medals in the 100m, 200m, 400m and 1500m breaststroke, backstroke butterfly and freestyle. Each country has demanded that more medals be awarded for their strongest sports.
Brazil wants football to be divided into 3-a-side, 5-a-side, 7-a-side and 11-a-side matches played on the beach, indoors and on grass.
China wants table tennis to be divided into pen-hold grip, shake-hand grip, pen-hold doubles, shake-hand doubles and pen-hold/shake-hand mixed doubles. It also wants diving to be divided into 1m, 2m, 3m, 4m… all the way up to 10m.
Britain wants equestrian events to be divided into black horse equestrian, white horse equestrian, chestnut and zebra.
Kenya wants long-distance running to include the 10,000m, 11,000m, 12,000m, 13,000m….
As well as men’s and women’s events, Thailand wants ladyboy events as well.
Only South Korea has had no objections. They just shouted “Michael Phelps is Korean!”

Buccaneer 08-23-2008 07:24 PM

Quote:

As well as men’s and women’s events, Thailand wants ladyboy events as well.

Lol.

Thomkal 08-23-2008 09:40 PM

wow that was quite the shocker of an ending in men's diving

sabotai 08-23-2008 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomkal (Post 1814622)
wow that was quite the shocker of an ending in men's diving


Yeah, that was pretty insane. The Aussie needed a near perfect dive and nailed it.

MrBug708 08-24-2008 01:18 AM

American men capture the Olympic Gold giving some closure in their tragedy.

Chief Rum 08-24-2008 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708 (Post 1814705)
American men capture the Olympic Gold giving some closure in their tragedy.


And the sport is...men's volleyball? If I guess right, do I win anything?

DaddyTorgo 08-24-2008 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum (Post 1814706)
And the sport is...men's volleyball? If I guess right, do I win anything?


I think you win a date with Reid Pretty. Or Clay Stanley. Your choice.

Jas_lov 08-24-2008 02:22 AM

U.S. up 8 on Spain at the half!

Jas_lov 08-24-2008 02:45 AM

Usually the U.S. depth wears teams down, but Spain isn't going away. It's a 4 point game with 4:00 left in the 3rd!

Eaglesfan27 08-24-2008 02:56 AM

Is this game being replayed tomorrow? I've made it through 3 quarters, but am having trouble staying awake even sitting at the computer.

Jas_lov 08-24-2008 03:01 AM

It's down to a 3 point lead with 8:00 in the 4th quarter!

Radii 08-24-2008 03:01 AM

A couple of these alley-oops that Spain has succeeded with on the US have been really, really impressive. The US is not playing the same defense they were in the first half and half their possessions since Spain went zone have involved 5 guys standing around and one of them deciding to put up a shot from wherever they happen to be. Yuck.

Radii 08-24-2008 03:06 AM

Every time Spain gets it down to 5 or less though the US has found a little burst to push the lead back out. Spain isn't winning this, but they're giving it a hell of an effort.

Vegas Vic 08-24-2008 03:06 AM

This game is starting to remind me of the UNLV/Duke game from 1991.

Vegas Vic 08-24-2008 03:35 AM

USA guts it out for the win. I give a lot of credit to Spain. After getting blown out in the prior game against the US, they hung tough the whole game.

Icy 08-24-2008 04:22 AM

This is the basketball game i wanted to see from my country after playing lazy and being embarrassed by USA in the group stage game. We are the last world champions and we needed to prove why.

Too bad Calderon, NBA player and our best PG could not play today after an injury. He could have been great help today, but our 18 years old PG Ricky Rubio stepped up and had a good game as starting PG today. Watch out for him in the next draft, he is predicted to be in the top 10.

The end of game was great, with Spain 4 points under USA in the last 2 minutes. Then that last minute was just garbage, specially after the two consecutive technical faults called to the Spanish bench and PG for arguing with the referees about the lack of traveling faults called to USA players during the whole game (and in fact during the whole Olympic games).

That is the only issue that non American basketball fans will have about the USA team. USA players committed traveling fault (under FIBA rules) on 75% of their possessions, and it was called like 2 times per game only.

Unlike in the NBA, under FIBA rules, you need to put the ball on the floor before your first step step, in the NBA you can step twice and then put the ball on the floor, giving a good advantage to the ball carrier to get the initial acceleration maxed. The referees were told to ignore that fault in USA players as they are not used to it but... if we play under FIBA rules, those rules should apply to both teams. Every team facing USA this Olympic games has gone nuts with the referees for not calling traveling.

Anyway that is not an excuse, the USA team is the best in the world, no discussion allowed, but i'm glad we Spanish showed today that the gap is closing really fast, in fact we are exporting more and more players to the NBA. Watch out also for Rudy Fernandez in Portland this season, you saw today what he can do.

kingfc22 08-24-2008 04:56 AM

Rudy Fernandez has game!

BishopMVP 08-24-2008 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 1814746)
Then that last minute was just garbage, specially after the two consecutive technical faults called to the Spanish bench and PG for arguing with the referees about the lack of traveling faults called to USA players during the whole game (and in fact during the whole Olympic games).

That is the only issue that non American basketball fans will have about the USA team. USA players committed traveling fault (under FIBA rules) on 75% of their possessions, and it was called like 2 times per game only.

Unlike in the NBA, under FIBA rules, you need to put the ball on the floor before your first step, in the NBA you can step twice and then put the ball on the floor, giving a good advantage to the ball carrier to get the initial acceleration maxed. The referees were told to ignore that fault in USA players as they are not used to it but... if we play under FIBA rules, those rules should apply to both teams. Every team facing USA this Olympic games has gone nuts with the referees for not calling traveling.

Haha... I mean, you've seen LeBron or Dwyane Wade play before, right? 90% of fans watching NBA games complain about this too (btw... it's traveling in the NBA too, just like palming is supposed to be.) At least in FIBA they still abstain from giving ridiculous continuation calls as of now.

Groundhog 08-24-2008 06:33 AM


stevew 08-24-2008 07:50 AM

Icy-I think Rubio is too young to get drafted in 2009 to the NBA. He will, however, most likely be a top 3 pick in 2010. And if he continues to play this well, I wouldn't be suprised if he was the first pick.

MIJB#19 08-24-2008 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1814762)

traveling? ;)

GoldenEagle 08-24-2008 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 1814746)
This is the basketball game i wanted to see from my country after playing lazy and being embarrassed by USA in the group stage game. We are the last world champions and we needed to prove why.

Too bad Calderon, NBA player and our best PG could not play today after an injury. He could have been great help today, but our 18 years old PG Ricky Rubio stepped up and had a good game as starting PG today. Watch out for him in the next draft, he is predicted to be in the top 10.

The end of game was great, with Spain 4 points under USA in the last 2 minutes. Then that last minute was just garbage, specially after the two consecutive technical faults called to the Spanish bench and PG for arguing with the referees about the lack of traveling faults called to USA players during the whole game (and in fact during the whole Olympic games).

That is the only issue that non American basketball fans will have about the USA team. USA players committed traveling fault (under FIBA rules) on 75% of their possessions, and it was called like 2 times per game only.

Unlike in the NBA, under FIBA rules, you need to put the ball on the floor before your first step step, in the NBA you can step twice and then put the ball on the floor, giving a good advantage to the ball carrier to get the initial acceleration maxed. The referees were told to ignore that fault in USA players as they are not used to it but... if we play under FIBA rules, those rules should apply to both teams. Every team facing USA this Olympic games has gone nuts with the referees for not calling traveling.

Anyway that is not an excuse, the USA team is the best in the world, no discussion allowed, but i'm glad we Spanish showed today that the gap is closing really fast, in fact we are exporting more and more players to the NBA. Watch out also for Rudy Fernandez in Portland this season, you saw today what he can do.


I knew Icy would come on here with sort of complaining. I was going to post the crybaby image, but decided against it.

Do you have a link from FIBA documenting that they would not call traveling against the USA?

I will tell you one thing, the Spain players are the biggest bunch of cry babies I have ever seen. They whined about every call that did not go there way. The US players carried themselves with class and respected the referee. I don't think it was a well officiated match but at least we did not whine over every single call.

sterlingice 08-24-2008 09:19 AM

To be fair, no one whines too much about the refs when they're winning

SI

Icy 08-24-2008 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1814788)
I knew Icy would come on here with sort of complaining. I was going to post the crybaby image, but decided against it.


Uhh? did i ever complain about anything in the past to make you KNEW i was going to do it now?? Have i ever been a crybaby about anything in the past in this forum?? I think this is the first time i talk about referees in any sport in my whole "history" in FOFC, so i guess you confused me with somebody else.

Why did you come such defensive to this thread? maybe because you KNEW that I could be right as you watched the game too?

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1814788)
Do you have a link from FIBA documenting that they would not call traveling against the USA?


No, i just saw they never called it when they did it in ever counterattack or every time they attacked the basket in every game in the Olympic games, and that is why every team that faced them also talked about it, and that is why the whole arena was "boo-ing" today at the officials. I have no doubt that the USA team can humiliate any world team playing with NBA rules, but it doesn't matter if you like it or not, Olympic games play under FIBA rules, and what the USA players do again and again, is traveling and should be called.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1814788)
I will tell you one thing, the Spain players are the biggest bunch of cry babies I have ever seen. They whined about every call that did not go there way. The US players carried themselves with class and respected the referee. I don't think it was a well officiated match but at least we did not whine over every single call.


Why would you whine a referee that is favoring you? You admitted it was a bad officiated match, and you are right, but most of the mistakes went to the same side.

Anyway USA was the best team in the Olympics as i said, and they didn't win because the officiating, i never said that, but it was sad to see them receiving that kind of help from the referees when they don't need it to win anyway.

Icy 08-24-2008 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1814762)


Great play by Rudy showing that he can play in the NBA :) he also scored 22 points today. I'm really looking forward to see what he can do in Portland.

Icy 08-24-2008 09:35 AM

Double dola, a sad end of this is that Pau Gasol has said good bye to the national team after this game (unofficially) , as he wants to focus on winning a ring with LA in the 2 or 3 years remaining in his career.

JPhillips 08-24-2008 10:43 AM

He's 28 and he only has two or three years left in his career?

Sublime 2 08-24-2008 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPhillips (Post 1814830)
He's 28 and he only has two or three years left in his career?


I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that was funky.

GoldenEagle 08-24-2008 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 1814799)
Uhh? did i ever complain about anything in the past to make you KNEW i was going to do it now?? Have i ever been a crybaby about anything in the past in this forum?? I think this is the first time i talk about referees in any sport in my whole "history" in FOFC, so i guess you confused me with somebody else.


You are the only Spaniard on the board that i know of. I am not getting you confused with anyone else.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 1814799)
No, i just saw they never called it when they did it in ever counterattack or every time they attacked the basket in every game in the Olympic games, and that is why every team that faced them also talked about it, and that is why the whole arena was "boo-ing" today at the officials. I have no doubt that the USA team can humiliate any world team playing with NBA rules, but it doesn't matter if you like it or not, Olympic games play under FIBA rules, and what the USA players do again and again, is traveling and should be called.


You stated that the referees were told to ignore the "75%" of the time the US traveled. Yet you have no proof of this. Did I have any issue with the game being played under FIBA rules?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 1814799)
Why would you whine a referee that is favoring you? You admitted it was a bad officiated match, and you are right, but most of the mistakes went to the same side.


I thought the bad calls were about even. Every single touch was called on both teams in the first half, and that probably kept Spain in the game because Kobe and Lebron had to sit down. They also could not play aggressive D when they were in the game. How about when Marc Gasol threw his defender to the ground which allowed Pau to make an easy shot?

The game changed when Coach K but Derron Williams into guard Rubio in the 4th quarter. Jason Kidd and Chris Paul were getting beat by him constantly. Williams was able to keep with him and deny the easy pass. Rubio will be a future NBA All-Star if he keeps developing at his current pace.

JonInMiddleGA 08-24-2008 11:21 AM

A tiny bit of order is restored to the universe.

MrBug708 08-24-2008 12:19 PM

Anyone else find it funny that GE is complaining about the refs? :)

Noop 08-24-2008 12:27 PM

Spain's team is a bunch of crybabies. I am surprised a fight did not break out from all the dirty plays they were doing especially when Marc Gasol punch Bosh in the mouth for the no call by the refs. That being said Spain played the best game of their lives as shot after shot went in for them. The US once it gained the lead were pretty much in control the rest of the way and I never felt that they would lose. Great game by both teams.

So why couldn't Gasol play like that in the finals where he played soft?

Chief Rum 08-24-2008 12:47 PM

Generally, I have no gripe with Icy and hear what he's saying. But he made a comment about Spain needing the FIBA rules to compete. IMO, if you need the rules to make you competitive, maybe yoiu're not quite as good as you think. The traveling thing was a travesty, but it is a travesty in the NBA as well. And no one's going to tell me that drive by Rudy shown above isn't travelling, too. I would guess opponents of the USA received the same leeway. And Spanish players certainly don't come over to the NBA playing as if they are respecting the travel rule when others aren't. They look just like any other NBA player to me.

Spain is a heck of a team, though. They deserve a lot of respect for staying with Team USA. USA, though, deserves every bit of its own respect coming, because outside of the travel thing, it seems to me they did play completely by FIBA rules, and they didn't just win, they dominated.

GoldenEagle 08-24-2008 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1814866)
So why couldn't Gasol play like that in the finals where he played soft?


That is Gasol's rep. He plays hard for Spain but soft in the NBA. Maybe he is retiring from Spain so that he can concentrate and play hard in the NBA without running the risk of getting injured. I hope Marc Gasol plays harder than Pau in Memphis. Marc seems to be tougher, play with a chip on his shoulder type player. The Grizz will sure need the inside presence.

molson 08-24-2008 01:08 PM

950th post in an Olympics thread. What happened here? In '04, there were 8 scattered Olympics threads, none had more than 20 posts or so (unless I missed something).

Doesn't it seem like they were a way huger deal than normal this year? I don't think it's just Phelps. I actually think DVR played a big part. I was watching all time, fast forwarding to the stuff I wanted to see, pretty much whenever I had down time.

Vegas Vic 08-24-2008 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 1814879)
950th post in an Olympics thread. What happened here? In '04, there were 8 scattered Olympics threads, none had more than 20 posts or so (unless I missed something).

Doesn't it seem like they were a way huger deal than normal this year? I don't think it's just Phelps.


I think the fact that the host nation spent $40 billion also had something to do with it.

VPI97 08-24-2008 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 1814879)
950th post in an Olympics thread. What happened here? In '04, there were 8 scattered Olympics threads, none had more than 20 posts or so (unless I missed something).

Doesn't it seem like they were a way huger deal than normal this year? I don't think it's just Phelps. I actually think DVR played a big part. I was watching all time, fast forwarding to the stuff I wanted to see, pretty much whenever I had down time.

I came for the Phelps and stayed for the rhythmic gymnastics.

DaddyTorgo 08-24-2008 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VPI97 (Post 1814886)
I came for the Phelps and stayed for the rhythmic gymnastics.


honestly - rhythmic gymnastics isn't a horrible waste of time - it's kind of impressive how they fling the objects around and catch them with their feet and stuff.

MIJB#19 08-24-2008 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icy (Post 1814799)
Uhh? did i ever complain about anything in the past to make you KNEW i was going to do it now?? Have i ever been a crybaby about anything in the past in this forum?? I think this is the first time i talk about referees in any sport in my whole "history" in FOFC, so i guess you confused me with somebody else.

Relax, my friend. You have to understand that you're replying to someone who has a track record of insulting people from Europe purely because they're from Europe. It's a waste of time to try and discuss with that kind of people.

And yes, you did come around as being a bit sour after a loss, the dutch commentary kept telling how he felt the Americans were the ones getting the tougher calls against them. Now, I'm not a basketball expert by any means, so I'm not going to claim who's right and who isn't, but we all know that feeling of disappointment after our team just lost a close game to a stronger opponent. ;)

Neon_Chaos 08-24-2008 03:30 PM

That was a great game.

Regarding the officiating, the referees were all swallowing their whistles. It was probably the most physical basketball game of the entire olympics, what with everyone flying all over the court and only the tippy-tappy fouls being called. They let the players decide the game between themselves, and if it were not for team USA's cohesiveness, they might as well have collapsed and gone one-on-one against the exceedingly physical Spain zone. Instead, Kobe and the gang moved the ball and made the extra pass, getting those valuable hoops from Deron Williams and Dwight Howard in the final minutes. That four-pt play from Kobe and the three from Wade pretty much sealed the deal.

It's great to be able to see the other international stars compete pre-NBA. There are going to be a lot of expectations from Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez, and Ricky Rubio now.

Young Drachma 08-24-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by molson (Post 1814879)
950th post in an Olympics thread. What happened here? In '04, there were 8 scattered Olympics threads, none had more than 20 posts or so (unless I missed something).

Doesn't it seem like they were a way huger deal than normal this year? I don't think it's just Phelps. I actually think DVR played a big part. I was watching all time, fast forwarding to the stuff I wanted to see, pretty much whenever I had down time.


I think Phelps, plus the fact that people can DVR AND all of the online coverage, makes these far more conducive to conversation.

Icy 08-24-2008 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIJB#19 (Post 1814908)
Relax, my friend. You have to understand that you're replying to someone who has a track record of insulting people from Europe purely because they're from Europe. It's a waste of time to try and discuss with that kind of people.

And yes, you did come around as being a bit sour after a loss, the dutch commentary kept telling how he felt the Americans were the ones getting the tougher calls against them. Now, I'm not a basketball expert by any means, so I'm not going to claim who's right and who isn't, but we all know that feeling of disappointment after our team just lost a close game to a stronger opponent. ;)


Yeah it was his direct attack what surprised me, as i don't recall to have ever talked with him about anything, even less about referees or basketball. Seems he was just waiting for an Spanish to post about the game. Good to know he is this way with more people, next time i won't even lose my time arguing.

About the referees, i guess everybody has an opinion and being the team that lost, everything we say sounds like crying and could be true, i admit it, i was pissed as i think we almost pulled the miracle vs a superior team. It was nice to feel we could beat them and to show that the past game losing by over 30, was not a real reflect of both teams level.

Radii 08-24-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19 (Post 1814908)
Relax, my friend. You have to understand that you're replying to someone who has a track record of insulting people from Europe purely because they're from Europe.


You should check out the NCAA Tournament threads around here. I assure you those insults are not strictly reserved for the Europeans on the board. ;)

Radii 08-24-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 1814879)
950th post in an Olympics thread. What happened here? In '04, there were 8 scattered Olympics threads, none had more than 20 posts or so (unless I missed something).


I'm glad you and others pointed out that NBC's coverage has improved over the last couple Olympics,that is probably the main reason i gave it a shot at all this year. I still only watched maybe 5-7 hours total, but I did make time to watch some stuff which I haven't done at all the last 8 years, and I thoroughly enjoyed what I did watch.

Alan T 08-24-2008 06:02 PM

For me it was the ability to watch stuff online that helped get me more into the olympics this year. If Athens or Sydney had this possible, I just wasn't aware. After watching a few days of stuff online, I got more hooked and ended up watching virtually every day on tv after that.

Groundhog 08-24-2008 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1814866)
Spain's team is a bunch of crybabies. I am surprised a fight did not break out from all the dirty plays they were doing especially when Marc Gasol punch Bosh in the mouth for the no call by the refs.


:rolleyes:

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the entire Olympics acted like more of a bitch than Dwight Howard. I used to really like Dwight, but that's dropped off a bit now. It pains me as a Cavs fan, but LeBron wasn't much better. LeBron and Dwight Howard would be first teamers on the All-Scowl team.

Having said that, the rest of Team USA were great - Kobe and Wade in particular.

Groundhog 08-24-2008 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T (Post 1814933)
For me it was the ability to watch stuff online that helped get me more into the olympics this year. If Athens or Sydney had this possible, I just wasn't aware. After watching a few days of stuff online, I got more hooked and ended up watching virtually every day on tv after that.


Our coverage of the games was abysmal over here in Australia... Unless you like swimming heats!!! We had a commercial station as the major broadcaster, and we often only saw snippets of events (if we saw them at all), and during the basketball (and many other events) they'd just cut to a break as the action was still going. Yesterday during the 4th Q of the basketball final they cut to the half hour NEWS with 8 minutes left in the 4th Q and Spain closing in.

To make matters worse, most of the US/English streaming sites blocked foreign addresses, so that wasn't an option either. Thankfully I found a few Euro channels that streamed games. Watching Spain-Greece with Spanish commentators was arguably the highlight of the games for me :) (TRIPLEY TRIPLEY TRIPLEY TRIPLEY!!!!!)

lighthousekeeper 08-24-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1814888)
honestly - rhythmic gymnastics isn't a horrible waste of time - it's kind of impressive how they fling the objects around and catch them with their feet and stuff.


alright - turn in your Man Card right now@!

DaddyTorgo 08-24-2008 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper (Post 1814969)
alright - turn in your Man Card right now@!


not sure I ever had one to begin with :confused:

RainMaker 08-24-2008 07:41 PM

I think it was bigger this year because NBC loosened up their grip. The online coverage was great and they actually had a ton of TV coverage too. If I remember correctly, Athens didn't have nearly the same coverage.

I still wish NBC would loosen up a bit more on allowing other networks to run highlights and stuff.

miami_fan 08-24-2008 08:03 PM

The basketball tournement on a whole was much more physical than in years past IMO.

Groundhog 08-24-2008 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 1815000)
The basketball tournement on a whole was much more physical than in years past IMO.


Definately. I think the rest of the world are starting to value power players in the post now, as opposed to purely finesse bigs - strangely enough, it's just as the US is moving away from that.

Crapshoot 08-24-2008 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MIJB#19 (Post 1814908)
Relax, my friend. You have to understand that you're replying to someone who has a track record of insulting people from Europe purely because they're from Europe. It's a waste of time to try and discuss with that kind of people.

And yes, you did come around as being a bit sour after a loss, the dutch commentary kept telling how he felt the Americans were the ones getting the tougher calls against them. Now, I'm not a basketball expert by any means, so I'm not going to claim who's right and who isn't, but we all know that feeling of disappointment after our team just lost a close game to a stronger opponent. ;)


"".GE insisting the the US football team is one of the world's best, or suggesting MLS teams were at the levels of a lower-level EPL team etc etc - this shouldn't come as a surprise. :D

Senator 08-24-2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by molson (Post 1814879)
950th post in an Olympics thread. What happened here? In '04, there were 8 scattered Olympics threads, none had more than 20 posts or so (unless I missed something).

Doesn't it seem like they were a way huger deal than normal this year? I don't think it's just Phelps. I actually think DVR played a big part. I was watching all time, fast forwarding to the stuff I wanted to see, pretty much whenever I had down time.


In '04 this was still a FOF forum. Now we have a large portion here that just want to interact with people, which isn't a bad thing. I mean, just pick a tv show. Look how many people came to this forum to talk about Lost. This site is more a community on just about any subject available. There is also a large segment of our population that will talk about what is "it" at the moment as if they have spent their whole life waiting for it.

Chief Rum 08-24-2008 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator (Post 1815016)
In '04 this was still a FOF forum. Now we have a large portion here that just want to interact with people, which isn't a bad thing. I mean, just pick a tv show. Look how many people came to this forum to talk about Lost. This site is more a community on just about any subject available. There is also a large segment of our population that will talk about what is "it" at the moment as if they have spent their whole life waiting for it.


I agree that this community is now as you describe. I disagree that it wasn't that way in '04.

QuikSand 08-24-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas Vic (Post 1814884)
I think the fact that the host nation spent $40 billion also had something to do with it.


Really? I may not be the representative voice on this, I guess. but what does that have to do with the watchability or interest level?

I mean -- I guess China invested more in arenas and so forth, and I suppose that makes some difference for things like the opening or closing ceremonies (that I don't watch anyhow) but I can't see any of that making a difference in whether I watch a given event.

I did watch a good bit more of these Olympics than the last two, though. Maybe I did fall prey to some sinister sinoplot that I didn't even realize. *shurg*

Noop 08-24-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1814944)
:rolleyes:

Honestly, I don't think anyone in the entire Olympics acted like more of a bitch than Dwight Howard. I used to really like Dwight, but that's dropped off a bit now. It pains me as a Cavs fan, but LeBron wasn't much better. LeBron and Dwight Howard would be first teamers on the All-Scowl team.

Having said that, the rest of Team USA were great - Kobe and Wade in particular.


I am pretty sure Dwight while on the bench does not argue with the refs and throws towels and look totally unprofessional.

GoldenEagle 08-24-2008 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crapshoot (Post 1815012)
"".GE insisting the the US football team is one of the world's best, or suggesting MLS teams were at the levels of a lower-level EPL team etc etc - this shouldn't come as a surprise. :D


Can you honestly tell me that the Houston Dynamo or New England Revolution would not beat Hull, Stoke City, or WBA?

DaddyTorgo 08-24-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle (Post 1815025)
Can you honestly tell me that the Houston Dynamo or New England Revolution would not beat Hull, Stoke City, or WBA?


I don't think it's a given that they would. Would they likely, yes. But they also could quite possibly not.

RendeR 08-24-2008 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper (Post 1814969)
alright - turn in your Man Card right now@!


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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo (Post 1814970)
not sure I ever had one to begin with :confused:




I can vouch for this, he never had one to begin with.



Sup DT ;)

DaddyTorgo 08-24-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR (Post 1815039)
I can vouch for this, he never had one to begin with.



Sup DT ;)


Not too much - hangin round. Taking vacation this coming week, so that's definitely nice - should be around.

RainMaker 08-24-2008 09:49 PM

So is the IOC going to do anything about the underage girls on the Chinese team or just close their eyes like they did with the human rights stuff?

Buccaneer 08-24-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker (Post 1815093)
So is the IOC going to do anything about the underage girls on the Chinese team or just close their eyes like they did with the human rights stuff?


The IOC's heinies are still too sore for them to do anything.

Subby 08-25-2008 12:13 AM

Best Olympics ever. From the opening ceremonies to the five HD Olympics channels available on FIOS, to Phelps, to Bolt, to my DVR, to Internet feeds, to Nastia Liukin, to Misty and Kerry - just an incredible two week smorgasbord of complete freaking awesomeness.

Groundhog 08-25-2008 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop (Post 1815022)
I am pretty sure Dwight while on the bench does not argue with the refs and throws towels and look totally unprofessional.


Really don't know, don't see much footage of the benches outside of incidental stuff during the games. I'm more interested in how much of a punk he looked like on the court - like palming Pau in the face as they ran up court, for one, or pushing and scowling at some chump from Angola, who was just going for a loose ball under the basket.

For the vast majority of players on Team USA, they had none of the arrogance and ... well... poor attitude that has earnt them so much scorn in the past from the other players and spectators. It was only Dwight and, to a lesser extent, LeBron who had that air about them from what I saw.

The same can not be said for the USA women (yes, I'm looking at you Lisa "three gold" Leslie :rolleyes: ).

stevew 08-25-2008 01:37 AM

Thankfully I can now go back to not rooting for Kobe, Wade, Bosh, Kidd and several other d-bags on team USA.

Im really glad Kobe decided to play though, as I doubt they win without him.

stevew 08-25-2008 01:48 AM

dola-

The international 3 point line is a friggin joke. That one really needs to move back to NBA range.

Groundhog 08-25-2008 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1815148)
Thankfully I can now go back to not rooting for Kobe, Wade, Bosh, Kidd and several other d-bags on team USA.

Im really glad Kobe decided to play though, as I doubt they win without him.


I hear that. ;)

I had a lot more fun watching Kobe and DWade play D than I did watching the endless highlight reel of amazing dunks and acrobatic layups Team USA ran off each game.

miami_fan 08-25-2008 06:20 AM

Call it blinded nationalism all you want. I had a lot of fun and pride watching this version of Team USA play. To me, I can defintely say we weren't the world leaders in the arrogance dept. this time around. In fact, on more than a few occassions, I think Team USA were "punked" and I was pleasantly surprised with their non-reaction.

clemsonfan 08-25-2008 06:30 AM

I'm sad the Olympics are over.

miked 08-25-2008 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog (Post 1815145)

For the vast majority of players on Team USA, they had none of the arrogance and ... well... poor attitude that has earnt them so much scorn in the past from the other players and spectators. It was only Dwight and, to a lesser extent, LeBron who had that air about them from what I saw.


I probably could've done without the taunting by Kobe and Wade in the final minutes. Act like professionals, though I guess in the NBA that sort of thing is par for the course.

Groundhog 08-25-2008 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 1815174)
I probably could've done without the taunting by Kobe and Wade in the final minutes. Act like professionals, though I guess in the NBA that sort of thing is par for the course.


Ah, see, we missed the last 8 minutes thanks to our outstanding coverage, so I didn't get to see that. :(

miami_fan 08-25-2008 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 1815174)
I probably could've done without the taunting by Kobe and Wade in the final minutes. Act like professionals, though I guess in the NBA that sort of thing is par for the course.


I am assuming you meant the finger to the mouth after Kobe's four point play and the same after Wade's three with about 2 minutes left, playing to the Spanish who were as intense as always. Of course, no mention of similar acts by the Spanish team throughout the game. Those actions were okay because they aren't supposed to act like "professionals".

Mizzou B-ball fan 08-25-2008 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan (Post 1815197)
I am assuming you meant the finger to the mouth after Kobe's four point play and the same after Wade's three with about 2 minutes left, playing to the Spanish who were as intense as always. Of course, no mention of similar acts by the Spanish team throughout the game. Those actions were okay because they aren't supposed to act like "professionals".


The US actions in that game were tame compared to the Spanish. Their bench was warned on several occasions for complaining and they twice threw towels onto the court of play DURING the game.

Even more amusing was when the Spanish were complaining about two of their players getting in foul trouble in the first quarter when Kobe and LeBron were already on the bench in the first quarter with 2 fouls each. They were evidently oblivious to the fact that the refs were making ridiculously lousy calls on both ends.

miami_fan 08-25-2008 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1815198)
The US actions in that game were tame compared to the Spanish. Their bench was warned on several occasions for complaining and they twice threw towels onto the court of play DURING the game.

Even more amusing was when the Spanish were complaining about two of their players getting in foul trouble in the first quarter when Kobe and LeBron were already on the bench in the first quarter with 2 fouls each. They were evidently oblivious to the fact that the refs were making ridiculously lousy calls on both ends.


Honestly, I don't even mean it as a criticism of the Spanish team. I just get tired of the double standards that is all.

MJ4H 08-25-2008 08:14 AM

I would guess (and it is only a guess) that it was more a result of paying more attention to your own team rather than an actual double standard. I noticed the USA tauntung much more than anything Spain did because I was paying more attention to them. Might not be the case here, though, just a possible alternate explanation.

miked 08-25-2008 08:20 AM

I was going to mention the Italy-like flopping of the Spanish players, but I figured that was to be expected as the US were clearly more physical. But seriously, act like you've been there before.

Mizzou B-ball fan 08-25-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 1815204)
I was going to mention the Italy-like flopping of the Spanish players, but I figured that was to be expected as the US were clearly more physical. But seriously, act like you've been there before.


Call it the 'soccerization' of European basketball. There were several times during the tournament that I saw a European player go down like someone had just shot them. I actually saw one player grab their knee and start rolling around in pain, only to stand up seconds later and inbound the ball without any noticable limp.

I agree with MJ4H's assessment that it was mainly noticed because people were paying more attentiont to the US players. I'm not a huge fan of the NBA at all, but I thought the US players were pretty well behaved in comparison to the antics of some of their opponents.

Mizzou B-ball fan 08-25-2008 08:26 AM

OK, I admit it. I'm a sucker for these kinds of stories. Chance of a lifetime for these two runners.......

Somalia's runners provide inspiration - Olympics - Yahoo! Sports

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Somalia’s runners provide inspiration
By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
Aug 24, 12:53 pm EDT

AP - Aug 18, 11:14 pm EDT

BEIJING – Samia Yusuf Omar headed back to Somalia Sunday, returning to the small two-room house in Mogadishu shared by seven family members. Her mother lives there, selling fruits and vegetables. Her father is buried there, the victim of a wayward artillery shell that hit their home and also killed Samia’s aunt and uncle.

This is the Olympic story we never heard.

It’s about a girl whose Beijing moment lasted a mere 32 seconds – the slowest 200-meter dash time out of the 46 women who competed in the event. Thirty-two seconds that almost nobody saw but that she carries home with her, swelled with joy and wonderment. Back to a decades-long civil war that has flattened much of her city. Back to an Olympic program with few Olympians and no facilities. Back to meals of flat bread, wheat porridge and tap water.

“I have my pride,” she said through a translator before leaving China. “This is the highest thing any athlete can hope for. It has been a very happy experience for me. I am proud to bring the Somali flag to fly with all of these countries, and to stand with the best athletes in the world.”

There are many life stories that collide in each Olympics – many intriguing tales of glory and tragedy. Beijing delivered the electricity of Usain Bolt and the determination of Michael Phelps. It left hearts heavy with the disappointment of Liu Xiang and the heartache of Hugh McCutcheon.

But it also gave us Samia Yusuf Omar – one small girl from one chaotic country – and a story that might have gone unnoticed if it hadn’t been for a roaring half-empty stadium.


***

It was Aug. 19, and the tiny girl had crossed over seven lanes to find her starting block in her 200-meter heat. She walked past Jamaica’s Veronica Campbell-Brown – the eventual gold medalist in the event. Samia had read about Campbell-Brown in track and field magazines and once watched her in wonderment on television. As a cameraman panned down the starting blocks, it settled on lane No. 2, on a 17-year old girl with the frame of a Kenyan distance runner. Samia’s biography in the Olympic media system contained almost no information, other than her 5-foot-4, 119-pound frame. There was no mention of her personal best times and nothing on previous track meets. Somalia, it was later explained, has a hard time organizing the records of its athletes.

She looked so odd and out of place among her competitors, with her white headband and a baggy, untucked T-shirt. The legs on her wiry frame were thin and spindly, and her arms poked out of her sleeves like the twigs of a sapling. She tugged at the bottom of her shirt and shot an occasional nervous glance at the other runners in her heat. Each had muscles bulging from beneath their skin-tight track suits. Many outweighed Samia by nearly 40 pounds.

After introductions, she knelt into her starting block.

***

The country of Somalia sent two athletes to the Beijing Games – Samia and distance runner Abdi Said Ibrahim, who competed in the men’s 5,000-meter event. Like Samia, Abdi finished last in his event, overmatched by competitors who were groomed for their Olympic moment. Somalia has only loose-knit programs supporting its Olympians, few coaches, and few facilities. With a civil war tearing the city apart since the Somali government’s collapse in 1991, Mogadishu Stadium has become one of the bloodiest pieces of real estate in the city – housing U.N. forces in the early 1990s and now a military compound for insurgents.

That has left the country’s track athletes to train in Coni Stadium, an artillery-pocked structure built in 1958 which has no track, endless divots, and has been overtaken by weeds and plants.

“Sports are not a priority for Somalia,” said Duran Farah, vice president of the Somali Olympic Committee. “There is no money for facilities or training. The war, the security, the difficulties with food and everything – there are just many other internal difficulties to deal with.”

That leaves athletes such as Samia and 18-year old Abdi without the normal comforts and structure enjoyed by almost every other athlete in the Olympic Games. They don’t receive consistent coaching, don’t compete in meets on a regular basis and struggle to find safety in something as simple as going out for a daily run.

When Samia cannot make it to the stadium, she runs in the streets, where she runs into roadblocks of burning tires and refuse set out by insurgents. She is often bullied and threatened by militia or locals who believe that Muslim women should not take part in sports. In hopes of lessening the abuse, she runs in the oppressive heat wearing long sleeves, sweat pants and a head scarf. Even then, she is told her place should be in the home – not participating in sports.

“For some men, nothing is good enough,” Farah said.

Even Abdi faces constant difficulties, passing through military checkpoints where he is shaken down for money. And when he has competed in sanctioned track events, gun-toting insurgents have threatened his life for what they viewed as compliance with the interim government.

“Once, the insurgents were very unhappy,” he said. “When we went back home, my friends and I were rounded up and we were told if we did it again, we would get killed. Some of my friends stopped being in sports. I had many phone calls threatening me, that if I didn’t stop running, I would get killed. Lately, I do not have these problems. I think probably they realized we just wanted to be athletes and were not involved with the government.”

But the interim government has not been able to offer support, instead spending its cash and energy arming Ethiopian allies for the fight against insurgents. Other than organizing a meet to compete for Olympic selection – in which the Somali Olympic federation chose whom it believed to be its two best performers – there has been little lavished on athletes. While other countries pour millions into the training and perfecting of their Olympic stars, Somalia offers little guidance and no doctors, not even a stipend for food.

“The food is not something that is measured and given to us every day,” Samia said. “We eat whatever we can get.”

On the best days, that means getting protein from a small portion of fish, camel or goat meat, and carbohydrates from bananas or citrus fruits growing in local trees. On the worst days – and there are long stretches of those – it means surviving on water and Angera, a flat bread made from a mixture of wheat and barley.

“There is no grocery store,” Abdi said. “We can’t go shopping for whatever we want.”

He laughs at this thought, with a smile that is missing a front tooth.


***

When the gun went off in Samia’s 200-meter heat, seven women blasted from their starting blocks, registering as little as 16 one-hundredths of a second of reaction time. Samia’s start was slow enough that the computer didn’t read it, leaving her reaction time blank on the heat’s statistical printout.

Within seconds, seven competitors were thundering around the curve in Beijing’s Bird’s Nest, struggling to separate themselves from one another. Samia was just entering the curve when her opponents were nearing the finish line. A local television feed had lost her entirely by the time Veronica Campbell-Brown crossed the finish line in a trotting 23.04 seconds.

As the athletes came to a halt and knelt, stretching and sucking deep breaths, a camera moved to ground level. In the background of the picture, a white dot wearing a headband could be seen coming down the stretch.

***

Until this month, Samia had been to two countries outside of her own – Djibouti and Ethiopia. Asked how she will describe Beijing, her eyes get big and she snickers from under a blue and white Olympic baseball cap.

“The stadiums, I never thought something like this existed in the world,” she said. “The buildings in the city, it was all very surprising. It will probably take days to finish all the stories we have to tell.”

Asked about Beijing’s otherworldly Water Cube, she lets out a sigh: “Ahhhhhhh.”

Before she can answer, Abdi cuts her off.

“I didn’t know what it was when I saw it,” he said. “Is it plastic? Is it magic?”

Few buildings are beyond two or three stories tall in Mogadishu, and those still standing are mostly in tatters. Only pictures will be able to describe some of Beijing’s structures, from the ancient architecture of the Forbidden City to the modernity of the Water Cube and the Bird’s Nest.

“The Olympic fire in the stadium, everywhere I am, it is always up there,” Samia said. “It’s like the moon. I look up wherever I go, it is there.”

These are the stories they will relish when they return to Somalia, which they believe has, for one brief moment, united the country’s warring tribes. Farah said he had received calls from countrymen all over the world, asking how their two athletes were doing and what they had experienced in China. On the morning of Samia’s race, it was just after 5 a.m., and locals from her neighborhood were scrambling to find a television with a broadcast.

“People stayed awake to see it,” Farah said. “The good thing, sports is the one thing which unites all of Somalia.”

That is one of the common threads they share with every athlete at the Games. Just being an Olympian and carrying the country’s flag brings an immense sense of pride to families and neighborhoods which typically know only despair.

A pride that Samia will share with her mother, three brothers and three sisters. A pride that Abdi will carry home to his father, two brothers and two sisters. Like Samia’s father two years ago, Abdi’s mother was killed in the civil war, by a mortar shell that hit the family’s home in 1993.

“We are very proud,” Samia said. “Because of us, the Somali flag is raised among all the other nations’ flags. You can’t imagine how proud we were when we were marching in the Opening Ceremonies with the flag.

“Despite the difficulties and everything we’ve had with our country, we feel great pride in our accomplishment.”

***

As Samia came down the stretch in her 200-meter heat, she realized that the Somalian Olympic federation had chosen to place her in the wrong event. The 200 wasn’t nearly the best event for a middle distance runner. But the federation believed the dash would serve as a “good experience” for her. Now she was coming down the stretch alone, pumping her arms and tilting her head to the side with a look of despair.

Suddenly, the half-empty stadium realized there was still a runner on the track, still pushing to get across the finish line almost eight seconds behind the seven women who had already completed the race. In the last 50 meters, much of the stadium rose to its feet, flooding the track below with cheers of encouragement. A few competitors who had left Samia behind turned and watched it unfold.

As Samia crossed the line in 32.16 seconds, the crowd roared in applause. Bahamian runner Sheniqua Ferguson, the next smallest woman on the track at 5-foot-7 and 130 pounds, looked at the girl crossing the finish and thought to herself, “Wow, she’s tiny.”

“She must love running,” Ferguson said later.

***

Several days later, Samia waved off her Olympic moment as being inspirational. While she was still filled with joy over her chance to compete, and though she knew she had done all she could, part of her seemed embarrassed that the crowd had risen to its feet to help push her across the finish line.

“I was happy the people were cheering and encouraging me,” she said. “But I would have liked to be cheered because I won, not because I needed encouragement. It is something I will work on. I will try my best not to be the last person next time. It was very nice for people to give me that encouragement, but I would prefer the winning cheer.

She shrugged and smiled.

“I knew it was an uphill task.”

And there it was. While the Olympics are often promoted for the fastest and strongest and most agile champions, there is something to be said for the ones who finish out of the limelight. The ones who finish last and leave with their pride.

At their best, the Olympics still signify competition and purity, a love for sport. What represents that better than two athletes who carry their country’s flag into the Games despite their country’s inability to carry them before that moment? What better way to find the best of the Olympic spirit than by looking at those who endure so much that would break it?

“We know that we are different from the other athletes,” Samia said. “But we don’t want to show it. We try our best to look like all the rest. We understand we are not anywhere near the level of the other competitors here. We understand that very, very well. But more than anything else, we would like to show the dignity of ourselves and our country.”

She smiles when she says this, sitting a stone’s throw from a Somalian flag that she and her countryman Abdi brought to these Games. They came and went from Beijing largely unnoticed, but may have been the most dignified example these Olympics could offer.

miami_fan 08-25-2008 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 1815204)
I was going to mention the Italy-like flopping of the Spanish players, but I figured that was to be expected as the US were clearly more physical. But seriously, act like you've been there before.


I go back to what JIMGA said about the gymnastics team.

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA (Post 1807419)
Probably worth noting at this point that none of the members of the U.S. men's gymnastics team had ever been there before.


stevew 08-25-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1815208)
Call it the 'soccerization' of European basketball. There were several times during the tournament that I saw a European player go down like someone had just shot them. I actually saw one player grab their knee and start rolling around in pain, only to stand up seconds later and inbound the ball without any noticable limp.

I agree with MJ4H's assessment that it was mainly noticed because people were paying more attentiont to the US players. I'm not a huge fan of the NBA at all, but I thought the US players were pretty well behaved in comparison to the antics of some of their opponents.


Yeah, team argentina was especially made up of guys that dive like footballers. Manu is the worst flopper in the NBA, outside of maybe Varejao. I like Andy though and he plays for my fave team, but he's a diver.
Especially in 5 foul basketball, which is just an insanely small amount of fouls for how physical the game can get.

RPI-Fan 08-25-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1815492)
Yeah, team argentina was especially made up of guys that dive like footballers. Manu is the worst flopper in the NBA, outside of maybe Varejao. I like Andy though and he plays for my fave team, but he's a diver.
Especially in 5 foul basketball, which is just an insanely small amount of fouls for how physical the game can get.


It's the same as the NBA.

6 fouls / 48 minutes = 1 foul per 8 minutes
5 fouls / 40 minutes = 1 foul per 8 minutes

Groundhog 08-25-2008 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew (Post 1815492)
Yeah, team argentina was especially made up of guys that dive like footballers. Manu is the worst flopper in the NBA, outside of maybe Varejao. I like Andy though and he plays for my fave team, but he's a diver.


You are not giving AK47 nearly enough credit. ;)

JPhillips 08-25-2008 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan (Post 1815208)
Call it the 'soccerization' of European basketball. There were several times during the tournament that I saw a European player go down like someone had just shot them. I actually saw one player grab their knee and start rolling around in pain, only to stand up seconds later and inbound the ball without any noticable limp.


Wait, Paul Pierce is European?

Anthony 08-25-2008 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by miked (Post 1815174)
I probably could've done without the taunting by Kobe and Wade in the final minutes. Act like professionals, though I guess in the NBA that sort of thing is par for the course.


the Spanish basketball team obviously got your memo to "act like professionals". what else you got?



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