AE, point #11 says that you had a post that sounded suspicious of Barkeep.

Votes through Post #901:

Taz - Ardent (815), Sack (864), Barkeep (884)
KWhit - Penny (862), Hoopsguy (900)
Hoopsguy - Grammaticus (856)
Qwikshot - Cartman (860), mckerney (866), Taz (878), Qwikshot (896), JeeberD (897)

I'm getting frustrated...what does being teflon have to do with it?

I'd vote Jeeber but that would be a wasted vote.

Unvote Qwik; Vote Taz

Somewhat Trusted: Mckerney.

You're only somewhat trusted because the last time I've seen a vote switch like that was Superman in the Harry Potter game (I think). It made me look bad because I voted for Supes twice and kingfc kept mentioning it in his lists. It turns out that Supes had a role that made him easily convertable. His switch to lynch a wolf made him a solid good guy in the eyes of many and so he was never suspected again despite being converted a few days later.

I think my death will help the Jedi more.

UNVOTE QWIKSHOT
VOTE TazFTW

Hoops, to me you just seem a bit 'off'. In the sense that you seem to be doing a lot of conducting but without any real substance to back up any of your suspicions. I mean the big list you gave regarding Barkeep, most of them were complete nothing.

I don't think that Taz's inactivity is much to go on to be honest, as he is always dead quiet in games. The last time I played a game with him, I was part of the push to lynch him based on inactivity and he was a simple villager. And in that game he was even more quiet than here.

Qwik, well I'm still not sure. It would certainly be ballsy for a wolf to put himself out there so much, but then you get into bluffs, double-bluffs and godknows what eles, so it is simple enough to say that if I were a villager I would not be doing/have done what he is doing. That makes him suspicious to me.

Ok. I lied. I have read the thread and I just wanted to see what would happen if I said I haven't. Sort of a Blade-like strategy I guess.

The reason I didn't vote on Day 3 was due to the fact that I was at work.

Since Barkeep seems to be the one and only one to bring my name up more than once since that post he will get my vote.

VOTE BARKEEP

Can everybody STOP VOTING FOR THEMSELVES!! :mad:

Seriously. I think the whole martyrdom loses effect pretty quickly after the first person does it. Two or three in one game makes it hard to take seriously.

Unvote Taz; Vote Jeeber

He's been too quiet...I think he's bad.

Can't help it. It was a tie between me and Qwik and when he switched back to me. I feel my death is more important to the Jedi in finding out the Sith, hence the vote for myself.

It is not against the rules...when it is then I will not do it. Get over it.

I know it's not. I'm only saying how I think the law of diminishing returns applies here. The more it's used, the less effective it becomes with each use within a game.

Not sure about its long-term viability as a strategy, regardless of one's role.

Vote count.

Taz - Ardent (815), Sack (864), Barkeep (884), Taz (905)
KWhit - Penny (862), Hoopsguy (900)
Hoopsguy - Grammaticus (856)
Qwikshot - Cartman (860), mckerney (866), JeeberD (897)
Barkeep - kingfc22 (907)
Jeeber - Qwik (910)

I am currently the lynch vote for myself.

Look this was my line of thinking for voting for myself the first day.

I didnt know who was bad and who was good; I knew I was good but I couldn't prove it to anyone. And rather than have long drawn out discussion over random picking and guesses...I decided to bite the bullet and vote myself. My theory being that this would separate the wolves from the villagers...I surmised most villagers would take the high road while some of the wolves would vote for my demise or at least vote initially then pull off to prevent being implicated. My credability would be lost; therefore I wouldn't be worth killing because I would always be suspect to the villagers and thus a diversion for the wolves.

Day 2 I vote for myself again; I unvote me, but I was probably going back to voting me but I went out on Friday night (I actually have a social life). It was an Oh Sh*t moment because of the death's of three Jedi, I knew I would be suspect number 1. I figured damn the torpedos and vote me again to prove my innocence or at least challenge for my survival...I really thought I would be lynched.

Day 3 I finally vote on the implications against Dubb; The Jedi won out.

Day 4 I have no idea again...but that was my line of thinking before for voting myself.

I have to go and pick my girlfriend up and won't be back until after the lynch vote. Good luck to all and may the force be with you.

Oh and I apologize for being harsh in the above post; Any strategy is a good one, this game isn't just about weeding out the baddies; it's about survival too...I took a gamble.

Do what you will.

To add a little more. I feel my death is more helpful because the wolves always keep me around and sooner or later people revert back to the he's been flying under the radar motive. My death and subsequent reveal of being a Jedi eliminates this.

This is a response to Tanglewoods post (#906). But I would welcome a response from anyone else. If people want to think that I'm putting out accusations without following them, I would like to know where this is coming from.

Day 1 - fairly random vote on Eaglesfan
Day 2 - put forth a strategy to learn about Qwikshot's role, learn info on two other players
Day 3 - speculate on voting patterns, but end up following Dubb's accusation against AE largely because of AEs different play up to the last hour of Day 3
Day 4 - put out more information on voting patterns, cast a vote for one of the two listed candidates

I know that Barkeep has stated this, and I guess I'm not thrilled that this idea seems to be taking hold with the masses. I don't think I'm playing this wishy-washy game that is being portrayed, although obviously I'm not being forceful enough with my opinions to make people follow my vote. Despite having them in earlier than the majority each and every day.

I'm nearly certain that Qwik is a jedi. I'm also feeling that Taz is probably a jedi too. Meaning it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. I feel partially responsible for this since I helped put the spotlight on Taz early. However, I feel confident that Qwik is a jedi while I only think that Taz is a jedi. I also feel a little more trust with the people voting Taz than with the people voting Qwik. So:

Vote Taz

I recall people jumping on ardent earlier for "taking a gamble."

Not sure what to think about that.

Desnudo, if you think they are both Jedi then why not vote KWhit with me? That would make the score 4/4/3 Qwik/Taz/KWhit? Or are you almost as certain that KWhit is a Jedi?

No, it wouldn't. Desnudo's vote gives me a two vote lead. Qwik has 3, I have 5. His switching to KWhit would make it 4/3/3.

I am trying to catch up on the reading since this morning, but I want to make sure that I get a vote cast in case it takes me to long to read it all.

I am still holding my original suspicions of Barkeep, so I will
vote Barkeep

Can someone do a quick summary of the allegations agains KWhit?

Hoops says the 3 dubious voting records are me, KWhit, and AE. Since people think AE is good, it is a choice between me and KWhit.

Taz, you are correct: 4/3/3 and not 4/4/3.

It still puts us in position to make a better play if we don't think you are the Sith. Which he says he doesn't believe. Me? I'm not sure, but my vote stays on KWhit for now and I would like to have it count for something.

Post #849 - 851 is what I posted about voting records and I noted that KWhit has one of the worst.

Post #900 is where I gave my reasons for KWhit over Taz.

Penny gave his in #862. Those are the two votes on him now.

Well that's pretty silly since:

A) I already stated that I would've voted for Lathum on day 1, so I presume that I have a similar dubious voting record

B) We don't know that AE is good/bad yet.

C) Going off just the first three days of votes, especially when we don't have any wolf records to compare them to (I would strongly belive that Dubb in line with previous cultist/cursed roles didn't know who the wolves were) is not all hat worthwhile.

Well, I think that Qwik is probably Jedi, but still acting very strange,, Taz I'm not sure on at all but leaining Jedi, KWhit not sure either. If I HAD to vote one of them I would be leaning towards KWhit purely beacuse he hasn't been that active (compared to Taz who has stepped up since being accused) so I don't have any read at all on him. It would be a complete shot in the dark however, so I wouldn't feel confident on getting a Sith.

Therefore, I will stick with my vote the previous day of Ardent. I think that his earlier actions are still pretty suspicious, plus I think it would help out if we discovered whether he is good/bad (then I suppose the voting records would carry more weight...).

Vote Ardent

However, if there is a tie near the deadline, I will jump to one of the guys tied up to ensure a lynch. But only if I have to.

:rolleyes:

This is a very bizarre run-up to deadline, with a bunch of people in here and no one posting.

I don't know the count, but I doubt my run for Taz is working.

Big props to Brillig for giving me more to work with. Who would of known that searching Gasoline Pricing instead of gas prices would yield so many more results?

Thanks dude.

So a switch by Taz and a late switch by someone else and qwik is gone.

Unvote Taz
Vote Qwikshot

It isn't? I'm going to be lynched.

AE, are you trying to help Taz here? What is the play?

And now Saldana will have to write something else. :p

vote qwikk

in time?

Don't think it is in time and you had to unvote first.

Well damn, there goes my i'll break a tie promise. Teach me to leave the thread for 2 seconds...

Even if, you gotta unvote ardent before you can do that.

actually, looks to me like leaving the thread prevented you CAUSING a tie.

sorry I didn't get in tonight with a vote guys. I had a new office put in my house and just got the new wireless internet device hooked up. won't happen again. my bad.

Pretty sure that AE came off Taz and switched to Qwik causing a 4-4 tie.

Me fail math? Unpossible!

I was leading 5-3. Ardent unvoted me 4-3 and then voted Qwik 4-4. It is a tie.

Anyone have a final vote count?

dola

nevermind

I show the following:

Taz - Sack (864), Barkeep (884), Taz (905), Desnudo (918)
KWhit - Penny (862), Hoopsguy (900)
Hoopsguy - Gram (856)
Qwikshot - Cartman (860), mckerney (866), JeeberD (897), Ardent (934)
Barkeep - King (907), StKelly (922)
Jeeber - Qwikshot (910)
Ardent - Tanglewood (928)

I don't think I've ever seen a game this chaotic before :)

So, uh, how are you guys?

good, and you?

dola - :D

I'm good, I'm good.

Couldn't be better. I love research papers.

that's all you are ever doing is writing a research paper. I dad is in Afganastain right now and all he seems to be doing is writing reports, but not research papers.

oops shoule say my dad is in Afganastain

double dola - ignore my spelling tonight it seems to be very bad for some reason.

should say he's in Afghanistan, or shouldn't say he's in Afganastain? It makes a difference, you know.

This kind of makes me wish I hadn't saved ardent yesterday if it could have avoided all this tomfoolery.

:p :) :p

I wanted to vote for Qwikshot.

Sorry, qwikshot. :(

I wanted to vote for qwikshot.

sorry again my spelling is off tonight, my fingers don't seem to be working for some reason. :) It's Afganistan, near Kabul.

I don't know what came over me just before the deadline.

Vote Taz

Well, I read that situation completely wrong.

Dola,

Hmmm.... no mention of a color for Ardent's lightsaber.

So, uh, how are you guys doing?

So AE is the duke or has some tie-breaking power?

Cartman, the bad news is that you now have the worst voting record in the game with four votes for the dead Jedi Qwik.

We don't know what the tie-breaker was ... possible "first one to get a vote" logic? Or one of the four voters on him could have been weighted.

Vince is right, this game is a bear.

No. I wanted to vote for Qwikshot.

I didn't see anything in that description that indicated that the decision fell solely to Ardent. So that steers me away from thinking Duke.

The last thing I remember is walking to the galley until after the battle was over. I ran into someone, he held up his hand...and then I just remember wanting to vote for Qwikshot.

I'm not the duke. I wanted to vote for Qwikshot.

AE - are you saying a Jedi or Sith used the Force to influence your vote?

I wanted to vote for Qwikshot.

Interesting...

I know I'm voting Taz if I live through the night.

Has anyone else "wanted" to vote for someone before tonight? I would think this would have come up before now if someone was steered in this manner.

I wanted to vote for Qwikshot.

And you didn't? :confused:

I did, just before the deadline. I was on my way to eat. Then I wanted to vote for Qwikshot.

:confused:

:confused: I know how you feel.

Hey guys. Sorry I missed the vote - semi-emergency at work.

Just getting caught up. AE's actions and posts are very very odd. I think they make me believe him to be a Jedi and being manipulated by the Sith. That makes Taz look pretty suspicious in my book, but maybe the Sith are just playing us.

So will I.

Well, then, I know you'll have at least one vote tomorrow.

Clearly Ardent is saying that he was forced by some means to vote for Qwikshot against his actually intention. Either the sith took control of his mind and made him vote against Qwik, or he is a Sith and just making the whole thing up.

Possibilities:

a) Ardent was mind tricked into voting for Qwikshot by the Sith because Taz is a Sith and they wanted to save him.

b) Ardent was mind tricked into voting for Qwikshot by the Sith because they want it to look like Taz is a Sith and get an easy Jedi lynch.

c) Ardent wasn't mind tricked at all and is a Sith making an excuse for saving Taz who is a Sith

d) Ardent wasn't mind tricked at all and is a Sith making an excuse for saving Taz who he wants to appear to be a Sith so we lynch a Jedi.

Any others? At this oint in time I have no idea what the most likely thing that occured is. But we should be wary, if we it was option B and we lynch Taz finding he is a Jedi, we should be careful not to automatically lynch Ardent in return as he may have been an innocent Jedi coerced into this situation. But that's getting ahead of ourselves, and indeed the night action.

I wanted to vote for Qwikshot.

I'm on to you as well, there tanglewood.

It puts Taz in a very suspicious place in my book, but then that may be exactly what the Sith want.

I think tanglewood may have been the guy I ran into. It was likely him or taz.

At this point, Ardent is reminding me of R2D2, when the hologram of Princess Leia kept repeating "Help me Obi-wan, you're my only hope". He keeps repeating that he wanted to vote for Qwikshot, so there has to be something in that.

Do you know who you ran into have a rough idea or are you just completely guessing. Because you certainly didn't run into me at any point at all today or ever during the game.

Ok, if you wanted to vote for Qwikshot who didn't you want to vote for?

I don't beep.

You would certainly like to know, wouldn't you?