Hmmm, not sure about that one. Katrina and the Waves and two other top 25 hits in the UK and US and another song that was top 50.

I disagree. As Maple Leafs said. to find a hit for both the original and the cover is not easy. I had originally seen 5 or 6 and Hurt wasn't among them. I don't think I had heard that one.

When ihear that one Ithink of Weird Al's version. :D

Wow, they had a Top 20 in '89. Never heard of it.

I'm not real concerned about their UK charting, or winning Eurovision either.

I'd be open for a ruling here.

It is what it is. The voting will be the ruling. :) (I wouldn't worry about international success either)

To me one hit wonder is an American hit.

I think its a fine pick, perfectly appropriate.

No ruling needed... you could call "Hey Jude" a one-hit wonder if you wanted to. The voters can decide what they think fits.

I think it is appropriate as well. I don't remember them charting a second song.

you might get into trouble with the guy who got the beatles though.

Nah, he's alright.

Don't worry man I hadn't heard of it until I looked it up :)

Isn't wikipedia wondeful? :)

Tis :)

Bucc is on the clock

One of the greatest true epic songs:

Epic - 2112 - Rush

It would only be a grand slam if everyone has heard of it.

That was my second epic pick.

I was surprised it hadn't gone earlier because they do "epic" songs polls, that's usually up there with Stariway or Bohemian.

I originally thought of two other songs but they belonged in the Classic category better and I have already gotten in trouble for busting categories.

Nothing wrong with putting a classic in another category. :) That's a very flexible category, unlike Love Song. :)

The only reason I took American Pie over 2112 was because I think more people will recognize it.

With pick 9.10 I am pleased to select as my crossover song Faith No More - Epic. Rapcore at its finest.

Classic - 1.10 Hotel California - The Eagles
Epic - 2.1 American Pie - Don McLean
Arena - 6.1 Arena - Rock and Roll All Night - Kiss
Trendsetter - 8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop - The Ramones
Love Song - 5.10 - My Heart Will Go On (Theme from Titanic) - Celine Dion
One-Hit Wonder - 3.10 Macarena - Los Del Rio
Party - 7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll - Bob Seger
Crossover - 9.10 - Epic - Faith No More
Cover -
Anti-Establishment - 4.1 We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister

I'm up at 10.2?

With my pick at 10.1 and final pick in the cover category and taking my second female choice. Sweet Jane - Cowboy Junkies.


Classic - 1.10 Hotel California - The Eagles
Epic - 2.1 American Pie - Don McLean
Arena - 6.1 Arena - Rock and Roll All Night - Kiss
Trendsetter - 8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop - The Ramones
Love Song - 5.10 - My Heart Will Go On (Theme from Titanic) - Celine Dion
One-Hit Wonder - 3.10 Macarena - Los Del Rio
Party - 7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll - Bob Seger
Crossover - 9.10 - Epic - Faith No More
Cover - 10.1 - Sweet Jane - Cowboy Junkies
Anti-Establishment - 4.1 We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister

you are now.

Ok, now I go. One of the best female crossovers, #1 pop and #1 country:

Crossover - Ode to Billie Joe - Bobbie Gentry (10.2)

I agree on the one-hit wonders.. there shouldn't be a "ruling", but the voters shouldn't punish Maple Leafs mercilessly...

Lee Greenwood is FAR from a one hit wonder and I'd be surprised if people don't recognize that.. imo it is the most clear category and he's just not even close.

A guy I am a fan of that just didn't make the draft.

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I actually wondered if anyone would take this in the "Epic" category.

Why me? I'm pretty sure Nena was eaten by wolves immediately after recording 99 Luftballoons.

It also could've gone in the "cover" category, which would have made me laugh.

Epic is a cover?

First we'll start with a small anecdote. I realized after my last pick that I should've thought ahead. I picked my One-Hit Wonder and stepped away from the computer. About 20 minutes later I realized the huge mistake I made. Both of the people picking (4 picks, 2 teams) before my next pick already had a One-Hit Wonder. By definition, there's no way they block me on that one. I then sweat for the next hour or so to see if I got blocked on my Cover Song. We'll now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

I hope this pleases the people that seem to be putting a lot of stock into the Cover Song. While the original version was not a hit (in the billboard sense), it is well known that the original version exists and is a fantastic song on it's own. Bob Marley wrote this fantastic song with the Wailers, but Eric Clapton perfected "I Shot the Sheriff". How I managed to snake Eric Clapton in the 10th round I'm not sure, but I thank vtbub for taking a song he did with Derek and the Dominos for his Epic. :)

Classic - 8.3 - "A Change is Gonna Come", Sam Cooke
Epic - 6.3 - "Space Oddity", David Bowie
Arena - 5.8 - "You Shook Me All Night Long", AC/DC
Trendsetter - 2.3 - "Rapper's Delight", The Sugarhill Gang
Love Song - 7.8 - "Unforgettable" - Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole
One-Hit Wonder - 9.8 - "Mickey", Toni Basil
Party - 4.3 - "(You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party)", Beastie Boys
Crossover - 1.8 - "Walk This Way", Run-D.M.C. feat. Aerosmith
Cover - "I Shot The Sheriff", Eric Clapton
Anti-Establishment - 3.8 - "Killing in the Name", Rage Against the Machine

The band recorded it twice, with different singers. The version you likely know is, technically, a "cover."

I suspect Bucc was going to take "Mickey" as his Epic.

I really enjoy the Goldfinger cover. It's one I considered, but it's one of the many cover songs I love that no one (or very few people) would recognize.

Except that I hate Toni Basil with a passion.

Interestingly (maybe), according to Wiki the term "cover" is technically only for instances where an artists records a song that's currently popular in order to steal sales away from the original (usually lesser known) artist. Apparently it was a common trick in the early days of popular music. I'd never heard that before, and I think 99% percent of the public goes with the broader definition.

I hate when people write this, but it's just too accurate: LOL

Let it go man... we all have ex-girlfriends we wish it had been different with.

Crossover- On The Road Again- Willie Nelson 10.4

Thank You and Goodnight.

My list of covers I put together for this is loaded with this situation. I'd name some because everyone has picked a cover, but there's always the possibility it could spark someone's thoughts in another category. :)

I'm drinking right now, by the way.

I can't wait to see 10.6 :)

dola: probably appropriate for picking your anti-establishment song.

Be interesting to see each song listed by category and in the order they were picked...

Seriously. Get on that, would you?

Classic

1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69
10.5 ntdeacon

I give vtbub the best value pick in that category. Bucc and Maple Leafs made nice picks, too.

Epic - Final

1.4 - Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen - Butter_of_69
2.1 - American Pie, Don McLean - Oilers9911
2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall, Pink Floyd - ntndeacon
2.9 - Baba O'Riley, The Who - Lathum
3.1 - Free Bird, Lynyrd Skynyrd - Subby
3.3 - The End, The Doors - NoMyths
3.7 - Layla, Derek and the Dominoes - vtbub
5.5 - Thriller, Michael Jackson - Maple Leafs
6.3 - Space Oddity, David Bowie - lordscarlet
9.9 - 2112, Rush - Buccaneer

The fifth pick in the draft is a value pick?

I have Butter with the late round steal...

I think Satisfaction was a steal in round two.

Freebird is the hands-down winner here.

Looking back on the three picks I sent in to ML, Stairway was on there and I also had Hey Jude. But seeing later that I had 1.9, those two had gone off but I was very, very glad that it did so Crappy could get Satisfaction in there for me.

Arena - Final

1.7 - Welcome to the Jungle, Guns 'N Roses - Maple Leafs
3.4 - Rock and Roll (Part Two), Gary Glitter - Butter_of_69
3.9 - Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen - Buccaneer
4.8 - Where the Streets Have No Name, U2 - NoMyths
5.8 - You Shook Me All Night Long, AC/DC - lordscarlet
6.1 - Rock and Roll All Night, Kiss - Oilers9911
6.4 - Enter Sandman, Metallica - vtbub
6.5 - Do You Feel Like We Do, Peter Frampton - ntndeacon
6.9 - Iron Man, Black Sabbath - Lathum
8.10 - Mama I'm Coming Home, Ozzy Osbourne - Subby

Esp. considering that it was voted the #1 song on some lists (as well as Stairway).

Butter's pick in the Arena category stands out as being really, really bad.

Not you, sorry, whoever did Lee Greenwood - NoMyths was it?

Trendsetter - Final

1.2 - Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana - Lathum
1.6 - Good Vibrations, The Beach Boys - ntndeacon
2.3 - Rapper's Delight, The Sugarhill Gang - lordscarlet
2.4 - Heartbreak Hotel, Elvis Presley - Maple Leafs
2.6 - Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and The Comets - vtbub
2.8 - Respect, Aretha Franklin - NoMyths
6.2 - Johnny B. Goode, Chuck Berry - Buccaneer
6.10 - Like a Virgin, Madonna - Subby
8.1 - Blitzkrieg Bop, The Ramones - Oilers9911
8.7 - Heart of Glass, Blondie - Butter_of_69

I think Bohemian is more popular among the general population.

I'm thinking 2112 should be up there but that's what I get for paying strict attention to the category.

I think it was a reach for sure. Had it gone in round 7 or later I would have called it inspired.

Let's call all bad or miscategorized picks "reach" instead of "very, very bad", k? ;)

In hindsight, Lathum's trendsetter pick looks pretty decent. You've got to give that category to lordscarlet, though.

Would that have won One-Hit category?

Would the hip hop/rap folks consider Rapper's Delight a trendsetter?

From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music#History


It literally named the genre.

This pick is, by FAR, the most direct trend setter. There's really no argument about it imo.

1979??? I swore that it was later in the 80s. Well, no wonder.

Yes. The Trendsetter category ended up being a bit a trainwreck. Not as bad as Crossover, but if I had it to do over again I would have thought it out better. Generally if the category is poorly defined, knocking it out of the park early is the best way to go.

(Still, I have to ask -- how long did the trend that Nirvana set last? Five years? You're telling me Heartbreak Hotel or Rock Around the Clock didn't have a bigger impact? Really? Why am I writing in all question marks? When did I turn into Bill Simmons?)

As a big time rap fan, the only argument against Rapper's Delight would be that you could argue that it didn't actually set any trends, it was just the first rap song to be mainstream hit. If it had never existed, then another song would have been first -- it didn't actually influence the genre, because the genre had already existed for years. White America just didn't know about it. You could even argue that some of the NWA stuff that came later did more to actually change the direction of rap music.

Still, I think the pick works, especially in comparison to some of the others.

I think some view Nirvana as a more direct trend setter than those. I don't know that I agree, but I think that's the issue.

fwiw, I thought crossover was a trainwreck of a definition.. either it had a poor definition or a poor name.. seems crossover just means that an artist performed in a style they don't normally do or got success in the mainstream in a genre that does not normally where your definition seemed to point to some sort of joint effort.

I thought the epic definition could have been better, but everyone seemed to pick more to what me is an epic than what the definition was.

I thought the trendsetter definition was fine, but that people abused it a little.

Yeah, I think that logic could be used for every trendsetter, ever essentially.

Agreed.

Hope you didn't take offense to that btw... just thinking for the next time..

I think this draft should definitely be done again, even next week if you wanted, or a long time from now - but with 10 new categories.

Well, yes and no. Say what you want about Nirvana, but when they came along suddenly every garage band in North America was copying them. You had bands coming out with albums that sounded completely different than their stuff had in the past. Rapper's Delight didn't really change much of what people were already doing, although it did make it possible for those people to get airtime.

I don't think you understand the grunge movement if this is what you think.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge




A good 5 years before Nevermind was released grunge was being recorded.

Hell, this says Mudhoney was commercially successful before Nirvana, just not as successful..

Oh sure it was. Nirvana didn't invent anything by a long shot.

But when they came along, it seemed like suddenly everyone started doing grunge. You couldn't get away from it. Labels were racing to sign anyone with long hair who mumbled. And that was Nirvana's influence, make no mistake.

Grunge had been around for a while, but Nirvana was the tipping point.

Not surprising that 4 1st rounders were spent here. Eight solid picks, though I'm surprised the Beatles fell to 5. Edge to Subby.

Solid, solid bunch. Maybe Light My Fire for the Doors. Thriller a steal. I like American Pie

Spit it out, who whiffed?

Hendrix.

Aren't we still waiting for deacons?

I actually think that Hendrix pick isn't bad in itself. It was just bad strategerizing.

I think Hendrix would have been a dead lock sinch for Epic, Cover or Arena. He certainly belongs, just not there.

Arena Rocker

1.7- Welcome To The Jungle-G'N'R ML
3.4- Rock and Roll Part 2- Garry Glitter Butter
3.9- Born In The USA- Springsteen Bucc
4.8- Where the Streets Have No Name- U2 NoMyths
5.8- You Shook Me All Night Long- AC/DC lordscarlet
6.1- Rock and Roll All Night- Kiss Oilers9911
6.4- Enter Sandman- Metallica vtbub
6.5- Do You Feel Like I Do- Peter Frampton ntndeacon
6.9- Iron Man- Black Sabbith Lathum
8.10- Mama, I'm Coming Home- Ozzy Subby

Of course, but a trendsetter is not the inventor of something, it's the popularizer of that thing. In fashion, it's not the designer, it's the celebrity who wears it.

I'll be able to make my next pick when it comes up

who is up BTW

deacon, i think

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...&postcount=955

:)

Love Song - Final

4.2 - Imagine, John Lennon - Buccaneer
4.9 - At Last, Etta James - Lathum
5.1 - Lola, The Kinks - Subby
5.7 - My Love, Paul McCartney - vtbub
5.10 - My Heart Will Go On, Celine Dion
6.6 - Unchained Melody, Righteous Brothers - Maple Leafs
6.7 - My Girl, The Temptations - Butter_of_69
7.3 - Can't Get Enough of Your Love Babe, Barry White - NoMyths
7.6 - Baby Love, The Supremes - ntndeacon
7.8 - Unforgettable, Natalie Cole with Nat King Cole - lordscarlet

looking at the love song list I love my pick assuming people recognize the song.

lola kicks ass also

There were 4 songs I considered for this last spot. All of them would be a wonderful addition to this list. However the song I have chosen is now synonomous with that performer. Who else can I pick but Ol' Blues Eyes?

Classic - 10.5-My Way--Frank Sinatra
Epic - 2.5 - Another Brick in the Wall — Pink Floyd
Arena - 6.5-Do You Feel Like We Do--Peter Frampton
Trendsetter - 1.6 - Good Vibrations - Beach Boys
Love Song -7.6 - Baby Love--The Supremes
One-Hit Wonder - 9.6--Tainted Love--Soft Cell
Party - 8.5-Shout--The Isley Brothers
Crossover - 4.5-I Can't Stop Loving You--Ray Charles
Cover - 5.6 - Proud Mary--Ike and Tina Turner
Anti-Establishment -3.6-London Calling--The Clash

nice pick!!

Party Song

4.3 - (You Gotta) Fight for Your Right (to Party), Beastie Boys - lordscarlet
4.6 - 1999, Prince - Maple Leafs
5.4 - Celebration, Kool and the Gang - Butter_of_69
7.1 - O.P.P., Naughty by Nature - Subby
7.2 - One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer, George Thorogood - Lathum
7.10 - Old Time Rock n Roll, Bob Seger - Oilers9911
8.2 - Girls,Girls,Girls, Motley Crue - Buccaneer
8.4 - Louie Louie, The Kingsman - vtbub
8.5 - Shout, The Isley Brothers - ntndeacon
10.8 - NoMyths

Classic - Final

1.1 Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin - Subby
1.3 Like a Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan - NoMyths
1.5 Yesterday - The Beatles - vtbub
1.10 Hotel California - Eagles - Oilers9911
2.2 Satisfaction - The Rolling Stones - Buccaneer
3.2 Foxy Lady- Jimi Hendrix - Lathum
8.3 A Change is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - lordscarlet
8.6 What a Wonderful World - Louis Armstrong - Maple Leafs
9.4 Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John - Butter_of_69
10.5 My Way, Frank Sinatra - ntndeacon

Fixed it.

Cover - Final

4.4 - I Will Always Love You, Whitney Houston - vtbub
4.10 - You Really Got Me, Van Halen - Subby
5.6 - Proud Mary, Ike and Tina Turner - ntndeacon
7.4 - Killing Me Softly, The Fugees - Butter_of_69
7.5 - Burning Down the House, Tom Jones & The Cardigans - Maple Leafs
7.9 - I Love Rock 'N Roll, Joan Jett - Buccaneer
8.9 - A Little Help From My Friends, Joe Cocker - Lathum
9.3 - Nothing Compares 2 U, Sinead O'Connor - NoMyths
10.1 - Sweet Jane, Cowboy Junkies - Oilers9911
10.3 - I Shot the Sheriff, Eric Clapton - lordscarlet

I seriously considered Sinatra but I didn't have a spot to put him after my first 5 picks.

I'm going on song recognition. :)

By the way, never heard of your song or artist for that matter.

ever been to a wedding?